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Funny thing, our new women comics are invisible

A new generation of Americans has joined a dynasty of female comedians, but in Britain such fame is elusive. Susie Mesure reports

Laura Solon, 29: One of only two women in three decades to win the Edinburgh Comedy Award, yet still not a household name

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Laura Solon, 29: One of only two women in three decades to win the Edinburgh Comedy Award, yet still not a household name

In the quest for comic equality, they tick every box. They have the wit, the gags, the prime-time shows, the YouTube clips viewed by millions, and yes, they are even female. But for UK comedy fans, there's just one problem. The new crop of comic superstars is American, not British.

The explosive success of performers such as Tina Fey, Sarah Silverman and newcomer Sarah Haskins has exposed the dearth of British comic talent without a Y chromosome. The fact that the BBC have again turned to such doyennes as Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders to help fill its autumn schedules has reignited the debate over why so few women manage to hit the UK comedy jackpot.

While in the US the likes of Fey, who achieved global fame with her impersonations of vice-president wannabe Sarah Palin during last year's presidential campaign, enjoy household recognition, here that success is enjoyed only by an older generation such as French, Saunders and Victoria Wood.

Perceived wisdom likes to blame women for not being funny – there are countless internet threads on the topic, not to mention Christopher Hitchens's withering Vanity Fair polemic "Why Women Aren't Funny" – but US triumphs prove that isn't true. Fey's sitcom 30 Rock, which she writes and stars in, has received 22 Emmy award nominations, while more than 17 million people have watched Silverman's satirical song "I'm fucking Matt Damon" on YouTube.

In Britain, even those women deemed to have cracked the comedy scene, such as Laura Solon, who in 2005 became one of only two women to have won the Edinburgh Comedy Awards (the other was Jenny Eclair in 1995), are relative unknowns compared with, for example, Jack Dee, Lee Mack and Frank Skinner. The two women to have won best newcomer at the awards in the past three years – Josie Long and Sarah Millican – are also very low profile.

The lack of female comics manifests itself on comedy panel shows, which have been criticised by the likes of Wood and Jo Brand as "testosterone-fuelled" zones. Alan Davies, who co-stars with Stephen Fry on the comedy show QI, recently said there just weren't enough funny women around to guest star.

Industry insiders say Britain's problem lies in its stand-up circuit, which is still the main route to comic prominence in this country. Nica Burns, the West End impresario who founded the Comedy Award, formerly the Perrier Awar, nearly three decades ago, said stand-up's competitiveness does not suit women. "They find it tough to be so overtly competitive. It's all rooted in the hunter-gatherer genes." Hannah Chambers, a comedy manager, added:"It's a biological thing. Men are more conditioned to be the joker than women, so more men come through to be comedians."

Burns believes American women do better because they have had routes to comedic success other than the stand-up scene, namely the plethora of US television channels. "American women such as Ellen DeGeneres, Roseanne Barr and Sandra Bernhard came through earlier [than their British equivalents] via TV because there are more channels," she said.

Sarah Haskins, who is tipped as the next Tina Fey, made her name on cable TV with jokes about the patronising way products are marketed to women. She thinks female comics have it easier in the US because "there has always been a good female comedic tradition". That said, she added: "Culturally, women have had less pressure to be publicly funny than men," which has kept the numbers relatively low.

Next month's Edinburgh Fringe festival is certain to refocus attention on the male/female comic divide. But Burns is confident the tide is turning. "Change is slow but it's coming. The playing field is becoming more level all the time as women are welcomed on to bills and audiences stop judging people just because they're female."

And a BBC spokeswoman claimed the autumn listings would "illustrate the corporation's commitment to developing new female comedy talent as well as established writers and actresses". Miranda Hart, Olivia Colman, Debra Stephenson and Emma Fryer will feature alongside French and Saunders, she added.

Funny Women

Phyllis Diller, 92

One of the pioneers of US stand-up, she retired from the circuit only seven years ago

Victoria Wood, 56

A relative spring chicken compared with Diller, she still flies the flag for older, funny British females

Tina Fey, 39

US comic sensation, thanks to her send-up of Sarah Palin last year and her Emmy-winning sitcom, '30 Rock'

Catherine Tate, 41

Tate walks a lonely path in Britain when it comes to big name funny women

Sarah Haskins, 29

The Current TV star is tipped as the next Fey for her satirical take on women-focused advertisements

Laura Solon, 29

One of only two women in three decades to win the Edinburgh Comedy Award, yet still not a household name

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Not as funny
[info]santinox wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:50 am (UTC)
In my opinion women are not as funny as men. Sorry. But none of the women I have known in my life has made me seriously laugh intentionally, they have made me laugh saying bizarre comments and with inadvertent f/ups but not with a joke or funny story. Whereas most of my male friends crack me up both intentionally and unintentionally. I think women can be equally as intelligent, equally as insightful and as good as men in almost all fields aaprt from comedy and p*ssing standing up.
All You Really Need is French!
[info]danemodsandy wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
If a Yank can comment, you lot don't need any new women comics, at least not for now. What you need to do is to keep Dawn French in new programmes. She is the funniest woman alive, heaps better than Fey or Silverman, and I for one find her relative absence from television today a bigger mystery than the continued employment of Terry Wogan.
I remember
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 06:07 am (UTC)
the late, great Lucille Ball.
Strange phenomenon
[info]xokatyxo wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC)
I've always found the perennial lack of female stand-up stars to be a bizarre phenomenon as all the funniest people I know are female. But then I also find most successful comedians (who are mostly male) about as funny as fecal incontinence. I'm sure most of the worlds funniest people aren't professional comedians.. after all, to be professional at anything is to take it (at least vaguely) seriously and, really, where's the fun in that?
Women comedians
[info]pittkethley wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:04 am (UTC)
Not as well-known yet but a woman I was at Art School with, Lorraine Molins, has a lot of comic talent and has done the Edinburgh Festival
women comedians
[info]daismallcoal wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
Like many men ( I think) I welcome women with a good sense of humour -and women comedians .
But , think about the last time you were in a mixed group in a pub.

It's generally the 'boys' who want to be amusing / entertaining - even if they're not that good, and most girls are happy to laugh and be entertained.

It's still social conditioning , a girl who is overtly funny feels 'exposed' and risks being seen as 'pushy' , noisy and full of herself or too clever.

Here's hoping things will change

Dai, Wales
comics
[info]unkuttdiamond1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
because they do not give new comics a chance!!!!!

for instance see:

http://www.comedychamp.co.uk/show/who%2Dis%2Dshe%3F/B58A0774/



now she is talent and different but "who is she"
comedy
[info]unkuttdiamond1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:29 am (UTC)
comedy
[info]unkuttdiamond1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
she is so funny those who know her will look and know who she is:


http://www.comedychamp.co.uk/show/that%2Dbastard/BF0E4C4A/
Blame GOD (and female BBC executives)
[info]kaptainkitten wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 10:35 am (UTC)
Women will laugh at men.

Men will laugh at men.

Men will tend not to laugh at women, unless they are really really good.


So, if you are looking for cheap 'n easy ratings male comics are the thing, especially stand-up types rather than character-types which might alienate some viewers.

Witness the number of low-risk panel shows around at the moment.




our new women comics are invisible
[info]fulkehunke wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 07:48 pm (UTC)
Shappi Khorsandi was really good recently on TV.
(no subject) - [info]iq_tests - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 05:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Funny Women are not invisible
[info]lynneparker wrote:
Tuesday, 21 July 2009 at 12:21 pm (UTC)
I have been running the Funny Women Awards now for seven years and I strongly empathise and support the contributors to this article. It's easy to feel 'invisible' when there are a number of us working very hard to raise the profile of women in comedy and there is no recognition for some of the brilliant British female comedy acts coming through today.

We have over 200 entries registered for this year's competition which is currently running throughout the festival season. We had over 250 women enter last year. We are still welcoming entrants and we will have our final in September. The female comedy spirit is willing and there are lots of fabulous new female comics coming through the Funny Women Awards again this year.

Despite a difficult year commercially which has made getting sponsorship difficult and putting on shows more risky, we are on the road and getting out there. The ethos of Funny Women is to provide stage time for these new female acts to peform without the pressure of being compared to male acts - it's not a sexist thing. We create a level playing field and see a huge variety of acts and peformances, so much so that it doesn't even matter that they are all women. Funny is funny whatever your gender.

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