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Nigsy? Trigger? N-word dilemma bounces on for Dam Busters II

Name of Wing Commander's dog is headache for remake's producers

By Kathy Marks in Sydney

Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC with members of his squadron, whom he led on the 'dambusters' raid on the Mohne and Eder dams

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Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC with members of his squadron, whom he led on the 'dambusters' raid on the Mohne and Eder dams

A full-scale model of a Lancaster bomber has already been built, as has a replica of the famous bouncing bomb. But producers of a remake of The Dam Busters have yet to resolve one question: what on earth are they to do about a dog called Nigger?

The anachronistically-named black Labrador was the faithful companion of RAF Wing Commander Guy Gibson, who led the British mission to destroy German dams in 1943. The dog is central to the plot: not only was he the mascot of Gibson's 617 Squadron, but after he was killed in a car accident, his name became a codeword for the bombers' prime target.

While the name was still acceptable when the original movie was made in 1954, that is no longer the case. So the film-makers, who include New Zealander Peter Jackson, director of the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, are faced with an unenviable choice: ditch historical accuracy or risk widespread offence.

The executive producer, Sir David Frost, asked the actor Stephen Fry, who is writing the script, to propose alternative names, but rejected his suggestions. Sir David declared last month: "Guy sometimes used to call his dog Nigsy, so I think that's what we will call it. Stephen has been coming up with other names, but this is the one I want."

This week, however, Jackson denied that a decision had been made. His assistant, Matthew Dravitzki, told New Zealand's Dominion Post: "To stay true to the story, you can't just change it [the name]. We have not made any decisions yet. The script is still being written, and that decision ? will be made closer to the time."

Nigger featured in Paul Brickhill's 1951 book, The Dam Busters, which inspired the film. He also rated 12 mentions in the original movie.

Shooting of the £26m remake is expected to begin later this year, although the cast has yet to be revealed. Jackson, the producer, whetted appetites this week when he unveiled a Lancaster replica in Masterton, north of Wellington.

When the project was announced in 2006, Jackson acknowledged the canine-related difficulties. "It's a situation where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't," he said. "If you go one way, people are going to say we've sold out to political correctness. If you go the other way, you're obviously going to be inadvertently offending people. So it's a no-win scenario."

In 2001 ITV was criticised for editing out all mentions of Nigger's name when it screened the original film. Index on Censorship called the move "unnecessary and ridiculous", while viewers complained that key sections had been omitted. In the US, the film has been screened with the dialogue dubbed to rename the dog Trigger.

Jackson has said that he wants to be faithful to the book and 1954 film. His version, he pledged, would be "as authentic as possible and as close to the spirit of the original as possible".

The Dam Buster raid was one of the RAF's boldest wartime missions, and the remake – to be directed by New Zealand's Christian Rivers – will use details that were still classified in the 1950s. Shooting is expected to take place near Wellington and in Britain.

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HISTORY IS HISTORY
[info]potwalloper wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 05:04 pm (UTC)
Can't rewrite history I'm afraid and we need to stop sh*tting ourselves every time a non-PC word comes up. It has become a dangerous world when we begin to apply reverse censorship to the words and names used throughout history for fear of offending someone.

The dog was not called Trigger, Nigsy, Trigsy, Piggsy, Bigger, Pigger, Digger or Figger no matter how much we may want it to have been. The dog's name was Nigger. Socially unacceptable though that may be now, and offensive though it will be for some, it is a word that was, like it or not, in common parlance at the time.

Shame that what is a fantastic story of courage and heroism should be overshadowed by such a debate.

FFS!
[info]chrisp666 wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 05:49 pm (UTC)
Anyone likely to be upset by the word 'Nigger' used in a decidedly non-racist context has serious problems with coping. We have to stop this PC stupidity.
[info]duncanps wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 05:53 pm (UTC)
Why remake it at all? The Dambusters is a wonderful film, famous for its thrilling score, its understated acting and its technical detail, it illustrates war and heroism, it does not celebrate them.

If Jackson does for it what he did for King Kong we will be left with a very long, boring technical marvel that creaks along because it belongs to a bygone time. Remakes are lazy, make something original and contemporary.

Nowadays there's so much PCness no doubt all the accents will be regional and with a New Zealander making it, we will likely see the British potrayed as stuck up and useless and other nationalities getting the credit or since it's PC, the blame. We'll see endless German civilians dying with no background on their revolting support for Hitler and genocide.

Nigger was a common name for black dogs in the 40's, my Mum's next door neighbour's dog was called Nigger, it means quite literally black and in the UK it did not carry connotations of racism or reference to black people of whom there were very few in most of the country. Clearly, he was a much loved dog and the name was bestowed with affection. I detest the ITV edit of this film, they spent 3 seconds editing it incompetently, morons. ITV is a third rate channel with no idea about how to present movies. Why bother at all to show a botched version of the film? They lavish editing on Britain's Got Talent, shame they have little editorial talent of their own.
[info]temporal7 wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 07:08 pm (UTC)
Yep, the original was and is great, but, like the above people I hope all this over-rush of PC'ness is quelled. But, hey, lets not get too cynical about the outcome of the film - it would be great to watch something of recent release that did not carry the ridiculous tongue in cheek boring vacuity (supposed to be clever and ironic) of that Australian thing starring (?) Nicole Kidman.

I tend to watch films twice (in quick succession, once without any real knowledge of the actors speech - hearing impairment - and second time to go with the sub-titles, interestingly my original hunch of whether a film is worth it or not still stands after undergoing the sub-titles run. So in both senses let the word BE.

What - [info]drlottjr - Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 01:26 am (UTC) Expand
Surely most reasonable peopel would understand.
[info]arhoolie wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:09 pm (UTC)
Calling a dog that now would be offensive but it wasn't back thought to be back then. Surely most reasonable people would view the film in that light. They might even include a message in the credits that the dog's name reflects the mores of the time and is not intended to give offence.

Context is all.
Re: Surely most reasonable peopel would understand.
[info]the_grey_wizard wrote:
Monday, 11 May 2009 at 02:56 am (UTC)
It was offenseve back then: to black people. And the people that used that word knew it... that's why they used it.
pathetic
[info]llienomot wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:12 pm (UTC)
Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
N word in movies
[info]hpicot wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:20 pm (UTC)
The movie "Brian's Song" used the N word, when Brian was trying to make Gale Sayers laugh at the wrong time, he said, "We are thinking about naming our child after you. "N. Piccalo". It would seem that the audience can decide if the meaning is racist.
Hollywood does enough rewriting of history
[info]voodoojedizin wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:20 pm (UTC)

These were brave men who put their lives at risk for the good of all black or white. And what I understand the name really has no real connection to the racist term.

But even if it did it should still be used and not rewritten out of history.
How silly!
[info]flydlebee wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:21 pm (UTC)
Surely we are grown-up enough now to realise that the usage of this word refers to a dog's name and is not intended perjoratively. There may be objections form the usual silly people, but they will only display their own stupidity.
Dam Dog
[info]pondmanjoe wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:45 pm (UTC)
My suggestion for the Producers is to watch The Wire(HBO).
Nigger Motherfucker and Nigger seem more than OK.
Grow up
[info]brainbiter wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:45 pm (UTC)
Kathy Marks avoids asterisks. She writes the word in full yet the headline refers to it coyly as 'the N word'. It's only a problem for self-hating whites. Niggers use it all the time.
dambusters
[info]johnleconqueror wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 06:57 pm (UTC)
The dambusters mission was an abject failure. The entire story is victor's propaganda. The Germans view it as a war crime. Well. they committed tons more than their share, but it has to be said that's how they see it. The idea was that by breaching the Ruhr dams the region's coal mines and associated industries would be flooded out of existence. The sad truth is that there is a bend in the river which the tidal wave didn't take, it just swept across the plain and drowned several towns and villages killing thousands of sleeping senior citizens, women and children in their beds. The industries remained untouched and unaffected, but civilians were slaughtered. It was a simple mistake, not realising that water, a force of nature, didn't have steering.
Dog'sName in the Remake of The Dam Busters
[info]jasper2001 wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 07:27 pm (UTC)
If the dog was called Nigger then that is what he should be called in the new film. This is a perfect example the pathetic attitude of 'do gooders' wanting to be seen to be doing the right thing. What about the potential insult to the late, great Guy Gibson and his family that changing the dog's name could be; does that not matter? Changing the dog's name would be as stupid as an American Robin Hood or Dick Van Dyke's Cockney accent in Mary Poppins; look what comments those situations achieved.
[info]aea48 wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 07:37 pm (UTC)
Say it. Say both. Or don't make it. Truth is truth.

About twenty years ago I was in a play that called for a "freedom fighter" (won't go on about the who-what-when-where-why:but it was about a noble, though lost, cause). Script called for a young hero (white) to use the word "nigger," a word in common parlance in the period of the drama but a definite no-no in the late 20th century USA. We actors were thoroughly dismayed. Long debate about what to do. Asked several black friends what they thought. Unanimous response, best expressed by a very pro-active, savvy friend originally from an inner city once torn apart by race riots. His unhesitating reply: "Say it." Why? "Because the audience is going to gag, and that's exactly what you want. You need to show them the irony of a 'freedom fighter' having a huge blind spot--the guy is a hero in one place, but accepts slavery in another. See?" So we gulped and went ahead. Every single night, the audience gasped. And every single night, half a beat later, they got the point. Absolutely no one who saw the play thought of us, the production team, as racists. But they really got that we have all inherited racism, no matter how "benign" its manifestations. And that's worth remembering. It's a lesson I haven't forgotten.

But serious as it is, racism is not the heart of this story. Not even close. It's the mission. It's the Dambusters. And it's going to be tough to out-do the original, de-classified info notwithstanding. The immediate post-war actors had real memories of the war, and their personal verisimilitude is impossible to replicate--odd RP speech patterns, B&W film, casual slouching toward a tea mug while chewing a cigarette--impossible to do again. I watched that film again and again as a teen--and in the 60's, the N-word was not exactly polite where I came from. But the dog is not what I remember: it's the dams. ...And the development of the sight; the challenges of low-level flying; the flak; the destruction, not of factories, but of villages; the empty rooms that before one dawn saw young men roll out of iron beds and by the next stood empty while a "personal effect"--a travel clock--ticked. I was a post-war baby--born almost to the day five years after Roosevelt's death. I remember hearing still-young men talk, heard the stories: quiet voices with soft understatement barely hiding the longing for the ones who never came home. In 1954, when the original was made, the wounds were still raw. N-word or no, it's not about a dog. And if that's what it's going to turn into, don't make it.
[info]vgnwtch wrote:
Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 09:34 pm (UTC)
Thank goodness for someone who can understand the point and articulate it clearly instead of jerking their knees around and banging on about how dreadful political correctness is. It's such a relief.
PC
[info]gwilymr_j wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 07:51 pm (UTC)
Suggestions:
White trash
Honky
Darkie
DON'T ban smoking in the remake!
[info]red_planet92 wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 08:00 pm (UTC)
I don't actually have a problem over the name; I could live with Trigger or Nigsie or anything else as it does not seem particularly intrinsic to the character or the story. What would upset me is if smoking and cigarettes are removed (as I expect will happen). The smoking is not just historically accurate, it also helps show the boredom, nervousness and camaraderie the characters were experiencing. Please DON'T ban the smoking!
Re: DON'T ban smoking in the remake!
[info]miggihendrix wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 08:54 pm (UTC)
Don't worry , Peter Jackson didn't stop the hobbits, wizards and Viggo Mortensen smoking in Lord Of The Rings.
Re: DON'T ban smoking in the remake! - [info]tominlondon - Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Word Crime
[info]crazations wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 08:08 pm (UTC)
I reserve the right to use any word from any language at any time, or even make up new words if I want - and if anybody has a problem with any word I use - then it is their problem - not mine.

Political Correctness gives me crazations! - what right does anyone have to be offended on behalf of someone else!

Neil, of the Kerslake family,
Freeman-on-the-Land at Common Law.
Re: Dam Busters Remake
[info]jeff_perren wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 08:23 pm (UTC)
I'm completely indifferent to what they call the dog. But I am concerned about modern filmmakers remaking one of the best films in cinematic history. They might easily 'humanize' the heroes that carried out one of the most difficult missions of the war, thanks in no small part to the guiding genius who engineered the technology to do it, and worked for years to get the British government to adopt it.

Not least of their problems is how to cast Michael Redgraves part. Genius actors are hard to come by these days.
dam busters.
[info]shirleyrose wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 08:14 pm (UTC)
keep to the true story. call the dog by its proper name. This happened during the war. The dog was black. IIt is written in history
Guy would turn in his grave.
[info]black_gordon wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 08:49 pm (UTC)
I was on 617 in the middle 80's, one of our radio call signs was changed from "Nigger" to "Black Dog" I could understand this as times move on and things change. However I assume the re-make will still be set in 1943! Nigger was acceptable then and for the sake of realism should be acceptable in a film of the time. Was this what it was all for, so that 66 years later we would be frightened to call Nigger - Nigger?
Re: Guy would turn in his grave.
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:55 pm (UTC)
well, how about "Wanker" then.
Dam Busters II
[info]susancday wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 09:56 pm (UTC)
No movie is 100% historically accurate. Even documentaries are distorted by the editorial decisions that must be made to conform to the finished product's time limits and to retain audience interest. Movies are even more so -- ask anyone who really lived through an event. Artistic license is part of the process. Therefore, I see no reason not to rename the dog. Retaining the dog's original name distorts the film today. Focus would be on that name and not on the bold mission being celebrated. I would think it could be written without the dog's name even being mentioned and not detract from the dog's importance. It is not as if to do so would distort history. It's effect would not be to erase the place of bigotry in history, but to recognize that perhaps we are improving.
[info]davy01 wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:12 pm (UTC)
Well, we know how the Americans rewrote history for the film about the Enigma machine capture, i.e. making all them all American, so why don't they go just that one step further and make them all black americans then there's no problem.
Easy
[info]adthelad wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:20 pm (UTC)
What's wrong with 'Blacky' - doesn't have the same connotations and still carries the real character and meaning of the original name.
[info]trappermcintyre wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:30 pm (UTC)
I hope the powerful ending showing all the empty places, and rooms (which had been set up beautifully earlier in the film) remains in the remake. It really brings home the toll on the crews and is one of my favourite parts of the original.
Its just a dog!
[info]badalandabad wrote:
Wednesday, 6 May 2009 at 10:44 pm (UTC)
Who cares? God sake, its only a dog. If Guy Gibson called his pet "Nigger" some 60 years ago so be it. I am sure a lot of guys called "Adolf" haven't thought of changing their name yet! After all, this is a nation where we taxpayers still pay for the pornography watched by our government ministers. This PC has gone crazy to the point of insanity. If such a trivial matter has to come in between a noble intention of honouring a great British classic and celebrating one of our nation's greatest hero and his heroics, it is nothing short of ridiculousness.

Oh yes, I am not white either.
Re: Its just a dog!
[info]red_planet92 wrote:
Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 02:12 pm (UTC)
As I've said, I don't think what the dog is called is a big issue (I just don't want the smoking banned!).

I do think that we can take minor liberties with historical accuracy if to do otherwise might mislead a modern audience though.

Consider a film version of Jane Austen's 'Emma'. Strictly speaking, given the state of dentistry in Regency England, Emma should be presented as having very poor dental work. Yet, it is essential that a modern audience understand that she is handsome and without a rival in beauty (until Jane Fairfax comes along) within the small world she grows up in.

Likewise it is arguable that a new audience might think that Guy Gibson calling his pet "Nigger" was making some sort of big statement; which was never intended at the time.
Re: Its just a dog! - [info]terry_hamblin - Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 09:42 am (UTC) Expand
This myth of political correctness
[info]faisalaqureshi wrote:
Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 07:27 am (UTC)
How many major war films have been made that recognised the the sacrifices that were made by soldiers of colour or from the former British colonies of India, Nepal, etc? Off the top of my head, I can think of only one, 633 Squadron, which had a Sikh pilot. And he was played by a darkened up white actor.

The fictionalisation and ethnic cleansing of the WW2 conflict in cinema has gone on for years but no one raised any protests concerning this matter. You will barely find any Indian soldiers in any film about WW1 or 2 and if they are there, they usually don't have any significant part (and yet I counted more than fifteen WW2 Victoria Cross recipients from India alone).

So this whole debate about the historical accuracy of calling a dog, "Nigger", is just a farce. Yes the word may have been acceptable in the period it was set in and yes, it may have been intended with no malice but it was an offensive word to someone of colour then and still is now.

Most of those protesting have probably never been the recipient of it. It might be OK for one of the readers protesting its exclusion to be comfortable with character's uttering it on screen but myself and many of my colleagues would certainly not be.

Given that nearly all historical biopics do change and compress events/times/characters for a film, why this one detail is suddenly more important "historical fact" than crediting all the people involved in the actual Dambuster mission shows a lack of knowledge of the film production process.

The other reason is purely pragmatic. Sure, keep to the historical truth of keeping the dog's name as "Nigger" but then let's see how the film plays in the US. Every film has to make a return on it's investment and the US is the biggest English language territory. I don't think any film that naively uses the "N-word" in this context is ever gonna survive a week in a suburban multiplex. If there's a premiere screening, which celebrity is actually going to attend and then risk being drilled about the dog name's on the red carpet?

Whine on about keeping the word in and about this myth of overwhelming political correctness but I bet most of those complaining would be happily comfortable with the rest of the film's simplification of the historical record to tell a darn-too good to be true but it was- yarn.

Faisal A. Qureshi
www.ukscreen.com/crew/faq
Re: This myth of political correctness
[info]lima_charlie wrote:
Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 11:03 am (UTC)
Aaah, finally a response worth reading. While the first part of your post certainly gives some interesting food for thought (and a film acknowledging their contributions would be one I'd be happy to watch) this also (rather surprisingly) is one of the few responses to acknowledge that film is an industry which generally produces a mass-market product. Having invested millions of dollars who would be so foolish as to risk offending potentially large sections of the audience over the name of a dog?

They're not talking about changing the names of pilots or Barnes Wallis or the squadron etc. It's a dog. I'll say it again as most people seem to have been ranting on as if it was Guy Gibson whose name was being changed - it's not, it's a dog. To try and use this as an opportunity to gripe about an overly PC world seems disingenuous or foolish indeed...
Re: This myth of political correctness - [info]shegelu - Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 12:05 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]frank_brady wrote:
Thursday, 7 May 2009 at 09:18 am (UTC)
If the audience are going to bump on a word, and they are, then you take it out. It's simple craft.
Nigger should stay in
[info]davidcl1 wrote:
Saturday, 30 May 2009 at 10:47 pm (UTC)
Nigger The Lab should keep his name in the new film
it would not be right to call him something other than NIGGER
The guy's of 617 giver there live's for us all
the code name for one of the dams breaching was NIGGER too so you going to change that too
Guy Gibson V.C would turn in his grave if he know that his dogs name was removed from the film just coz of his name
I think it is about time this PC shit was stoped its all bull shit
to meany do gooders and they are corsing more harm than good
So NIGGER should stay in the film
my family had a black Lab called NIGGER too
the dog is part of the film too let him keep his name

DAVID L from oxfordshire
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