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Abortion clinics to advertise on television

Watchdog changes rules in bid to stem rising tide of teenage pregnancies

By Martin Hickman, Consumer Affairs Correspondent


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Television ads for abortions will be allowed for the first time under the biggest shake-up of advertising rules for 50 years to be announced today.

In a move which the advertising watchdog acknowledges will offend members of the public, ads for pregnancy advisory services will be allowed in prime-time evening slots on the major channels: ITV, Channel 4, Sky and other broadcasters.

Britain's biggest independent pregnancy advisory service, whose clinicians perform abortions as well, said it would immediately consider running ads. "Absolutely," said Julie Douglas, who is head of marketing at Marie Stopes International. "I don't know if we could afford to do it in prime-time TV, but it would be a very interesting thing to do."

The rule changes coincide with new government efforts to reduce the number of teenage pregnancies in Britain which, at 42 per 1,000 under-18s, has the highest rate in Europe.

Advisory services will be allowed to reach out to viewers of soap operas, documentaries and films. Clinics which do not offer abortions will have to make the point clear to viewers to avoid any confusion.

Pro-life groups have accused the advertising watchdog of showing "bias" against anti-abortion campaigners in proposing the changes which, they said, would increase the number of abortions. "It will mean that abortion is promoted as a solution to women's problems," said John Smeaton, the national director of the Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child.

The Broadcasting Committee on Advertising Practice (BCAP), which covers TV and radio, and the Committee on Advertising Practice (CAP), which controls other media such as newspapers, magazines and billboards, have proposed the shake-up after spending 18 months reviewing 2,500 rules and regulations and more than 400 pieces of legislation.

Among their other proposals, condoms will be allowed to be advertised on all channels during prime-time and traditional medicine promoters will be allowed to advertise, making possible advertising for Prince Charles' Duchy Originals brand, which sells St John's Wort and other herbal products.

Rules will be tightened on environmental claims and on the advertising of computer games to children. A 12-week consultation will be held on the changes. If approved, they will come into force next year.

The Television Code does not deal specifically with family planning centres but they are indirectly banned from advertising through a prohibition on commercial services offering individual advice on personal problems.

Acknowledging potential public disquiet, the watchdog said: "BCAP considers that members of the audience who might be seriously offended by the nature of the advertised services are afforded adequate protection under rules that guard against offence and ensure that advertisements are suitably and sensitively scheduled."

A spokesman for the Advertising Standards Authority, which is overseeing the consultation, said: "The proposed rule on pregnancy advisory services would, in theory, allow abortion clinics to advertise.

"However, as this service is normally accessed via a referral from a GP or hospital, it is unlikely that we are going to start seeing ads for them."

Marie Stopes International, however, was enthusiastic about the idea. "We have often thought about it and we would do it extremely sensitively and informatively rather than just plugging our organisation," said Ms Douglas. The service advertises in the Yellow Pages but receives most of its work through internet search engines.

The Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child accused the ASA of not allowing a "level playing field". "We survive on a shoestring. We cannot afford to advertise," said Mr Smeaton.

Andrew Brown, chairman of CAP and BCAP, said: "The UK advertising codes are widely recognised for setting a high bar for social responsibility. Our priority is to ensure that the rules remain relevant for the future so consumers can continue to enjoy and trust the ads they see... We sought the views of industry and policy-makers and now we want to hear from all other interested parties, including the people that matter the most in advertising, the general public." The consultation closes on 19 June.

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NHS privatisation?
[info]gibsonsway wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 04:01 am (UTC)
This is going to be interesting but yet another reason I left the NHS. What an intolerable nightmare this government continues to create for GPs. Choice is one thing but advertisements to address the social mess the UK has become is another. Yet another reason I left the UK!
NHS privatisation?
[info]gibsonsway wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 04:16 am (UTC)
Oh, and another thing, what policies are in place to lower the pregnancy rate in these vulnerable individuals? (I know, where would you start such is the chaos society has become in the UK?). Then to target them with adverts, what a dysfunctional place you have become.

Kids need role models but the media is such that the winner of this summer's Big Brother is as good a candidate as any. As for the fear-mongering government, their recent immoral rewarding of failure and deep rooted unfairness highlights the fundamental problem.

What evidence is there for this 'after the horse has bolted' (no pun intended) policy?

Why did I leave the NHS? Why did I leave the UK?
Oh yeah.
Re: NHS privatisation?
[info]joffa42 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:38 am (UTC)
Sorry - what does either the article or your post have to do with NHS privatisation ?
Abortion advertising
[info]marekc wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 05:50 am (UTC)
This is yet another sign of calling evil good. Let's advertise killing unborn children on TV to show our "social responsibility"! What a mess this government has got into by rejecting the Bible as the guidepost for moral decisions.
Re: Abortion advertising
[info]koopaman wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC)
That's a pretty ridiculous statement to make.

You use the terminology 'unborn children' even though the stage at which the majority of abortions are carried out, the foetuses involved do not resemble children in any way. In fact a report by the british medical journal in 2006 concluded that they cannot feel pain because that is a process which requires mental development outside of the womb.

Abortion is not a choice that can be taken lightly, and is mostly the result of a long thought out decision by the woman involved. However I believe that if the adverts raise awareness in an appropriate manner then I back the decision.

Reading the article though (which some commentators here seem not to have done), it states clearly that it is unlikely abortion clinics will use the decision to advertise. In fact only one spokesperson from Marie Stopes International mooted the idea of advertising and she then remarked if it would be done, it would be "extremely sensitive".

Oh, and one more thing @marekc. You claim that the "government has got us into [a mess] by rejecting the bible as the guidepost for moral decisions". Would this be the same bible that advocates genocide, rape, capital punishment for those working on sundays and infanticide?

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UnbeLIVEable
[info]jimliverpool wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 06:01 am (UTC)
Once again, an example of the dysfunctional society in which we live; we promote selfishness and bemoan waste. Of life? Only if it affects 'us' or 'me'. We value life only when we see it as a possession, not objectively. We will sanisitise the violence of abortion in the name of 'saving the planet'. I shudder to think just what kind of double speak will be used to desensitise the 'procedure'.

It is still considered 'offensive' or 'insensitive' to show the pro life views held by many, on tv, with only one documentary in recent years - probably ever - revealing just what is involved in abortion; yet now it is considered a good think to promote it amongst our vulnerable youth.

I trust the long term effects on women have been considered in this rush to 'save the planet'. Save Our Souls, i say
Re: UnbeLIVEable
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:53 pm (UTC)
The concept of a "soul" is a rather recent invention. If you are a Christian or Jew study the Old Testament, for before the time of the Maccabees, it was commonly held that when a person died that individual passed into pitch blackness--not a garden paradise (Eden) or a more recent invention--a hell.
Re: UnbeLIVEable - [info]jacintamaria - Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC) Expand
teenage pregnancy not an evil; prejudice and punitiveness are
[info]dhammadinna_9 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
It's sick the way teenage pregnancy is routinely listed among all the evils of our time, equated with crime, drug addiction, terrorism, etc.

These are young biological adults, and only our necessarily prolonged educational requirements have assigned them the status of children. To call them 'immature' is just a vague expression of disapproval.

If it's thought practicable for older single mothers to go out to work, why is it not practicable for young single mothers to continue their education? Money would be much better spent on child care for this purpose than on abortions, discouragement campaigns, social worker 'intervention', or the Dickensian institutions that have been proposed.

It seems that teenage mothers represent the third stage of puritanism. First there was disapproval of all sex outside marriage. That's a thing of the past, what with Cosmo-type soft porn readily available and even the Independent advertising the '10 best sex toys'. Then it was disapproval only of 'unwed mothers' of all ages. Fortunately, that has largely gone also, with only right-wing commentators still using the term 'illegitimacy'.

But the bigotry had to go somewhere, didn't it, so now it's only the teenage, mostly if not all unmarried, mothers who are in the firing line.

Have these politicians and journalists no heart? Well, the answer is clear as regards the politicians. But can the journalists not stop to think of what it must be like to have a child that you love and are working hard to care for, and to be repeatedly told that that child shouldn't have been born, that your love and work are worthless, and that you yourself are an enemy of society?

Society is changing. Women of all ages no longer regard marriage as essential to child-raising. Economic adjustments, other than welfare payments, could easily be made if it weren't for prejudice.

But it's easier to demonize young mothers and to promote abortions.

Re: teenage pregnancy not an evil; prejudice and punitiveness are
[info]northernsaddler wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 01:20 pm (UTC)
Are you for real? Do you really think that 14 year old girls having children is a good idea? As for the adverts, surely we shoudl be helping children to avoid getting pregnant in the first place rather than this?
There is disconnection between "teenage pregnancies" - [info]cronyblatcher - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 06:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: There is disconnection between "teenage pregnancies" - [info]arthur_ide - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:58 pm (UTC) Expand
Our government is incentivising pregnancy
[info]berserkerboy wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:33 am (UTC)
With a council house and income support this is the best life a lot of young women see for themselves.
When I worked in an ebd school this was the aim of most of the girls. The cycle is self sustaining as the majority of the kids had single parents with problem backgrounds. We need to remove this incentive. Basic needs should be met; shelter and food. But not so much as to make a life on benefits mean you are better off than others trying to work for a living. The dash to get pregnant would be averted and the number of terminations reduced accordingly.
Re: Our government is incentivising pregnancy
[info]northernsaddler wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC)
Couldn't agree more - my wife works at an inner city school and has a 16 year old in her class expecting her 2nd child. She, and many others over the years, has no intention of working when she leaves school and just 'wanted somebody to love'. Needless to say, her mother is now a grandmother in her early 30s adn the problem continues...
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Baked Beans
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 07:40 am (UTC)
A man or woman will appear on a 30 second slot, will be engaging, pleasant, authoritative, perhaps wear a white coat and tell every one in the most credible way possible that you can take the live of an unborn baby just like visiting Vision Express or having a boob enhancement.

It won't take long, latest procedures make it painless and for this week only it's half price with 10% of your next visit. If you can't afford it you don't have to pay till next March, interest free.

Then after they find the advertising campaign is so successful (they usually are, aren't they?) they will open clinics in all major shopping complexes and maybe a drop-in centre at Asda or Tesco, so you can have it done while shopping for your baked beans.

A woman's right to choose, yes, but you know what I mean ?
Re: Baked Beans
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:02 pm (UTC)
While you are attempting humor, your argument has merit. There really should be an abortion clinic and provider in every shopping center so that the woman who does not want fetal tissue growing inside of her body can be rid of it quickly and get back to living a normal life.
It's only a book.
[info]rojaws wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
Would this be the same bible that advocates genocide, rape, capital punishment for those working on sundays and infanticide? koopaman wrote:

There are many parts to the 'Holy' Bible, each & every one a 'flag of convenience'.

I must admit that I find advertising abortion clinics distasteful but I also find it distasteful that an advocate of an outmoded & discredited theological belief should use it as, what almost amounts to, a political platform.
As koopaman rightly implies, supporters of the Bible have no right whatsoever to adopt a moral high ground.
Christendom has a lot to answer for.
If in doubt, Sabbatini's 'Torquemada & the Spanish Inquisition' makes excellent reading.
Apparently there was none more pious & aesthetic than 'Frey Thomaso'!
Up yours Nadine Dorries
[info]simon_gardner wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
What's oh so enormously satisfying about the 'abortion clinics to do TV adverts' is that it will get so very far up the nose of the ghastly Nadine Dorries MP.
Re: Up yours Nadine Dorries
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:06 pm (UTC)
Precisely. What is essential is that unwanted fetal tissue be disposed of as soon as possible before it can evolve into a burden the carrier does not want. It is a choice--it is not a child. The tragedy of allowing the fetus to evolve is it does psychological damage to the carrier if that carrier is unwilling, unable, or incapable of carrying it or wanting it. It is best aborted than to be murdered within minutes after birth or as a baby or small child--three realities that are becoming more routine. It is the woman's call--for if men could become pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
Contraceptive Implants?
[info]veryberrie wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC)
What is wrong with the idea of having compulsory Contraceptive Implants for the 6 years of schooling that most teenagers are likely to be sexually active? Mine was an absolute Godsend when I went to university as they were useless at promoting sexual health whilst being amazing at promoting drinks offers! I would deny being on the pill if the guy asked as it seemed to me that guys assumed a girl on the pill wouldn't care using protection (which is one reason I don't think a male contraceptive pill would decrease the spread of STDs). I don't believe a man would bring protection if they thought they couldn't get a girl pregnant.

Each implant lasts 3 years so one at 12 then one at 15 would see girls though until they're 18. I know there are side effects (I had headaches and light stomach cramps for a few weeks) but weighing up feeling some discomfort against becoming pregnant and having to raise a child I know exactly which I would chose.

I wouldn't dream of expecting this to be enforced on those Religions that do not believe in contraception, even if I don't understand that attitude, but making it compulsory for others would surely drop our teenage pregnancy rate to practically nothing.

If that is too far then perhaps we just need to promote contraceptive injections better. No-one had mentioned it to me as an option and I found out it existed when I was trying to find an alternative to the pill as I often forgot about taking it.
Re: Contraceptive Implants?
[info]culturehorse wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 02:21 pm (UTC)
No STi protection from implants, surely just as big an issue as unwanted pregnancy? Not sure whether contracpetive implants will make teens too lazy for condoms, or more confident in broaching further contraceptive issues i.e. condoms, and whether this leaves the onus on the girls when it comes to taking responsibility for contraception. I have one myself and it's great - but only suitable for people mature enough to practice safe sex until they can turn out clean from STI checks.
Misleading Headline
[info]joshuasgrandma wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:29 am (UTC)
The headline for this piece is obviously intended as a scare tactic and should be considered as tabloid muck - since the article goes on to say that clinic adverts are only allowed in theory. The best part of the rule change is that it permits condom advertising - check out the condom ads in the US - they are funny, informative and really project important messages about the stupidity of unsafe sex. And while the teen pregnancy rate in Britain may be highest in Europe, it is half that of the US. So 'Wrap that Rascal' and start advertising birth control and emergency contraception - instead of waiting until treatment is needed.
BABY THIS IS FUN
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
Abortion clinics to advertise on television
Watchdog changes rules in bid to stem rising tide of teenage pregnancies
By Martin Hickman, Consumer Affairs Correspondent
Is this good for the teacher and students? I think so. They will learn faster then the books.
What constitute an advertisement on abortion, I wonder. The syrups that are given, the beds used, or re-used, injection sterilized, the chairs, the ropes and the steel belts to keep those who move a lot.
I definitely must not miss the first and the last episode. The doctors will come, tie the patients, the father and the mother chewing the nail, the daughter screaming, ?But I want my baby?. Why are you not allowing my lawyers to come in and so forth? At what price the Ads will be determined by the demand.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
On fetus
[info]pioyapjr wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:17 am (UTC)
Let me start with the fetus because pro-abortion people consider aborting at such stage to be allowable. Their educated conscience does not allow them to kill a screaming baby outside the womb -for what reason they would not say. (Although it would not be hard to think that given the freedom they would include it.)
Let me now be strictly scientific:
First let me be over generous and grant that a fetus is not a human being (although my dictionary tells me that it is), and that it does not feel pain, and that it is not self aware (ok, this may be true). Now are these the reason why we can wantonly dispose of a fetus?
Deny these first: 1. A fetus is a living organism.
2. A fetus contains all the information that defines the individual.
3. In less than nine months the fetus would become a cuddly baby. In two years time
it begins to talk and ask questions; In a short span of eighteen years it becomes
an adult member of society and so on.
In short, a fetus or even a human zygote for that matter is an integral part of our humanity.
Deny or disprove these assertions fellow human beings.
Re: On fetus
[info]taxman11 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 01:58 pm (UTC)
Courts in the United Kingdom and the United States have stated that the fetus is not a life. The BMA, as stated above, came to a conclusion that a fetus cannot feel pain.

Living with a life you didn't want will take as long to overcome as living with abortion..

The government proposal is to stop unwanted teenage pregnancies through the medium of television. Abortions are not good but neither are unwanted pregnancies.
Re: On fetus - [info]uanime5 - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 02:05 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: On fetus - [info]arthur_ide - Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:17 pm (UTC) Expand
Abortion Clinics
[info]sitgesana wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:06 am (UTC)
A quick and sure way to reduce teenage pregnancies would be to change the benefits system. It has sadly become a career option for those with little prospect in today's job market, and more often than not is reinforced by their life experience - most of their peers and what losely passes as family (in the UK today) have a similar lifestyle. The government will find it too difficult to cope with the bigger picture of a society in decline. The cause of this is not due to poverty or lack of education, or even early sexual activity. It is rooted in the false premises that everyone has rights without responsibility, and the state will provide. A good way to control the masses, but a very bad place to live.
Re: Abortion Clinics
[info]simon_gardner wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
sitgesana: A quick and sure way to reduce teenage pregnancies would be to change the benefits system.

What a supremely fatuous claim. And what a way to condemn young children to even more abject poverty than they already live in.
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Perhaps
[info]larkspur_14 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:39 am (UTC)
regulating the way sexual images are allowed to saturate other advertising, programming and most of our public spaces would have a bigger effect that permitting these adverts. Some people like to blame sex education for the rise in teenage pregnancies - probably because blaming the so-called sexual "revolution" and its sexualisation of just about every age group and activity might get them called prudes, or deprive them of their voyeuristic pleasures.
Re: Perhaps
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
Yes, well said.

I blame the media and its disgusting display of sex for all ages.

The media is the one condoning promiscuity in young adults (and old children, for that matter) and now they want to publicise this 'solution'?

I'm pro-choice, but I don't see why they need to advertise on TV...? Is that what they think is the only way to get through to people? That may be so, in which case the media as a whole should be more careful about the message it sends.
I expected more from the Independent
[info]taxan975 wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)
When reading the article (and as said on Radio 4's Today' programme) it is actually about 'ads for pregnancy advisory services'. But that wouldn't make a good headline, would it? With the high rate of teenage pregnancies in the UK, all available measures have to be employed - and if that means screening ads for family planning/advisory centres, I am all for it. These ads DO NOT advise on abortion! It is about prevention of pregnancies!
[info]havenli wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 12:43 pm (UTC)
Using abortions to cut down on teen pregnancies is like using a band-aid to cut down on paper cuts. The deed has already been done, folks.
Sex education is never the answer
[info]wormery wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 03:08 pm (UTC)
Why not? It'll make no difference - the US style aggressive irresponsible feminism we have aped means that girls in the uK think they have to get drunk and open their legs to anyone to be a 'strong independednt' woman. Classy... Pathetic and sad, and the fault of feminism UK style. Go to France say, and no girl would ever behave like that - and feminism is something completely different.

The media just reflects and magnifies our society - it has not caused British girls to be the most drunken, diseased, irresponsible and sluttich in Europe. Still, at leat we're champions ate something...

The sex education debate is a red herring - more sex education is NOT the solution to this. More stigma and punishing those who behave in certain ways is, as well as taking away all benefits to teen mothers and taking their babies from them and adopting them out.

As usual the government has got it wrong. Countries like Greece, Spain, Italy have no sex eduaction and are very conservative, and kids have access to porn too - and yet, no girl would like to lose her reputation so waits till she is adult before having sex. British girls just have no shame, that's all. Perhaps we need lessons in shame in schools?

Re: Sex education is never the answer
[info]fresh_freedom wrote:
Monday, 30 March 2009 at 07:09 pm (UTC)
Right.... so a life in and out of care homes makes the childs life better than having a family and doesn't eat off the benefit system? How prejudiced and cold would you like to be? How would it be OK in your eyes to punish children for their parents mistakes? And to make the parents suffer for a baby that they would otherwise be capable of raising and caring for?

Actually, the stigma against teenage pregancies is a recent thing that as usual society follows blindly. If you look into the past teenagers at 14 would be responsible, possibly married and bearing children - and it was socially acceptable.

And just because we have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe doesn't mean that there aren't girls else where doing the same! It just means the rates are slightly lower. So in fact, I think you will find that there are girls in other countries that do the same..........

Maybe if England is such a mess you should move elsewhere.....
Cut down on pregnancies
[info]lasvegasrich wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 04:09 pm (UTC)
I believe that people who have religious beliefs should follow them, but they don't have the right to impose their beliefs on everyone else. If you believe that abortion is murder, then don't have one. The goal should be to cut down on teenage pregnancy. It should start with adequate sex education courses in the schools, as well as making birth control devices readily available. Here in the States, they just announced that the morning after pill can be purchased by teenagers without parental permission. The law here says that you don't have human life until the baby is born, before that any women can abort her fetus. You can argue against this rule, and many do, but that's the law here.
Abortion clinics to advertise on television
[info]meta_media wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 04:10 pm (UTC)
What next? Ads for hit men in the yellow pages or for ethnic cleansing?
[info]vernthom wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 05:49 pm (UTC)
What I find interesting is that the introductory comment on the BPAS website is "bpas is the leading provider of abortion services in the UK". It would seem therefore that they do not indeed primarily provide advice on pregnancy, but more to the point, on how to terminate them. So certainly as far as BPAS is concerned, they would be certainly advertising abortion more than anything else. It's such a shame that Pregnancy Advisory Services do not evidently offer advice on the availability of adoption as an alternative to ending the life of a foetus.

Long Live Life
[info]gbianco wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 08:55 pm (UTC)
So teens can do what they like without getting to know what responsibility is. They are big enough to have sex but not big enough to carry the burden their own actions bring about. These are meant to be the future's generations and yet, they are being taught how to become irresponsible. It's a shame on our generation who has become so lax to promote such things. We continue to think we can play God!!! Long Live Life!
Women have a right to know about safe abortions
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:43 pm (UTC)
An abortion only rids a woman of unwanted fetal tissue--it is a choice, not a baby and not an unborn child--as a child has to be over the age of 1--as it does not even have a heartbeat for the first 20 weeks much less a brain that can feel anything. Once abortion providers can detail their services to emancipate women from the yoke of religion and the oppression of men, women will truly be equal and free in the UK.

If the government would awaken from its medieval slumber and allow advertisements for condoms, birth control pills and morning after pills, abortion would not be as necessary. But in the end, it is the woman who is carrying the fertilized egg who alone has the right to make a decision concerning her body, and if she choses abortion--that is her right--as she is living a mortal life--she is no longer an evolving cellular structure.
Abortion advertising
[info]frjuniperofm wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 09:59 pm (UTC)
You who are now reading this are uniquely and irreplaceably beautiful. You are a unique gift to this world. That's a fact whatever you may think or feel yourself, or what others may think or feel about you. That's true for you at this moment and has always been true from the moment of your conception, and will forever be the case. That is what my faith teaches me. A healthy baby's life is terminated through an abortion approximately once every two and a half to three minutes in the UK - 24/7. As Mary Kenny has said - 200,000 a year. What is this doing to the country? How much unique and irreplaceable life is being wasted? Every step of an infant's life is sacred and essential. At every moment of pregnancy there is a human baby, a human person, in an essential point of development. The human foetus is not 'some sort of organism' that's potentially human. The human foetus is already fully human with a unique and wonderful human potential in the process of being realised. The process of development is of itself supremely sacred. There is an essential and irreplaceable connection and association between where you are now, as you are reading this, and where you were at any point after the moment of your conception. That is a scientific fact. I believe absolutely in a woman's right to choose. Unless a woman was very tragically raped, which is a dreadful act, then she has already made a choice - she's pregnant. Maybe it was a mistake. We all make them. But no mistake can every be resolved by making a greater one. Are the woman and her partner going to take responsibility for the choice they have in fact already made? That's the crucial question. Or are they going to put their child to death? Each of us is a unique gift from God.
Re: Abortion advertising
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 10:26 pm (UTC)
Your god makes a lot of mistakes: creating mass murders--like Moses who slew the armies of the pharoah (actually Moses is a myth of On), Joshua who invaded Jericho with his whore, the Roman Catholic Inquisition which sent millions of people to their deaths, the infamous Christian and Muslim crusades which butchered entire cities (from Jerusalem captured by the Christians, to the fall of Yathrib [Medina] by the Muslims), to Adolf Hitler and his Final Solution, to George W. Bush and his Surges in Iraq and Afghanistan as he gained the support of the villain Tony Blair, to the leaders of Sudan and Somalia--all monsters who claimed, as did Sarah Palin Governor of Alaska, that these wars were demanded by god and she and her prayer warriors (fighting for peace is like having sex for chastity) would storm heaven to prove the righteousness of their cause. God has always been the villain, masterminding holocausts from the days the Jews stormed non-Jewish cities and Babylon and later Rome captured Jerusalem, Samaria, etc, to the current Israeli army's holocaust against the people of Gaza with Peres and his cabinet the new Hitlers and the Israeli government the Fifth Reich--following the Fourth Reich of George W. Bush.
[info]sarah_81_mid wrote:
Thursday, 26 March 2009 at 11:41 pm (UTC)
I have to say, the predominant emotion felt when I read this was sadness. Frequently readers use this as an opportunity to slander people of faith, medical personel etc etc. However please can we get back to the real point- These teenagers are vulnerable, and appear to be receiving biased advice that an abortion will solve their problems. This is extremely short sighted. As a midwife (still working for the NHS!) and working in a deprived area with many teenage mothers abortion does not prevent problems for our young poeple. I have seen many girls so upset by their abortions that they return the following year pregnant. They are grieving the loss of hope, life etc and have another child to replace the loss. It seems to merely delay the onset of motherhood by a few months but does not reduce the overall birth rate. Our young people see sex advertised all around them, they cannot escape it. How ironic that advertising/society would promote carefree promiscuity on the one hand and abortion on the other.
Re: "Faith"
[info]simon_gardner wrote:
Friday, 27 March 2009 at 01:51 am (UTC)
Thank You Sarah - [info]jimliverpool - Saturday, 28 March 2009 at 06:18 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Thank You Sarah - [info]sarah_81_mid - Tuesday, 31 March 2009 at 09:23 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Thank You Sarah - [info]jimliverpool - Wednesday, 1 April 2009 at 06:09 am (UTC) Expand
Polarised abortion debate and me - [info]kittybarton - Tuesday, 31 March 2009 at 11:07 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Polarised abortion debate and me - [info]sarah_81_mid - Wednesday, 1 April 2009 at 04:38 pm (UTC) Expand
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