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'Ban smoking in cars carrying children'

By Jane Kirby, Press Association

There should be a ban on smoking in cars carrying children, the head of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health said today.

Professor Terence Stephenson argued it should be illegal to inflict smoke on youngsters in cars and rejected claims that it amounted to introducing the nanny state.

"We should make it illegal to smoke in cars when children are in the vehicle," he said.

"Why on earth would you light up in your car whilst your children are sitting quite happily in the back?

"On the assumption that you wouldn't pass the packet round and invite the kids to light up, why make them breathe tobacco smoke at all?

"You can't inflict this on your colleagues at work any more. Why should we treat our children's health as a lower priority than our employees?"

Prof Stephenson, writing for the BBC website's Scrubbing Up column, said that as a health professional sometimes "you just can't win".

He added: "If you act to make people safer, you get accused of introducing the nanny state.

"If you let people make their own decisions, you get accused of neglect.

"It is admittedly slightly easier when children are involved - we are naturally risk-averse with our own children and by extension with other people's - this is legitimate nanny territory."

He said parents in the UK have smoked around their children for generations.

"My parents put me and my brothers and sisters in the back of their car, started their three hour journey and lit up cigarette after cigarette - often with the windows closed."

He also pointed to a study published by the Ontario Tobacco Research Unit which showed that smoking just one cigarette created pollution inside a car that was 100 times greater than accepted US standards.

"New Brunswick is the latest province in Canada to introduce legislation banning smoking in cars with children," he continued.

"This change in legislation will prohibit smoking in a car when there is a child under the age of 16 in it.

"Extremely sensible, common sense - but seen by some as too draconian and the trickling of nanny state rules again.

"Second-hand smoke has been found to be strongly linked to chest infections in children, asthma, ear problems and sudden infant death syndrome, or cot death.

"We should be making cars totally smoke-free if there are children travelling in them."

He said smoking at work was seen as normal a few year ago but was "now incredibly intrusive, not the norm".

He added: "I know many of you will disagree with me - perhaps strongly.

"Most changes designed to make life safer - seat-belts in cars, health warnings on cigarette packets - were initially met with scepticism or even derision when they were first proposed.

"Those of us in the medical profession, who see the results of passive smoking first hand, need to be ready to lead and make a convincing case.

"Only then can we hope that necessary measures are viewed not as the nanny state but as common sense."

Deborah Arnott, chief executive of Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), supported a ban on smoking in cars.

The risks were not just to children but to adults suffering from conditions like heart disease, she said.

"Cars are small tin boxes, with not much air in them," she added.

"Smoking just one cigarette, even with the window open, creates a greater concentration of second-hand smoke than a whole evening's smoking in a pub or a bar.

"That's not just bad for children but for adults too, especially those who already have heart or lung diseases."

In the UK, there is a ban on smoking in commercial vehicles.

A spokeswoman from the road safety charity, Brake, said it also supported a ban on smoking in cars.

"There is no specific offence at the moment which says you can be charged with smoking at the wheel," she said.

"But you can be prosecuted for not having proper control of your vehicle.

"Having one hand off the wheel and dropping ash over yourself, or obstructing your view with smoking, means you are not concentrating on your driving.

"All that can add up to not having proper control of your vehicle or dangerous driving."

She said it might be useful to have a law banning smoking in the same way there was in force regarding using hand-held mobile phones.

"I think we would be in favour of a ban because there's some confusion at the moment whether it's dangerous."

Simon Clark, director of the smokers' lobby group Forest, said today: "Adults should err on the side of caution when young children are in the car, but a ban is far too heavy-handed.

"It's unnecessarily intrusive. You can't legislate for every aspect of people's behaviour.

"Who's going to enforce it? The police have got better things to do with their time.

"Our fear is that this is a stepping stone to banning smoking in all cars, regardless of whether children are on board.

"Many cars are private spaces, like the home. Are we going to ban smoking at home too?"

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why on earth should children
[info]laconico wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
be allowed to live in cities with such terrible air pollution from cars?
Not the nanny state
[info]ponkbutler wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 07:59 am (UTC)
Children are pushed too hard by an exam-mad education system
Parents force them through this sausage factory education into unfulfilling jobs
The same parents are often dual career families with little time for their children, who abandon them to the world of Nintendo and Playstation and form damaging, dysfunctional relationships with them
Entry onto the job market is humiliating and rife with bullying

And that's just the start of a list that could go on and on - it's part of the widespread lasting damage most children in this country suffer and causes well-documented physical and mental health problems, not to mention social problems, about which the Royal College of Paediatrics does not speak out.

There are many arguments against smoking in cars with and without children.
There are many arguments against arguing in cars.
The are many accepted practices in our society which other societies would consider unhealthy, pathological or even criminal.

Inability to know where to draw the line between public information and public control is causing a backlash in this society because it is out of control. And these pronouncements are part of it. Stephenson mentions that quaint phrase the "nanny state", but it is worse than that - its basis and the precedents it creates are those of fascism. This, coupled with the increasing lack of the old British belief in and practice of consensus in government is eroding everything from freedom of healthcare to the freedom to park and - dare I say it - freedom of thought. We're on the road to room 101 and too many in the medical profession are helping us on the way there.

PS: Written by a non-smoker....
Re: Not the nanny state
[info]toolan wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
Bravo.

Toolan
Re: Not the nanny state
[info]chrisp666 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
All that is not forbidden is compulsory.
Re: Not the nanny state
[info]colinru wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
Well said!
'Ban smoking in cars carrying children'
[info]septimusgrunge wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
I'm an act that works in clubs up and down the country, since the ban, most of these same clubs are financially on their knees. Lots of the audience has disappeared in a puff of smoke . The non-smoking brigade have not filled the empty seats. The smokers now sit at home with their cheap supermarket six packs watching their plasma telly, while blowing smoke all over their kids. The government should have given us a smoking or non smoking choice

Septimus Grunge
please please go away
[info]bowesy wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
He would be better advised to carrying on being a doctor rather than an amateur behavioral adviser.

These people love this nanny state rubbish, as it gives them a platform that they otherwise would not have. Next he will call for higher taxation etc - we have seen this all before. If we live in a country of morons then education is the answer, not a bunch of twits trying to enforce their rather narrow views and experience on the rest of us, even if the intention is honourable.

What happened to letting people get on with it - Nu Labours engorged state has promoted this type of thinking and look how miserable Britain is as a result of it.






Smoking in cars
[info]chas_10 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
Children are also told to wash their hands every five minutes. It's no wonder that children today suffer far more from allergies, asthma and hay fever, as they have very poor immune systems. A report from New Zealand, which is the most anti-smoking country in the world, said that children who subjected to some cigarette smoke had better immune systems.
'Ban smoking in cars carrying children'
[info]alex3321 wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 09:55 am (UTC)
Keep your nose out of our cars and our homes unless your going to pay for them, you have no right to dictate to people what they can or cant do in the privicy of their own cars or homes this would be a step too far, this police state mentality has to stop!
Who would enforce it?
[info]robred wrote:
Wednesday, 17 June 2009 at 11:36 am (UTC)
In Colwyn Bay there is a Dog Warden who would cruise the streets looking for smokers in cars, well it is easier than dealing with dogs.
Over exaggerated
[info]ants_h wrote:
Thursday, 18 June 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC)
I and my 3 brothers and sisters all grew up around smoke and were drove around in smokey cars. We are all now in our 40's and are healthy and strong. We were never ill as children and none of us died, never had any serious illnesses, asthma, hayfever, ear infections or anything else for that matter.

I'm not saying its ok to smoke with kids in the car, just that legislation is unnecassary as second hand smoke is an over-exaggerated health scare introduced in the effort to de-normalise smoking.
NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVE IN - Churchill
[info]blaggarde wrote:
Thursday, 18 June 2009 at 01:17 pm (UTC)
It is REALLY high time that the "medical profession" got a grip on itself. Outrageous interference in peoples lives, especially when hiding behind "The Children" as justification, is just NOT acceptable. Consulting-room advice has already been transmogrified into law as a means of criminalising people. That is NOT acceptable either.

Has the medical profession found a cure for death? No. Will it ever? Probably not. So how can there be any such concept as "preventable" death? Has it found a solution for why we age and die as a result of old age? No. Will it ever? Probably not. So why does it insist on condemning people to continue to exist well into their most incapacitating, suffering years, incapable of independent function and utterly dependent on others. (and that's a "success").

Medicine is a tied agent of Big Pharma. A pill for every ill. Pills which are worth billions upon billions in market terms. If you want to see the real reason why the "medical profession" as a whole has abandoned the true care of people and instead become a political entity, follow the money. Google 'RWJF' to see what further oppressive surprises are in store for those who are naive enough to believe that all of this is "for your own (or your childrens) protection".
Thick people say thick things
[info]c777 wrote:
Thursday, 18 June 2009 at 07:45 pm (UTC)
Here is a analysis of the lack of mentallity of all the fake charities like ash or brake ,read the above qoute from "BRAKE" again

"Having one hand off the wheel and dropping ash over yourself, or obstructing your view with smoking, means you are not concentrating on your driving.

So what about when you have one hand on the wheel whilst changing gear?
Is she thick or what ?

...
[info]carlet_girl wrote:
Friday, 26 June 2009 at 07:31 am (UTC)
yes i agree.. anyone caught smoking inside their cars with children should be put in jail or arrested. just imagine how it suffocates the child in the dual exhaust car!


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