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Doctors have been asked to trace all babies in Britain who have been injected in the past month with the meningitis C vaccine which was recalled on Wednesday after it emerged that it may be contaminated with a microbe that can cause potentially fatal blood poisoning.
The Department of Health also announced it is also going to test unused batches of the vaccine sent from Italy and stored in GP surgeries in the UK to see whether any of them are contaminated with Staphylococcus aureus, the same type of microbe responsible for the hospital-acquired infection MRSA.
The health department said it does not yet know how many of the 17,000 doses of meningitis C vaccine sent to GPs on 22 January and 20 February – but recalled on Wednesday night – have been used as part of the national childhood vaccination programme. However, it is likely to be in the hundreds or possibly thousands.
"We can, and are going to, track the vaccine to individual GP surgeries. GPs can then contact the patients who have had the injection. Although, as we've said, this is as a precautionary measure and we are not aware of any problems in the UK," a spokeswoman for the health department said.
"We won't know how many doses have already been administered and how many are sitting in GPs' fridges until we have recalled them all. The health department has traced all the vaccine and knows where it is. It will be collected from GP surgeries," she added.
Novartis, the Swiss pharmaceuticals company, manufactured its Menjugate vaccine for meningitis C at its facility in Italy, and the product destined for Britain had passed all sterility tests required under European Union regulations.
However, Novartis subsequently detected Staphylococcus contamination in samples taken from two batches that had already been sent to Britain by road. The samples were being used in an experiment to test their vulnerability to pressure changes when shipped by air and they were found to be positive on arrival in the US, a Novartis spokeswoman said.
Novartis informed the British distributor of the problem late on Friday night of last week by email, and the company subsequently telephoned the Department of Health on Monday morning, a spokesman said. The health department said it checked with the company on Monday morning to make sure it had informed the medicines watchdog, the Medicines Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) but the agency said that it was only told about the problem on Tuesday.
The MHRA recalled the vaccine on Wednesday night several hours after the health department had been approached by The Independent with questions about the possible contamination of the baby vaccine.
Professor Kent Woods, chief executive of the MHRA, said there was currently no evidence that any children have been harmed by the suspect stocks of meningitis C vaccine and there have been no reports of any infections following vaccination.
"Parents should not be concerned over this recall, as there is currently no evidence to show UK children have been put at risk. Novartis are recalling these two batches as a precautionary measure," Professor Woods said.
More than 60,000 doses of vaccine formed the two batches sent from Italy. The Deparment of Health said that more than 21,000 of those had been shipped to GP surgeries but yesterday it revised that figure down to 17,000.
A spokeswoman for Novartis said the vaccine is transported in vials separated from a liquid solvent in which it is mixed on arrival. It was the liquid solvent – aluminium hydroxide – that was found to be contaminated. "The solvent that was transported by road to the UK passed all routine checks but the solvent that was transported by road and air to the US did not," she said.
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If you notice a fever, or excessive soreness or lumps in the skin where the vaccine was given, I suggest you contact your doctors.
All children should be vaccinated by law and parents should have NO say. Most parents are idiots anyway and know nothing about public health and medicine, so get their information from stupid dishonest sceramongering media stories and fairytales ike this. That's whay they think there's a paedo behind every lamppost. Idiots the lot of em.
The paranoia from some people is truly amazing, even when there's an admitted health issue with it, and the DOH didn't recall the batches until a newspaper got involved, some people are so paranoid about childhood illnesses (which I had as a child and so did my mother), that they are calling parents who don't vaccinate, child killers.
George Fisher died after his MMR, so did Madyson Williams in the States. Her parents were awarded compensation. Going by your philosophy, does that mean the doctors who injected her are also 'child killers'?
Joanna.
You won't listen to the facts or learn about medicine or history - you just spout your anti-science nonsense and back it up with tripe from the internet. Lkistn fool - in terms of public health, if one or two babies get ill or die from vaccinations, then that is acceptable risk - if vaccination prevents tens or hundreds of thousands of children dying from measles or other epidemics.
Now go away. I really can't be bothered to debate with such morons.
If you believe that vaccines are so truly wonderful as you state, then the fact that my children are unvaccinated wouldn't make any difference to your children, as yours are 'immunized' and therefore, protected, so what are you worrying about? If you think that vaccinated kids will pick something up from unvaccinated kids, you don't believe in the effectiveness of vaccines.
And this article was actually about a contaminated batch, not parents who don't vaccinate. I fail to see what is so offensive about the NHS withdrawing batches with Staph A. That isn't even anti-vaccine, it's good practice. Are they just supposed to continue injecting defective batches into people?
You accuse parents who don't vaccinate of being ignorant, but you name call and can't spell (notice your title, it's 'Vaccinate all children' , not 'vaccine all children'.
You say parents are all stupid, well parents bring up the future generations, so they must be stupid too. Children cannot be of intelligence if their parents aren't. Does that mean your mother was an idiot too?
Your own unvaccinated children are currently enjoying this herd protection, but if vaccine rates drop much further then they will become increasingly exposed to the risks of these infections. Measles may be "usually" mild, but it causes encephalitis in 1 in 1000, and death in 1 in 5000. Meningitis causes death in 15%, and brain damage in another 15%. Try weighing up these odds before thinking your kids will sail through childhood unaffected.
Saying vaccines contain "nasties" like foetal tissue and toxic contaminants is just plain wrong, and an argument from emotion. None of the vaccine constituents is present in levels significant enough to cause harm.
The herd immunity theory was originally coined in 1933 by a researcher called Hedrich. He had been studying measles patterns in the US between 1900-1931 (years before any vaccine was ever invented for measles) and he observed that epidemics of the illness only occurred when less than 68% of children had developed a natural immunity to it. This was based upon the principle that children build their own immunity after suffering with or being exposed to the disease. So the herd immunity theory was, in fact, about natural disease processes and nothing to do with vaccination. If 68% of the population were allowed to build their own natural defences, there would be no raging epidemic.
Later on, vaccinologists adopted the phrase and increased the figure from 68% to 95% with no scientific justification as to why, and then stated that there had to be 95% vaccine coverage to achieve immunity. Essentially, they took Hedrich?s study and manipulated it to promote their vaccination programmes.
(MONTHLY ESTIMATES OF THE CHILD POPULATION "SUSCEPTIBLE' TO MEASLES, 1900-1931, BALTIMORE, MD, AW HEDRICH, American Journal of Epidemiology, May 1933 - Oxford University Press).
Diseases can still occur in vaccinated populations, and this is frequently reported in medical journals. So I don't at all believe my children are 'protected' by vaccinated children. In fact, live vaccines can shed viruses for 3 weeks afterwards so it's my kids who are more at risk from the vaccinated.
Yes, diseases occur in vaccinated populations, I agree. I did say that vaccination is never 100%, so some of the vaccinated will remain susceptible. These outbreaks can and are written up in journals. Why? because they are noteworthy/unusual. Throughout the developed and underdeveloped world, the overwhelming majority of cases of disease occur in the unvaccinated. The attack rate of infections like measles is several fold higher in unvaccinated versus vaccinated individuals. Vaccine protects (but not always, hence the benefit of herd immunity)
The vaccines don't 'last' and doctors are now discussing whether we need three MMR's. The DTAP wears off at age 7 to 9, that is after FIVE doses in baby and toddlerhood, with the pertussigen that they have used in animal tests to induce brain swelling (Munoz JJ; Peacock MG; Hadlow WJ Anaphylaxis or so-called encephalopathy in mice sensitized to an antigen with the aid of pertussigen (pertussis toxin).
Infect Immun, 55: 4, 1987 Apr, 1004-8
Sensitization of mice with 1 mg of bovine serum albumin (BSA) or chicken egg albumin (EA) given intraperitoneally and 300 to 400 ng of pertussigen (pertussis toxin [Ptx]) given intravenously (i.v.) induced a high degree of anaphylactic sensitivity when the mice were challenged i.v. with 1 mg of antigen 14 days later. Regardless of H-2 haplotype, all of the strains tested (CFW, BALB/cJ, DBA/2J, and C3H.SW/SnJ) were susceptible to anaphylaxis. Sensitization of mice by a multiple-dose procedure that has been reported to induce fatal encephalopathy in mice.
Vaccinated people can also get atypical illnesses which are worse, such as atypical measles syndrome (AMS), which according to medicine net can cause pneumonia lasting up to 3 months:
'AMS begins suddenly with high fever, headache, cough, and abdominal pain. The rash may appear 1 to 2 days later, often beginning on the limbs. Swelling (edema) of the hands and feet may occur. Pneumonia is common and may persist for 3 months or more.'
"The vaccines don't last". True to a degree. For some vaccines immunity wanes, but for certain illnesses the crucial phase when protection is needed is in childhood (eg pertussis). Anyway, so what if a booster is needed? That doesn't comprise a valid argument against vaccination. Boosters for hepatitis B are needed every 5 years for life in health care workers. Is that an argument for not giving it? Would you be happy to get operated on by a surgeon who had never had vaccination?
Stories about reactions in mice to pertussis antigen are irrelevant to this discussion. Please recall that in the 1970s, because of a scare about pertussis causing brain damage (which has subsequently been comprehensively shown to be untrue) vaccination rates dropped to 30%, resulting in tens of thousands of cases of pertussis and around 40 deaths. Sounds just like deja vu with MMR just now, no?
Look up "atypical measles". You will see this is an unusual historical phenomenon from the 1960s/1970swhen someone who had been vaccinated with the first generation single measles vaccine then subsequently was exposed to natural measles. It is an idiosyncratic immunological reaction, it was quite rare, and has never been reported since MMR was introduced. It only occured in those who also caught natural measles (you know, that quite "harmless" infection you all go on about?)
The case rate of whooping cough went up, but the hospital admissions and deaths went down when people stopped the vaccination, this is from Archives of disease in childhood, a medical journal!
My friend's fully vaccinated 7 year old son got whooping cough at school from several other vaccinated students, came home and gave it to his unvaccinated sister. I have known 2 local 'epidemics' of it in the last 11 years and there seemed to be no difference in case rate between my friends vaccinated and unvaccinated children. My own daughter had it when she was a baby and it was annoying but she was okay. My friend's vaccinated baby was in hospital on oxygen and she'd had her DPT's.
I also know a lady whose daughter is a cabbage since her DPT, is mentally retarded, has a seizure disorder and will eventually die from it. Having been to the meetings that are held for these parents, I was surrounded by such crippled up, mentally handicapped people and having dealt with whooping cough myself, I know which scenario I would rather deal with.
Dr. Kari Simonsen, a pediatrician at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, USA, said that 1 in 5 vaccinated children will still get whooping cough, and given that whooping cough is not fatal after 1 year old and that the vaccine is a known brain irritant, it's not worth the risk to me personally.
As for AMS, it still happens. If you look at the NHS leaflets on MMR, they describe bruise like rashes, mumps like illnesses etc after MMR, with is what an atypical illness is, it's where the expression of the illness has been altered.
As for Hep B, my MIL is a nurse and her friend is disabled through Hep B vaccinations for work. She had them regularly and blacked out after every one. She's now too disabled to work due to ME and chronic joint pains. My MIL got allergic asthma from her shots really late in life (she was in her 40's before it developed) that she thinks is a consequence of Hep B shot.
The danger is more from the patient to the doctor, rather than the other way around as all medical staff are tested for Hep B.
I have CP and have had operations and it freaks me out that doctors have all these germs and viruses in them. I don't believe vaccines work, and they can mutate even with a killed vaccine so I'd rather my surgeon wasn't vaccinated, actually.
Yes, that is "a medical journal", and I looked it up, and discover you have deliberately lied about the conclusions the authors made. There were several reasons for a drop in admissions. They did NOT say stopping the vaccinations was one of these, as you pretend it was. They specifically say this (taken from the article's conclusion):
"In summary, therefore, the findings suggest that the decline in hospital admission and death rates in the 1977 outbreak had three causes; an increase in the proportion of mild cases notified, a change in the social class distribution of cases resulting from a change in vaccination pattern, and improved care."
They went on to say:
"The drop in admission rates should not be allowed to obscure the increase in the total number of whooping cough admissions since pertussis vaccination declined."
Why is it that those against vaccination sprinkle their comments with deliberate untruths, distorted data, misrepresented research, and multiple irrelevant and ultimately unconvincing anecdotes conforming to the pattern of "My MIL got ME after a vaccine, so they must be bad!"? Do you think anyone who can actually look up and understand the research will be fooled? Perhaps you rely on most readers of this thread to take your word for it when you quote "a medical journal", since they do not have the time or the means to double check the original source? I guess you must do.
All I can do is hope that readers appreciate that a lie can go halfway round the world before the truth gets its socks on, and to wake up to the fact that virtually all the "science" quoted by the antivaccine brigade to suggest vaccines are useless is either distorted, misinterpreted or misquoted. This points to a total lack of scientific integrity and honesty within the antivaccine lobby.
I wouldn't mention a study if I didn't want people to look it up. ALL medical studies are pro-vaccine because they are the industry that make them, but their data is very concerning and wouldn't convince me or a lot of other people. Very often when a study contradicts their vaccine theory, they will try to come up with reasons to maintain the status quo. For instance, in India there has been a spate on deaths after measles vaccine and the Indian Academy of pediatrics wrote in their journal regarding the deaths that they needed to 'reassure the public of vaccine safety so that immunization coverage does not dip'. They weren't bothered about the deaths, just so long as the immunization coverage doesn't dip.
When I remember the citation I'll let you know.
At any rate, you miss the point. The reason we vaccinate against pertussis is to stop hospital admissions and deaths from pertussis, yes? Well, they just said in their article after vaccination rates were only 10-30%, these rates did NOT go up. Cases might have gone up (who cares if there aren't any extra hospital admissions and deaths from that?). I mean, seriously, a parent only vaccinates for a disease they think their child might DIE from or become disabled by. Those cases might have gone up too, because the doctors knew that people weren't getting the vaccine so they were rushing to 'register' cases to encourage vaccine uptake.
I know for a fact that my daughter's case wasn't notified even though she is unvaccinated because the dr insisted that the vaccine had 'eradicated' whooping cough, therefore my daughter COULDN'T have it even though she had most of the symptoms in the book. My friend's 7 year old boy who had it was also not notified, but I'll bet you if people were refusing DTAP like they are MMR, doctors would be more than willing to report it.
And it doesn't take away from the fact that the medical profession mislead people by saying that there were loads of deaths from whooping cough in the 1970's scare, just as you said to me, when frankly the journal shows this isn't true.
You're missing the point. The reason we vaccinate against pertussis is to prevent hospital admission
Well at least that has clarified things. You obviously believe in the conspiracy theory that all research is carried out at the behest of the profiteering pharma industry, and only studies favourable to them gets published.
There is a degree of truth in what you say if you were talking about something like blood pressure drugs, but do not tarnish vaccine research with the same brush, since most of it is actually conducted by independent agencies such as national surveillance watchdogs, epidemiology and public health departments and so on.
I saw something about deaths from measles vaccine in India too. I believe the vaccine was significantly contaminated at the point of distribution, and several of the children vaccinated with that batch died. That is terrible, but says little about the safety and efficacy of vaccination in general, any more than does the melamine contamination of baby milk in China indicate that all milk formula is tainted and dangerous.
You miss the point with pertussis. Widespread vaccination results in protection of infants (those most at risk of severe disease and death). Drop in vaccination rates led to a resurgence of disease, admissions and deaths in the 1970s. The journal article we both referred to did not say there were no deaths from pertussis. Statistics show an increase in deaths during the outbreaks subsequent to the vaccination decline.
Perhaps you might be interested in the Pertussis chapter from the Department of Health "Green Book", and look at the papers referenced within it.
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publichealth/He
I have 5 children (unvaccinated) and of the 5, only 1 ever had whooping cough. That's the same rate as the dr was talking about, so it could mean that the vaccine did nothing at all for the children who got it, if 1 in 5 still get whooping cough.
I think conspiracy theory is all about people trying to kill you on purpose and aliens and such like (correct me if you think I'm wrong) and I don't believe that doctors are out to kill you. I do think there are a lot of good ones, and I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for the NICU, but I do believe that the profession is run by pharmaceutical companies because they pay for the schooling of doctors, and their wages are reliant on it. I wouldn't ask a guy from DFS if he thinks I should buy a new sofa, because he's going to say yes. It's the same with drugs. They do it with all drugs,including vaccines.
If you get hold of an old issue of the Nursing Times News (24th November 2005), it said 'more than 1 in 7 GP's are considering STOPPING childhood vaccinations because of new government plans that they won't be paid as much for the service.'
If childhood vaccination was all 100% about the children, the GP wouldn't give a monkey's whether he was paid or not because it is to save lives!
As for the measles vaccine deaths, they probably were contaminated - it said in the article I showed you: 'It is reported with multi dose vials of vaccines that have been stored after reconstitution beyond the recommended time of 3-4 hours. These vaccine vials act as culture media for bacteria chiefly exotoxin producing S. aureus.', which is the bacteria you said was 'harmless' in response to this Independent article about Men C vaccine and Staph A.
In my opinion, though, it doesn't make it any less wrong and a big problem I have with the vaccination system is the idea that it's okay to 'sacrifice' one or a few children to 'benefit' everyone else. It isn't okay. I don't believe in sacrificing children for a greater good. Even if I were to believe the 1 in a million figure the NHS quote, which I don't, it's too much for me. I would never want that to be my child. I couldn't inject my child with anything if there even a TINY possibility of death occuring, and it states that clearly in the package inserts that come with the vaccine.
I know that sometimes diseases kill and that's sad, but at least that is nature. If my child died because of something I injected her with, then that is murder. There's plenty of parents who'd disagree with me, but that's how I feel. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I guess you don't let your child ride a bike, play sport, travel in a car, or walk down the street. (More children die from these activities than die from vaccine reactions). Presumably you don't let your child leave the house either... Oh oops, children die at home in domestic accidents too.... Decisions, decisions.
At least in a car you know you have tried to cover any adverse eventuality, but with vaccines, you've got to go blindly in there with a 2 month baby who has no medical history and hope for the best. And as the yellow card reporting system in this country is voluntary, authorities reckon only about 10% of reactions ever get reported anyway, so we don't know exactly how many chronic diseases, cancers, acute reactions from vaccines there really are, and most of the time they deny it even when a child is critical and say 'vaccines are safe, they had nothing to do with it' so no one is ever going to get an accurate picture of whether the benefits outweigh the risks because they're not honest about the risks.
For instance, when thimerosal (50% mercury) used to be in childhood vaccines (and still is in trace amounts), the NHS said don't worry, it's only a tiny bit and a tiny bit doesn't hurt, but they're frankly lying. See here:
http://www.vce.org/mercury/thimerosal-u
It says in this document ''HAZARD SYMBOL T+ (VERY TOXIC). Criteria: Inhalation, swallowing or absorbtion through the skin in very small amounts can cause considerable damage to health and may sometimes be lethal.'
And they were telling us it's safe to inject tiny amounts into our babies? As it's still used in the manufacturing process so even though it's not an added ingredient anymore, many vaccines contain less than 3mcg of mercury, which the above still says is very toxic and can be lethal.
Aluminium has an accumulative effect and is in most of the jabs. It's been thought to be linked to demenia and possibly to breast cancer, formaldehyde, well they embalm bodies with it and it is in date rape cigarettes to get the woman to feel whoozy and it's a KNOWN trigger of throat and nasal cancers.
Then if you look at the data sheet that comes with the vaccine, they have a statement at the bottom of ALL of them, stating 'This product has NOT been evaluated to see if it is carcinogenic, mutagenic, or if it impairs fertility.'
Basically they haven't tested any vaccine to see if it causes cancer, mutates into other illnesses or causes infertility. Considering they inject this stuff into millions of babies, you would have thought they would, but they don't want to know if it does these things or not.
It might have something to do with the 1 in 3 cancer rate we now have and the 1 in 6 infertility rate.
So yeah, I'd rather let my kids play sports, ride in cars, cross the road etc any day.
As it is, one of my daughters has a demylinating genetic condition (and vaccines can cause demylination anyway, it's listed in the product insert for some of them), and she's contraindicated to a long list of drugs. If I'd have vaccinated her, she'd probably be dead. It depends on your perception of the risk.
http://indianpediatrics.net/june2008/ju
The deplorable comments on it about their objectives are in the first paragraph at the top of that page.
Admittedly they DO discuss ways in which to try to prevent death but most of the article is just excusing the deaths that happened and trying to maintain the reputation of vaccines. Never mind that 4 children died. There were also another 5 children who died after this was published because they did nothing about it.
Sara-nonsense - no, wormery sees sense and is not psychotic oh bimbo one. Are you a doctor? NO. Medically qualified? NO. Educated? NO, not to any great extent. SO SHUT UP IDIOT. This is NOT open to debate amongst those who know what they are talking about - ie the medical profession. Vaccines are good. End of. Though I do wish idiots like you had dies of measles when a baby. In fact, you';d have made a lovely abortion. Morons, bimbos, chavs, scaremongers, retards, hysterics, twats like YOU should just be ignored and the government should force all children to be vaccinated.
Joanna, Sara-nonsense, gibby1 - the idiot trio of this message board. Thickos.
I believe it was Albert Einstein who said that condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
You sir, appear to be condemning without investigating.
Perhaps I may be lucky enough to be accepted at the institute where you were schooled? I can only aspire to pick up even a thin strand of your etiquette and constructive argument you demonstrate so generously.
What effect do you consider the 1875 Public Health Act had upon these diseases and epidemics you mention?
If I was giving my child cough medicine I would read the label too. I have had surgeries/medicines in my life and the docs always tell you both the risks and benefits beforehand, so I was just using the same caution with my children. For some reason, people are expected to vaccinate blindly without question, but if you were giving any other medicine you would check the child wasn't contraindicated/ what the dosage was etc.
What you would like to see is the opposite of knowledge. You want parents to just do what the doctor says (the doctor who is paid to vaccinate the child), ask no questions and just believe the party line. Now that's ignorance.
BTW i think you find chavs more likley to vaccinate like sheeple than the well educated.
In response to Trogblog's comment about people believing in conspiracy theories about pharmaceutical companies getting their own research published above independent studies, and also his/her assumption that the conclusions of studies actually reflect the results in the study, I would like to refer him/her to this weeks edition of the British Medical Journal (read by most doctors) which has 2 paragraphs in its editorial referring to an article it has published. The editor says:
"The authors' longstanding interest has been the poor quality of research on the effectiveness of vaccines. They find that studies that favour influenza vaccine over placebo or no treatment are of significantly poorer methodological quality than those that do not, and that the overwhelmingly favourable conclusions drawn by most studies bear little relation to the actual results. The authors suggest that this discrepancy between results and conclusions explains why governments promote influenza vaccines despite the lack of evidence for their effectiveness.
They also voice doubt about the impact factor as a robust indicator of journal quality. Studies funded by industry were more likely to be published in high impact factor journals, even though these studies were no bigger or better than studies published elsewhere. Why this should be is worth exploring. One explanation not directly raised by the authors is that the sale of reprints of articles to industry is an important source of revenue to some journals, and editors may find themselves under pressure to publish certin articles regardless of their quality. If so, it's a pressure they must resist."
The link for this is http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/3
I am perturbed about the phrase you use to liken the Staph aureus bacteria to MRSA. This is quite unecessary. It would be more accurate to have said "Staph aureus is a bacterium already found in its billions on the skin of every person in the world"
You quote statistics on measles deaths that are worldwide stats not stats in developed nations that have sanitary conditions and adequate food and water supplies. Obviously kids in less developed nations die of measles but it has more to do with their situation and current health. Kids in less developed nations die from the common cold.
You have no long term studies on the total impact of vaccinations on our bodies - this is a fact. You do not know what the effects of all the ingredients in the vaccines will be on a child/adult.
This is not a case of the possibility of a conspiracy - this IS a conspiracy. It is the power of giant pharmas over the media and the general populace. If you pro-vaxers think that they are all so safe - stand up and be counted - get me a picture of yourself and evidence of you having all the childhood vaxs that are currently in place including Gardisil (even if you're a guy). I want to see people who actually stand by the **** they spout not just insulting people who are not happy to be sheep and follow the Govt/Big Pharma line.
Come on then ... I challenge you. Get me proof that you actually aren't just trolls but that you believe in this. Starting now with the vax that they give at birth.
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArt
Now i'm not sure how this 'big pharma conspiracy' will work, presumably they would have made their money from the NHS by making it mandatory but they seem to have failed in this regard, plus what are the ultimate goals of this big pharma plot?
Given that the major damage that vaccines are often thought to cause, usually neurological damage in the form of Autism, them surely 'Big Pharma' has lots of remedies and curatives ready, in order to sell to parents of stricken children to make fat stacks of cash, doesn't it?
NO they don't funnily enough, however supporters of the anti-vaccine movement have plenty of methods to try, ranging from chelation to energy field manipulation to vitamins to dietary programs. All of which cost quite a lot of money, and all of which are of magnificent quackery and can in some cases result in fatalities http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2
This is the precise thing that vaccine prevents:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art
* the pro-vaccine movement has huge financial backing from Big Pharmas and the anti-vax/pro-choice has little
* people who express anti-vax opinions are blocked from sites such as Babyworld etc
These are facts. There is very little opportunity for the new Mum to hear the negative impacts of vaccination - why is it so one-sided. Why are deaths from vaccines hushed up? There have been deaths caused by the MMR - the Govt vaccine injury body has made compensation payments to parents but why does the general public not hear about this?
I argued this point with a Merck vaccine employee who denied that the Govt even had a vaccine injury body - until I showed her proof. Now that's scary.
Gardisil is a vaccine that is available in the US and is currently on the table to become another mandatory vaccine there. How long do you think it will be before the UK follows? You are naive if you think that this is not going to happen.
Chicken Pox vaccine ... this is another one mandatory in the US because it reduces the days people take off work through sickness. This is well-documented too. How long before this one too joins the UK vax schedule? Problem with not getting CP is that you are more likely to get Shingles as an adult - so they now have a Shingles vaccine. And so it will go on.
The UK is on the same path.
How can anyone who is contributing to a discussion on vaccines ask this question? Have you absolutely no idea how much money is involved in vaccines?
MONEY .... they make money dear and lots and lots of it!
Here is a quote from her "Cure for all cancer" book:
I am afraid you have just destroyed your last vestige of crdibility, so you might as well stop posting any more nonsense.
These patented "zappers" will cost you several hundred US dollars, sourced from her quack clinic in Mexico (she is banned from selling any devices in the USA).