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Swine flu Q & A: Is it going to get much worse? Should I try taking Vitamin C?

Q. How infectious is swine flu?

A. In the days since the disease was first reported in Mexico and the US it has spread across the world, triggering the World Health Organisation's decision to raise the pandemic threat from level 3 to level 4 (out of six). Flu is one of the most infectious illnesses known and the WHO has already recognised that the outbreak cannot be contained.

Q. Will we see it spread like ordinary winter seasonal flu?

A. That is not yet clear. Outside Mexico, swine flu has not so far been shown to spread widely in the community. Outbreaks appear to have been caused by travellers returning from Mexico spreading the virus in schools or to their families and close contacts. The first confirmed cases in Britain, Iain and Dawn Askham of Falkirk, Scotland, who had been on honeymoon in Cancun, Mexico, had contact with 22 people in the week since they returned, of whom nine have developed symptoms that could be swine flu.

Q. How bad is it going to get?

A. So far, cases outside Mexico have been mild. No one knows how it is going to develop but the WHO has warned that it would be a mistake to be lulled into a false sense of security. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic started mildly – and went on to kill 20 to 40 million people round the world. "I think we have to be mindful and respectful of the fact that influenza moves in ways we cannot predict," Keiji Fukuda, WHO acting assistant director-general, said.

Q. Could it die away over the summer?

A. Yes – but only temporarily. Swine flu has struck at the end of the winter flu season in the northern hemisphere. Flu normally dies away in summer, only to return the following winter. The reasons are thought to be linked with the increase in ultraviolet light from longer days, which destroys the virus, and the fact that people spend less time huddled together indoors where it is easier to transmit the infection. The worry is that if it subsides over the summer it could return with a vengeance next winter, in a more virulent form. Professor Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College, London, said yesterday that up to 40 per cent of the population in Britain could be infected.

Q. Can I call the national flu line for advice?

A. Not before next autumn. Lord Darzi, health minister, said the dedicated telephone and web based advice service, which would be a key feature of the countries defence against a pandemic helping patients diagnose their symptoms and obtain anti-viral drugs, would not be up and running for six months. The service is supposed to be capable of taking six million calls a week and come on line when the WHO raises the threat level to Phase 5 (it is now Phase 4).

Q. Is it worth taking Vitamin C?

A. Alternative health practitioners of homeopathy, herbal remedies and nutritional medicine are recommending measures to protect against the flu. They are about as useful as a water pistol against a forest fire.

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Q Do masks provide protection against swine flu?

A Yes, but probably not to the person wearing them. They help stop the virus being expelled from the mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing, but are much less effective at protecting the wearer from a virus picked up on the hands or circulating in the air. Wearing a mask thus becomes a public-spirited act.

Q Now swine flu has arrived in Britain how likely is it to spread?

A Highly likely – if it hasn't already. There were 14 suspected cases under investigation in Britain yesterday. It is a new virus, with a combination of genes from pigs, birds and humans, and has proved that it is easily transmitted from human to human. As it is a novel virus, immunity to it is likely to be low and almost anyone could be vulnerable.

Q Should Britain screen travellers at its borders?

A Flu is one of the most infectious illnesses known – one cough by an infected person can transmit the virus to a roomful of people. The disease takes up to seven days to produce symptoms so most travellers would not know they were infected until after they reached their destinations. Screening at airports and land borders may pick up some travellers but the effect would be limited. Politicians like to impose border controls because it shows they are doing something.

Q Will this outbreak develop into a pandemic?

A It has all the hallmarks of one and has already been identified on both sides of the Atlantic. Just how rapidly it is spreading will be confirmed in the coming days. What we don't know is how virulent the virus is. While some victims have died, others have recovered after only a mild bout of illness.

Q What defence do we have against swine flu?

A Better than we did against the last pandemics in 1957 and 1968. We have a stockpile of anti-viral drugs – Tamiflu and Relenza – which we did not have then. We also have a pandemic plan, drawn up by the Government since avian flu became a threat in 2003, which sets out what is to be done – from distributing the drugs and setting up helplines to closing schools and banning public events.

Q Has the pandemic plan ever been tested?

A Yes, in one of the biggest emergency planning exercises since the end of the Cold War that took place in 2007. It involved hundreds of health officials across the country.

Q Are there enough anti-viral drugs?

A Not according to the Tories. The Government says it has over 30 million courses of the drugs, enough for half the population. The Tories say this is not enough if family members of an infected person are to be treated prophylactically. In that case, enough drugs to cover three-quarters of the population will be necessary, they say.

Q How do anti-viral drugs work?

A Two anti-viral drugs have been licensed in Britain in the last decade: Tamiflu and Relenza. The problem with the flu virus is that it is constantly mutating, so a new vaccine has to be produced each year. The anti-viral drugs get round this by targeting not the virus itself but an enzyme that enables the virus to spread from cell to cell. Provided they are taken within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms they can shorten the illness and reduce its severity.

Q What is the difference between Tamiflu and Relenza?

A The big difference is that Tamiflu is taken as a pill while Relenza is inhaled directly into the lungs.

Q Why has the Government got both drugs in its stockpile?

A Because resistance has emerged in flu strains in some countries, rendering the drugs ineffective.

Q What about a vaccine?

A Pandemics tend to happen in waves separated by several months, so a vaccine could potentially be developed against the second or third wave, if they occur. A vaccine first has to be matched to the exact strain of the virus and then incubated in hen's eggs, which may take up to six months. Hundreds of millions of doses would be required which would put huge pressure on the world's laboratories.

Q Shouldn't a vaccine be the first priority?

A Previous vaccines against swine flu have turned out to be worse than the disease. An outbreak in the US in 1976 infected 200 people, of whom 12 were hospitalised and one died. But before it was over 40 million people had been vaccinated, 25 of whom died and 500 of whom developed Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can be fatal.

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Q: What is swine flu?

A: Much the same as human flu – but in pigs. The worry is that pigs are excellent hosts for the virus. And because they are genetically close to humans, they can pass the virus to us more easily than birds can. The great fear over the past decade has been that the avian flu virus, H5N1, would infect pigs which would act as a reservoir for its transmission to humans. Luckily for the world, apart from a few isolated outbreaks, this did not happen.

Q: How worried should we be?

A: At this stage, no one knows. The virus that has caused the outbreak is a strain of the H1N1 type that contains bird, pig and human genes in a combination never seen before. Immunity to it will thus be limited. Scientists are working to establish the precise nature of the virus, the symptoms it causes and its capacity to cause disease and death.

Q Has swine flu infected humans before?

A: Yes. There have been rare cases since the 1950s, mostly in people such as farmers who work directly with pigs. In Europe, 17 cases have been reported since 1958. In the US, an outbreak at a military camp in New Jersey in 1976, infected over 200 soldiers, of which 12 were hospitalised and one died.

Q What are the symptoms of swine flu?

A: Similar to ordinary human flu – cough, sudden fever, headache, muscle pains. In severe cases, it may lead to pneumonia, multi-organ failure, and death. The incubation period for ordinary human flu is two to five days.

Q: Can it be treated?

A: Yes – up to a point. Early indications are that patients in Mexico and the US have been successfully treated with the antiviral drugs Tamiflu and Relenza. These drugs cannot prevent flu but they can limit its severity, and thus save lives, if taken as soon as symptoms develop. However, the swine flu has proved resistant to older anti-virals such as amantadine.

Q: Is Britain prepared for a pandemic?

A: Better than it was five years ago. A pandemic plan has been prepared detailing action by everyone from pharmacists, who will hand out anti-viral drugs, to hospitals handling the seriously ill, to mortuaries which may have to be temporarily expanded. Over 14 million courses of Tamiflu have been stockpiled and the Government announced last year it was doubling the amount to provide enough for half the population.

Q: How bad might a pandemic be?

A: At its worst, it could have a devastating global impact, greater than a terrorist attack, nuclear accident or environmental disaster. The World Health Organisation estimates that a mild pandemic could cause up to 7.5 million deaths. In the UK, Sir Liam Donaldson, the Government's Chief Medical Officer, has said that in the worst case scenario the country could face up to 750,000 deaths. However, in the flu pandemics of 1957 and 1968 most victims recovered. There was no panic, cities did not empty, travel did not come to a halt and economies weren't devastated. Each of those pandemics killed 50,000 people in the UK and around one million worldwide. In a normal year, flu kills 12,000 to 20,000 mainly elderly people in Britain and 250,000 around the world.

Q: Who is at greatest risk?

A: In Mexico, the virus appears to be targeting those aged 20 to 40. This is not unusual – the same occurred during the worst pandemic of the last century, in 1918, when 20 to 40 million people died. Young healthy people with strong immune systems react most powerfully to the virus but the very strength of their reaction produces inflammation and secretions in the lungs which can be overwhelming. In the US, the virus appears to be targeting children who are suffering only mild illness. The difference in the two countries is so far unexplained. One hypothesis is that a second virus may be circulating in Mexico which is interacting with the swine flu virus to produce more severe symptoms.

Q: How can I protect my family?

A: By acquiring a stock of anti-viral drugs such as Tamiflu or Relenza, available only on prescription at an NHS cost of around £20 for a course of 10 doses (enough for one person). Otherwise, the best defence is strict personal hygiene. It is hard to better the advice printed by the 'News Of the World' on 3 November 1918: "Wash inside nose with soap and water night and morning; force yourself to sneeze night and morning, then breathe deeply. Do not wear a muffler, take sharp walks regularly and walk home from work; eat plenty of porridge." Porridge is, of course, a known cure-all – but the rest of the advice holds as true today as it did then.

Q: Is there a vaccine against it?

A: Not in humans (there is in pigs). Ordinary seasonal flu vaccine for humans might offer some protection because there are similarities between the H1N1 human flu viruses and the new H1N1 pig flu virus. Investigations are under way to see if the seasonal vaccine would have a protective effect but those will "take some time".

Q: Why has this outbreak started in Mexico and the US?

A: No one knows, but it is certainly a surprise. The next threat was expected to come from the Far East. Avian flu has spread through poultry populations, and 400 humans have been infected, 250 of whom have died. Health experts warned that a small mutation to the virus could turn a rare but lethal disease into one which could threaten the entire planet. Now, the threat has emerged – but on the other side of the world.

Q: Is it safe to eat pork?

A: Yes. Cooking destroys the virus.

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[info]johnnewell wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 01:12 am (UTC)
How do you know that homeopathic remedies are " as useful as a water pistol
against a forest fire"? Have you interviewed a Homeopathic phycian?

John Newell
@johnnewell
[info]onlypostingonce wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 03:26 am (UTC)
Homeopathy has never been independently proven effective beyond the placebo effect. Taking vitamins and such that boost your immuse system would probably lessen the severity and duration of the illness, but do nothing to prevent it.
And interviewing a Homeopathic phycian would do you no good because it's in their best interest that you buy their snake oils.
Re: @johnnewell
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 05:09 am (UTC)
Well its good enough for the Queen and look how old she is now, fit and healthy too...
Snake Oil
[info]tatcawh wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 06:56 am (UTC)
Do you need to interview Paul Daniels to know that he doesn't really have magic powers?
(no subject) - [info]thomas_66 - Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 02:26 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]aimless_in_co wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 09:20 pm (UTC)
If what they say is true, and a healthier, stronger immune system causes a hyperimmune response that greatens your risk for death...wouldn't you be better off to avoid boosting it for now? Especially if you fall in the 20 to 40 age range? I say, early intervention is the best key to survival. No one is talking about the fact that Mexico isn't treating its patients with antiviral medicines. Most of the deaths there occurred before or shortly after they even figured out what the illness was. The US is also bearing the burden of one death...a Mexican child who had a fever for 5 days before seeking treatment. Had he gotten an earlier intervention, he may still be alive. Treatment needs to start by the second day of symptoms. Why is Mexico suffering a harder hit? Because they aren't treating it well or soon enough. Not that hard to figure out.
What about an internet information site?
[info]sergio_montes wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 03:25 am (UTC)
We know that it would take much less money and workforce to set up an internet swine flue information site... when then? what's going on here?
SWINE FLU ..THE END OF CIVILIZATION ?
[info]proffwilliams wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 03:49 am (UTC)
my name is professor williams im at dept of biology oxford..my feelings are that this swine flu will become a epidemic of global proportions in a very short time..the prospect of this flu becoming an airbourne virus with the ability to rapidly spread after becoming airbourne is propable..also the Effects of genetic mutation is likely...thus becoming even more potent and with the abilily to cause global effect as never seen before...
Re: SWINE FLU ..THE END OF CIVILIZATION ?
[info]onlypostingonce wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 04:40 am (UTC)
(I lost my 1st post, sorry if I end up double posting)
1. epidemic of global proportions: do you mean a 'pandemic'?
2. the Effects of genetic mutation is likely: doesn't make any sense
3. as never seen before: there have been 3 flu pandemics in the last 100 years (look at the answer to the third question)
I don't see how your fear mongering benefits anyone 'professor'
Re: SWINE FLU ..THE END OF CIVILIZATION ?
[info]proffwilliams wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:19 am (UTC)
1..yes
2..genetic mutation is the result of genes from the virus changing to become more virilant and thus able to become more dangerous in the effect..
3..the world has become a much smaller place due to air travel since the previos pandemics, thus the global effect will be far more severe..
(no subject) - [info]thomas_66 - Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 10:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Not C but D...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 05:11 am (UTC)
The activated form of vitamin D (1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D) attaches to receptors on genes that control their expression, which turn protein production on or off. Vitamin D regulates the expression of more than 1,000 genes throughout the body. They include ones in macrophages, cells in the immune system that, among other things, attack and destroy viruses. Vitamin D switches on genes in macrophages that make antimicrobial peptides, antibiotics the body produces. Like antibiotics, these peptides attack and destroy bacteria; but unlike antibiotics, they also attack and destroy viruses.

Don't remember Vitamin C doing all that...
Re: Not C but D...
[info]peterwarrender wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
Vitamin D from sunlight and Cod liver oil (which is also rich in vitamin A) are excellent, but so is high dose Vitamin C. Combine them. What have you got to lose. Stay well friends
Colloidal Silver
[info]peterwarrender wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
Research it. It could save your lives.
Vitamin C
[info]peterwarrender wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 07:16 am (UTC)
Taking Vitamin C powder 1000mg 3 times a day would certainly help any type of cold or Flu. Buy it by the Kilo. A tea spoon of MSM is excellent if you combine it with the C. Chewing raw Garlic on a sandwich will help considerably. It is worth taking all of this stuff before any threat of Flu as a immune system boost. Keep well friends. Colloidal Silver if you get infected.
Re: Vitamin C
[info]clickety6 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 12:33 pm (UTC)
As the virus seems to hit those with a good immune system hardest, what do you recommend to depress an immune system? :-)
Re: Vitamin C
[info]dostoyevsky01 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 01:45 pm (UTC)
late nights, fags, recreational drugs and tons of booze! lol
Re: Vitamin C
[info]peterwarrender wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 03:14 pm (UTC)
With a strong immune system, you have a chance to fight infections. I would prefer to take Vitamins C+D any day, than risk a shot of Tamiflu or Relenza. I should imagine all the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic had suppressed immune systems, after coming out of a world war.
Homeopathy - what utter nonsense!
[info]littletnt wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 07:40 am (UTC)
Because everone with even a smidgen of sense knows that homeopathetic treatments are useless rubbish believed only by crystal rubbing acupuncturing reki aura astrologers who live in a little tree hugging fairyland! What a bewildering waste of time and energy! Catch yourself on! Mj
Re: Homeopathy - what utter nonsense!
[info]staranise4flu wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 12:11 pm (UTC)
EVIDENCE FOR ACUPUNCTURE, CHECK OUT ACUPUNCTURE POSITRON EMMISSION TOPOGRAPHY
Acquiring Tamiflu
[info]vigilant6 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC)
You should not be able to "acquire a stock of anti-viral drugs such as Tamiflu or Relenza," because, as you point out in your Question and Answer, these are prescription drugs, and GPs should not be writing out prescriptions for them when there is as yet no widespread outbreak of so-called swine influenza. The only way to obtain a supply of Tamiflu or Relenza in this country is to persuade a private doctor (at a cost) to write out a prescription which you then take to a pharmacist. Otherwise, you have to use on-line chemists, most of which do not require prescriptions to sell Tamiflu and Relenza at hugely inflated prices. You could be buying potentially dangerous fake drugs or useless mixtures of talcum powder and water.
The utter bile
[info]dostoyevsky01 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:55 am (UTC)
...written by those against trying an alternative therapy, why such bile? Why such anger? It reminds me of the 'view' that often rampant homophobes are secret homosexuals. Why do you protest so much. Aspirin (e.g. found in Salicylate-rich willow bark extract and used for centuries) is a naturally occurring remedy and shown to be fantastic for many uses. Perhaps you bile throwers should stop taking aspirins and keep on feeding the drug companies habits.

Vitamin D is great, Oregano Oil (but not for pregnant women) is also great.

I'd much rather put these supplements in my body than Tamiflu or some other horrible concoction provided to us by companies backed by people such as the satanist warmongerer Donald Rumsfeld.

In 1976 there was an outbreak:- The following passage is taken from "Crab Wars: A Tale of Horseshoe Crabs, Bioterrorism, and Human Health," by William Sargent, 2002, University Press of New England, 124 pages.

"The Rumsfeld history starts in 1976, when a military recruit in New Jersey died from a flu that experts speculated might be the "swine flu" virus of 1918 pandemic fame. As Sargent tells it, Rumsfeld, who was then and is again the nation's secretary of defense, made the imminent "swine flu" a political issue to add some spark to the campaign of President Ford, an interim leader without a cause. At Rumsfeld's urging, the administration would ensure that "every man, woman and child" was vaccinated. Huge amounts of vaccine were produced and distributed quickly.

Some batches were contaminated. This was in the days before lysate. Six hundred people sickened and 52 died. The program was stopped a month after the election.

And nobody got swine flu. "

Do your research.
There is a lot of chatter on the Internet that this latest outbreak is man made. It is not beyond the realms of believability given than the current administration readily admits to use of torture and starting illegal wars.
Homeopathy
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC)
There have breen some trials on homeopathy including a well publicised Swiss trial a couple of years ago. They are equally as effective as a placebo, no more no less. Take the sugar pill but don't bother with adding the homoeopathic drops and you get the same result.

Much alternative medicine has some effectiveness but homeopathy is not amongst those that work.
Notorious PIG flu
[info]achmelchett wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 12:56 pm (UTC)
Oh no an easy treatable disease lets panic.
Or in the words of Malcolm Tucker :
" Piggy oh piggy can't you see some how you just hypnotize me "
swine flu
[info]vikingfan13 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 02:38 pm (UTC)
There is evidence that Vitamin D3 may help protect against flu.
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Forget-C-D-may-be-the-vitamin-for-cold-and-flu-protection-Study/

Try iherb and use this code for a $5 discount CUN526
Avian flu and Baxter Pharmaceuticals
[info]livingindread wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 05:55 pm (UTC)
The utter bile
[info]dostoyevsky01 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:55 am (UTC)

Excellent post.
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Now folks

Avian flu and Baxter Pharmaceuticals

As reported by multiple sources last month, including the Times of India, vaccines contaminated with deadly live H5N1 avian flu virus were distributed to 18 countries last December by a lab at an Austrian branch of Baxter.This is the same firm commissioned to produce two million of the 3.5 million doses ordered to inoculate front line staff.Pharmaceutical firm Chiron has also been commissioned but doubts have been raised about Chiron as its Liverpool factory was shut down for six months in 2004 because of concerns that its flu vaccines had been contaminated.

So please google the following.

1 "Avian flu and Baxter Pharmaceuticals"

2 "Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland"

3 "Pandemic Alert: Deadly Swine Flu about to Explode?"

4 "Baxter To Develop Swine Flu Vaccine Despite Bird Flu Scandal "

5 " Jabs for everyone if avian flu pandemic strikes? !

6 " Colloidal silver, h202, Dr Bob Beck "

I will leave you to draw your own conclusions. Lets just say no one is getting near me with a needle.
There is so much info out there if you will only take the time to look, it may just save your life.
Time to wake up folks.
Re: Avian flu and Baxter Pharmaceuticals
[info]onlypostingonce wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 10:52 pm (UTC)
Wow, do Homeopathy classes come with a free tin hat?
May I point out that many people have also died indirectly through homeopathy from not seeking proper medical attention.
Vitamin supplements have been proven to have limited effectiveness in people who are not deficient(Placebo effect, they think they SHOULD be healthier)
They should call it placebopathy
Can one of you guys throw up a link to a INDEPENDANT study showing the effectiveness of homeopathy from a solid source, or did 'THE MAN' take them all down?
Proff Williams Ey?
[info]zdecent wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 11:49 pm (UTC)
Well my name is Doctor Doofenshmirtz and it is my personal opinion that this swine flu triggers the cannibalistic area of the brain which encourages people to consume both the dead... and the living. It is also being proved that the swine flu can in fact re-animate the deceased and also make them impervious to all forms of welfare other than disconnecting their brain with the rest of their body. This can be done through use of military weaponry, speeding cars, sword/knife-like utilities and of cause super awesome Jackie Chan fighting skills. In the event you contract swine flu, please be sure to share a 30 second emotional moment with a close friend before they proceed to stab you to death.

Sound farmiliar anyone? So what peeps, we get Flu coming around almost every year! and yes, we have enough vaccines for half the nation. Lets look at the good side for once? We're well stocked, the flu has only a 2% death rate, it's been cured, and we're well informed. So lets try and stay away from the main media sources, trying to scare us and get us to buy more papers, and instead stay focused on what we know... Just to prove a point, the last line of the Metro article on the second day of outbreak reads: "'The economic crisis, the illness and now this - it feels like the apocalypse,' said Sarai Pajas,22" RIDICULOUS!
Re: Proff Williams Ey?
[info]daveozsydney wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
I agree with Peter, Colloidal Silver is a great natural defence against viruses (and bacterial infections).

It was in common use up until the late 1930s when penicillin was cheaper to manufacturer for antibacterial so slipped by the wayside, although silver is used to treat the insides of fridges and surgical instruments for it's anti-bacterial properties.

Perhaps someone should be testing this on this new virus as it definitely works on 'normal' influenza. If anyone needs a good supplier I would recommend Perfect Shape in the UK as they deliver high quality silver next day. http://www.perfect-shape.co.uk/Colloidal-Silver-250ml-p-38.html
Otherwise anyone who sells Rivers of Health silver as that's not bad too.
pigs
[info]adfd2006 wrote:
Tuesday, 5 May 2009 at 06:28 pm (UTC)
if we are afraid that the virus mutate inside the pigs, why we didnt kill all the pigs in the world, and not keep a single one, what will happens if we kill them all? we will die cause we will not eat their meat? no ofcourse. it is proven that the pigs has a very huge number of diseses that can affect humans.God says not to eat them, cause he knows what can their presence do to us, so why we didnt do something God orders us to do.


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