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Messing with your head: Does the man behind Neuro-Linguistic Programming want to change your life – or control your mind?

You got a problem? Go see Richard Bandler. As the founder of the controversial, multi-billion-dollar therapy NLP, he can get inside your head, and quick. But how did a former cocaine user and murder suspect become a guru to over 30,000 people in the UK? Kate Burt signs up for a session

Mind games: Richard Bandler is the co-creator of the modern self-help phenomenon Neuro-Linguistic Programming

PRESTON MACK

Mind games: Richard Bandler is the co-creator of the modern self-help phenomenon Neuro-Linguistic Programming

How, exactly, does one go about interviewing a man who has dedicated his life's work to the art of mind control? Are difficult questions going to be swept under a carpet of charm? Can his answers be trusted? Will this piece, mysteriously, write itself as a glowing appraisal?

All of which are valid considerations in advance of meeting Richard Bandler. Bandler is the American co-creator of the modern self-help phenomenon Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), a discipline developed to quick-fix life's problems by "reprogramming" one's brain. In crude terms, NLP explores the relationships between how we think (neuro), how we communicate (linguistic) and our patterns of behaviour and emotions (programmes). The idea is that, by studying these relationships, people can adopt more successful ways of thinking, communicating, feeling and behaving.

Even if you think you don't know much about NLP, the chances are you'll have witnessed it at work in instant phobia cures, shouty-titled management-skills books, "life coaching" and those unsettling conversations with sales people who seem to be mirroring your every move (because they quite possibly are – it's a classic NLP trick). Bandler has mentored Britain's favourite change-your-life hypnotist, Paul McKenna, and his work has influenced illusionist and master mindbender Derren Brown. Bandler himself still teaches NLP regularly, and claims to be able to "erase" traumatic memories, improve your relationships and even ' "cure" schizophrenia and paralysis (he taught himself to walk again using NLP after a stroke put him in a wheelchair).

Since Bandler invented NLP in the 1970s, it has grown into a multi-billion-dollar industry, influencing the way many people now understand psychology and psychotherapy (cognitive behavioural therapy, the increasingly popular "fast-track" style of psychotherapy, shares certain principles with NLP). But what inspired NLP's founding father to create an alternative to traditional psychotherapy, and does he practise what he preaches? What, too, of NLP's patients – or "students" as Bandler prefers to call them – are they in safe hands?

Some people don't think so: critics have accused Bandler of everything from running a cult, failing to provide scientific evidence for his claims and brainwashing his clients. He's admitted drug abuse and even stood trial for murder. But in NLP circles Bandler is hailed as a sort of Messiah; indeed, while researching this piece, I lost count of the number of times I was told by its proponents that "NLP changed my life". Which is surprising, perhaps, given our national, deep-rooted suspicion of anyone too happy or self-assured, and antipathy towards motivational speakers, self-help gurus and the sorts of people who run "positivity workshops". And NLP practitioners – whose vocabulary is littered with phrases such as "installing strategies", "behavioural technologies", "cybernetics", "deletion", "content reframing" and "hypnosis" – seem scarier than most. Yet NLP is big business in the UK. The movement's not-for-profit representative body here claims that there are "at least 30,000 qualified NLP practitioners in the UK".

"It amazes me some of the stories I hear about myself," says Bandler, 59, a smartly dressed stocky man with piercing blue eyes and longish grey hair, a little thin on top, wearing a bulky gold and gemstone ring. I meet him in a bland, corporate-style hotel in Orlando, Florida, where he is speaking at a nine-day course – one of many he runs each year – to teach others the "tools" of NLP. "One student told me someone had said, 'Don't go to Richard, all he wants to do is control everyone.'" Another critic, he says, claimed Bandler beat up his students. He sniffs briskly: "But all I have ever tried to do is make people happier."

Bandler's ideas were revolutionary. In the wake of the Summer of Love, as a university student in Santa Cruz, California, he joined forces with a young linguistics professor called John Grinder. Pooling their passions – neuroscience, Noam Chomsky, hypnosis and early information technology – they created the NLP blueprint and began gathering case studies. The over-arching motivation was scorn for traditional schools of psychotherapy – a burgeoning American industry at the time. "How is forcing a person to relive a bad experience going to help them get over it? It's just cruel," says Bandler.

Each day of the course, Bandler leads the morning session with a demonstration and a talk (Grinder is long since out of the picture; the pair acrimoniously parted ways following a bitter copyright lawsuit in 1997 – proof that even NLP experts don't have solutions for everything). At 10am on the dot, the hotel conference-room doors open to a loud blast of emphatically upbeat synth music: our call to action. As students amble towards their seats, some do jiggly little dance steps, others clap to the beat; there are sporadic whoops of enthusiasm. Of the 100-odd here for the course, people have travelled from as far afield as England, Japan, Australia, Turkey and Baghdad. Others have volunteered to be course assistants, paying their own flights and accommodation, just to be close to Bandler. (Which is not all that surprising when one considers that "students" can pay up to £10,000 for one of his intimate, three-day courses.) I'm intrigued to see him in action.

"How many of you are not artistic?" he asks from the stage, Hands are raised. "Is that because you weren't born with the 'art gene'?" It's a leading question. A table on the stage is kitted out with brushes, paints and paper and four non- artistic volunteers are plucked to sit at it, then put into a trance. "Every time you hear yourself saying 'I'm not the kind of person who...'," he murmurs to the budding artists, "I want you to laugh because it's just like masturbating one stroke at a time, it'll never get you there..." This is typical of the way Bandler talks. Crude quips, detailed anecdotes and seemingly random digressions spill out relentlessly, punctuated by sound effects, imitations and expletives. There's the one about how he punched a man ("Thwack!") who hit his own daughter because she was speaking to invisible angels (the girl was cured, naturally, by Bandler); the smut (the following day on stage he'll motivate a young man to clear out his garage by thinking about breasts) and the tales to discredit psychotherapists (cue the account of the time he smuggled rubber snakes into a schizophrenic's shower at a mental hospital to prove that he didn't require drugs for sanity, but simply the opportunity to differentiate between hallucinated and actual serpents).

"You all know my cure for schizophrenia is to alter reality not hallucinations," he says to his audience. "A lot of patients with mental issues simply don't have proper strategies." He's a little scary, but his thinking is persuasive. And it seems to be working on stage,too – the budding artists are – surprise surprise – confidently expressing themselves via the medium of acrylic paint. There had been similar turnarounds at the end of yesterday's session: the woman from Baghdad who thanked Bandler for "giving [her] life back" after he'd erased a horrific image from her mind; the delegate who had been petrified of heights but, by day three, was embracing several of Orlando's most dramatic rollercoasters. It's like watching a cross between Bernard Manning and Jesus.

Bandler doesn't work alone on these seminars. Also travelling with him are husband and wife John and Kathleen LaValle, who run his NLP training business and met Bandler around 20 years ago when they took one of his courses. John, a corporate coach, who specialises in NLP for business, is an imposing New Jersey native with the thick Sopranos accent to match, a ponytail and a fondness for Hawaiian shirts and Gothic bling. He fell for NLP while searching for a "better way to train" explains his lovely wife Kathleen (blonde with a streak of purple – NLP is also all about recognising the individual). She joined John after noticing that "communication at home really improved" since he encountered Bandler. Her sweet nature seems strangely at odds with the fact that one of her specialist areas is "sales and influence" – the area of NLP that involves techniques such as "mirroring" and "pacing" (matching the way someone else communicates, essentially, to get what you want from them).

"Richard may not be famous to the average person – but if you know NLP, he's a celebrity," confides Kathleen over a glass of Merlot later that evening. "He's the Tom Cruise of the industry." Given his Messiah-like reputation, he must get some interesting fans, I suggest... "Uh-huh. There are some pretty whacked-out types who'll go up to his [hotel]

room at three or four in the morning," she says, "or claim to be an old friend and try to get his number. We have to be careful." Some people also want to hassle him, she adds, particularly on religious grounds. "They think that fate is something you can't control. They get angry."

In life, Bandler has certainly wanted to control his own fate, it seems. "My mother is a wonderful person," he says of his childhood, "but she married a few bad drunks." He grew up in a tough part of New Jersey and says that, as a child, he had "every bone in his body broken by adults". His musician father "just took off one day" and they've never had a relationship. He sounds like a psychotherapist's dream. Is it his bad childhood that gave him the drive to help other people to get over difficulties? "Excuse me," he says, leaning forward, indignant. "The fact I was beaten up by adults as a child means I've never laid a hand on my kids. This nonsense about if your parents are alcoholics you're going to be an alcoholic – that's a bad post-hypnotic suggestion to live by."

But he does talk a lot about violence, I suggest. "I can be violent," he says bluntly. "If someone attacks me I will hurt them – and any person who's a pussy is frightened by that. I've popped a few shrinks, but I've never hit one hard enough to knock him down. [And] I've slapped a client across the face – just to wake him up, but I never hit 'em hard enough to leave a mark. In the supermarket I whacked some guy with a can of peas – but he was beating the crap out of a six-year-old kid." One can't imagine it helped his case when, in 1988, Bandler was charged with the murder of a woman – Corine Christensen, a prostitute and NLP student – shot dead in the face with Bandler's gun, while only he and a friend, allegedly his cocaine dealer, were present. The publicity surrounding the case painted him as a nasty piece of work.

"What pisses me off," he says, is that none of this has anything to do with any of the good work I've done." Bandler says he was set up for the murder (and, accordingly, the court acquitted him – "in 20 minutes!" he points out). "And yes, I took coke for a while. But I also went on a binge of Hershey bars for a while too, and I was addicted to peanuts for a year, probably far more than I was to cocaine." He doesn't shy away from discussing the case, and yet he has a way of being "upfront" about things that is quite disconcerting.

One thing (among many, it seems) that winds Bandler up is when people criticise him for not being perfect. "Well, I've got news for you," he says, "if I wasn't this imperfect I wouldn't have had room for improvement." He used to get irritated when people pulled him up for smoking – a habit NLP is popular for ridding people of. "I knew how to stop, I just didn't want to!" he says. "I'm not trying to get people to be enlightened. I'm not a guru. I'm not even terribly sociable, to tell you the truth." This is also part of the reason he says that he shies away from television: "I want to be able to walk down the street." Then he smiles: "Paul [McKenna] loves all that, though. The autographs, his phone constantly ringing. He's just moved to the Hollywood Hills and it suits him."

The two met after McKenna came along to a seminar and was so impressed that he immediately booked out his diary for three weeks to complete the whole course. "He was a good student – and it's really changed his career," says Bandler. "He used just to be a stage hypnotist – now he's a real agent for change." Bandler tells a story of the time they went for dinner in London and McKenna was glued to his mobile. "In the end I went to the bathroom and called him – it was the only way I could get his attention."

It's hard to steer Bandler off rambling anecdotes that don't a) belittle psychotherapists, and b) illustrate the successes of his work – but when you do, he talks affectionately about his family and how he feels his greatest achievement – far greater than inventing NLP – was his long marriage (to his late wife, Polly, who died after a long illness eight years ago) and raising two well-balanced children who don't need to use NLP. He beams when he describes how lucky he is to have recently been remarried, to Glenda, a good-looking doctor who has "whipped [him] into shape".

But just when you think you're getting to know Bandler, he's off on a tangent: safety on the streets of New York, John Lennon's murder, the time he "installed" vegetable phobias into a room full of vegans because they hadn't let him eat meat all day... Talking to Bandler one to one is much like listening to him on stage. "I've no secrets, nothing to hide," he cheerfully points out (I'm no NLP expert, but surely that's a phrase that should ring linguistic alarm bells).

And yet, open as he appears to be, there's a sense that the stuff you hear is somehow a well-managed distraction from the stuff you don't. Which, of course, given his vocation, is precisely what one would expect.

Back in the UK, I track down a few Brits who've been "Bandlered", hoping for some dirt. No luck: they are universally evangelical. "He put me in a trance," recalls one woman. "I don't remember what happened, I just remember Richard saying: 'The floodgates of happiness are now open.' Then he touched my face and from that moment all of the rubbish of my life suddenly went," she says. "It was weird."

It's a common reaction. In Orlando, over a conference break for lunch, there was a moment when a concerned-looking student, also a highly successful business coach, came over having seen me scribble down some of Bandler's rhetoric. "I'm not a groupie," she began, "but I just wanted to say that when I first heard Richard speak – all that sexual innuendo and stuff, I was offended and appalled. But it's deliberate, you know. It's all to create a heightened state – a state in which you're more aware. All the while he's talking, he's changing brain chemistry and implanting ideas. Since I've done you a favour," she continued carefully, "perhaps you might be kind enough to send me a copy of your piece."

It was probably a perfectly innocent request, but it was impossible not to wonder whether I was being NLP-ed.

Richard Bandler is in the UK from October (www.nlplife training.com for details) and is taking part in the Successful and Happy seminar in London (www.theukco.com). His book 'Get the Life You Want (£9.99, Harper Collins) is out now

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Derren Brown is influenced by this guy.
[info]jozentall wrote:
Saturday, 22 August 2009 at 11:46 pm (UTC)
Derren Brown said in his book that NLP was an equivalent to a pyramid scheme. Bandler went to court over it and Brown backed down to avoid the hassle. For a guy who's been a drug addict, an alcoholic, through endless legal battles, divorce and is clearly not in control of his weigh it's kind of ironic he's constantly selling self help / life styling classes.
[info]gerry3273 wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 03:30 am (UTC)
"[H]e "installed" vegetable phobias into a room full of vegans because they hadn't let him eat meat all day."

It sounds like the vegan NLP students were themselves rather successful at installing a small-minded streak into Mr Bandler's head.

"In the supermarket [Bandler] whacked some guy with a can of peas".

This guy strongly associates vegetables with violence. Perhaps his stunt with the vegan group backfired.


[info]tonysmyth wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 04:14 am (UTC)
Its easy to sneer but NLP has made huge differences in many peoples lives. Besides therapy, its influence in communications, politics and business grows each year. Why? because it gets results. Find out more about it before the cheap uninformed sneer.
[info]gerry3273 wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 02:34 pm (UTC)
Excuse me, Tony. I don't know whether your comment was directed at mine or at the one above, but I was not sneering at NLP. I know people who work with NLP and it can indeed be very effective. Rather, I was poking fun at someone who comes over in this interview as rather boorish.
nlp
[info]jorgec wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 07:46 am (UTC)
The government use NLP constantly. Political correctness is a form of NLP. The problem is that you can only be programmed if you are a weak-minded robot!
Xxxxx
Re: NLP works best on the intelligent
[info]old_green wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
No, NLP works best not on the 'weak-willed' but on the open-minded and intelligent.

This is what makes NLP so dangerous if abused.

It has frequently beeen alleged that NLP is used/abused by the organisation Common Purpose.

The distortion of words and meaning in 'political correctness' has been alleged to be a major part of the method.
Re: NLP works best on the intelligent
[info]jorgec wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 11:35 am (UTC)
Not weak-willed,weak-minded and subject to a definition of intelligent. :-)
Re: NLP works best on the intelligent
[info]jorgec wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
...And how open your mind is to governmental bulls***.
NLP - a health warning!
[info]jartisay wrote:
Sunday, 23 August 2009 at 12:52 pm (UTC)
I worked with some NLP'ers about 10 yrs ago and found them to be the hardest people.

There seemed to be no understanding of the greater good nor ability to work together. There was a coldness and lack of depth of compassion, which in a therapeutic setting, I found surprising; and this lead to many difficulties in the business.

It was as if their egos were more important than the clients welfare, and their wages more important than ensuring good practice. I sensed drive over intuitiveness.

I felt that the NLP caused conflict especially in mothers - to be working and successful and happy in themselves but this then caused problems because it left a vacuum at home for the children who then were unhappy so the mothers then seemed confused and distressed. And worryingly the mothers would turn to the NLP for answers, taking more time and money away from home, rather than dealing with their problematic children. Obviously this type of neuro-linguistic communication doesn't work on toddlers, children or teenagers....

It seems to me that NLP is a self centered therapy. If you can blot out the bad things then you are happy.

This is very selfish and does not promote selflessness or healing or forgiving or any depth of understanding for others or our own suffering. How can society proceed where all are persuasively go-getting? there would be no room for mourning, for love, for obsession, for waffling eccentrics and geniouses, for poetry and failure - from which knowledge and learning stem.

No doubt NLP has helped some, sometimes, but it is an immature concept open to abuse, and not to be idolised!

Re: NLP - a health warning!
[info]chris_in_oz wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 12:45 am (UTC)
It seems to me that NLP is a self centered therapy. If you can blot out the bad things then you are happy.

Actually NLP is not a therapy. However one of many applications of NLP is to therapy. I use NLP in management and organisational change. Others use applications of NLP to parenting, sports performance, presentation skills, coaching, and negotiation. In our post-graduate program in NLP the Graduate Certificate in Neuro-Linguistic Programming. That's the equivalent of a post-graduate certificate in the UK system. We have psychologists and counsellors who train with us and then use NLP for therapy.
CBT?
[info]shiori79 wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 12:08 am (UTC)
I'm concerned that this article throws in a reference to the popular but far more reputable and critically accepted methods of cognitive behavioural therapy, without giving any detail as to what the link is to NLP. Many vulnerable people are treated with CBT, but given the tone of this story and the lack of clarity, there is a risk that those people will panic that they're being treated with some mind-washing technique invented by Bandler. That the Independent has not anticipated that risk seems rather naive and irresponsible.
Definition of NLP
[info]chris_in_oz wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC)
I see that there is a quote from my website in the article; "NLP explores the relationships between how we think (neuro), how we communicate (linguistic) and our patterns of behaviour and emotion (programmes)". See http://www.inspiritive.com.au/nlp.htm . I wrote this as part of my definition of Neuro-Linguistic Programming some years ago. I am aware that this definition has been reproduced on many websites. That is the nature of the internet. Though it would be great if people in the NLP community referenced their writing.
- Chris Collingwood
Re: Definition of NLP
[info]tonysmyth wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
This idea that NLP (and indeed hypnotherapy), is about 'brain-washing' is way off the mark. NLP is about using language and the power of the subconcious mind to give MORE AND BETTER CHOICE, not less. A lot of the assumptions above feature the mistaken causation that Bandler is disreputable, therefore NLP must be so as well. So Bandler took drugs in his youth? - big deal. Didn't you? He's in his 60s now. Picasso was mean to his women, that doesnt mean his paintings aren't masterpieces.

Also, NLP does not just come from Bandler - it is strongly influenced by the work of Fritz Pearls, Milton Erikson, Virginia Satir, Gregory Bateson, co-founder John Grinder and others well respected in their individual fields, and has been expanded and diversified by many talents in the NLP field over a 25 year period. Do you really imagine it could have grown at the rate it has if it didn't get results?

Why are you British so keen to criticise and assume the worst? ( I am of course assuming most posting here are British). NLP is an extremely valuable tool in giving people more choices and happier lives. To sample the range of what is possible, try reading 'Heart of the Mind' by Steve and Connirae Andreas.
Re: Definition of NLP
[info]fcukinegnlish wrote:
Thursday, 19 November 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC)
Generalisers and distorters tonysmyth... there is no point in trying to tackle the solution at the same level it was created - for one, ignorance is a verb not a noun. Do the right thing tonysmyth, let mediocrity breed like a virus. It's more fun to watch than to be dragged down :))
Messing with your head: Does the man behind Neuro-Linguistic Programming want to change your life ?
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
Richard Bandler is in the UK from October (www.nlplife training.com for details) and is taking part in the Successful and Happy seminar in London (www.theukco.com). His book 'Get the Life You Want (£9.99, Harper Collins) is out now
Have you been to the barber? He has done COBOL and Basics. He talks to the king. ?Move your head on the right. No. Not the left, (stupid) my left. Now keep your(bloody smelling) neck stiff or the razor is sharp, please it may cut more hair(your ears) then the queen will be very annoyed with you(and I will not get the chance to sleep with her) now just a little right, Yes that is just fine Go to 10. Cls (no see the mirror (you fool) then just wee, wee bit here and wee bit there for ten minutes. PRN. Now knock 20. Does it sound solid (no brains) &
Dangerous High School Girls
in Trouble, where am I?
http://jayisgames.com/archives/2008/07/dangerous_high_school_girls_in_trouble.php
NLP. I am in the room of the Psychiatrists with petty nurses. I tried the NLP. Just does not work. You know that old woman in black and there in the hair a pretty lady. Now Stephen Covey after twenty days tells me that.
Richard trying to sell books to us EH? Bad boy.
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
Hijacking the imagination
[info]drlizmiller wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
NLP is about learning to use (and other peoples') imagination. It is not a "magic" skill, it is about imagining what might happen eg - if you are scared of spiders, you can use your imagination to help you overcome your fear.

Most advertising is about imagination - getting the victim to imagine themselves driving the car, eating the snack.

Therapy again can use the imagination - to think about alternative ways a situation might have worked out, to think what you need to feel better about a situation

If you use the word imagination instead of NLP a - you will understand what NLP means, and b - realise that Bandler didn't invent the imagination, only ways to use it

THE MORE 'BANDLERED' THE BETTER, for ALL of us !
[info]louiefree wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
I'd like to commend The Independent for 'doing' this piece on Dr Bandler. Richard has been on my radio show a number of times.
I've had many,many letters attesting to the success of Richard's work .
As someone who's spent WAY too much time 'spinning my wheels' with incompetent so-called therapists-sometimes a quick shift in consciousness, a re-direction, can be THE most helpful to a better life!
~Louie b. Free
host: Brainfood from the Heartland
Re: THE MORE 'BANDLERED' THE BETTER, for ALL of us !
[info]chris_in_oz wrote:
Monday, 24 August 2009 at 11:46 pm (UTC)
Why not do an article on the other co-creator of NLP Dr. John Grinder? The man is brilliant and you will get a very different description of Neuro-Linguistic Programming and where he has been taking it. John speaks 8 languages, is a former captain in special forces, was an assistant professor of linguistics when he and Bandler began their investigations that led to the development of NLP. He has been applying NLP to management and corporate cultural change. And has in the last 15 years created a new description of NLP. I have been bringing John and his partner Carmen Bostic St Clair to Australia for the last 10 years. If you are interested I can put you in touch with Grinder.
- Chris Colligwood
[info]nlplifetraining wrote:
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC)
Why are all articles about Richard Bandler the same?
[info]dave_gould wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 12:06 am (UTC)
Blah blah blah cult blah blah blah murder blah blah blah evangelical students.

How about a little research into the number of people helped by NLP? Or maybe even a simple technique that readers can try for themselves?

Here's a review I did of a Bandler training from 2002:
http://www.deep-trance.com/review/bandler-mckenna-breen.html

NLP is nothing to do with controlling people. There's no dogma, no hierarchy, no embarrassing Robbins-esque conformity techniques like getting people to stand up & sit down on command. It's just teaching you how to use your brain better, in whatever way you want - and everyone teaches it differently.

To the commenter who judged the entirety of NLP on a handful people of people - NLP doesn't compel you to blot anything out. Indeed the field offers you 10+ ways to come to terms with your past. Yes, NLP can be abused. So can cricket bats...
Its all about your intention / try a technique and decide for yourself
[info]frankl_y wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 12:55 pm (UTC)
"How, exactly, does one go about interviewing a man who has dedicated his life's work to the art of mind control? Are difficult questions going to be swept under a carpet of charm? Can his answers be trusted? Will this piece, mysteriously, write itself as a glowing appraisal?"

An interesting way to keep and open mind as you began the research, that said I think it was an interesting article and it has inspired some interesting debate.

From my point of view, I have tried some of the techniques and for the most part they have worked. My communication is better, I am better at motivating myself and others, I am happier, and I don't stress the small stuff, but then my underlying morals are to do certain things that improve certain parts of my life. a part of that is seeing others doing well for themselves.

The techniques that come out of NLP do work when applied properly. For example, if I decide I want to achieve something, I tell myself that I will have achieved that something rather than saying I will try to do my best. As Yoda in Star Wars says "They're is no try, just do".

The matching mirroring process of the salespeople mentioned is a valid technique (but if the sales person is not being congruent it can feel like mimicking which can be insulting. morals morals morals)

You should also remember that it is a natural process that we has human beings do anyway. Remember that sales person (who could be your wife/girlfriend/sister persuading you to buy her a nice dress) could be naturally "in raport" with you and therefore the "matching and mirroring" is happening anyway. Remember we all influence others all the time whether we consciously mean to or not. Its better to me to more in control of that influence, is it not? If I am in a bad mood I don't want others to be dragged into that mood with me, I'd rather shake it off. Except when I don't.

Did Darren Brown back down to avoid the hassle? or was it because he did not have the evidence to prove his claims? How can you substantiate that claim. I would suggest you can't because you are not a mind reader. I am not backing either Bandler or Brown with that statement. However, I would like to suggest that the writer of that comment clearly wished to influence the reader on a subject that he/she may not truly know the details of.

OK, Bandler is on the larger size, and he hasn't chosen to do anything about it, so I guess he is not leading by example in certain situations, but that doesn't mean the techniques are invalidated. In other situations he does lead by example.. he is no longer a drug addict. Do you think he might have learnt how to release himself from it, and perhaps he can help others do the same.

I guess what I am saying overall is that there many useful techniques that come from nlp. If they don't work, then try something else. I'd also like to mention that what appears to be the core philosophy of NLP is finding somebody who does something exquisitely well. Find out exactly how they do it (which they may not know themselves) and then applying that knowledge to yourself and others.

So, yeah you could "model" an exquisite liar and copy what they do. Me I'm interested in the signs that that person is lying as a bit of a warning system, while at the same time using other techniques "modelled" from people that I respect and admire in order to do great things (great things is of course relative to my own experience)

For more it's all in your intention. What do you want to have achieved? Will that have fitted into your personal morals once you have achieved it?

If my intention was to trick, deceive or do harm I am sure I could manage if my morals allowed me to do so. The old example of its not the rifle that kills its the person that pulls the trigger that does fits rather nicely here for me. The untrained rifleman might also do it my accident, oops. Should have learnt how to operate that powerful piece of human engineering first before pointing it at others. We've all done it.
The giving up smoking thing
[info]frankl_y wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 01:18 pm (UTC)
"He used to get irritated when people pulled him up for smoking ? a habit NLP is popular for ridding people of. "I knew how to stop, I just didn't want to!"

When you read that look at the presuppositions in the language. What does that imply. On one level it may suggest that if you want to give up smoking you will. It may also imply that you also already know how to give up.
You just have to do it, plus a whole host of other things.

Don't look at the surface structure of the language. Look deeper.

I do like what his business partner John LaValle once said though - "one of the easiest ways to stop smoking is to stop buying cigarettes." simple and true.


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