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‘We need a pay rise’ bankers demand

Clampdown on bonuses sparks City calls for 10 per cent increase in salaries

By Mathieu Robbins

Senior City bankers are demanding pay rises of up to 10 per cent this year to make up for the clampdown on the bonus culture, a senior City head-hunter has told The Independent.

Shaun Springer, chief executive of Napier Scott, which specialises in recruiting senior bankers for posts in Europe, Africa and the Middle East, said bankers were attempting to rebalance their financial packages in favour of higher salaries. And he predicted that, over the next few years, city salaries could more than double to compensate investment bankers.

“Base salaries are being increased by somewhere between 5 and 10 per cent, by rule of thumb, to compensate for an overall fall in the remunerative package,” said Mr Springer.

“This is being done in recognition of perhaps a long-term change, in which one can envisage basic salaries in the long term doubling or tripling or quadrupling compared to where they are today and bonuses falling by as much as 80 per cent.”

“People used to, say, earn between £100,000 and £150,000 and receive bonuses of 10 times multiples of their base salary,” he continued. “But a trend is now developing where someone has a basic pay of, say, £300,000 but with bonus multiple of only two or three times that.”

His comments expose the prevailing view in the City that bonuses are no longer about rewarding exceptional performance but have become an integral part of bankers’ financial reward packages and came on the day it emerged that Northern Rock will pay bonuses to about 100 top executives despite the nationalised bank losing £1.4bn in 2008.

Yesterday the bank also warned that the number of mortgage customers getting into difficulties was increasing rapidly, and confirmed it would shortly re-enter the mortgage market, increasing its lending by £14bn over the next two years.

The bank said leading executives “who are important to the company’s future” would be given a deferred bonus to be paid in 2010. Another 400 more junior managers will get a deferred bonus worth about 10 per cent of their salary.

Mr Springer’s comments were backed up by other senior City figures.

“Base salaries at investment banks across the board will have to rise to compensate people for the falls in bonuses they have seen,” said one senior corporate finance investment banker.

Banks across the Square Mile have seen their bonuses fall by about half this year as profits – where any were made – have dwindled and regulators have started to crack down on the pay awards handed out to banks.

Average weekly earnings across the UK economy rose by just 2.1 per cent in the year through December, according to data from the Office of National Statistics. That is below inflation.

But on the high street, Royal Bank of Scotland has already raised its employees’ salaries by 10 per cent this year after failing to pay them their guaranteed bonuses for 2008.

Still, there is a fear among banks that pushing up base pay too much too fast may be counterproductive and actually create a regulatory backlash, especially with a large number of Europe’s banks now partly owned by governments after having had bailouts.

“There is a general acceptance that [base] salaries will go up,” said an employee at a European bank that needed a bailout from its government. “But there is still too much political pressure, and we don’t want people to think we are replacing bonuses through the back door – there is a delicate balance.”

But Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman, said it would be “completely perverse” to award bankers salary increases.

He said: “The laws of supply and demand suggest that this is completely perverse, as there is a currently a considerable reduction in the demand for bankers as the sector contracts. If members of the financial services community are managing to pull the wool over the eyes of their shareholders, this suggests that the problems of governance in the sector are even deeper than we imagined. The continued ability of the semi-nationalised banks to put highly paid staff ahead of taxpayers shows that the Government has been far too detached and pathetic in its arms-length approach to them.”

George Mudie, a former Labour deputy chief whip and member of the Commons Treasury Committee, added: “It is indicative of the lack of shame in the industry for the trouble they have caused ordinary people – homes lost and jobs lost. They should be ashamed of themselves.”

Treasury sources expressed surprise at the reports, insisting senior executives at Northern Rock and RBS had agreed to a pay freeze. But they made it clear ministers were unlikely to intervene in pay deals at banks which had not received government support.

The source said: “It’s not obvious why people would feel the need to go for a pay hike of 10 per cent, which would only increase the banks’ costs at a time when other banks in which the state has a stake are freezing pay.”

Brendan Barber, the TUC general secretary said: “Giving ordinary bank staff on low and middle incomes a bit more pay instead of the commission-based bonuses that encourage them to sell loans and other products would be a worthwhile step towards a better banking system.

“But top bankers must think the rest of us are daft if they think that no one will notice bonuses rebranded as basic salary. Government must impose tough conditions.”

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Beyond Belief
[info]jonswan wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 01:00 am (UTC)
Bonuses for what? For fouling up the whole financial system through mismanagement and utter irresponsibility? If did a fraction of that I'd be out of work - as would ANYONE else. Bankers seem to be a breed apart. A vile breed apart. I moved all my money out of banks into building societies and I suggest others do the same, though choose wisely.
Re: Beyond Belief
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 04:06 am (UTC)
Everytime a banker asks for a payrise or bonus; take them out to the nearest market square and let the locals throw rotten fruit at them whilst they languish in stocks.
Re: Beyond Belief - [info]famulla - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC) Expand
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Marie Antoinette in the 21st century...
[info]reader1111 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 01:16 am (UTC)
This is SICK! OK, bankers have very stressful jobs (seriously), carry a lot of responsibility and have a central position in society as investors - therefore they should be rewarded accordingly. There is a reason for the bonus freeze however and that is that they FAILED (not all of them of course, but their industry isn't really helping us to find the responsible ones, so they should carry the burden together then).This article outlines the complete loss of reality in a group that is essential to economic power structures. When Marie Antoinette was told 'her' people didn't even have bread to eat she asked why they wouldn't eat cake then. A few months later she was running from pitchforks and torches. I'm not saying revolution is around the corner, but dear bankers, don't overdo it OK?
Re: Marie Antoinette in the 21st century...
[info]mr_scummy wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 07:59 am (UTC)
I would argue the main reason bankers' jobs are so stressful is that they are gambling with our money using complex schemes they barely understand - and, of course, have the "stress" of trying to hit their targets to get their bonuses. If they went back to doing what a bank is supposed to do - look after the money of savers, loan it out to borrowers - then it would be relatively simple and no more stressful than any other job.
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bankers rises
[info]cadwern wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 01:29 am (UTC)
they can rise into the air with a noose tied round their necks
Re: bankers rises
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 10:23 am (UTC)
It all is confusing at times and I am lost. First I have heard of Duck not geoduck unless these are G modified and do not fell comfortable in putting my comments as the Duck, poor duck, Like many Americans love Animals , poor kitty , poor rats, poor mice etc, Crazy this is but we have it. Million will be left to the poor dog Julius who is the sole owner of the shack no 34. He gets the millions after the death. When we put a mouse in the rocket there is a demonstrations. Poor mouse. The laboratory. Poor rabbit got cut Nw poor banks need the pay rise????
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Bankers pay rise!
[info]kitmas wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 01:30 am (UTC)
This is really taking the p-ss! Do they not realize tens of thousands of their colleagues and hundreds of thousands of other workers have been resigned to the scrap heap by their greedy bonus fueled actions!!
Of course they realize they are just morally and spiritually corrupt. These people have no concept of decency, they would sell their families if it meant more money!!! This equally waek and corrupt government should step in and ban all pay rises and bonuses until the economy is working again!!
Breathtaking Arrogance
[info]jbvi wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 01:32 am (UTC)
These people need to get a reality check. They won't do it by themselves so Govt need to act and act fast. The non-banking majority in this country are sick to death of the self centered City types.
Payrises for Bankers?
[info]apaszta wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 01:32 am (UTC)
Investment bankers in this economic climate are simply not required. As with the dot.com professionals in the late 90's, senior bankers are in no position to bargain for pay increases. They would be advised to focus on up-skilling via short courses such as in Hospitality, lest they find themselves made redundant. Someone that can't use a barista machine won't get very far as a waiter!
Brassed Knecked
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 02:57 am (UTC)
These boys give a whole new meaning to the term Brassed Knecked.
Perhaps a little incarceration in one of Her Majesty's guest houses might polarise their narrow minded attitudes regrding the criminal neglect with which they treat society? Or a suitable alternative might be castration. The latter would satisfy most methinks!!!
Bankrupt literally and morally
[info]brit_jgb wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:05 am (UTC)
Which part of bankrupt don't the banks understand? They continue to exist at taxpayer discretion. Taxpayers are not getting 10% pay hikes, many are losing their jobs because of bank activities. Obviously, the banks do not understand their position. It would be best to let them fail, and give the money to the account holders of the banks. At the very least, banks should be forced to insure depositors' money, so if the bank fails the depositors don't lose their hard earned money.
Bonuses & pay rises for failure
[info]colincarr99 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:40 am (UTC)
As I in my naive way understood it, bankers paid themselves bonuses according to the profits their banks made. As their current losses are just negative profits, they owe their employers, and especially the wider community they have so grievously wounded recently, a truly MASSIVE repayment. As they've probably spent their bonuses already, I'll just make do with a M aserati.
Re: Bonuses & pay rises for failure
[info]walec wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:56 am (UTC)
The bankers should be careful. In past UK recessions there weren't widely recognised villains. This time the public have the bankers and their enablers -- the politicians and toothless regulators they created -- in their sights. I'm not saying bankers will find themselves chased down Threadneedle Street by a mob and hanged from lamp posts outside St Paul's but sites like this -- www.total-banker.com -- are starting up all over the internet. People are angry and know who to blame. Once the recession really starts to bite they'll get even angrier.
10% more hangmen needed to deal with Banksters
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 04:01 am (UTC)
The more you pay these "pimps in suits"' the more these b@stards steal !

We need to see at least 10% of these vermin at the end of a noose; as a lesson to those who aspire to steal from others.

These are desperate times that need desperate measures !
Financial Oligarchy
[info]jimjanja wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 04:08 am (UTC)
What people need to realise is that our country has been taken over by a financial oligarchy. These people pretend they are for the free market, but they are not. A free market means freedom from special interests and freedom to do business without crooks. The banksters took over parliament a long time ago, so there are few laws to punish financial looters. By getting the government to print money and pass it to them, the banksters have basically stolen the purchasing power of savers. They will continue stealing peoples money until there is none left. When that day comes the British economy will collapse, and it isn't far away now.
Err
[info]charles_geach wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 04:33 am (UTC)
Maybe they are just confused... Big party - bigger hangover! They must mean that they want - decreases!!!!
[info]podinoldtown wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 04:36 am (UTC)
First we have articles saying that there is a liklihood of violent demonstrations this summer, then we have artciles that are guraranteed to ferment rage and discontent.

Do you recal that comedian that used to beat up a furry animal on his show and then say "It's a puppet, it is just a puppet!"

DITTO!
[info]respectedgraham wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 05:15 am (UTC)
What sort of society ave we created when evev as 'he ship is sinking' individuals continue to complain about their 'share of the spoil'. It would appear that we now live in a morally corrupt nation where avarice is the only driving force. Banker, politicians and others all exert us to tighten our belts while secretly poke their snouts in the trough of sleaze. Each day we are confronted with the news of another person(s) on the take. If only half of what the PE says is true then this nation is in serious trouble.
[info]andre_t wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 05:36 am (UTC)
How many bankers actually get those type of bonuses 300000, 10x base salary...
Even if you take canary wharf, and look at the individual banks you will find that the vast majority of people working in these towers are back office, middle office and support staff that get a small or no bonus at all and 100 000 in total compensation is miles away. The few higher positions, front office staff and traders/sales (call them phone salesmen) got paid highly (very) but payment has been reduced. Far less investment type banks (hedge funds or private equity), downsizing of the remaining, and most importantly "they all pay what they need to" and not more - no need getting worked up, if they can command a higher salary someone will be paying it - but that is not going to happen (listen up bankers, there is nowhere to go to!)
(Parentheses)
[info]greenman9876 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 07:06 am (UTC)
(are) (to) (be) (used) (sparingly).
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Send the Banksters to Guantanamo
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 05:45 am (UTC)
Guantanamo; yep Mr Obama; keep it open; we need to send corrupt bankers and politicians to Guantanamo; bankers and politicians are the real terrorists who have brought the world to the brink with their greedy ways.
Bankers wages
[info]49niner wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 06:15 am (UTC)
These people beggar belief. Rewards for failure, when they are lucky to be in a job at all because the taxpayer has bailed them out.

Unfortunately, this attitude prevails across large sections of industry. Sacked top bosses still get huge pay-offs. Those of us who just turn up and do the work we were employed to do, get very little by comparison, when the cock-ups of our superiors cause us to lose our jobs.

There's a well of anger out there at the smug people from both public and private sectors who made such a cock-up of our whole financial and economic system over a long period. Giving themselves fat pay rises at this time is insensitive to the point of "taking the piss".
We need a pay rise
[info]tbtyler wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 06:22 am (UTC)
I have been a contractor for over 5 years. I don't get bonuses and I don't get pay rises if I feel like I need one. Those who are demanding pay rises need a reality check, the spoilt little sh*ts.
Second time lucky
[info]tbtyler wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
Sorry folks, my first post was obviously a bit vitriolic, so here goes... bankers, it's early morning, wake up and smell the coffee... bonuses ARE gone, you are right on that. But we are experiencing deflation. Yep, 10% cut is obviously what you mean. For those that are lucky enough to be deemed employable.
Brother can you spare a dime.
[info]francetta wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 06:48 am (UTC)
Poor dears, these bankers must be feeling the draft--oops I mean, overdraft. One can almost hear the rattles of tins, as they prepare for a spot of busking--does ones heart not bleed?
Bankers Pay
[info]oldshep wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 06:55 am (UTC)
If these banks were 'normal' businesses, reporting the losses they are, what would the banks do? They would pull the plug, close them down and all the people would be out of work. What makes them so different?
The only time a bonus should be paid is if a company has performed well and the PROFITS can sustain the payments.
Earn it first!
[info]aidrenegade wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
To the well off high earners - Earn it first! Your resumae so far isn't looking too good is it.

To the banks front line staff, eg cashiers - You deserve a 10% payrise as many of you don't earn much above the UK legal minimum wage. Look at the banking big shots trying to make more money while they pay you a pittance to keep the banks running day to day.
Bankers
[info]cruiser22 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
The only raise any of you guys would get is ' to hit the road jack "
Where do you think this money comes from please ?
Stealing from depositors, stealing from the people who invest in bank stock, stealing from the underdeveloped countries on their raw resources. Shame on you..
I am pretty positive that amy of you jerks can be replaced
People in authority should put a direct and complete end to your terror reign over us common folk....
Get a Shovel and start digging...
[info]nylaroc wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 07:53 am (UTC)
Poor taxpayers who earn miserable sums of money have to pay for these greedy incompetent fools then?
Disgusting, I don't know how they have the nerve to demand anything and they certainly deserve NOTHING. At leaast they still have jobs!
I can tell this one will have a lot of comments!
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
Knee-jerk tabloids are responsible for this - papers like the Independent with moralistic headlines about bankers getting bonuses out of the public purse means that those poor bankers have to find a way to pay themselves sneakily. Kind of like MPs automatically getting maximum expenses because of public moralising about the John Lewis list. People on minimum wage should STFU and realize you are the poor and live by different rules.

A bonus should be a reward for exceptional performance - when a company makes profits above their expectations then a bonus is a way of sharing that with their employees to thank them for their hard work and encourage them to continue to exceed expectations. The only expectations that have been exceeded here is that the banks have prised a lot more money out of the government than they should have... is it not fair to reward that?
Re: I can tell this one will have a lot of comments!
[info]themartindale wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 08:17 am (UTC)
Yes, good point. Sorry, we were all getting a little carried away there and forgot our station in life.

btw, what are you drinking? I'll have one of those.
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