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Bank employees set to sue over cuts in bonuses

By Robert Verkaik, Law Editor

Britain's biggest banks face a multimillion-pound legal action brought by their own employees to force them to pay bonuses, The Independent has learnt. Claims are being prepared by lawyers representing scores of bankers working across the financial sector who have been made redundant or told they will miss out on awards this year.

The final bill in compensation and legal fees is expected to reach hundreds of millions of pounds. No bank will escape unscathed but state-aided banks such as Royal Bank of Scotland and Northern Rock, told by the Government to axe bonuses, are expected to face the largest number of claims. Barclays which has not received any bailout but announced big bonus cuts yesterday will also be in the litigation firing line.

News of the litigation came on a day the Government and the Tories both tried to apply moral pressure on bank executives to cut back on bonus payments. The Prime Minister's spokesman said he was "very angry" about suggestions RBS – 68 per cent owned by the taxpayer – was preparing to pay bonuses of up to £1bn to staff.

Yvette Cooper, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, said: "City bankers who think sweeping bonuses are justified this year must be on another planet."

David Cameron, the Tory leader, said: "The bankers have to have a bit of a 'smell-the-coffee moment' and recognise, 'Actually, hold on, we wouldn't be here, we wouldn't have jobs, we wouldn't get anything were it not for the taxpayer standing behind us'."

The UK's chief City regulator, the Financial Services Authority, is investigating pay and benefits structures in the City. It is due to publish the results of the review next month.

Ministers are also said to be considering placing a £25,000 limit on cash bonuses for bankers, but admit such a rule would be difficult to enforce.

Barclays, which did not take public money during the bailout of the banks last year, said yesterday it was cutting its bonus payments for 2008 by 48 per cent compared to the previous year. John Varley, the bank's chief executive, said: "The more senior the people, the greater the reduction [in bonuses would be," with Barclays' investment banking operation believed to be suffering particularly large cuts.

But bankers are challenging both the failure to pay so-called "guaranteed" bonuses and discretionary award schemes that pay out millions of pounds each year in recognition of employee contributions to the business.

Ronnie Fox, one of the City's leading employment lawyers, is representing a number of high-profile bankers who have instructed him to prepare legal action to safeguard their bonuses.

Mr Fox, a member of the Law Society's remuneration committee, told The Independent: "I have been advising senior bankers about their positions in the banks and the payment of bonuses. Bankers are now talking about suing for these bonuses. Some of them are very concerned and upset. The most aggrieved people are those who performed well and did make significant profits for the banks but have lost bonuses and sometimes their jobs."

He said one senior executive he is advising was made redundant when his department suffered big losses. "But he had devised a strategy which has turned losing positions into profits. Now he his taking legal action," said Mr Fox.

Senior board members in charge of bank strategy will not able to bring claims because they cannot claim to have to have contributed to a profitable business. But managing directors, vice-presidents and associates working in profitable departments such as emerging markets, fixed interest and currency trading, will have much stronger cases.

Lawrence Davies, who has advised senior bankers in seeking or accepting discretionary seven-figure bonuses, said: "Good performance should be rewarded. Even in failing companies there are expert 'firefighters' working fanatically hard to prevent financial disaster. These people should be rewarded for their efforts. Those culpable senior executive should be dismissed without any financial recompense."

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But will they dare to reveal their avarice publicly?
[info]2barrows wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 12:39 am (UTC)
The public mood is such that if they get to court and their identities are revealed (as the law will require), then they and anyone associated with them (families, friends) will be shunned by their community. So it will be interesting to see if they actually care, or whether greed prevails. No doubt the lawyers will be asking for the taxpayer to fund safe houses and armoured cars for the bankers' protection, as well as inflated fees.
Bonuses and windfall taxes
[info]davemart wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 01:25 am (UTC)
It is certainly their right to enforce legally binding contracts.
It is also certainly the Government's right to impose windfall taxes and share out the pain to individuals who are in receipt of bonus's in bankrupt institutions supported by taxpayer's money, as it is to strengthen laws to ensure the strict interpretation of fiduciary responsibility - when their bonuses are based on short term profits unrelated to the long term health of the institutions they worked for, it would seem difficult for them to prove that they behaved responsibly.
Paying out the bonuses and retrospectively taxing the bonuses paid for the last 5 years, at, say, 95%, would seem to be fair all around.
hypocrisy
[info]d01wje wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 05:23 am (UTC)
Hold on - didnt the FSA pay GBP14m in bonuses as Northern Rock fell?
Bonuses
[info]deano_dg wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
Fine, let them have their bonuses, but introduce a new tax band to cover bonuses at 95%.
Nach
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 08:56 am (UTC)
All part of the can of worms the goons of downing street hung around society's neck instead of simply abolishing (or bombing if necessary) Iceland on the Thames
make them pay back there bonus untill the banks can afford to pay them.
[info]stevekenilworth wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 09:42 am (UTC)
they should pay back there bonus till the banks can afford it, NOT OUT OF OURTAX MONEY the COUNTRY has more important issues to sove.

why should we as a country pay a lot of tax /vat ect to pay the top bankers millions of pounds so they can live a good life style just bacilly have what they want, they were the one's who lost all that money i thought THAT IS THEY HAD A GOOD YEAR THEY WOULD RECIVE A GOOD BONUS THAT MEANS IF THEY HAVE MADE MONEY FOR THEY COMPANY BUT IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE MADE ANY MONEY FOR THE COMPANY THEY JUST GAMBLIED IT ALL AWAY.

STEVEN BARNETT
It`s a mad mad world
[info]goosegreece wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC)
These impoverished bankers will probably apply for legal aid......I`m not betting they wont get it !!
Disgraceful.
[info]rojaws wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 11:19 am (UTC)
This really is the limit!
A system where the incompetent can sue for money they simply don't deserve, that has to be paid by the people (tax payer) who have suffered due to the aforementioned incompetence!
Nationalise the banks RIGHT NOW & chuck these useless parasites into the nearest sewer, where they belong with all the other bilge rats.
Bank employees set to sue over cuts in bonuses
[info]little_perica wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
This beggars believe..What planet do these people live on? The "boat" is sinking and they still insist on the caviar and the orchestra playing.. Who am I going to sue for losing my job because of them? What politician can justify giving these people even more money to waste..Nationalize all the banks and give them some real jobs where they can make a real contribution to the society is my advice.
Greed is Good
[info]geo32 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
It is clear to see that these bank employees firmly believe in the philosophy of Gordon Gekko. In the film Wall Steet, his resounding speech stating `Greed is Good`is their egocentric belief. To even think that these avaricious (civil servants?) employees would have willingly sacrificed their obscene bonuses is without doubt farcical.
Schadenfreude?
[info]what_sympathy wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 01:49 pm (UTC)
You can't privatise profits and then nationalise losses. Bankers and their industry, created this problem, and i'm afraid they have to accept their fate. They are after all very, very lucky to still be in work or to have a bank to sue, had they been left to clean up their own mess, they would have been somewhere at the bottom of a very long list of creditors with next to no hope of getting anything.

Petulance is not going to solve anything and a 'bonus' is just that.

Also, to use the justicfication of 'working hard' is a complete insult. Everyone 'works hard', my builder works hard, but unlike this bunch of clowns, hasn't had his view of the world and his rights warped by years of an ego-fuelled run-away boom.

It didn't break, you broke it, now face the consequences, the rest of have to.
Punish them all
[info]had_it wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 02:15 pm (UTC)
Right. Let's treat all bankers the same. Those who did well for their depositors, debtors and shareholders should be punished just as those who lost squillions. That'll teach them!

Retroactively changing compensation plans for work already completed is a great way to save money and build trust. Let's imagine what the unions would say if their employees were told: "Okay, the building is built, so now we are going to pay you 10 pounds per hour for the past year of work, rather than the previously agreed 20."
Bank Bonuses
[info]benman1 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 03:21 pm (UTC)
Whilst understanding the apparent contractual justification, how can any employee working for a business which as a whole suffers huge losses requiring additional funding from either government/other stakeholders believe that they are entitled to a bonus? The expression 'sharing the pain' comes to mind. The reality for me is that the bonus schemes were flawed in there drafting and any right thinking person would accept that the 'gravy train' has now rammed into the buffers never to be removed.
Re: Bank Bonuses
[info]had_it wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 05:43 pm (UTC)
Let's suppose the concrete pourers used cheap materials and did not build to code, thus making the building unsafe and in danger of collapse.

The owners then say that they will reduce the pay they gave to the electricians, glasiers and plumbers - who did their jobs to a high standard, using quality materials and who were on time and under budget - because they should "share the pain".

Now if they say this about FUTURE pay, that is one thing. But if they say they are going to pay less than agreed for work already completed, do the electricians, glasiers and plumbers have a grievance?
Re: Bank Bonuses
[info]benman1 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 09:01 pm (UTC)
I believe your comment is flawed simply because I know of no other sector where 'bonuses' are guaranteed and up to a factor of ten times (or more) basic earnings.In my working life bonus was only paid for over and above performance, not for merely performing the role one was hired to do.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 05:55 pm (UTC)
And if any of those who sue are found guilty of negligence or reckless jerrymandering; then send them to Guantanamo because of their links to financial terrorism; who needs the Taliban when we have home grown financial terrorists releasing their brand of terror on us like silent farts.
Pay these banker crooks in Zimbabwean currency and tell them all they have to go there to get it.
[info]rozr wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 08:05 pm (UTC)
I suppose this was inevitable as these greedy gamblers had got the bank to tie them into contracts that would reward them no matter how much they cocked up. It is now time for these gamblers who've wrecked our economy and helped to wreck the world economy to be put in jail, not paid bonuses for failure. Isn't it possible by starting by sacking anyone who is asking for a bonus?

As I understand it, the bankers' view is the banks can't afford to sack them so the bonuses will be paid. We certainly can afford to sack them. We can't afford their cockups and we can't afford their bonuses. So sack the lot. There will be plenty of punters out there who need a job.

What is needed is a set of lawyers working for us taxpayers who have imagination as you may be absolutely sure there is a way we can prevent these gamblers stealing our tax money for their yachts and mansions etc.Lawyers will know the means but currently it seems they are all working for the crooks.

I too had suggested recently there should be a new tax band for these greedy b's of 100%. Or perhaps we'll be kind and make it 99%. Anything less would be an insult to us taxpayers. Another solution might be enforce foreclosure on all their mortgages so the state owns all their ill-gotten-gained property.

We can't expect Gordon Brown to come up with a ban on the bonuses.He only reacts to events when it's too late. Where are Vince Cable and Ken Clarke?
[info]brail88 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 08:18 pm (UTC)
Its time to pull your heads from the rectal orifice...we are talking about a bankrupt industry...who has abused its right to operate....who has reaped horrendous profits from people in the past by super excessive usery..... who have primarily lost all there wealth now......and the swine are still at the trough... any other time the banks would be sinking the little investor. ..by foreclosure... when its time to foreclose on the banks they scream and holler...just like us at foreclosure...The only difference is they come back to the taxpayer to bail them out and our foolish government gives them our money with no retribution...If i play poker and am winning or losing the creed is you don"t borrow money from the table to keep playing....why are we allowing this to happen... the house is paying the looser to keep playing... why cant the players win just one time by the banks loosing everything and the little man getting some of the banks assets...that includes the bonuses.....The shares of the banks should be Given to all the people who lost money in the banks failure by investments ....from Greedy little individuals that helped put us in this position they should be held responsible for a percentage of loss....rather than drinking a little deeper...SAY NO the Bull stops here.... say no now ...Let the banks fall....from the ashes come bigger men..
Bonuses for Bankers
[info]troonman wrote:
Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 09:56 pm (UTC)
In litigation the only certain winners are the lawyers - and so it will be this time around when the bankers challenge the legality of trying to cancel or curtail their bonuses. Why not just simply compel the bankers to take their bonuses (perhaps up to a fixed limit) in shares in the banks which employ them ?

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