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Bankers battle to avoid 50p tax on bonuses

By Alistair Dawber

City accountancy firms are putting proposals to investment banks that would see high-earning bankers avoid the full impact of the new top rate of income tax on their bonuses.

The accountants Grant Thornton are believed to have contacted clients offering ways of cutting employees' tax contributions by as much as 40 per cent. There are other accountancy firms offering similar services and the fact that the service is being touted in a year that will see some bankers receive huge payments after a busy few months in the City is likely to cause consternation at the Treasury.

It comes in the week that Alistair Darling will publish his White Paper on banking reform, much of which is expected to concentrate on the way bankers' bonuses are paid.

The Chancellor said in an interview with The Independent last week that many bankers needed to be "brought back down to Earth". He followed that comment over the weekend by saying that "we need to learn lessons from the financial crisis in which banks behaved in a kamikaze manner and the regulatory system failed.

"Far too many people in boardrooms did not know, nor understand what was happening in their institutions."

The remarks come ahead of Wednesday's White Paper when the Government is likely to call for greater curbs on excessive City pay, and adopt the recommendations of Lord Turner, the chairman of the Financial Services Authority (FSA), who has said that banks' pay policy should be subject to regulatory risk assessments.

There has been disquiet in the City, and many think that the Government is now attacking the banking industry for political capital. Many believe the process started with the introduction of the 50p upper rate of income tax to be paid on salaries in excess of £150,000 from next April.

Grant Thornton's proposals come as a number of banks and other City firms are preparing to return to paying huge bonuses on the back of a surge in business.

As corporate clients have sought to shore-up balance sheets in the wake of the recession, the banks have cashed in. Many are also trying to tie customers into paying more fees by agreeing to refinance debt or confirm credit lines on the condition that the banks act as advisers for any lucrative merger and acquisition deals that follow in the future.

Bankers are typically paid a basic salary and in the past earned huge amounts of money taking a cut from the fees the banks earn for advising on and underwriting new deals. Goldman Sachs, which has now repaid the money it borrowed under the US government Tarp support scheme for the American financial services industry, is reported to be prepared to set aside as much as $20bn to pay staff.

The Treasury said yesterday that along withHerMajesty’s Revenue and Customs(HMRC), it is cracking down on any tax avoidance schemes. Last week the Government published its banking Code of Conduct, with Stephen Timms, the Financial Secretary, warning it would not tolerate the emergence of tax avoidance schemes.

“While banks play a vital role in the UK and are important contributors of tax, it is clear that many continue to be involved in tax avoidance that goes well beyond reasonable tax planning. The code is part of the work to minimise tax avoidance and ensure that large businesses such as banks have a clear understanding of the behaviours the tax authorities expect from them,” he said.

“As part of the consultation we will be talking directly with banks to develop a shared understanding of the principles that underpin the code and, in particular, what it will mean in practice for banks. This is vital to ensuring that the code plays a part in changing the behaviour of banks and in turn minimising the loss to taxpayers through tax avoidance.”

Francesca Lagerberg, the head of tax at Grant Thornton, yesterday said she was unaware of the source of the 40 per cent saving claim and added that the firm was not seeking to engineer tax avoidance schemes. “These proposals, from us and all the other accountancy firms, are not the aggressive schemes that were sometimes employed a few years ago. There is no tax structure in place that will help bankers avoid the top rate of the income tax and other charges,” she said.

“We are offering bespoke solutions to companies that want to incentivise employees. It often involves government-sponsored schemes such as salary sacrifice practices. The last thing our clients want to spark is an investigation by HMRC into clients’ remuneration polices.”

A spokesman for BDO Stoy Hayward, another accountancy group, confirmed that the firm was also offering similar services to banks but also stressed that it was not trying to engineer tax avoidance schemes.

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Avoidance can be prevented...
[info]barncactus wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:54 pm (UTC)
Time for an alternative minimum tax.
[info]gaolhouse wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 12:00 am (UTC)
Mr Dawber, most of this article relates to what was discussed during last weeks interview, with nothing less than speculation on the rest.

"Alistair Darling will publish his White Paper," as mentioned in The News of the World already. This must tell the public something!

Trying to create public disconcern by unsubstantiated claims is foolish and will inevitably cause public concern.

Please publish facts, rather than propoganda which which will cause public distain.

Inshollah greed will be eroded and sharing will be the norm

Tax avoidance.
[info]milchcow wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 12:15 am (UTC)
Isn't this a most sickening headline story? In days gone by I might have added "If it were true" but in view of the characters involved, it is undoubtedly so.

I simply cannot understand why Inland Revenue's tax rules are always several years behind the thinking of the Tricky Dickies in high finance. Is it the quality of the staff the Revenue employ? Is there some secret understanding?

The Chancellor had better get this one sorted out because the public have had quite enough of financial shenanigans of late and with the threat of raising the basic rate for ordinary tax payers, I suspect this will ensure his loss of office more readily than had he been guilty of some expenses fraud.

Re: Tax avoidance.
[info]cm999 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
IR rules are always behind reality because they are made up by politicians. Politicians of course are subject to lobbying, friends and future non-exec directorships that will put them into this tax bracket. Its no coincidence in my mind why politicians spend so much time on social security fraud rather than corporate tax and higher tax rate fraud and avoidance even though it is worth substantially more to the Treasury.
Re: Tax avoidance.
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:35 am (UTC)
we must be very naive to think that the rich and powerful intend to pay their duties in full.they avoid taxes legally because their friendly politicians and government ministers are there to help and please them. this is just like a mafia family . its a game they mastered its rules centuries ago. its onlt us the mortals who pay taxes because there is no other choice.
Why 50p?
[info]jl3793 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 03:32 am (UTC)
Why stop at 50p? Let's decide as a society what the maximum should be and then anything over that is 100p. And add a general tax provision about tax deferral, avoidance and reduction schemes to the effect that HMRC can deem any scheme as simply null and void with tax due on the deemed gross amounts. Let's stop wasting HMRC time and everyone else's. And since the banks are now public institutions or have proven quite clearly that they should be, there is no point discussing what a private firm can or cannot do. The bankers proved them selves incompetent greedy Bastards and continue to act in that vein. We should treat them as the scum they are.
Have we learned nothing?
[info]49niner wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 05:04 am (UTC)
Seems that now the panic is over, the bankers are back to old bad habits. These people are taking the piss, and need to be given a reality check. They don't own Britain. More likely we own them, having bailed out their insistutions last autumn.

Financial services, while always important, cannot sustaintain the economy. As a nation, we cannot live on "tick" for ever, which is what these people sold us through mortgages, loans and credit cards. We have to earn a proper living rather than going on a consumer binge using other people's money.

And tax avoidance schemes and tax havens need to be controlled and the worst excesses stamped out. If these greedy bankers don't want to live by this country's rules, then I'm sure they can find their way to Heathrow. And good riddance!
It's all so easy
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 06:02 am (UTC)
It's all so easy. Just arrange for payments to be made though some fraudulent company registered in a government-sanctioned tax haven and the looting of the public purse can continue, unabated. Nothing new under the sun. Criminal scum rise to the top and ensure there are two sets of rules, one for themselves and another for everyone else; it's been that way since the time of Gilgamesh.
Re: It's all so easy
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:36 am (UTC)
perfect , spot on. well said.
Bankers battle to avoid 50p tax on bonuses
[info]ironspiderzero wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 06:19 am (UTC)
As a taxpayer I'd like my money back please.
Bankers Greed
[info]over325one wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 06:31 am (UTC)
"Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few." How did Churchill know all this so many years ago?
Money
[info]bleedingekk wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
is the route of all evil.
It's amazing
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:04 am (UTC)
"There has been disquiet in the City, and many think that the Government is now attacking the banking industry for political capital."

It's no political it's plain common sense, nobody deserves zillions in bonuses when they have completely messed up the whole world financial system and want to carry on as before as though nothing had happened.

Maybe this detached elite don't think they have any personal responsibly or need to account to anybody at all.

It's amazing :-)
Brown & Darling blew it !
[info]mike_spain wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:16 am (UTC)
Brown & Darling had the perfect opportunity to bring the bankers down to earth but the blew it. If they'd put stringent conditions & limits on pay, pensions & bonus's on the fat cats like Fred the Shred in return for a tax payer bail out we wouldn't be seeing the obscene banking behaviour continuing. I still fail to understand why bottler Brown didn't let Northern Wreck & RBOS/Halifax fail and then pick up the pieces to protect the savers money and at the same time let the bankers be hung out to dry. Nothing has been learnt from this sick episode thanks to Labours cosying up to their mates in the banking industries and the bankers have given us the 2 finger salute whilst jobs are lost and pensions have been decimated. The party of the people is now the party of avarice, money and greed representing NO significant group in the country.
Re: Brown & Darling blew it !
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 08:14 am (UTC)
Oh, it does. It represents bankers. They're surely a significant, and extremely influential, group in the country, albeit a relatively small one,

Or, at least, New Labour's sufficiently bedazzled by them, and its leadership (and, it seems, many of its parliamentarians) share so much of the bankers' personal aspirations, that it's not going to significantly challenge them. Which of them was it who said that he was supremely relaxed about people becoming very rich?

And the mantra used to be that "Labour's the party of the working man". What's astonishing is that there are even now people in the country who seem to believe that ...
bankers
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:22 am (UTC)
Not so very long ago, we had a rate of tax of 97.5%, or 19 shillings and six pence, in the pound. It was called super tax. Bring it back. Also, where substantial tax avoidance occurs, treat it as tax evasion and prosecute the accountancy firms who offer the service. Grant Thornton are not nice people at the best of times, and are better described as voracious starving piranhas. Personal experience.
Tax Avoidance
[info]lheasman wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 07:53 am (UTC)
There has never been anything wrong with tax avoidance, it was tax evasion that Inland Revenue persued. But now, because bankers are the new whipping boys, tax avoidance is "outrageous". Beware, we can all cheer at the demise of bankers but the IR are establishing a precedent which can be applied to us all soon after.
Re: Tax Avoidance
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
Sorry Iheasman I beg to differ, there is everything wrong with Tax avoidance. Let those who "avoid" taxation, along with those who advise them how, not use the free health service, not use free state education (well virtually free!), not use the public highways, not be able to rely on the "blue light" services in their hour of need. No, dont fancy that? Well pay your taxes like the rest of us and stop being the leeches that you are. People who "avoid" taxation are often the ones who condemn "dole scroungers".
Re: Tax Avoidance
[info]matttt wrote:
Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC)
Do you use your personal allowance? Or save into an ISA? Then you are avoiding tax too, albeit in an everyday manner.

Tax avoidance is effectively condoned by governments, because it's simply minimising one's tax bill by legal means. There's an easy way for the powers that be to stop it - change the rules.
bonkers..
[info]smarttog wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 08:15 am (UTC)
I am not a super earner by any means but I think the 50% tax being levied will be damaging to the economy overall.

During the super tax years many successfully people went into exile. The economy, business, employees and the overall economy benefit from successfully high earners because that income is spent on goods and services.

The 50% tax has been levied to take the political sting away from the abolition of the 10% tax rate.

The politics of envy are shamefully and it's to this governments discredit that they have once again resorted to introducing discriminatory tax regimes and playing to the class war gallery.
You trust the Sarkar and these we are a fool.
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
Why 50p?
defenestrate
The right time to append the dream is to learn something new. Here it is
PRONUNCIATION:
(dee-FEN-uh-strayt)
MEANING:
verb tr.: To throw someone or something out of a window.
ETYMOLOGY:
From Latin de- (out of) + fenestra (window).
NOTES:
There have been many defenestrations over the course of history, but the most famous, and the one that inspired the word defenestration, was the Defenestration of Prague on May 23, 1618 . Two imperial regents and their secretary were thrown out of a window of the Prague Castle in a fight over religion. The men landed on a dung heap and survived. The Defenestration of Prague was a prelude to the Thirty Years' War.
See a Lego sculpture of the Defenestration of Prague. Also, check out the defenestration of various articles of furniture in this unique San Francisco sculpture.
USAGE:
"When someone in a Joe Lansdale novel is defenestrated, you feel like shaking the glass shards out of your lap."
Jeff Salamon; The Further Adventures of Hap and Leonard; The Austin American-Statesman (Texas); Jul 4, 2009 .
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary. -Reinhold Niebuhr, theologian (1892-1971)
Some smart a**** will say why all these when we can pay 50p and keep quite.
It is not avoidance it is not 50p it is not we cannot (at least I can) pay, it is not that we are fools , it is not that we need to borrow from Jack, give to Jill and Jill to Jack on odd days, It is not the houses are fallen and we are looking at the roofs. What is us?
Have you ever seen the price of the property and tax ever, in your life . ever seen these go down. NO? Yes you are right. The banks keep on charging us all they can. We keep the cash with them to avoid the thugs and pay them. We pay the ledger fees, bank charges opening charges, closing charges, we pay we pay till our children then pay. The 50 p is not the banks other branch that thrives and they live on. You trust the Sarkar and these we are a fool.
It is not 50% it is 50 p from millions
I thank you
Firoali A.Mulla

Re: You trust the Sarkar and these we are a fool.
[info]toolan wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 11:46 am (UTC)
Mr. Mulla, really. Quoting "Wordsmith.org"s' daily newsletter verbatim simply wiil not do !

Toolan
Re: You trust the Sarkar and these we are a fool.
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 11:53 am (UTC)
Good YOU NOTICED THIS YOU ARE A WISER MAN but 5 p is out okay Please plese pelss asss plees ass okay no smoke
tax
[info]markpostie wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC)
i notice these bastards weren't rushing to help the poorest in our society when brown abolished the 10p tax band recently-says a lot that doesn't it.............................................
Tax Avoidance
[info]billedmunds wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
Unfortunately the next Tory Government is funded by people who use Offshore Tax Havens and believe that taxing rich people is immoral. Strangely they believe that PAYE for people on far lower salaries is fair and should pay for the shoddy level of services that we can expect once Dave and George are safely in Power. Then it will be pay back-time for tax dodgers, Bankers and allegedly non-domociled Tory Peers. Will this be taken up by the Press? It certainly won't be by those papers owned by non-domiciled Magnates.
Re Tax avoidance.
[info]milchcow wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC)
We all know the rich and powerful will never pay their share of taxes; our duty is to make them pay much more than they currently do. And it's no good relying on a Labour government to take up the cudgels on our behalf; that is clear from their recent performance.

I don't know the answer to this conundrum and I have yet to read of one short of a revolution.

But there are some very bright people who contribute to these columns and who may have the answer ... perhaps the article will encourage them to set out their ideas.
5p or not to p is a big question
[info]famulla wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 12:02 pm (UTC)
Stones and stick may break my back words will not. 5p or not to p is a big question
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Time for an alternative minimum tax
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 02:08 pm (UTC)
Yes, in this case 95 per cent.

Bonkers Brown
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 02:16 pm (UTC)
This is the thanks New Labour get for bailing the greedy sociopaths out in the first place.

Had HBOS been allowed to fail, investors would have got their fifty thousand back, and the idiots at the top would have got a trip to Job Centre Plus.

But Brown and Darling were too gutless to take them on.



Why have income tax?
[info]hodgeey wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 04:40 pm (UTC)
It is wrong to tax people on the fruits of their labour; it could be raised indirectly on expenditure.

The old, the young and the incapacitated could be paid a living wage out of the proceeds.

Why not?
And the surprise is.....criminal!
[info]s6blr wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 10:27 pm (UTC)
Gee, we get to see the same folks who have not been prosecuted for their financial mis-deeds get away with paying less tax. And the surprise of this is no one will prosecute them, investigate them, nor review how they're getting around the new 50pc law. Nice one Gordon, I'm sure that your team of merry bean counters also won't review the companies advising how to get around the tax, just like you didn't stop the financial impropriety of the MP's expenses -- yes?
One Law For The Rich and One Law For The Poor
[info]j2r wrote:
Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC)
Aren?t these wealthy ones who don?t earn what they get through effort happy with paying a fair level of income tax?

To fiddle their ways around the tax system to avoid paying tax is immoral and we all know solicitors and accountants help the wealthy be seen as legally correct in what they do when in fact they are morally corrupt.

I am glad I have never worked in these industries which supports this greed and corruption.

All I can see is that there must be an underlying weakness in the integrity of their status and achievements for them to need preferential treatment over the normal worker all the time. I call this being spoon-fed with perks and privileges to maintain false one-upmanship.
50p 'evasion'
[info]binladenspup wrote:
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
are we completely blind and stupid? did we not know the instant the tax rise was announced that accountants all over london were going to get round this? it was fool the masses into thinking we care and the 'bad men' who run the banks will pay for their greed. and nobody seemed to notice that the 2p rise in fuel duty alone would rob us of much more. never mind the money you will lose when the effects of 'quantative easing' (printing money out of thin air) kick in.
we deserve all the crap we get from powerless puppet politicians for being so stupid as to think they are there to serve us and not the giant corporations in oil, drugs, arms and banking.
wake up people you only have to find out where these stupid politicians get jobs when they're finished, and a lot of them during they're 'service' to the people!