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Green light for the world's biggest offshore wind farm

Deciding factor for London Array plan was boosted incentive in Budget

By Sarah Arnott

Plans to build the world's biggest offshore wind farm in the Thames Estuary have finally been given the go-ahead thanks to changes to the incentive scheme for renewable energy investments.

The first phase of the 90 square mile London Array will see 175 turbines producing 630 megawatts (MW) of electricity seven miles off Kent, the development consortium of E.ON, Dong Energy and Masdar said yesterday.

Planning work for the €2.2bn (£2bn) programme will start this year with offshore construction under way in 2011 and the first electricity produced in 2012. The second stage is dependent on future environmental evaluations, but the ultimate aim is for 341 turbines producing 1 gigawatt (GW) of power, enough for a quarter of all the homes in Greater London and by far the biggest off shore development in the world.

The London Array has been on the stocks since 2006. But one major backer, Shell, pulled out last summer, and even the arrival of Masdar, the Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth investment vehicle, could not make the business plan stack up. The boost to the Renewables Obligation Certificate (ROC) incentive mechanism, announced in last month's Budget, was crucial.

Paul Golby, the chief executive of E.ON UK, said: "The project was on a knife edge but the changes to the incentive regime tipped the balance. The London Array would not have been economic without the additional support."

Extra-large wind farms are crucial to meeting the commitment to ensuring 15 per cent of all UK energy is from renewable sources by 2020. But funding is not the only issue for budding developers. There are also questions about the wind industry's capacity to support such rapid expansion. Limited access to everything from turbine blades to ships has dogged developments across Europe and resource issues were a major topic in the decision about the London Array. In harsh weather conditions and such deep water, time schedules for construction are inflexibly tight. So only once the parts, range of ships and skilled staff were sourced was the project given the green light.

Frank Mastiaux, the chief executive of E.ON Climate and Renewables, said: "The three critical things are having the right turbines, the right vessels and the right people. Overall the industry that will be building gigawatts of these schemes in the future will have to find a way to resource the projects."

The Government is trying to address the problem. Ed Miliband, the Energy Secretary, said: "The London Array sends an important signal about the UK renewables market and the confidence of major suppliers, and vindicates the decision in the Budget about the ROCs."

Notwithstanding the recent closure of Vestas's Isle of Wight turbine factory supplying the US market, there are also talks with major suppliers about setting up plants in the UK. "There is a lot of interest in locating in this country and we are having discussions with a range of companies," said Mr Miliband.

In comparison with other energy projects, wind farms are hugely expensive. At current costs, offshore developments come in at about £3bn per GW, compared with £1.8bn for nuclear and just £600m for a gas-fired power station.

The ROCs regime was developed to offset the imbalance. Electricity retailers are required by law to derive a growing proportion of power from renewable sources. By issuing the ROCs to generators – to be sold on to utilities to prove the obligation has been fulfilled – the system provides an extra revenue stream. Under the new rules, the allocation for offshore wind has gone up to 2 ROCs per MW hour (MWh), compared with 1 ROC per MWh for onshore wind.

The London Array is not the only development to have stalled pending discussions over ROCs. Centrica's 250MW Lincs scheme was passed by planners in October, but is yet to be signed off by the company.

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Nuclear 4 billion per GW
[info]rwendland wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC)
I think you have underestimated the cost of a nuclear power station here. The two AP1000 reactors at Progress Energy Florida are estimated to cost $14 billion by Nuclear Engineering International. That works out at about 4 billion per GW, more than the offshore wind cost you give.
Re: Nuclear 4 billion per GW
[info]ponder81 wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 01:02 am (UTC)
The new reactor at Flamanville is expected to cost 2.5 billion euros per gigawatt, and even the famously over-budget Olkiluoto 3 is now priced at about 5 billion euros (or 3.1 bn per GW).

Don't forget also that the wind farm capacity factors are typically well under 40%, whereas nuclear's are typically above 85%, so it's even worse for wind than the cost per GW makes it appear.
Re: Nuclear 4 billion per GW
[info]chrisziesler wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 04:41 am (UTC)
Remind me how much the fuel costs are for the wind farms? And the clean up and storage costs for nuclear?

It's completely specious to compare installed costs for different technologies in this simplistic manner. If you want a proper assessment you have to do a full cradle to grave financial analysis including fuel costs and decommissioning costs.

Chris Ziesler
Re: Nuclear 4 billion per GW
[info]l8robert wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 07:38 am (UTC)
Perhaps we could store the nuclear waste in the same place as the MP's expense forms?
Re: Nuclear 4 billion per GW
[info]colinru wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 11:14 am (UTC)
The fuel costs for a Fission Reactor are trivial at less than $100 per lb of U3O8 (presently approx $50 per lb spot). Modern designs are much easier to decommission.

So the only "unknown" is Insurance and Waste Depository costs. Providing the Depository is built and run by the Government and the cost spread over a large number of stations, the cost would be much less than a billion per station (less than half a billion per Gigawatt) since the bulk of the Depository cost is the construction. This assumes that Laser Intertial Fusion-Fission Energy is not successful so we cannot "burn" the Waste as fuel and need a Depository.

When you allow for the on-line time of the two systems, Fission is far cheaper per GWHR generated. Still worth having some Wind Stations though, for security of Supply! Sadly we cannot do it all by Wind, Tidal, Wave & Solar so we will need Fission as a stopgap.
Re: Nuclear 4 billion per GW
[info]ponder81 wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 01:02 pm (UTC)
It's not unfair, as capital costs dominate for both technologies - accounting for roughly two thirds of the cost of electricity. Wind farms don't need fuel or decommissioning but they do need maintenance. Assessments for decommissioning indicate that it contributes a very small amount to the cost of electricity, largely because it's a long time off.
Nuclear vs Renewables or Nuclear and Renewables
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)

Most people are thinking nuclear vs renewables. We dont live in a world of single power sources.

What we need is lots of renewables, supported by minimal nuclear. Renewables typically do not produce continious power, they vary according to climatic conditions. On the other hand, nuclear has two major disadvantages - a major accident would be bad for the UK and under whose carpet can we dump the waste?

Summary: lots of renewables, minimal nuclear.
Re: Nuclear vs Renewables or Nuclear and Renewables
[info]colinru wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC)
I agree but that will still mean a lot of new Fission Stations as a stopgap because renewables cannot supply even half of our present energy usage (never mind future usage).
Wind turbines
[info]normanag wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 10:04 am (UTC)
What will 175 wind turbines do to the atmosphere? What will they look like? How much will it cost to maintain them?
Re: Wind turbines
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 12:12 pm (UTC)

Every spinning turbine helps.
Offshore - looks are a minor issue.
Maintenace is built into the working model for costings.
Where have the engineers gone?
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 11:04 am (UTC)
"Notwithstanding the recent closure of Vestas's Isle of Wight turbine factory supplying the US market, there are also talks with major suppliers about setting up plants in the UK."

Can we not buy them from China?
Re: Where have the engineers gone?
[info]l8robert wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 11:49 am (UTC)
No, some complete party poopers would only hijack them and hold them to ransom as they passed the coast of Somalia.

One of the issues with wind turbines is the potential energy storage that goes with them - we currently used 'pumped storage hydroelectricity' where the wind turbines effectively pump water into a top lake when there is low demand and then open the floodgates (literally) when there is big demand, which drains via turbines to a lower lake (in Wales). This enables a much faster ramp up to meet the strain on the grid. So my question is how are we going to compensate for this in the new huge proposed wind farms? Flood a big chunk of Yorkshire or the Scotish highlands? N.b. I'm pro renewables & anti Nuclear.
Re: Where have the engineers gone?
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 12:17 pm (UTC)

I dont think these turbines will use the energy storage model. They will most probably deliver straight into the national grid network. Most wind farms dont store energy (at present), energy is delivered directly into the national grid.
Re: Where have the engineers gone?
[info]nick_bu wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 03:09 pm (UTC)
In Denmark, DONG is in alliance with Better Place to tackle this issue. Cars with large battery capacities which are parked 95% of the time will be recharged using a smart grid which allows DONG/Better Place to manage timing. In theory, batteries can even be discharged into the grid at peak times, although this is uneconomical at current battery prices. According to DONG / Better Place the system will go live in Denmark in 2012.
Re: Where have the engineers gone?
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC)

That paragraph does not compute. Are they talking about electric cars or fossil fuel cars with large battries? We are talking about lots of energy from large wind farms. Ie, 50MW plus.

There must be better storage mechanisms. The use of many hundreds of thousands of car type battries (for a large wind farm) just doesn't sound right.
Re: Richard Montgomery
[info]l8robert wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC)
There's already a small wind farm nearby it (Kentish Flats?), but don't worry the wreck won't be a problem as Boris the Mad is going to put an airport on top of it.
The 'Richard Montgomery'
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC)
Call this a timely reminder. There's 1400 tonnes of highly unstable TNT sitting just over a mile off Sheerness. When it goes, much of Sheerness will be destroyed. The US cargo vessel, the Richard Montgomery lies under less than 40ft of water at low-water mark, and has two holds still full of the bombs she was carrying when she ran aground, broke her back and sank on the 20th of August, 1944. The Department of Transport has been sitting on its hands for years about this, because of the difficulties and dangers surrounding the removal of the bombs, most of which are still fused. There is a significant and growing crack in the forward hold where the fragmentation bombs are stored, and these for the most part are fused, and while the bombs are waterproof, the fuses are not, and there is a risk of a chemical reaction causing a bomb to detonate.
It only needs one.
Any work on a wind farm is going to cause vibrations in the area, and so increase the already enormous risk that the Richard Montgomery poses. To dispose of the wreck, the entire population of Sheerness would need to be evacuated for a period of days, because if she goes up, it will be the biggest non-nuclear explosion ever, and psoes the risk of considerable loss of life in the Sheerness area. Live bombs will be thrown nearly two miles up in the air, and will explode when they return to earth. Some on Sheerness.
DO THE BIRDS SIT ON THESE?
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 12:54 pm (UTC)
Green light for the world's biggest offshore wind farm
Deciding factor for London Array plan was boosted incentive in Budget
Sarah Arnott
I saw these in the TV. The sight was great. The big wheels of three bales moving slowly. I saw these in the open fields. What do they do? Create the electricity? If yes, why don?t we have these in all the places? I am very ignorant of these. What are the costs and do we recoup these fast? Not. Then forget these.
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Re: DO THE BIRDS SIT ON THESE?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 04:49 pm (UTC)
no if they turn fast they kill the birds and anyway, the wind does not blow all the time so they can't supply enough power continuously, which is what we need. I don't like the idea of nuclear power stations at all, but they are the only realistic option if we like, lights and computers etc. the waste and decommissioning costs are a bit of a bummer but these are not insurmountable
Re: DO THE BIRDS SIT ON THESE?
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 04:54 pm (UTC)
I read you wll thank you, you are the wise one I see. never have seen these only TV
Re: DO THE BIRDS SIT ON THESE?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 05:03 pm (UTC)
nooo.; i'm not wise at all; I just care about the birdos. I've given a lot of thought to , and asked scientists about alternative energy sources and my various crazy ideas about them, most of which they say are stupid. one fact is we just don't know what the long term effect of taking energy out of the wind is; we just assume there is no harm in it. but most human assumptions turn out to be tragically wrong
Re: DO THE BIRDS SIT ON THESE?
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 06:11 pm (UTC)
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Re: DO THE BIRDS SIT ON THESE?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 07:37 pm (UTC)
don't I have only said my usual rubbish
is it that windy there
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 04:35 pm (UTC)
in all my years in London, I never noticed it was that windy, so my guess is that this is another half baked Zanulabour white elephant
Dollops
[info]barncactus wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 09:15 pm (UTC)
When you say 'green light', presumably you mean 'extra dollop of subsidy'

Shell presumably left because the state subsidy was not big enough. Now I guess it is.

If there are cost overruns, will the taxpayer swallow those too?
About time a large windfarm is built in UK
[info]jesuspascual wrote:
Friday, 15 May 2009 at 05:45 pm (UTC)
Here is Spain renewables supply on average 20% of all electricity year-on-year, according to the national energy companies. Installed wind turbine power is well above the UK, in spite of the UK having much larger wind potential. The press reported last year that during one particularly windy day the wind turbines supplied all of the electrical energy required by the grid. The spanish national grid has been built flexible enough to deal with the peaks and troughs. The 20% share of renewables looks set to increase thanks to government-subsidised feed-in tariffs and new building regulations; since 2006 all new houses must have solar hot water, and new offices must have solar photovoltaic as well. Is it worth it for us? Yes! I prefer our government subsidise renewables instead of a huge military. And I hope the UK catches up to us eventually.