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Mervyn King: 'Never has so much money been owed by so few to so many'

With City bonuses set to top £6bn this year, the Governor of the Bank of England echoes Churchill in devastating indictment of the banks

By James Moore, Deputy Business Editor

Mervyn King, the Governor of the Bank of England

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Mervyn King, the Governor of the Bank of England

The Governor of the Bank of England launched a stinging attack on the behaviour of the banking industry last night, just hours before a leading economic think-tank prepared to publish figures showing the total bonus payouts to City workers in January will soar to £6bn.

Mervyn King described the £1 trillion of support given to banks by the taxpayer as "breathtaking" and "unsustainable". He said: "To paraphrase a great wartime leader, never in the field of financial endeavour has so much money been owed by so few to so many. And, one might add, so far with little real reform." Mr King argued that banks took huge risks because they knew they would be bailed out and because they were seen as "too big to fail". He called for sweeping reforms to the way they are supervised.

His words are poised to re-ignite the row over taxpayers' support for the sector and the way bankers are paid. The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) will add fuel to the fire with its figures, which show a rise of 50 per cent in bonuses this year compared to last year's combined payout of £4bn across the industry.

Video: Mervyn warns bank split needed

Last week Goldman Sachs, facing mounting political and public heat over its multibillion-dollar bonus pool, cut the proportion of revenues going into it and hired a consultancy specialising in philanthropy to consider a big charitable donation. But it still paid $5.4bn (£3.3bn) into the 2009 pool, taking it to $16.7bn for the year to date, after reporting third-quarter profits of $3.2bn.

Douglas McWilliams, chief executive of the CEBR, said a lack of competition was enabling banks to amass huge profits, a theme also taken up by Mr King, who was speaking last night to Scottish business organisations in Edinburgh.

Mr McWilliams said: "Banks' profits have risen very sharply this year, reflecting a lack of competition in the market. Any attempt to deal with bonuses is likely to be either unsuccessful or very damaging unless it addresses the issue of lack of competition."

News of the figures provoked outrage among politicians and union leaders amid increasing public anger at the behaviour of banks at a time when unemployment is rising and many people have lost their jobs and their homes.

The TUC general secretary Brendan Barber said: "Bankers' bonuses might be lower this year than the bumper year of 2007 but a £6bn bonus bonanza is still absurd when you consider the depth of the financial crisis their greed and recklessness plunged the world's economies into. It's only as a result of huge taxpayer bailouts that the financial sector has been kept going, yet the banks show no sign of curbing their behaviour."

Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said: "This big increase in bonuses does not in any way reflect the particular contribution made by bankers to the economy. These bonuses are coming from the fact that banks are earning money from substantial government borrowing and are able to earn bigger profits because there is less competition. What is particularly galling is that all their activities are in turn underwritten by the taxpayer."

He called on ministers to "stem public outrage" by ending what he called "anti-competitive practices". He added that bankers should be forced to pay "their fair share of tax".

The Tories' shadow Treasury minister Mark Hoban said a future Conservative government would consider using the tax system to crack down on excessive bonus payments: "The support from the taxpayer was there to prop up banks, not bankers' bank accounts. We hope the new international rules work. But, if we find the money that should be going into stronger bank balance sheets is being unreasonably diverted into bigger pay and bonuses, we reserve the right to take further action and that includes using the tax system."

Reaction from the City was more muted. Angela Knight, chief executive of the British Bankers' Association, has already called on people to "move on" from the bonus scandal. She also said that banks in the UK had agreed to measures to restrain pay after being called in to 11 Downing Street to meet the City minister, Paul Myners.

Ms Knight said: "These estimates are clearly led by the announcements of some US investment banks operating here; they do not reflect what is happening in the UK banking industry. In the UK, the banks have signed up to very significant constraints. There are no indications whatsoever from the UK's banks that they will be paying any bonuses this year under the new criteria."

David Buik, chief strategist at BGC Partners, the City money broker, also said that bonuses paid out this year would be subject to new constraints, including measures designed to link them to banks' long-term performance and to enable employers to "claw back" payments if traders subsequently performed badly.

"I understand the anger that is out there and accept that there have been bad practices in the past," he said. "But if you want to restore the banks to health and pay back the taxpayers' investment you have to employ the best people, and that costs money. This year's round of bonuses will be paid in an acceptable manner, whereas in the past, perhaps they were not."

Bonuses are back: Luxury brands see upturn

Luxury businesses are preparing themselves for a welcome major boost in sales as the City expects a 50 per cent rise in bonuses.

Peter Rollings, managing director of Marsh & Parsons estate agents, which markets high-end properties in London, said that "without a doubt" there would be an increase in house sales. He said: "This is great for us. Without a doubt [bankers' bonuses] are positively affecting our business. There are many more buyers in the market already. Last week we sold a house for 5 per cent higher than top of market in July 2007. The asking price was £3,500,000. This was met with three offers and in the end went for in excess of that price."

Simon Staples of the wine merchants Berry Bros said that his company normally saw a boost in sales on 12 January each year, when the fine Burgundy wines are released, and that he was already receiving inquiries about that.

"In the last three or four months there has been a huge surge in interest," he said. "Nowadays we announce news about wines via Twitter, and through this the equivalent Bordeaux day that coincides with summer bonuses has had a huge amount of interest already."

A spokesman for the yacht charter company Sunseeker said that business was picking up at the moment, following a good boat show in Southampton in September, and had not slowed since. And top restaurants will be hoping for a return to the expenses lunch or, at the very least, bonus celebrations bookings.

Xavier Rousset from the luxury Mayfair restaurant Texture said: "In the past few weeks the tasting menus have become very popular, and bankers usually tend to go for more expensive wines."

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"you have to employ the best people"...
[info]nippooon wrote:
Tuesday, 20 October 2009 at 11:42 pm (UTC)
Yes, you have to employ the best people and that costs money... they weren't so "best" when they created the crisis, were they? The system is just all wrong. Banks nowadays can do whatever they like there's never going to be a crisis for them. It's simply shameful. Does anybody out there think that this is working?
Re: "you have to employ the best people"...
[info]dunque123 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:05 am (UTC)
I thought the crisis was created by Carter and Clinton forcing banks to give mortgages to people who could never afford them? That seems to have been conveniently forgotten.

anyway, in terms of who has been affected I would love to find out what contribution to tax income the various contributors on here make - how many public 'servants' or benefit receivers are there - i.e. on the take not on the make.
Re: "you have to employ the best people"... - [info]paul999 - Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 09:02 am (UTC) Expand
Re: "you have to employ the best people"... - [info]arthur_ide - Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 02:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Lucky none of the money actually exists
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Tuesday, 20 October 2009 at 11:55 pm (UTC)
'The Governor of the Bank of England launched a stinging attack on the behaviour of the banking industry last night'

That's a bit rich, coming from the organisation that is the source of the fiat money and fractiona;l reserve banking scams.

However, we do live in a totally Orwellian world now, where 'war is peace' and pots can call kettles black any time they like.

Lucky none of the money actually exists, so neither do the debts, otherwise we'd be in real trouble.
Re: Lucky none of the money actually exists
[info]georgesign wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
Absolutely right except that a good amount of the wealth of the taxpayer and every person with savings has been transferred to the private banking families by this system that is actually designed to do just that. The Bank of England, the Fed, the World Bank and the European Central Bank are all part of this jolly scam aided and abetted by their puppet politicians. Mervyn King is just trotted out to provide crocodile tears.
Bonuses
[info]victhebrit wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 12:00 am (UTC)
Perhaps the taxpayer, via the government should ask for all it's money (with maximum interest) back immediately if the banks are in such good shape?
Re: Bonuses
[info]snowdonwatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:35 am (UTC)
This comment says it all.

Excuse me Mr Bankers, we want our money back & WE WANT IT NOW!
Re: Bonuses - [info]virtualburn - Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 10:13 am (UTC) Expand
[info]carlhead wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 12:01 am (UTC)
bonuses should be limited to % of salary, and salaries capped. The banks have presided over one of the largest redistributions of wealth in history, over a very short space of time. It's a disgusting, shameful, ongoing heist being perpetrated on the public purse. But only for those of us on the receiving end. Believe me, they're laughing their heads off. "move on" from the bonus scandal says Angela Knight - please. That would suit her grubby little lot wouldn't it. In any other context theft is considered a crime...
[info]alazarin wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 12:01 am (UTC)
We've been had. Should have let those banks go to the wall and then started over from scratch. Painful but it would have cleared out the rot in one fell swoop.
[info]nixcails wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
I wholeheartly agree. We the tax payer are funding these Tory Oligarchs in their greed and screw the public lifestyle. I think it's time that bankers learnt to live off minimum wage and see how the real world live. Perhaps then they might actually be more careful before they piss all our money up a wall.
(no subject) - [info]alazarin - Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:44 am (UTC)
you are clearly abusing these pages . you´ll be reported but have you no shame??
Moral Hazard and bankers
[info]mannygoldstein wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 03:44 am (UTC)
Moral hazard is a term used to describe thee behaviour of individuals who are shielded from the consequences of their actions.

Bankers are under pressure to perform so they may enter into reckless activity but are reassured because they are not held to account for their actions. The example of Sir Fred Goodwin makes this clear, when his behaviour worked he was rewarded with a large salary and massive bonuses, when things went wrong he was not required to return the bonuses and salary and actually was given a massive pension.

The asymmetric approach to risk is the reason why bankers behave as they do.
a joke
[info]panic2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 05:02 am (UTC)
at least people know who owns our so called democratically elected mp's now

if anything, the current crisis has opened a few eyes to how much power these bankers actually have. the whole system is so corrupt and in their favour.
Does capitalism work?
[info]49niner wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 05:13 am (UTC)
Just over a year since capitalism almost collapsed through catastrophic banking failure, it seems we are back to "normal". What's so say the whole sorry saga won't be repeated? The bankers are holding up two fingers to the rest of us. Vince Cable is right. There's not enough competition.

This whole affair has surely dented the assetion that capitalism in the raw is the only way to success. It only works for the favoured few. In a world where we're being ripped off by the likes quasi-private monopolies like banks and energy companies, the public has had enough.

And these people are having their profits bolstered by the taxpayer and then often dodging tax themselves. It makes the antics of some of our MPs look petty in comparison.

We need to sort these people out. If capitalism is to work at all, then it must been seen to benefit society as a whole. If not, then the future for social cohesion is bleak indeed.
Bonuses
[info]mitaman wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 05:49 am (UTC)
The fact remains that the 'fat cats' do pay a lot of tax and national insurance AND they spend the money in the economy which helps everyone. All those people who have equity in their houses indirectly owe this to city bonuses. It is City bonuses that drive the London property market and thus the UK property market and general economy.

To say that only THEY benefit from large bonuses and the british tax payer has been 'done' is not altogether correct.

Please see the bigger picture.

BTW. I am not a banker, nor would I wish to be, but I am more than a little fed-up with the narrow-mindedness.
Re: Bonuses
[info]homo_vulgariter wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 06:33 am (UTC)
Fair enough. However, I fail to see how any job, done by anybody, anywhere, can possibly be worth more than GBP100K a year; never mind bonuses on top of base salary.
Re: Bonuses - [info]cm999 - Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Bonuses - [info]linchung - Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 10:25 am (UTC) Expand
Bonuses far greater than money spent on AIDS vaccine research
[info]homo_vulgariter wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 06:26 am (UTC)
Last year, only US$868 was spent on AIDS vaccine research. Perhaps these money-grubbing scumbags could donate some of their ill-gotten to solving the world's greatest threat to health.
bonus
[info]pat41 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
Can someone explain to me, in plain and simple language, how a bonus pool can be so much bigger than the profits? Where does the money come from?
Simple
[info]ianpurdie wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:07 am (UTC)
We have these "turkeys" making money and bonuses out of "imaginary products".

Fact, bonuses are not earned by doing business with the man in the street. The profits come from dealing in "imaginary producrts".

Like, who cares? Just wipe them out with legislation!

No political will because we will upset our "greasy" political mates.

So all this rubbish goes on, and on, and on...
Banks
[info]candidlee wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:09 am (UTC)
In Asia we have well-run, honest banks to protect us from governments. In the West you need well-run, honest governments to protect you from banks. Alas, you don't seem to have them.
Conspicuos Consumption
[info]jdugan77 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC)
The disgusting part pf this article is the attempt at justifying these bonuses on the premise that they might bolster the economy through the high end spending of the exorbitantly overpaid bonus system. If the average taxpayer were to receive a refund check for a percentage of half of that six billion you would far better the economy through a consumer sales boost rather than waiting on some overpaid executive to drop coin on a new boat or a pricey bottle of wine.

As the old saying goes, "I'd rather make a fast nickel than a slow dime..."
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
if there was any decency in this government the bankers would all be in jail by now. but what are the chances of that??? zilch .
the problem is that the bank of england is a private bank and it has its own shareholders,the more they lend to the government the better , specially when the loans are backed by the taxpayers. can´t find a better business better than that,can you???
second is that the bankers have got not only our government but also the whole world by the balls and what these politicians say now is nothing but hot air as they know very well that the bankers are in full control of the country .
we need to nationalize the banks and stop them from pillaging this country and its resources.
There is one solution
[info]bobby54321 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
Seeing as they're paying the bonuses out of - what is essentially - tax payers money. The government should step in and ensure that money goes back to the tax payer. We bailed them out so it's time for them to say 'thank you'. Divide £6bn into every bank account in the UK and we'll all get about £100 each. I think that's completely fair.
Its not about bonus payments
[info]kingofmumu wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
Private Banks are parasites devouring our financial blood stocks. We need to immunise against them, with a Mercury free Nationalised Bank.
What this article forgot to say.........................
[info]tonyexeter wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 07:54 am (UTC)
Mervyn King also launched a scathing attack on Goron Brown, first of all for the big part he played in allowing the crisis to happen when he removed the need to separate retail and investment banking (before we let Gordon Brown loose on our regulatory systems banks could not use current / deposit account holders money to fund risky investments - this alone would have obviated most of the need to bail out banks using tax payers money) and secondly for not learning the lessons and doing very little to prevent banks returning to their old ways. He also condemed labour for their mismanagement of the public finances generally. No mention of any of this in this article. Why not ?!?!?!?!? Sure the banks themselves played a part in this and should be condemed accordingly but this article gives the impression that the crisis in our banking industry and public finances is solely down to the banks which is a complete distortion of the facts.
So nice...
[info]alanski wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
To see that the Burgundys are going sooh well and those nice houses in the millions being snapped up. All very good for the economy everyone will benefit er won't they? Meanwhile King has presided over the huge devaluation of the pound with his quantitive easing. So lower inflation means that the peasants salaries stand still despite the rises in fuel costs etc. But the bankers will do okay. Despite King stating the obvious no changes will take place. Ho hum we await the next round of bubbles and scams with great interest. What will they think of next? Goldmine Sacks seem to be in the forefront but then they do own a slice of the so called Federal Reserve another money printing company so all is well. Enjoy!
Not the best - just the greediest
[info]eto_seadog wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
How nice the housing market is looking up for those with £3.5 million to spare ! Wonder how many houses under £200,000 have been sold.
It is a failed system.....
[info]rayamiles wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 08:48 am (UTC)
Whether it's the banks, railways or nuclear power it is always the same issue :-

Privatise the profits, nationalise the losses.

And we are the idiots who continue to pay for these greedy bastards to continue to live life high on the hog.

I recall years ago, during the years of the last Tory administration when i worked as a contract engineer in a bakery, all of the "workers" were on 53 week contracts, no sick pay, no holiday pay, no pension, in contrast the director of the company was on a rolling contract, everyday he walked into work was the start of another two year contract, with of course holidays, private healthcare, and a golden plated pension scheme.

The bigger they are the bigger the feather bed they fall into.
Call the blackmailers bluff.
[info]hopeforjustice wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
We might as well face it. Those banks too big to fail have us all by the balls. Let them fail, and we lose our deposits and life savings. Bail them out, and they are back to their old tricks. Danger is the next crash will be far more painful. We don't know what is ahead, the bankers certainly don't understand what they are doing, they have merely put in place a reward system for themselves which is not sustainable. And if all does go to the wall, the top bankers (decision makers) need not worry about working for the rest of their lives like us mere mortals. When their banks fail again, they will have already collected their "dues" and will not need to be there to clean up the mess. The government will be left with the duty to fix things and the public will suffer the consequences. The whole banking industry is conditioned into thinking that the they are entitled to these bonuses due to their "brains and innovation". How can we say they really contribute more than an teacher or a nurse, who turn up to work every day, contribute something real, and do not expect bonuses? Stop the banks from paying these bonuses, and see if they continue to turn up to work, and if they don't, replace them and would anyone really notice anyhow ? We are being blackmailed and it is time to call the blackmailers bluff. Oh and by the way, the banks have a thousand more tricks up their sleeves. I work in a bank which received government help and was under a lot of pressue to curb bonuses. They curbed them and compensated the affected top bankers by vastly increasing the basic monthly salaries. The banks are out of control and the whole system needs to be reviewed and overhauled.
Re: Call the blackmailers bluff.
[info]linchung wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 10:39 am (UTC)
Like that idea. The average debt owed to banks by citizens is about £8,000, I believe. that would wipe the debts from all that credit card insanity we were sold over the last nine years...

It's crazy,of course, because businesses, which rely heavily on loans, would also fail, but if there was a way that a public lending scheme would be put in place instead of these leeches, to which debts can be transferred as well as loans, based on an accountable working practices and reasonable fees, how many of us would be jumping at the chance to transfer? And how much cheaper this would all have been, than the billions we put into their miserable little fists to carry on with business as usual?

We can't do it now, of course, because it's our money we'd lose - thank you so much you politicians! - but we can at least call upon the sovereignty of Parliament to force the banks to PAY IT BACK, with interest. They can clearly afford it!
Is it 1st April yet?
[info]rockinrog wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 09:38 am (UTC)
Mervyn King attacking the banking industry? I'm sorry, I appear to have wet myself laughing. is there a Hypocrite of The Year Award? Imust have missed that time when King (and all the others who gleefully attack the banks now) warned about the gathering storm. And I guess almost everyone else in the world missed it. Easy to after-time, harder to take a stand when it truly matters.
Re: Is it 1st April yet?
[info]linchung wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 11:37 am (UTC)
Hypocrite of The Year Award...

Oh, bring it on! We could make a Corruption Olympics too, and invite NGOs to adjudicate...

Oh, how the Great and Good insult the intelligence of rest of us...
ds9074
[info]ds9074 wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 09:51 am (UTC)
I wouldn't cap the bonuses but legislate to get them to hand over an equal amount in tax. So every £1 in bonuses has to be matched by another £1 in tax. Therefore if Goldman wants a $16,7bn bonus pool fine - just make an equal payment, around £10bn, to the Treasury 'pool'.
This is what I don't get...
[info]annabethchase wrote:
Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC)
If the banking world is the embodiment of capitalism and competition, then why doesn't competition drive down the profits that they make?
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