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Frankie Boyle: Fierce, fearless... and (expletive deleted) funny

The foul-mouthed Glaswegian comedian is in trouble with the BBC over his joke about the swimmer Rebecca Adlington. Does he care? Andrew Johnson meets Frankie Boyle

Sit-down stand-up Boyle wants to quit the comedy circuit to spend more time at home

Andy Paradise

Sit-down stand-up Boyle wants to quit the comedy circuit to spend more time at home

Frankie Boyle doesn't give a flying... If you're familiar with the angry Glaswegian comedian best known for his fierce rants on BBC's satirical current affairs show Mock the Week, feel free to add your own expletive. But he wants you to know that he doesn't give one: not about his career; the human race or the controversy over his comments about the young Olympic gold medallist Rebecca Adlington. In fact, the only thing he admits to caring about at all is his young family.

Boyle has made his name with the kind of acerbic comedy that takes no prisoners and leaves those of a timid disposition gaping, slack-jawed. He was in trouble over Adlington, for example, because he hypothesised that the 20-year-old could keep her attractive boyfriend only by being "very dirty", adding: "I mean, if you just take into account how long she can hold her breath..." That earned him a rap last week from the BBC Trust as part of the corporation's new campaign against "humiliating and derogatory" remarks.

The problem, however, is that when you meet him you can't help thinking he does actually give a... let's use the word damn. In fact, he probably cares a little too much.

"If someone said you have the choice whether man gets off the planet to explore the stars and colonise or you press the button and we stay here, what would you do?" he says. "I think we'd just do the same shit to the other planets that we did to Africa and everyone else. So I'd press the button that said we have to die here."

Unlike his stage persona – a kind of inverse "outraged of Tunbridge Wells", in which Boyle splutters with fury but is witty and bitingly insightful – the comedian, in person, is softly spoken; polite and almost mild-mannered. He is also very cerebral and serious.

That's not to say his views tone down with his demeanour. And they are liberally sprinkled with Anglo-Saxon adjectives (excised here for reasons of space – just assume that every other noun is preceded by one).

"I don't give a shit about the Nick Griffin stuff," he says about the British National Party leader's appearance on Question Time on Thursday, for example. "I watched it, and I just thought 'this is boring'. He's just a stress ball for people who really caused the problem. Jack Straw is sitting there. You've got essentially a racist government with a racist immigration policy and you've got a scarecrow to point at and say: 'Here's the racist – ooooh, you terrible racist.'

"I don't think I'm angry," he adds. "I'm horrified – powered by horror. I think we've really got to change."

Boyle is promoting his autobiography – My Shit Life So Far – which he admits he wrote for the money because he wants to quit stand-up, having never really enjoyed it. What he really wants to do is write – and spend more time with his two young children. He is concerned about missing them growing up.

"It's that pram in the hallway thing," he says. "I haven't lost creativity, but that's by a certain amount of neglect of family life. I did a massive tour last year, and I'm writing a tour for March, and that's only been done by not being around the kids very much."

He admits that his life is far from bad. As well as the family he has, at 37, sold out one massive tour last year and is due to start another next spring – called I Would Happily Punch Everyone of You in the Face. ("I would," he says. "As they file in and as they file out.") He has moved back to Glasgow, escaping the "dehumanising" life of London; has a happy family life; is working on a pilot for Channel 4; and is planning a novel, having now quit Mock the Week.

"There's a fine line between doing series eight and suddenly it's series 16 and you've not done any of the stuff you wanted to do," he says. "It's going up to 20 episodes a year, so you'd take the cheque and be sat there creatively dead, clinging on like a barnacle."

Not that life has always been sweet. Boyle says that for much of it he has been bored, and in his twenties escaped that by drinking and taking drugs. He was an alcoholic, but hasn't touched a drop for nine years.

"My life was shit, pretty boring for a lot of it," he says. "To be honest, the whole time until my daughter was born [in 2004] I was quite bored. I had a lot of time, especially after I gave up drinking. Drinking filled the boredom. I just had all that time on my hands, and that wasn't healthy. Then when your kids come along you don't have any time at all.

"Drugs make life a lot less boring," he adds, however. "If there were safer, better drugs ... why don't they work on that?"

Boyle's gift, as he sees it, is to see things as they are and to be unafraid of saying it out loud. It is a role uniquely preserved for the comedian, from the medieval court jester to controversial American greats such as Bill Hicks, Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor, all of whom Boyle cites.

"Comedians shame people," he says. "Richard Pryor and Bill Hicks were living on the fringes of society, taking drugs, and coming back and telling people things they didn't particularly want to hear. So it's an important thing. You want people to see through bullshit, to be able to decode things."

He admits that a lot of his jokes are "pointless gags about sex", but that's all part of the job. "You have to unite big rooms, and now it's got to the stage I have to unite a room of 2,000 people," he says. "It's very hard to do that with 10 jokes in a row about Afghanistan. You have to leaven it out and come back."

Which is perhaps how he got into trouble over Rebecca Adlington. Not that he cares, however.

"Rebecca Adlington – it's nothing," he says. "You can't be right all the time. You do stuff on the spot, particularly when you're improvising.

"I don't care. What are they going to do about it? I've said jokes where I thought people might get up and hit me for this. A couple of people have thought about it. But they didn't. It gives you a lot of power, because if you're on shows where people are worried about getting sacked and you're not, then you're transcendent because you say what other people would like to say."

Boyle's big break came after Ricky Gervais's great success with The Office, which left normally nervous TV executives looking for more comedy that flew in the face of political correctness. He was writing for Jimmy Carr at the time and realised that things might open up for him. Not that he finds it all plain sailing. He rages against the timid executives, whose first eight rules, he says, are to keep their jobs, and whose ninth rule is to please the audience.

"A lot of it is a case of 'don't frighten the horses'," he says. "Let's not lose our job. You meet some people and think: this person would have the whole show replaced with half an hour of soothing music, so what's the point of arguing the finer points of whether a joke is sexist or not?"

Boyle's problem – if it is a problem – is that life, or society, is too bland for him. He doesn't really admire anyone on the mainstream comedy circuit, believing comedy has become a career – "There's a lot of banality about" – and, despite his need to promote his autobiography, he rages against the fact that everything has become so PR-driven.

"Everything is so mediated," he says, and swings into an amusing story about a contribution he was asked to make to The Culture Show.

"They wanted 10 celebrity inserts about 'what is culture'," he recalls. "And my thing was culture is a war of ideas. People such as stand-ups and artists and alternative thinkers are on one side and you're fighting with pea shooters against these giant summer blockbusters that are designed to have this numbing ideology.

"They just looked at me and said, 'What? We really can't show that at all.' So I said what do you want, and they said, 'We had Patsy Kensit in today and that was good.' She said, 'Culture is buying my daughter an ice-cream at the Natural History Museum.' So that's what you're up against. That's the level of banality that's desired."

Biography: Drink and drugs and vitriol

Born 1972 in Pollokshaws, Glasgow – "a slap in the face to childhood" – to a labourer father and dinner lady mother.

1983-90 Holyrood Secondary School, Glasgow, at which he starts drinking, aged 15.

1993 Graduates from the University of Sussex with a degree in English. Works in mental health before beginning teacher training.

1994 Performs his first stand-up gig as a drunken bet. He is tracked down by the comedy club owner six months later and asked to do more.

1995 Packs in teaching to concentrate on comedy. He also marries for the first time. "I was drunk for the courtship, proposal, wedding and most of the year-long marriage."

1996 Wins the Open Mic award at the Edinburgh Festival.

1998 Gives up alcohol after waking up one morning, unable to see. He eventually discovered his glasses outside, in a pool of vomit.

1996-2005 Becomes a regular on the comedy circuit and makes his first TV appearances on BBC Scotland's Live Floor Show and 8 Out of 10 Cats.

2004 Has a daughter with a "close friend".

2005 Becomes a permanent panellist on Mock the Week.

2007 Has a son with his partner, visual artist Shereen Taylor.

2007-08 First national tour. All 100 dates sold out.

2009 Quits Mock the Week, and is rapped by the BBC Trust for his joke about Rebecca Adlington.

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we'll miss ya Frankie
[info]eenvoud wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
Mock the Week's loss, no doubt.
He is also so right in his comments on Questions Time. I watched with increasing horror as several people with obviously immigrant backgrounds made what were essentially 'pull up the drawbridge' type comments - for shame, you hypocrites. Many of us like to pretend we live in a post-racist society ('at least among my friends' circle') but scratch the surface and it's still a live issue.
end of mock the week
[info]corbyboy wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
i wonderd what had happened to Frankie.well thats the end of MTW Dara is funny but the rest are pretty average.Frankie was the reason i tuned in and i suspect im not alone. I can imagine the scene with the BBC exects pulling Frankie in to bollock him only for him to tell them to go fuck themselves.they then threaten him and then quits fantastic! the looks on their faces must have been priceless!talk about killing the golden goose!
Anglo-Saxon expletives
[info]acecafemike wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
A language lesson for whoever wrote the article.

Of the twenty or so expletives currently in use, barely half a dozen are of Old English (Anglo-Saxon) origin. The F or the C word certainly aren't included amongst them. This myth grew out of the fact that most words for parts of the human body are of Old English origin. Such a shame that the beauty of the Old English language has been reduced to the level of merely being 'swear words' - reputation it doesn't deserve because it's based on a falsehood.
Courage
[info]forlornehope wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 10:15 am (UTC)
Making suggestive comments about a twenty year old hardly counts as fearless comedy! When somebody seeks publicity and behaves like a pratt, they are fair game. To have a go at a very young hard working athlete was just cheap.
Highly Overrated
[info]paul999 wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 10:25 am (UTC)
Frankie is excellent in the MTW slot, much like Jimmy Carr used to be in that kind of format (before he decided to appear on every show made). But as a stand up both of them are just old fashioned comedians who happen to swear a lot and tell dirty jokes. No different to Roy Chubby Brown without the racism. And 1 1/2 hours of one liners gets very old after a while.

I just watched an old Live at the Apollo with Dara O'Brian as the host and Franke as one of the guests. Dara was superb, Franke got boring on joke 4 and never improved. I will miss him on MTW though, when they replaced him with David Mitchell it was just awful.
Hope He Will Be Back
[info]chanau wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
It will not be the same on mock the week.
There are too few left to challenge the pc brigade.
[info]bundubasher wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)
BBC loss
MTW has flopped without him and his rants.

I love Frankie, and admire the incisive observations behind his acerbic wit.
Frankie?
[info]terry_hamblin wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 12:45 pm (UTC)
Frankie who? At least some people have heard of Rebecca.
comedy is dead
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 02:12 pm (UTC)
what passes for "comedy" these days isn't funny at all. I meet funnier people in the street than the so-called "comedy performers" on television. Not one of the TV or radio programmes listed under "comedy" is remotely funny. Just the same old media sinecures, and the occasional new one, sitting behind desks playing stupid games and trying desperately to make witty banter. Painful to watch, especially when one thinks of how much they are being paid.
Boyle for President
[info]adlindley wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 04:24 pm (UTC)
This is who should be our candidate for EU President. At last Europe would have a voice people might listen to. Also, of course, he hasn't invaded anybody recently.
Death of a comedian
[info]gwilymrj wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 09:37 pm (UTC)
From what I have observed these people such as Frankie, Jimmy Carr and Russell Brand (not forgetting Jonathan Ross) lack any wit or intelligence. They are offensive, certainly, but not funny.
Forgivable Frankie ?
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 10:15 pm (UTC)

When you have insite and brilliant observation skills people forgive the
offensive side. Just remember there's a time to go, don't hang on and
become an embarrassment......

Then there was the joke about the , face shape and the spoon, just
plain offensive.

Frankie get's it wrong from time to time, in my book. If he gets drowned
suspiciously, we'll all know why.......... the four eyed git walked straight in.


You want to quit the "comedy" circuit, Frankie?
[info]reinertorheit wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 10:53 pm (UTC)

Then great, piss off. No-one will miss a talentless heroin-addicted booze-addled gimp.

Oh, that was a "joke" by the way. Just like yours.
satire
[info]stereostan wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC)
satire's an essential part of keeping a lid on things. sad defeated people think somehow that it's wildly subversive.
if boyle's that upset should do something useful,apart from going all gooey over his precious contribution to the gene pool.if,in fact,that's what he's going to do with the rest of his life(something useful) -fair enough.actions speak louder etc.
Oooh, I did like him on Mock the Week
[info]lucid1984 wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 05:31 pm (UTC)
it's a shame his live DVD was a painful show of the perils of only being reactively funny.
rip it up and start again
[info]niallds wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 07:24 pm (UTC)
Nice to read something a bit punk, everything is focussed grouped beyond recognition nowadays. There is nothing more dangerous than someone who subverts what management think and does not give a fuck - brilliant. I'm an athiest but Jesus was clearly one.

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