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By 2040 you will be able to upload your brain...

...or at least that's what Ray Kurzweil thinks. He has spent his life inventing machines that help people, from the blind to dyslexics. Now, he believes we're on the brink of a new age – the 'singularity' – when mind-boggling technology will allow us to email each other toast, run as fast as Usain Bolt (for 15 minutes) – and even live forever. Is there sense to his science – or is the man who reasons that one day he'll bring his dad back from the grave just a mad professor peddling a nightmare vision of the future?

By Mike Hodgkinson

Standing up for GM: Kurzweil believes that opposition to advances such as genetic modification harm humankind

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Standing up for GM: Kurzweil believes that opposition to advances such as genetic modification harm humankind

Should, by some terrible misfortune, Ray Kurzweil shuffle off his mortal coil tomorrow, the obituaries would record an inventor of rare and visionary talent. In 1976, he created the first machine capable of reading books to the blind, and less than a decade later he built the K250: the first music synthesizer to nigh-on perfectly duplicate the sound of a grand piano. His Kurzweil 3000 educational software, which helps students with learning difficulties such as dyslexia and attention deficit disorder, is likewise typical of an innovator who has made his name by combining restless imagination with technological ingenuity and a commendable sense of social responsibility.

However, these past accomplishments, as impressive as they are, would tell only half the Kurzweil story. The rest of his biography – the essence of his very existence, he would contend – belongs to the future.

Following the publication of his 2005 book, The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology, Kurzweil has become known, above all, as a technology speculator whose predictions have polarised opinion – from stone-cold scepticism and splenetic disagreement to dedicated hero worship and admiration. It's not just that he boldly envisions a tomorrow's world where, for example, tiny robots will reverse the effects of pollution, artificial intelligence will far outstrip (and supplement) biological human intelligence, and humankind "will be able to live indefinitely without ageing". No, the real reason Kurzweil has become such a magnet for blogospheric debate, and a tech-celebrity, is that he's convinced those future predictions – and many more just as stunning – are imminent occurrences. They will all, he steadfastly maintains, happen before the middle of the 21st century.

Which means, regarding the earlier allusion to his mortal coil, that he doesn't plan to do any shuffling any time soon. Ray Kurzweil, 61, sincerely believes that his own immortality is a realistic proposition... and just as strongly contends that, using a combination of grave-site DNA and future technologies, he will be able to reclaim his father, Fredric Kurzweil (the victim of a fatal heart attack in 1970), from death.

Just when will this ultimate life-affirming feat be possible? In Kurzweil's estimation, we will be able to upload the human brain to a computer, capturing "a person's entire personality, memory, skills and history", by the end of the 2030s; humans and non-biological machines will then merge so effectively that the differences between them will no longer matter; and, after that, human intelligence, transformed for the better, will start to expand outward into the universe, around about 2045. With this last prediction, Kurzweil is referring not to any recognisable type of space travel, but to a kind of space infusion. "Intelligence," he writes, "will begin to saturate the matter and energy in its midst [and] spread out from its origin on Earth."

It's as well to mention at this point that, in 2005, Mikhail Gorbachev personally congratulated Kurzweil for foreseeing the pivotal role of communications technology in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and that Microsoft chairman Bill Gates calls him "the best person I know at predicting the future of artificial intelligence". A man of lesser accomplishments, touting the same head-spinning claims, would impress few beyond an inner circle of sci-fi obsessives, but Kurzweil – honoured as an inventor by US presidents Lyndon B Johnson and Bill Clinton – has rightfully earned himself a stockpile of credibility.

In person, chewing pensively on a banana, the softly spoken, slightly built Kurzweil looks chipper for his 61 years, and wears an elegantly tailored suit. A father of two, he resides in the Boston suburbs with his psychologist wife, Sonya, but has flown into Los Angeles for a private screening of Transcendent Man, the upcoming documentary that examines his life and theories over a suitably cosmic score by Philip Glass. "People don't really get their intellectual arms around the changes that are happening," he says, perched lightly on the edge of a large armchair, his overall sheen of wellbeing perhaps a shade more encouraging than you'd expect from a man of his age. "The issue is not just [that] something amazing is going to happen in 2045," he says. "There's something remarkable going on right now."

To understand exactly what he means, and why he thinks that his predictions bear up to hard scrutiny, it's necessary to return to the title of the above-mentioned book, and the grand idea on which it's based: "the singularity".

Borrowed from black-hole physics, in which the singularity is taken to signify what is unknowable, the term has been applied to technology to suggest that we haven't really got a clue what's going to happen once machines are vastly more "intelligent" than humans. The singularity, writes Kurzweil, is "a future period during which the pace of technological change will be so rapid, its impact so deep, that human life will be irreversibly transformed". He is not unique in his adoption of the idea – the information theorist John von Neumann hinted at it in the 1950s; retired maths professor and sci-fi author Vernor Vinge has been exploring it at length since the early 1980s – but Kurzweil's version is currently the most popular "singularitarian" text.

"I didn't come to these ideas because I had certain conclusions and worked backwards," he explains. "In fact, I didn't start looking for them at all. I was looking for a way to time my inventions and technology projects as I realised timing was the critical factor to success. And I made this discovery that if you measure certain underlying properties of information technology, it follows exquisitely predictable trajectories."

For Kurzweil, the crux of the singularity is that the pace of technology is increasing at a super-fast, exponential rate. What's more, there's also "exponential growth in the rate ' of exponential growth". It is this understanding that gives him the confidence to believe that technology – through an explosion of progress in genetics, nanotechnology and robotics – will soon surpass the limits of his imagination.

It is also why, in addition to bananas and the odd beneficial glass of red wine, he follows a regime of around 200 vitamin pills daily: not so much a diet as an attempt to "aggressively re-programme" his biochemistry. He claims that tests have shown he aged only two biological years over the course of 16 actual vitamin-popping years. He also says that, thanks to the regime, he has effectively cured himself of Type 2 diabetes. Not even open-heart surgery, which he underwent last year, and from which he made a rapid recovery ("a few hours later I was in the next room, and sent an email") could dent his convictions. On the contrary, he thinks that the brevity of his convalescence is proof positive that the pills are working. If he slows down the ageing process, he reckons, he'll be around long enough to witness the arrival of technology that will prolong his life... forever.

Kurzweil was raised in Queens, New York, where two youthful obsessions – electronics and music – would lead to a guest appearance on the 1960s TV quiz show I've Got a Secret, on which (aged 17) he showcased his first major invention: a home-made computer that could compose tunes. Five years later came the death (in 1970, when Ray was 22) of his father, Fredric, a struggling composer and conductor who, Kurzweil believes, never really got his due. "I'm painfully aware of the limitations he had, which were not his fault," he says. "In that generation, information about health was not very available, and we didn't have [today's] resources for creating music. Now, a kid in a dorm room can create a whole orchestral composition on a synthesizer."

The tragedy of that loss – and the fact that the means to repair a congenital heart defect were available to him, but not his father – is clearly an intense motivation for Kurzweil. Sometime soon, he believes, he will once again be able to converse with his father, such is the potential of the scientific advances he believes will ultimately pave the way to the singularity. Not everyone, though, concurs with his appraisal of technological progress, and his belief in the imminence of immortality.

Memorably, in the Transcendent Man documentary, Kevin Kelly, founding editor of future-thinking magazine Wired, labels Kurzweil a "deluded dreamer" who is "performing the services of a prophet". In reacting to that assessment, Kurzweil's habitually mellow tone of voice takes on a hint – albeit mild – of umbrage. "It's interesting that [Kelly] says my views are 'hard-wired', when I actually think his views are hard-wired," he says. "He's a linear thinker, and linear thinking is hard-wired in our brains: it worked very well 1,000 years ago. Some people really are resistant to accepting this exponential perspective, and they're very smart people. You show them the data, and yes, they follow it, but they just cannot get past it. Other people accept it readily."

Whereas Kelly differs from Kurzweil on the grounds of interpretation and tone, other voices of dispute are rooted in a deep-seated fear of technological calamity. "The form of opposition from fundamentalist humanists, and fundamentalist naturalists – that we should make no change to nature [or] to human beings – is directly contrary to the nature of human beings, because we are the species that goes beyond our limitations," counters Kurzweil. "And I think that's quite a destructive school of thought – you can show that hundreds of thousands of kids went blind in Africa due to the opposition to [genetically engineered] golden rice. The opposition to genetically modified organisms is just a blanket, reflexive opposition to the idea of changing nature. Nature, and the natural human condition, generates tremendous suffering. We have the means to overcome that, and we should deploy it."

To those opponents who detect a thick strain of techno-evangelism in Kurzweil's basically optimistic interpretation of the singularity, he reacts with self-parody: there's a tongue-in-cheek photo in The Singularity is Near of the author wearing a sandwich board bearing the book's title, and he insists he was never "searching for an alternative to customary faith". At the same time, he says humankind's inevitable move towards non-biological intelligence is "an essentially spiritual undertaking".

Whether or not he attracts a significant following of dedicated believers in search of deliverance, ecstasy or any variation thereof (some commentators have called the singularity "the rapture for geeks"), Kurzweil has undoubtedly positioned himself at the heart of a growing singularity industry. He is a director of the non-profit Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, "the only organisation that exists for the expressed purpose of achieving the potential of smarter-than-human intelligence safer and sooner"; there's a second film awaiting release (part fiction, part documentary, co-produced by Kurzweil), also based on The Singularity is Near; and in addition to his theoretical books, he has co-authored a series of health titles, including Transcend: Nine Steps to Living Well Forever and Fantastic Voyage: Live Long Enough to Live Forever. The secret of immortality, he wants you to know, is available in book form.

Those who have lent Kurzweil their support include space-travel pioneer Peter Diamandis, chairman of the X-Prize Foundation; videogame designer (and creator of Spore and SimCity) Will Wright; and Nobel Prize-winning astrophysicist George Smoot. All three can be found on the faculty and adviser list of the recently founded Singularity University (Silicon Valley), of which Kurzweil is chancellor and trustee.

If the pace of technology continues to accelerate, as Kurzweil predicts, it seems likely that discussion of the singularity will see an exponential growth of its own. Few would dispute that it's one of the 21st century's most compelling ideas, because it connects issues that intensely polarise people (God, the energy crisis, genetic engineering) with sci-fi concepts that stir the imagination (artificial intelligence, immersive virtual reality, molecular engineering). Thanks largely to Kurzweil and the singularity, scenarios once viewed as diverting entertainment are being reappraised with a new seriousness. The line between fanciful thinker and credible, scientific analyst is becoming blurred: what once would have been relegated to the realms of sci-fi is now gaining factual currency.

"People can wax philosophically," says Kurzweil. "It's very abstract – whether it's a good thing to overcome death or not – but when it comes to some new methodology that's a better treatment for cancer, there's no controversy. Nobody's picketing doctors who put computers inside people's brains for Parkinson's: it's not considered controversial."

Might that change as more people become aware of the singularity and the pace of technological change? "People can argue about it," says Kurzweil, relaxed as ever within his aura of certainty. "But when it comes down to accepting each step along the way, it's done really without much debate."

'Transcendent Man' (transcendentman.com) screens at Sheffield Doc/Fest (0114 276 5141, sheffdocfest.com), running in association with 'The Independent', from 4-8 November

The greatest thing since sliced bread?

Ray Kurzweil's guide to incredible future technologies — and when he thinks they're likely to arrive...

1 Reconnaissance dust

"These so-called 'smart dust' – tiny devices that are almost invisible but contain sensors, computers and communication capabilities – are already being experimented with. Practical use of these devices is likely within 10 to 15 years"

2 Nano assemblers

"Basically, these are three-dimensional printers that can create a physical object from an information file and inexpensive input materials. So we could email a blouse or a toaster or even the toast. There is already an industry of three-dimensional printers, and the resolution of the devices that can be created is getting finer and finer. The nano assembler would assemble devices from molecules and molecular fragments, and is about 20 years away"

3 Respirocytes

"A respirocyte is a nanobot (a blood cell-sized device) that is designed to replace our biological red blood cells but is 1,000 times more capable. If you replaced a portion of your biological red blood cells with these robotic versions you could do an Olympic sprint for 15 minutes without taking a breath, or sit at the bottom of a swimming pool for four hours. These are about 20 years away" '

4 Foglets

"Foglets are a form of nanobots that can reassemble themselves into a wide variety of objects in the real world, essentially bringing the rapid morphing qualities of virtual reality to real reality. Nanobots that can perform useful therapeutic functions in our bodies, essentially keeping us healthy from inside, are only about 20 years away. Foglets are more advanced and are probably 30 to 40 years away"

5 Blue goo

"The concern with full-scale nanotechnology and nanobots is that if they had the capability to replicate in a natural environment (as bacteria and other pathogens do), they could destroy humanity or even all of the biomass. This is called the grey goo concern. When that becomes feasible we will need a nanotechnology immune system. The nanobots that would be protecting us from harmful self-replicating nanobots are called blue goo (blue as in police). This scenario is 20 to 30 years away"

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[info]mr_scummy wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)

It will be interesting to see if any of Ray Kurzweil's predictions come true in the timescales quoted. Personally I suspect this is just one of those exercises designed to excite a gullible media and generate lots of self-publicity.
Don't forget to do your research
[info]mikemcgettigan wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC)
before you scoff at his predictions you should investigate all of the predictions he has made that have already come true.
Re: Don't forget to do your research
[info]millennial wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 01:25 pm (UTC)
You should also make a point of not just going on confirmation bias, and in fact making sure to take note of all the predictions he's made that have *NOT* come true.
Keep thinking...
[info]corporeal_v002 wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)

Aint going to happen. For all those old enough to remember BBC's Tomorrows World will know what I mean...
Re: Keep thinking...
[info]fourpie wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 01:38 pm (UTC)
Well... the 'Startrek communicator' is with us in the form of our mobiles. The phasor exists, but is as yet the size of a dinner table. (As distinct from the Tazer, the conducting path is air turned to plasma by UV lasers.)

So I would not be too sure about "not going to happen".
Re: Keep thinking...
[info]corporeal_v002 wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 02:47 pm (UTC)

For every one item that becames a production item, there are ten things that didnt become reality...

So you are somewhat right, somethings will become commercally viable, but dont hold your breath...
Re: Keep thinking...
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 09:00 pm (UTC)
Mobile phones are sinply improvements on the battlefield radio telephones that were used in the 1940s, long before Tommow's World was presenting fantasies to the public.

The great surge in electronics technology occured in the 1950s, when valves were replaced by transistors. The rate of technological innovation has actually been declining.
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 01:20 pm (UTC)
Yes. I also seem to recall that we were promised a life of leisure and luxury in the 21st century, thanks to advances in robotics and computing.

In actual fact. all that happened is that companies now expect more work to be done in less time.

Besides, an a world where so many are starving, and where in the UK young people can't even afford a house to live in surely all these wondrous things that will prolong our life will only be available to the wealthy? You know, the bankers and political elite who serve society so well?
What he doesn't explain
[info]sillofthedoor wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 02:23 pm (UTC)
is how we are going to develop the wisdom to use this intelligence.

He talks about opposition to genetic engineering as if there weren't a whole slew of corporations intent on using the technology to gain absolute control of the food market, mndless exponential growth is what corporations do best so they are well positioned to scrtew us. Their poorly thought out designs reflecting their poorly thought out motives.

The big inhibitor is whether we can handle the technology and that will take a certain humility in our dealings with our environment as well as the ability as a whole to reflect properly on what we are doing.

These qualities are developing as well but are they in balance with our ability to effect change?
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 09:07 pm (UTC)
'tiny robots will reverse the effects of pollution, artificial intelligence will far outstrip (and supplement) biological human intelligence, and humankind "will be able to live indefinitely without ageing".

He obviously doesn't understand much about thermodynamics or chemistry.

And even less about energy and the environment, it seems. We will be lucky to still have a habitable planet by 2040. And if the planet is still habitable, we are unlikely to have much energy available to run machines.

But he is not alone in making heaps of money out of promoting nonsense. That is the norm in present day society.
Refuting Childish Claims
[info]refutingclaims wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 03:59 pm (UTC)
Your argument could not be more flawed. I wouldn't go as far as to say you are spewing poor arguments, since you are really just attacking with generalities and they can't really be called arguments. None of his predictions try to fight, and impossibly, beat the laws of thermodynamics or the information derived from the periodic table. Lack of energy seems to be your main objection? Do you think we will be able to run all of his predictions off gasoline? Of course not, but you left out the largest energy source of the Earth, the Sun. Personally I would rather follow what Kurzweil is saying and work towards a better future instead of fear mongering. At least he has researched his promotions (not to mention already invented and contributed wonderful technologies for the disabled) and is even making money doing it.
Re: Refuting Childish Claims
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 08:54 pm (UTC)
As far as energy goes, it all comes back to EROEI, something most poeple have never even heard of, let alone understand.

For raw materials it comes back to the absurd notion perpetual economic growth on a finite planet with finite resources, many of which are at or past peak. Helium is a good example of a substance that will not be available in anything like currrent qunatities a few years hence.

'work towards a better future' is neuro-linguistic programming, a catch-phrase which is perpetually used by politicians to con the general populace into supporting absurdity. All the things that really matter have been getting worse since the 1960s and the rate of worsening is accelerating. There are now more slaves in the world than at the time of the American plantations; there are more people starving than at any time in all of history; there are more pollutants wrecking living systems than at any time since the extermination of the dinosaurs; there are less tropical jungles than at any time since the last major ice age.

And we have insane policitians who are dedicated to converting sustainable systems into unsustanable systems, covering ever more productive land in concrete and asphalt fir motorwaysa nd shopping malls, pushing hard for GE monoculture agriculture than is dependent on massive chemical inputs that will not be available in teh near future.

It is increasingly clear that the concrete, asphalt and oil will run short before the insanity does.
[info]nullius123 wrote:
Sunday, 27 September 2009 at 11:02 pm (UTC)
Ray has a very impressive track record when it comes to predictions about technology. I read his first book *The Age of Intelligent Machines* which came out in 1989. His predictions seemed amazing at the time but turned out to be on the modest side. He followed that book up ten years later with *The Age of Spiritual machines* and again his predictions read like a sci-fi wish list, but while this time his prediction period is rather longer, already you can see that he is broadly right.

For a more British take on human-machine meshing, take a look at the work of philosopher Andy Clark.
[info]jamesg76 wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 03:19 pm (UTC)
... OK, first, he plans to use some kind of AI to simulate his father's memories and personality. Maybe you should read his books before dismissing him out of hand. Supercomputers by 2012 will be as powerful as a human brain, it's amazing to me that no one else thinks anything special could happen when those machines run scaled up brain simulations that we're already running on more feeble computers. Personally I think we will see fantastic things in a couple/few years.
(no subject) - [info]arcesileus - Monday, 28 September 2009 at 03:59 am (UTC) Expand
Fiction is not an idea that is impossible or unlikely, rather its the inability of man to comprehend
[info]blokeish wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
[..... "The issue is not just [that] something amazing is going to happen in 2045," he says. "There's something remarkable going on right now."
At the same time, he says humankind's inevitable move towards non-biological intelligence is "an essentially spiritual undertaking" ........]

There are talks on next stage of human evolution happening in this century. Breaking out from the 3rd dimension and into the 4th. (I am not able to understand what this means though I can pretend to.)

[.... In Kurzweil's estimation, we will be able to upload the human brain to a computer, capturing "a person's entire personality, memory, skills and history", by the end of the 2030s .....]

I believe this is already happening (but not with human technology). The human experiences are recorded into a cosmic library/database. When we are enlightened we are able to retrieve this information back. This information not only includes that of our own but of the entire human race, from past and present (and may be the future too).

[www.blokeish.com]
Nature of Change
[info]pdamad wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
I think his biggest contribution is not really the predications themselves. Its more about the nature of change. Today we live with a stunning level of technological change. Its ever more apparent and yet largely accepted as 'business as usual'.
He places the technological change of the 20th and 21st century as the driver for all other changes. For example in material science, medical/health all the way to power generation.

His fundamental view is that in all areas of human endeavour we will see (or are already seeing) the impact of the technology changes that have been strongly underway since the 1960’s. If the impact of these exponential changes are as significant as we have seen in the technology industries, then isn’t it obvious the western world in particular will be a very different place over the next 20-30 years.

Lifespan alone – increase lifespan even by another 10 years let alone 50+ and we see a very different society, with the divide between rich and poor growing wider. These issues will arise and many within my lifetime.

He is an optimist with a clear warning note. Maybe the 21st century is the most pivotal since we walked the plains of Africa. Perhaps some of us will be around to make that judgment.

JD
[info]rowengaurd wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 01:18 pm (UTC)
A step towrds imortality i suppose!
Nay-Sayers Should Actually do some research
[info]mattzadak wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 04:09 pm (UTC)
Nay-Sayers Should Actually do some research before they dismiss Ray's predictions.

This stuff is happening around us as I type this.

Scientists are working and have been working towards these goals with success.

Maybe, actually look it up.
Re: Nay-Sayers Should Actually do some research
[info]johnsmusicbox wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
Thank you, Matt. I'm glad someone else around here actually pays attention to the technological breakthroughs that we have already achieved, and continue to make on a daily basis.

Do a little research before just blindly spouting closed-minded tripe. Hell, ya know what, I'll even do it for you - here is just a small percentage of the things we (humanity) have managed to accomplish in just the last eight weeks...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/science/11obdna.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/170288/ibm_scientists_build_computer_chips_from_dna.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8211209.stm

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24022/

http://www.hizook.com/blog/2009/08/03/high-speed-robot-hand-demonstrates-dexterity-and-skillful-manipulation

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17699-microscopes-zoom-in-on-molecules-at-last.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/science/01trans.html?_r=1

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/23342/?a=f

http://www.physorg.com/news171126902.html

http://www.physorg.com/news171119747.html

http://www.physorg.com/news171563990.html

http://www.physorg.com/news171703166.html

http://singularityhub.com/2009/09/09/complete-genomics-press-release-nearly-doubled-the-number-of-sequenced-human-genomes-since-march/

http://www.physorg.com/news171812351.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911132907.htm

http://insidescience.org/research/first_detailed_photos_of_atoms

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090913134034.htm

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/23471/?a=f

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090916133521.htm

http://www.physorg.com/news172316465.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17802-superdense-data-stores-cool-down.html

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24127/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090920204455.htm

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327266.400-genetic-seamstress-uses-molecular-fingers-to-tweak-dna.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090922185658.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090923173952.htm

http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/23522/

http://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/bionics/augmented-reality-in-a-contact-lens/

http://www.technologyreview.com/communications/23535/


Sorry, now what were you all saying again?
Re: Uploading one's brain:
[info]jolydgr wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 04:05 pm (UTC)
Is this to be strictly a "copy" operation, or could one choose merely to"cut and paste"?

Stefan P., Lewis Center, Ohio
What about class and capitalism?
[info]phxinsurgent wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 04:27 pm (UTC)
Transhumanism is an elite capitalist fantasy. Read this:

Is that a singularity in your pocket or are you just happy to see me enslaved? Transhumanism's class problem.

http://firesneverextinguished.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-that-singularity-in-your-pocket-or.html
Hidden consequences?
[info]redwoodk wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 04:27 pm (UTC)
The 1956 sci-fi film Forbidden Planet (based on the Tempest) had a similar premise i.e. intelligence of advanced beings (this takes place on another planet) is uploaded into an common computer. The computer also had the capabilities of 3D replication. Ultimately, a monster derived from the legacy of the collective id created a physical monster that wiped out all biological life.
[info]pansi4 wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 06:38 pm (UTC)
I love this guy! Now I am going to write a YA novel. Thank you Ray! :)
A new take on an old religion
[info]historyscoper wrote:
Monday, 28 September 2009 at 06:58 pm (UTC)
Way back when, worshipping inanimate objects and attributing intelligence to them was called what?
Now it's a pseudoscientific religion to all-but worship silicon as God. Where is the new Silicon God Bible, I better check on amazon.com :)
[info]johnsmusicbox wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 01:05 am (UTC)
Thank you, mattzadak. I'm glad someone else around here actually pays attention to the technological breakthroughs that we have already achieved, and continue to make on a daily basis.

Do a little research before just blindly spouting closed-minded tripe. Hell, ya know what, I'll even do it for you - here is just a small percentage of the things we (humanity) have managed to accomplish in just the last eight weeks...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/science/11obdna.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/170288/ibm_scientists_build_computer_chips_from_dna.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8211209.stm

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24022/

http://www.hizook.com/blog/2009/08/03/high-speed-robot-hand-demonstrates-dexterity-and-skillful-manipulation

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17699-microscopes-zoom-in-on-molecules-at-last.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/science/01trans.html?_r=1

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/23342/?a=f

http://www.physorg.com/news171126902.html

http://www.physorg.com/news171119747.html

http://www.physorg.com/news171563990.html

http://www.physorg.com/news171703166.html

http://singularityhub.com/2009/09/09/complete-genomics-press-release-nearly-doubled-the-number-of-sequenced-human-genomes-since-march/

http://www.physorg.com/news171812351.html

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Sorry, now what were you all saying again?
Read Engines of Creation and The Singularity is Near before...
[info]sallymorem wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 04:00 am (UTC)
...you spout off about a future filled with evil corporations, pollution, lack of resources, class distinctions, etc.

As our technology grows more powerful, it gets smaller, it handles raw material more precisely, and it gets more adept at replicating things, including itself. And it does all of this at an accelerating pace.

These insights lead me to conclude...

1. That "pollution" will no longer be thought of that way, but as raw materials earlier technologies couldn't make use of.

2. That scarcities of all kinds will end...hence, economics as we know it will end. Every single human society since the stone age has had to manage scarcities. But in 15-20 years, we no longer will have to.

3. That "earning a living" will no longer be a concern for anyone.

4. That poor people will cease to exist. Everyone will have their own means of production in the form of nanotech replicators, hence everyone will be rich.

5. That there won't even be water shortages. Even the saltiest of water can be made potable at no cost by nanotech filtration systems. They'd simply pick out and set aside any offending particles for other uses. What will be left in the tap is good, clean, fresh, distilled water.

And so on and so on.

Don't believe me? Check out The Speculist and its show, Fast Forward Radio. Learn about accelerating technology, the Singularity, and the society of abundance:

http://www.blog.speculist.com/

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fastforwardradio

Check out Kurzweil's vision at his web site:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

Check out Eric Drexler's Foresight Institute on nanotechnology:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

Check out my own essay, The Problem with Linear Projections of the Future, in which I slice and dice the kind of outdated futurist projections that completely ignored the fact of accelerating technology:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15249383/The-Problem-with-Linear-Projections-of-the-Future

Check out my summary in Nanotechnology Explained:

http://www.helium.com/items/1327783-what-is-nanotechnology

As Phil Bowermaster says each week: "Something is going to happen. Something wonderful."

Nay-Sayers Should Actually do some research
[info]mattzadak wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 04:20 am (UTC)
Okay again what is this about idol worship and blah blah bash this bash that.


This is not a fairy tale mumbo jumbo write this stuff off kind of thing.

By refuting this evidence you are condemning literally everyone to a premature diseased death.

Jesus wants him to be more and more like him.

Jesus rose from the dead and is still alive.

What would Jesus do? Tell people to suffer with death the way we know it? No way.

You people that go out of your way to nay say the singularity and similar things make me sick.

I pray for people with this mind set.

It really is sad.

There's nothing wrong with choosing to let disease take over, especially if you believe in Jesus and in heaven.
Then what's the big deal right? I can see that.

But what I can't see is a healthy educated person effectively pulling down someone who wants to live. It's seriously a type of killing.

Can't you see?

Maybe you can and you're just sick.

Sick from the same thing that has affected us all since original sin. I can see how it could affect a person's perceptions.
Re: Nay-Sayers Should Actually do some research
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
"By refuting this evidence you are condemning literally everyone to a premature diseased death. "

Would you explain this please? I'm having a bit of difficulty following that logic!

Which evidence are you talking about?

How can refuting it condemn people to death? I'm happy to accept that the refutation of some things may lead to deaths, but I honestly have to say I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Your other post, howver, was very interesting!
Father revived?
[info]ktinga wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 08:25 am (UTC)
I've never heard RK claim that for his own father. It *might* be possible for a vitrified brain in the future but I thought his father was interned traditionally.
There is no computer
[info]mikehydrosoils wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 06:27 pm (UTC)
I cannot fit my brain onto a computer, I keep upgrading, but it just will not work, my brain moves forward faster. And I have been trying since 1989, before that I worked to success without a computer, since then it has slowed me down a lot.
Heisenberg says no
[info]kcmurphy88 wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:00 pm (UTC)
Back up the brain as a state vector and run it? I think not. Cannot even define the state let alone copy it. Might as well tow clouds.
Do you want to know more about acclerating technology?
[info]sallymorem wrote:
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 at 10:31 pm (UTC)
Listen to FastForwardRadio tonight live at 9:30 pm CDT here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fastforwardradio

Phil Bowermaster and Steven Gordon will be your show hosts. I'll be your chat host.

We'll be talking about the unexamined assumptions we make about life in the future.
Teaching the young
[info]mfritz0 wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 04:15 am (UTC)
If what Ray Kurzweil suggests comes to fruition I would certainly hope man has the forsight and the intelligence to record every single person that ever lives wether they are used in the program or not. I would hope the data would be saved like fingerprints and that hopefully the minds of the best teachers, especially the teachers, be retained in a public library where anybody can download, and have their own personal teacher. It would certainly improve education, and in turn, improve man.
I like this take on the future
[info]drknd wrote:
Wednesday, 30 September 2009 at 06:12 pm (UTC)
Don't know if any of this is real, but I love the forwardness of it, and how it challenges conventional thinking about who we are and why we are and what we can do about it.
relativity versus progress
[info]pertold wrote:
Saturday, 3 October 2009 at 12:35 am (UTC)
test
relativity versus progress
[info]pertold wrote:
Saturday, 3 October 2009 at 01:00 am (UTC)
I believe I have explanation for why we have such a hugely different view of the progress done in the past, being made and expected to happen.

The human brain understands nearly everything in relative terms. Whether something or somebody is fast, beautiful, healthy, lazy, energetic, comfortable, modern is in comparison with other things and people. Some people do this more, other less.

This ‘relative’ property of the brain keeps us wanting more and keeps the progress going.

As all around us improves, relativity erases the perception of any progress from our mind. If you don’t force yourself to remember based on written facts how the things were 20, 40 years ago, you tend to think that they were about the same as today or better.

Chances are that if you don’t see the past progress, you won’t see the future progress either. Even if you stop aging, you will still not see it. We already live 2x longer than people did 100 years ago.

Past exponential progress of information technology is well documented in numbers. There are no physical limits to a future exponential progress for next century. No one knows the future, but I believe if you stick to physical laws like Kurzweil does, you can predict the future as successfully as Feynman did in his now famous 1950’s speech “There is a plenty of room at the bottom”. He basically predicted all we have today plus more of the nanotechnology that is coming.

I’ve got to go now, eat some fish and veggies, have a good sex and sleep so I can be here in 30 years in a good form to see who was right.
Smart Dust, Nano911 and Blue Goo
[info]myeyesrwideopen wrote:
Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 05:06 pm (UTC)
If you have Morgellons you will understand what this man is talking about. Google chemtrails, morgellons and Nano911. These self replicating nanobots are taking place right now just as he said. Many of us are being experimented on and many do not know it. The highest incident of Nano911 is in Florida, Texas and California. If you research further google Nano911 and Amtrak it will explain further "The Plans" for the future of the NWO movement. We are now experiencing the new FCC regulations, Amtrak is given a huge chunk of the stimulus bill and many of us humans have morgellons. Most do not report it out of fear from the government. This truly shows mankind can bring us to ruin. GMOs, Pollution, extinction and the list goes on and on.

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