Science

Partly Sunny with Showers 10° London Hi 11°C / Lo 7°C

How Islamic inventors changed the world

From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and identifies the men of genius behind them

1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.

3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.

4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).

16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.

17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.

18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.

"1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new exhibition which began a nationwide tour this week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester. For more information, go to www.1001inventions.com.

Post a Comment

View all comments that have been posted about this article.

Offensive or abusive comments will be removed and your IP logged and may be used to prevent further submission. In submitting a comment to the site, you agree to be bound by the Independent Minds Terms of Service.

Comments

muslim the start of humanity
[info]paz73 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 03:15 pm (UTC)
wow the muslims really did show us the way into the modern world.
20 Islamic Inventors/Inventions That Changed the World: Debunked
[info]paul_vallely wrote:
Wednesday, 7 October 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC)
The entire article has been refuted in the following link:

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/20_Islamic_Inventions
This is not strange for me
[info]ffhara wrote:
Saturday, 16 May 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC)
Every body read the histroy well know the role of middle east and especially muslims in modern inventions. It is true muslims are not in good condition today, but this doesn't deny their great role in serving the humanity with experimental sciences.
Re: This is not strange for me
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
Indeed.

It's just a shame about all the dogma, invasions, forced conversions, mutilations, underage sex and murdering.
Re: This is not strange for me - [info]mnaim - Thursday, 8 October 2009 at 05:04 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: This is not strange for me - [info]corporeal_v002 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 08:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Muslims
[info]barghouthi wrote:
Sunday, 17 May 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)
During the prosperity of Islamic civilization ...
they really contributed to the prosperity of all humanity
Pioneers in all fields .. but some scientist of the renaissance era took advantage of that as if
the inventions was founded by them.
Propaganda
[info]hksteve wrote:
Monday, 27 July 2009 at 08:24 am (UTC)
I really think for an article like this to promote the contribution of Islam to the world, it really has to distinguish from those contributions that are a direct result of Islam and those that just happen to be Muslims who discovered them. From the list above:

Islamic Contributions:
5, 9, 16

People who happen to be Muslims:
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20

The real lesson here is not the greatness of Islam but a recognition that where stable learning environments exist knowledge can be built upon and breakthroughs made.

If the above list is a reflection of the 'quality' of the exhibition, I think I will be giving it a miss...


Re: Propaganda
[info]tomasotabasco wrote:
Sunday, 16 August 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC)
I would say the problem here is more your racist mentality rather then propaganda, which has it very hard to accept good things about people that are been taught to you by your parents and racist eurocentric community as "ignorant barbarians with burkas".
Really, then what are the "facts"? Let me awnser this one, every non-European man never could have been contributed to science cause of the simple fact that he isnt European. Only Europeans could have done it, as they can burp thunders and flames, the rest of humanity are nothing else then useless creatures.

Every civilisation like Arabs, Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians.... did learned first of all from eachother for so to build the knowledge further and pass it to another. History of science is nothing else then this, there is no one saying muslims did it all by theirselfs.
Re: Propaganda - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Propaganda - [info]truthseeker09 - Wednesday, 26 August 2009 at 12:43 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Propaganda - [info]ebbi581 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC) Expand
Islamic inventions
[info]muswatchdog wrote:
Wednesday, 5 August 2009 at 10:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah right from this article it looks like everything came from the islamic world. What a bunch of lies!! how come nothing is coming now? What it was is how it is now. The free western world keeps inventing stuff as they always have like the computer & internet for example & muslims use it for posting lies!!
Re: Islamic inventions
[info]juve_girl wrote:
Tuesday, 25 August 2009 at 02:34 pm (UTC)
If you really want to know...

Just as Europe was modernizing, say round about the early 1800s, they started expelling the Muslims from Europe. As a parting gift, they stripped them of their wealth on their way out. These people had, in most cases, lived for centuries in Europe and had no connections or familiarity to the lands they now found themselves in. Poor, homeless and disillusioned, they turned their backs on the land that rejected them, and went digging into their past, looking for some type of comfort.

During this period, Europe and eventually the Americas, leapt forward scientifically, making incredible breakthroughs using the fundamentals of science and math learned from the Muslims. They then turned their inventions and attentions to conquering the pan-Islamic world, who were incapable of defending themselves against the bombardment from various fronts and various threads (Portugal, Briton, France, etc.) with far superior weaponry.

They became a colonized people, torn from their traditions and forced to adapt to European standards. Their lands were stripped of their natural resources for little or no consideration of the indigenous people. A few nations are only now just beginning to recover from this occupation. Others still have a long way to go. Rather than our accusations and biogtry, they need our help, understanding and apologies.

For your personal knowledge, these claims are well and widely known and accepted throughout the west. It would take little effort on your part to verify these claims.
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 12:08 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 01:12 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]ikhawk - Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 02:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 02:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Monday, 31 August 2009 at 08:18 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]hamzah84 - Tuesday, 1 September 2009 at 07:06 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]hamzah84 - Tuesday, 1 September 2009 at 07:18 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]hamzah84 - Tuesday, 1 September 2009 at 07:27 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]sinbadsilk - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]ebbi581 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions (Mustwatchdog) - [info]ebbi581 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Monday, 31 August 2009 at 08:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Tuesday, 1 September 2009 at 12:53 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 06:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 06:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 06:32 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 07:02 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 07:02 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 07:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 09:14 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 12:47 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 12:49 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 03:15 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 03:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 08:40 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 10:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Monday, 7 September 2009 at 11:17 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]muswatchdog - Monday, 7 September 2009 at 11:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Islamic inventions - [info]juve_girl - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 05:45 pm (UTC) Expand
Islamic inventors chnanging world
[info]hinduman wrote:
Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 07:48 pm (UTC)
I don't know if a particular religion has anything to do with inventions, I think most of the contributions that you have mentioned here are to do with Arabic culture which existed way before Mohd. introduced Islam to the Arabs.
Re: Islamic inventors chnanging world
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:38 pm (UTC)
Yes but why let facts get in the way of some vile propaganda?

It is the Independent after all. And they love patting each other on the back at their dinner parties, saying "some of my best friends are Muslims".
Islamic inventors changing world
[info]hinduman wrote:
Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 08:12 pm (UTC)
But I will also add this that it is very notable that the Islamic world relies heavily on the west for science and technology & any kind of modern ammenities to make for a comfortable living. As an Indian, I have this to say from my observation, India was invaded first by the Muslim emperors & then by the British colonialists. India & Pakistan were granted freedom around the same time after the seperation of India & Pakistan. But today India being a much bigger country than Pakistan, has made significant economic progress than Pakistan, India & China are global players today whilst Pakistan is plagued by its own extremism & has become a breeding ground for terrorism. In a recent survey it was found that the muslims in India are considerably backward though educationally, socially, and economically. Bangladesh, Pakistan & Afghanistan are among the most under-developed in the region. I don't know if religion has anything to do with progression & regression but my better judgement tells it is so. Ancient India had much to contribute to the world in the fields of medicine (ayurveda), Astronomy. mathematics, Yoga etc. It's rich heritage was looted & plundered by many invaders including the Islamic rulers. But over the years it has managed to bounce back but it's biggest threat is terrorism which really makes me question a number of things
Re: Islamic inventors changing world
[info]thinkfree2 wrote:
Friday, 9 October 2009 at 12:44 pm (UTC)
The depradations of the Moghuls in India were enormous, with some estimates claiming they killed as many as 80 million people. From http://www.indiastar.com/wallia13.htm ... Throughout "The Story of Islamic Imperialism in India", Goel draws on contemporary Muslim chronicles: Chachnama on the eighth century Arab invasion of Sindh; Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud Ghaznavi's secretary; Kamil-ut-Tawarikh of Ibn Asir on Muhammad Ghuri's invasions; Tuzk-i-Timuri of Amir Timur; and so on to the Mughal dynasty. Here's a sample quote from Goel's meticulous historical research: "Amir Khusru, ... supposed to be the pioneer of secularism in India ... wrote as follows in his Khazain-ul-Futuh also known as the Tarikh-i-Alai: 'The whole country by means of the sword of our holy warriors has become like a forest denuded of its thorns by fire. The land has been saturated by the waters of the sword, and the vapours of infidelism [Hinduism] have been dispersed.

The Sanskrit script was completely lost and only re-discovered by the British.
how do you know
[info]nodhimmi wrote:
Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 10:27 pm (UTC)
One quick question to the author how do you know that the so called "Islamic inventions" were not borrowed by these inventors from other cultures that existed around that time?
Islam & the West
[info]nodhimmi wrote:
Sunday, 6 September 2009 at 07:49 pm (UTC)
How about a relevant question " how much does Islam owe to the West"? I mean had the car not been invented by the West, Saudi oil would have been of no use
Not done very much lately
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
Could have been a different civilzation if you consider recent developments.
Re: Not done very much lately
[info]corporeal_v002 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 08:46 pm (UTC)

Correct.

But there is a global change in the Muslim world thanks to Bush and Blair. Initially it look bad because of muppets like the Taliban but it will get much better in the future...
What a load of nonense
[info]vaakklaas wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:15 am (UTC)
I don't have time to go through all 20 'facts' but most are just very dishonest and easily reconizable as false for anyone with some common knowledge

So in reverse order
20
Muslims invented the Garden?
How about the Hanging Garden of Babylon built in 600 BC LOL

And Tulips come from eastern Kazakhstan, they were brought westwards first by Genghis Khan and later by migrating Turkish Tribes

19
Only Muslims themselves claim this but it's definitely false
The Muslim world only learned of gunpowder midway the 13th century the first European cannon was fired around 1248
Witch is before even their own scholars claim of 1260

18
Sure they did but so did the Greeks about 12 centuries earlier and so did the Indians for that matter. In fact a spherical earth was accepted as true by the elites of all western and middle eastern since the Greeks it's a complete myth that people thought the world was flat.

17
Ṣakk is Persian not Arabic
This example is true but it stems from the Persian empire again centuries before Islam even existed

So there debunked on the fly by a 21 years old physics student with some common knowledge. How dumb are the journalists of this paper anyway?
And now I'm bored so fact check the rest yourselves if you feel the need
Re: What a load of nonense
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:34 pm (UTC)
They're not dumb, they are wilfully mendacious.

It's all part of the plan.
lets get the facts right
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:35 am (UTC)
these are not muslim nor arab inventors !!! they just happened to be a nation conquered by arabs or muslims!!! its like calling egyptians arabs!!! they are not arabs although there might be some who would like to consider themselves as arabs!!!
islam has not contributed anything to the world civilization but murder,rape and destruction. every nation muslims conquered they just brought misery and bloodshed . lets get the facts right!!!
Re: lets get the facts right
[info]givemesight wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
are you referring to Israel's occupation of Palestine or England's occupation of Ireland or were you just talking about the first world war or hold on the second world war or hold on just the atomic bombing of Japan or were you referring to Germans during 1930s or 1940s or how the vatican helped themescape to south america. Dunno - what are you referring to?
Re: lets get the facts right - [info]ebbi581 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 12:36 pm (UTC) Expand
West became more succesful because they stole everything from Muslims including Natural resourses.
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 07:40 am (UTC)


West became more succesful because they stole everything from Muslims including Natural resourses.
Re: West became more succesful because they stole everything from Muslims including Natural resourse
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:36 pm (UTC)
Everything?

You truly are deluded. But then again, one has to be to believe in a medieval fairy story really.
typical....
[info]darryn87 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
how about an article on european inventions? oh, hang on a moment, i guess we'd be here reading till the rapture, on how european pagan and christian civilization and invention shaped the world, wouldn't we. typical british leftwing pap.
Re: typical....
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 09:06 am (UTC)
Darry87, European inventors copied Muslim inventors.
European or Western people are good at copying and invading over lies and stealing oil and other mineral resourses. That's why they became more successful. Muslims don't steal from European Westerns. Get it?
Re: typical.... - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:34 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: typical.... - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:44 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: typical.... - [info]djangovsartana - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:55 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: typical.... - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:58 pm (UTC) Expand
True but without context: and so tendentious and dishonest.
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 11:31 am (UTC)
This article presents facts in a way that is, either by ignorance or design, fundamentally misleading. Much of it simply attests that human beings are fundamentally curious and that many of them, if they have the means and the leisure, are prepared to devote time and effort to experiment. This human tendency is as common among ancient peoples as among contemporary folk, and is no less, or more, prevalent among Muslims than among others. Much of the information that the writer has collated does no more than affirm that fact.

The tribes that emerged in a "conquest spree" out of the Arabian peninsula in the 7th century AD following the triumph of Islam among them were good at herding sheep and goats, trade and some sorts of craftsmanship, and - especially - at warfare. Not much else. Out in a wider world, they absorbed, and subsequently built on, the achievements of cultures more advanced than theirs, which they conquered and subdued - primarily those of the Persian Empire and the far eastern remains of that of Rome. They were curious and inventive; no less but no more than the people that they conquered. Most significantly of all, they were "top dogs" in their region, and for a long time, with long centuries to improve on what they had learned from others.

To take but a few of the items on this list, the architectural achievements of the mediaeval caliphates had their roots in the architecture of the Roman Empire, and they got domes from buildings like the Emperor Justinian I's Holy Wisdom Cathedral in Constantinople. Their interest in gunpowder was kindled (in more senses than one!) by "Greek fire", the mysterious compound which the Byzantine navy used to explode and burn out enemy ships - very often the caliphate's own warships! And, while western Europe's floors, along with much else, were indeed earthy and the agriculture simple and basic for long centuries after the decline of Roman civilization in the west as a result of the endless population movements from the north and east, the Roman Empire in the east, and the Persians further east still, maintained their ancient civilization with very posh floors and gorgeous gardens ...

None of this is intended to deride the achievements of the mediaeval Muslim Caliphates, which were considerable - and at a time when western Europe was a simple, feudal, "peasant and knight" agrarian society. But this list suggests that the Muslims were somehow out of the ordinary for their time. They weren't. It provides information without context in a way which misleads. And I suspect that it has been compiled with a contemporary, socio-political agenda about which it isn't "up-front".

And is therefore, I think, dishonest.
Re: True but without context: and so tendentious and dishonest.
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC)
When Muslims were inventing what you stole from them and are taking for granted now, Western world lived in Viking caves.
Not only you stole our lands by colonialism and occupation but stole our invetions and cultures.
.. and oil and gold and diamond and, and .......
Re: True but without context: and so tendentious and dishonest. - [info]colinru - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: True but without context: and so tendentious and dishonest. - [info]john_b_ellis - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC) Expand
Same ignorance,
[info]seekingknowl wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 12:49 pm (UTC)
Most of you writing out of ignorance, bother your self and order free copy of Quran and read it first before start commenting without any knowledge, Before ISLAM came to existence Arabs were living in dark ages as the European so called countries. Actually European were still trying to find out if woman even a human or she is a Satan. They lowered the women to the point they used them just for their own pleasure ** Check your Facts**, Once Islam came it changed everything in Arabia it called them to worship one god instead of worshipping God made by their own hand ** Exactly in HINDU religion**.
ISLAM contributed by helping a Muslim to seek knowledge in every aspect of the life, it taught Muslim how to deal, treat, contribute in daily life. Gave respect to woman while Europe was in dark ages :: The Dark Ages is a term in historiography referring to a period of cultural decline or societal collapse that supposedly took place in Western Europe between the fall of Rome and the eventual recovery of learning and the the Age of Enlightenment came during 17th and 18th centuries. While the the Islamic Golden Age is traditionally dated from the 7th to 13th centuries C.E, but has been extended to the 15th . During this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to the arts, agriculture, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving and building upon earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own. Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent." And just for the dumb people who writing out of hate to anything called Islam, don't LOOK AT the action of MUSLIMS now days look at Islam. because we can accuse you as Christian for killing more than eight hundred thousand Muslim in Kosovo,
I will ask you to do your self a favor and look and find out who found the basic of Algebra and who invented Zero and the Sand Watch.... look in to these things with open mind and not with closed raciest mind... ! some of the info are from wikipedia.org
Re: Same ignorance,
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:33 pm (UTC)
Since you're into Wikipedia, do a search for RAZZIAS.

That, alongside piracy for sea-going families, was the only experience of "Islamic enlightenment" available to ordinary western Europeans for quite a few hundred years - even up to the early nineteenth century, though I grant you that the golden age of the caliphates was well past and gone by then ...

Blonde women, I think, fetched a particularly good price in Algiers ...
Jews and Muslims
[info]thenrg26 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC)
The Jews (around 15.5 millions) are less than 0.25% of the world population (6.3 bullion)
Around 22% (more then 1 out of 4!) of the noble price winners in the past century were Jewish

The Muslims (around 1.6 billion) are about a quarter of the world's popultion (6.3 billion)
Less than 1% of the noble price winners in the past century were muslims

Jews ROCK
Re: Jews and Muslims
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:42 pm (UTC)
Noble Price is a Crusader, Zionist creation, you racist, Imperialist, bigot ignorant who stole everything from Muslims, from oil to inventions! Go back to your Viking caves!
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]djangovsartana - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]thenrg26 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:08 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]thenrg26 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 01:58 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]djangovsartana - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:04 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]djangovsartana - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 03:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]marlinspike2009 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:03 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]djangovsartana - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 09:02 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]john_b_ellis - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:37 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Jews and Muslims - [info]juve_girl - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 06:02 pm (UTC) Expand
this reminds me of the Scotch game of The Scotch Invented Everything
[info]tph197 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:30 pm (UTC)
This article reminds me of the Scotch game of The Scotch Invented Everything. If Mohammedanism is so great how come they are all queuing up to get into England. You may equally say How the English Changed the world. The British have invented a thousand times more things than the Mohammedan world, including the language we are communicating in. We also practically invented the concept of Liberty. The only legacies the Muslim world have given us is violence, ignorance, cruelty and barbarism.
Re: this reminds me of the Scotch game of The Scotch Invented Everything
[info]givemesight wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 06:56 pm (UTC)
Erm...the English invented English? Hahaha...yeah someone sat down and invested it. Sadly another import for the Brits!!! The indigenous language was of course Celts and Saxon - middle English - read Beowulf!

English was imported! Combination of German and Frenc/Latin...remember the Roman invasion?
Oh, and while I'm at it in here ...
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:46 pm (UTC)
... "The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia ...."

Paull Vallely opens his piece with that story. Which raises the interesting question of what an Arab called Khalid was doing tending his goats on a piece of land in southern Ethiopia, so far from home ... land belonging to a distinct people who aren't Arabs today, and presumably weren't Arabs then either.

Could he have been ... perish the thought! - an invader?! A Muslim imperialist?! A COLONIALIST?!!

Yeah, trivial, yah-boo point-scoring, I know ... But so many other people are at it, so I thought I might as well put my oar in as well ...
The other side of coin
[info]test0000222 wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:57 pm (UTC)
Muslims also invented Sharria Law that dehumanizes their women and people of other faith.
They also invented the concepts of fatwas and jihads.
In the name of God and peaceful religion today 90% of the world terrorists are Muslims.
Re: The other side of coin
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 03:33 pm (UTC)
Women in the "democratic" 21st century West are still underpaid and used for sex.
Re: The other side of coin - [info]juve_girl - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 06:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The other side of coin - [info]jacktrez - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 09:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: The other side of coin - [info]corporeal_v002 - Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 08:49 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]candlemuncher wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 05:45 pm (UTC)
I'm sure the third reich contributed to science too, but I wouldn't expect to see a lazy article on that in the media right now.
checkmate
[info]jixel wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 06:00 pm (UTC)
not sure about all the items above but the word check and check mate also come from farsi, namely shah (sheik), and shah-mat (king dead)

source: http://schemingmind.com
It is all because of Islam
[info]abdul_ali_khan wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 08:21 pm (UTC)
Anyone who says that the people who made these inventions just happened to be Muslim and therefore Islam does not deserve the credit for it, answer these questions:
Why did the Islamic Golden Age begin soon after Mohammad (Sall'Allahu Alaihi Wasallam) introduced Islam to Arabia?
Why is it that the Arab, Persian, North African and Spanish world began to prosper as soon as Islamic conquests had arrived at their doorstep?
If Islam does not deserve the credit for their prosperity, are you saying that these places would have began to prosper anyway? Consider the fact that the non-Muslim world, especially Europe, hardly made any scientific progress during this entire period and lived in extremely backwards civilizations.

In response to hksteve, "The real lesson here is not the greatness of Islam but a recognition that where stable learning environments exist knowledge can be built upon and breakthroughs made."

You tried to argue that many of these achievements did not stem from Islamic teachings, this is clearly in contradiction with the fact that it was exclusively the Islamic civilization that was prospering. If it was simply the case that prominent scientists HAPPENED to be from the Muslim world during this period, why didn't any prominent scientists HAPPEN to be from Europe? I'll tell you why: Because Islamic teachings greatly stress the importance of science and learning.

"The blood of the scholar is holier than the ink of the martyr"

In that sense, all 20 of the above achievements stem from Islamic teachings, this is evident through the fact that it was these teachings that seperated the Muslim world from the non-Muslim world and we now know for a fact that the greatest, most advanced and the most scientific civilizaitions of the time were Muslim.

You only call it propoganda because you are afraid of admitting that Muhammad's (Sall'Allahu Alaihi Wasallam) message is largely responsible for the advancement of mankind, it is largely responsible for the civilization YOU live in, you are afraid of that consequences of that fact, don't worry, it is a rather common complex.

Rather it is you who is spreading propoganda, all of those who argue against this article: your arguments are FULL of contradictions and western brainwashed stereotype. That is truly sad for you, as if your life is already over.

Stop being afraid. You deserve to know: http://www.whyislam.org/
Mohammed
[info]asonberg wrote:
Thursday, 17 September 2009 at 09:25 am (UTC)
Since this thread has evolved into a wider discussion of Islam not just the immense contribution Islam has made to science and the world, I will give a counterpoint to some of what has been said.

Mohammed was a paedophile. According to hadith he married his bride Aisha when she was aged 6 years old and had sex with her when she was 9 years old. Now to the proof;

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

**********************************************************************************

Most popular