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Is this the secret of eternal life?

Rita Levi-Montalcini won a Nobel Prize for discovering nerve growth factor. Now, at 100, she appears to be benefiting.

By Peter Popham

Rita Levi-Montalcini celebrates

RICCARDO DE LUCA / AP

Rita Levi-Montalcini celebrates

Most centenarians attribute their great age to some magic elixir or other. The longevity of the Italian scientist Rita Levi-Montalcini, who this week became the first Nobel Prize-winner to reach the age of 100, might be the result of a potion that is a little out of the ordinary: Professor Levi-Montalcini, it is said, puts her undiminished mental vigour down to regular doses of nerve growth factor (NGF) – the discovery that made her famous.

She was awarded the 1986 Nobel Prize for Medicine jointly with an American, Stanley Cohen, for her research into NGF: the proteins and amino-acids which enable the cells of the nervous system to grow and take on specialised tasks. Despite her age, Dr Levi-Montalcini, a neurologist and development biologist, still works every day at the European Brain Research Institute, which she founded in Rome.

During numerous celebrations this week, she claimed that her brain was more vigorous today than it was four decades ago. "If I'm not mistaken," she said, "I can say my mental capacity is greater than when I was 20 because it has been enriched by so many experiences, in the same way that my curiosity and desire to be close to those who suffer has not diminished."

According to Pietro Calissano, who collaborated with the professor on an article for Scientific American in which she announced her discovery in 1979, NGF may have played a direct role in her amazing vitality. "Every day, she takes NGF in the form of eye drops," he said, "but I can't say for sure if this is her secret. At the start, it seemed this molecule's effect was restricted to acting on the peripheral nervous system, but then it emerged that it has a very important role in the brain. Contrary to what was believed, the brain does not have a rigid structure but is in continuous movement, and NGF helps neurons – which we begin to lose between 10 and 15 years old – survive."

Italy pulled out all the stops to honour Dr Levi-Montalcini, with parties, seminars and more awards to add to her pile. Most appreciated of all was a decision by the universities ministry to award her research institute a grant of €500,000 (£448,000). She said: "The scientific director of the institute and I have spent many days wondering how to solve our financial problems." The money gives the institute a few more months' lease of life."

Dr Levi-Montalcini also praised her homeland, adding: "I say to the young, be happy that you were born in Italy because of the beauty of the human capital, both masculine and feminine, of this country ... No other country has such human capital."

Yet the country she loves did all in its power to curtail her career before it began. She was born to a cultured Jewish family in Turin in 1909, the daughter of an electrical engineer and a painter. Defying her father's wishes, she went to medical school and graduated in 1936. She immediately enrolled as a postgraduate, but in the same year Mussolini published his Manifesto for the Defence of the Race, followed in 1938 by new laws banning "inferior races" from education and forcing her out of university.

"Don't fear difficult moments," she said, "the best comes from them." But her "difficult moments" were to last nearly 10 years. She fled to Belgium to continue her studies, but the imminent invasion of the Nazis in 1940 forced her to return to Turin, where she constructed a laboratory in her bedroom. When the Allies bombed the city in 1941, she fled to the countryside and built another lab in a country cottage. Then the German invasion of Italy in 1943 sent her fleeing to Florence, where she lived incognito until the war's end, working as a nurse and doctor among the disease-ridden refugees. After the war she accepted an invitation to study in America, where in the subsequent decades her most important work was done. She only returned to Italy full time after she retired in 1977.

Dr Levi-Montalcini was made a senator for life in 2001 and from 2005 to 2007 she played a vital role in supporting the centre-left government of Romano Prodi, which had a wafer-thin Senate majority and needed every vote to stay afloat. Despite her age, Dr Levi-Montalcini never failed it, earning the wrath of the right-wing opposition in the process.

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[info]sb_uk wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 05:30 am (UTC)
Mental vigour comes from exercising the mind.

Physical vigour comes from exercising the body.

Man is all about mind (the body is simply a housing for mind).

Dr Levi-Montalcini keeps her mind alive by thought -
- the eyedrops are neither 'here ni there'.

Simplistic
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 05:53 am (UTC)
"but in the same year Mussolini published his Manifesto for the Defence of the Race, followed in 1938 by new laws banning "inferior races" from education" - Well, there's a turn up for the books, eh! And we were always taught that Italian fascism was not anti-semitic and only became so in response to Nazi demands. It's good to have these things refuted.

sb_uk is being little bit simplistic. Mind and body are not completely separate categories. His dualism stems from Descartes. He should try reading Spinoza as well.
Secret of eternal life
[info]frigalo wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 07:01 am (UTC)
Is she flogging the stuff yet? If so, where do I buy it?
simplistic but with nuances
[info]laserdent wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 08:18 am (UTC)
It is true that the fascists government passed and carried out anti semetic laws but the Italian army (which was savage in eitopia using poison gas on villages) at times protected jews in their care , as a policy , as did the Italian navy.

In general to their credit despite their political partners the Italian people kept their humanity in europe during ww2.
geat
[info]kanchenjunga wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 09:00 am (UTC)
Chiennoir and sb_uk should both study the Lotus Sutra instaed of being bogged down with Western metaphysics which are a good introduction to higher planes of thought.
To say you didn't know about facism in Italy and all thay goes with it is an important statement about our education system almost as good as not knowing that Austria amongst othe countries was not de-Nazified after the war.
Great to see this women outliving her persecutors.
I have the real secret of eternal life.Read on.
[info]mssuperior wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 10:34 am (UTC)
Don't die.
[info]rsh_123 wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)
My cousin, a boy of 14, committed suicide after Italy's racial laws were passed because he was not allowed to attend school any more. His sister, a champion swimmer, was not allowed to use public swimming pools or compete any more, being of 'an inferior race'. She survived the war in Milan with false papers assuring everyone who read them of her 'racial superiority'.
The secret of a long life is not to shorten it.
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 12:37 pm (UTC)
The secret of a long life is not to shorten it.
[info]jollythecat wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 01:56 pm (UTC)
My neighbour, Mimarasia was 100 in January.
She still goes around our village collecting wood to put on the fire, plants potatoes and though deaf, is quite keen on a bit of a dance now and then.

Where I live, in north-west Spain, you die young at 80.
A hard life, lots of cabbage, lard and home made chorizo, jamon and unadulterated wine, seems to be the key to longevity.
There are some drawbacks. One is named Orujo. The world's most evil spirit. If you eat fruit preserved in Orujo, you may go to jail.
It's strange really, the wine is pure and will not give you hangovers.
Orujo (their version of grappa) will render you incapable for hours.
Quemada (flaming orujo) will most likely transport you to an alternate dimension, where nothing is quite what it seems.
For some time....
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 03:02 pm (UTC)
-------------------------
bete noir
Descartes -> Spinoza
-------------------------
------------------------------------------
kanchenchunga
(Descartes -> Spinoza) -> lotus sutra
-------------------------------------------

((Descartes -> Spinoza) -> lotus sutra) -> bible -> genetics -> physics (the 'God particle')

------
Bible
------
Tree of Life I -> Tree of Knowledge ('Good and Evil') -> Tree of Life II

Tree of Life I -------- Phylogenetic tree leading up to the speciation of man (genetics)
Tree of Knowledge -- Building the mind (psychology) (converges on {G.U.T,Higgs Boson ('God particle')} (physics))
Tree of Life II ------- Enhanced longevity through ... ... ...

----------------------------------------------
DjangovSanatana
... ... ... 'not prematurely curtailing life'
----------------------------------------------

----------
blackdog
Spinoza
----------

... from ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

where (from above)
mind
body
duals ->- combine to give us mind-body duality -

Both Descartes and Spinoza were correct.

Simply -
fill the bucket in your left hand with 1 l of water (body) [dual 1]
and then
fill the bucket in your right hand with 5 l of water (mind) [dual 2]
and then
trade them in for a 20l capacity bucket in your left hand hand filled with 6l of water [duality]

Sequence of events
------------------------
dual 1 -> dual 2 -> duality.

Both Spinoza and Descartes were correct.

~*~

--------------------
kanchenchunga
lotus sutra
---------------------

... from ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Sutra

'The Lotus Sutra also indicates (Chapter 4) that emptiness (sunyata) is not the ultimate vision to be attained by the aspirant Bodhisattva: the attainment of Buddha Wisdom is indicated to be a bliss-bestowing treasure which transcends seeing all as merely empty'

The nature of the Higgs Boson or 'God particle'
(from above)
reflecting a space which is forever unknowable to us and which powers evolution.

We're interested in becoming better (wisdom) which is attained through reaching an understanding of the line between the knowably real and unknowably real to the human mind.

(~that is~ to understand the limitations of the human mind)

The Higgs Boson exists within an unknowable space -
The Higgs Boson is real and unknowable -
The God particle as provably real (by inference) within a provably (by model) unknowable 'God space'.

~*~

Spinoza and the lotus sutra tell aspects of exactly this story
- the only story
- each using their own particular dialect.

~*~

It's all the same.

:-)
Dr. Levi-Montalcini
[info]jhsibal wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 04:49 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this article highlighting Italian science. Too often Italy is only presented as the land of good food, frescos and music; there is a long and vibrant scientific tradition which not only gave us Fermi, but also some of the best genetists in the world today.

And yes, where the hell can I buy this stuff?

Cheers,
Walking and chewing gum
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC)
kanchenjunga - I am actually extremely interested in Indian thought. Western metaphysics isn't everything. But it does have an analytical sharpness about it which is often lacking in Hindu inspired ideas. I don't believe in these either/or ways of thinking about things. We should know by now that walking and chewing gum at the same time are not physical impossibilities except for American presidents.
TILL DEATH DO US PART
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 08:47 pm (UTC)
The truth is, there is no secret of eternal life. Time waits for no one and Death awaits all us.
missed the main point
[info]hermestrismegis wrote:
Saturday, 25 April 2009 at 09:30 pm (UTC)
the secret of eternal life was mentioned but then glossed over in an amazing oversight...
Indeed it was her mentioning "desire to be close to those who suffer"

Someone please expalin how such a powerfull statement could be overlooked?
Bad science reporting
[info]karl_lemay wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 01:57 am (UTC)
This story degenerated, as so many do, into a science-celeb piece instead of about the science and how we might all benefit.

There was far more political content than science content here. Science, or "scmience" reporting as I call it, is almost always more concerned with politics, celebrities, or selling the latest gadget.

"Is this the secret of eternal life?" Just a teaser with no delivery. Peter Popham would do well to take a refresher journalism course.
Go to bed at eight.
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
Try honey and lemon in the morning. The olive oil I am told is good. Drown this with 25mg of baby aspirin. Wake up at five and have a nap at 12 to 2. Go to bed at eight. Eat carrots, Rabbit do not have spectacles. Eat lots of green, it gives a colour to your cheeks but then who wants the green colour. It is all complicated. One in 100 lives to 80. Why try his. Eat burgers. You live long. However, you need the insurance of two, 99999.99 just in case the price of coffin goes up when you die. Things go up daily and the Labour or The Tory does not look at the dead.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Re: Go to bed at eight.
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
>>> ref. Indy::hermestrismegis' reminder
"During numerous celebrations this week, she claimed that her brain was more vigorous today than it was four decades ago. "If I'm not mistaken," she said, "I can say my mental capacity is greater than when I was 20 because it has been enriched by so many experiences, in the same way that my curiosity and desire to be close to those who suffer has not diminished."

ooops!

Thanks - :-)

I didn't see that paragraph.

I think it may appear as though I copied

>>> ref. #1 "Dr Levi-Montalcini keeps her mind alive by thought - "

Anyhow
- 'Educating Rita' is Rita's educated view on her own longevity.

~*~

Apologies Centurion Leviticus.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/pink%20smilie%20lips/karlapictures/pinkhappy.gif

~*~

... ... where ... ...

there are two abstraction layers

'body and mind' (ref. Indy::chiennoir).

The traditional Roman centurion gladiator fights with his hands -
- and the *higher* Roman centurion warrior fights with her mind.

Both are expressions of desire to be close to those who suffer -
- as long as it's understood that complicity in human suffering is an animal (essential to animal) trait which *became* redundant at the speciation of man (some 30,000 years ago) -

because >>> ref. #1 'Man is [effectively] all about mind'

... ... and that net community benefit arises through one animal suffering at the hands of another in the battle for genomic supremacy
... ... and that net community benefit arises through one human learning from the suffering at the mind of another in the battle for the understanding of what it is to be human -
~ that is ~
the meaning of life (to man with mind).

Man has been about development of mind -
- development of mind which flourishes as minds learn from the pain which weaker minds inflict on better minds.
Re: Go to bed at eight.
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 09:25 am (UTC)
From Rome with Love?
Even monkeys paint
[info]slimetrout wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 07:32 am (UTC)
errol888flynn

Like a stopped clock you even manage to be right about somethings.

While you may be right about Levi-Montcalcin's ancestry,the fact is she was persecuted for being a Jew.

You are right in something else, Judiasm is a belief system, curiously is its persecutors that like to see it as a race.

Most Jews throughout history would have been more than happy to carry on being Russians/Germans/Poles/French/Italian/Moroccan/Turks/etc who happened to profess Judiasm. Unfortunately they weren't allowed to.
Re: Even monkeys paint
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC)
>>>slimetrout and errol888flynn 'the specifics of the downtrodden '

>>> '...complicity in human suffering is an animal (essential to animal) trait which *became* redundant at the speciation of man (some 30,000 years ago) - ...'

The drive to be complicit -
to drive inequality (action) or reactionary tendency (as victim)
to overcome inequality

is the commonality here.

We don't need to dwell on specifics -
specifics merely cloud the issue under human conflict.

~*~

The solution.

Both slimetrout and errol888flynn are correct.

If we want to prevent any further abuse of man against fellow -
- all we need do is see that we need do is see that there's a problem - and that it won't go away through awareness -

the cool part of the solution -
- is that the problem ~simply~ dissipates (physical conflict reflecting 'survival of the fittest')
when
mental conflict ceases (when we understand our context) -

- where grand unification theory is about to be published -
- and we'll find that grand unification theory unifies all aspects of {thought,reality} (and not just physics) -

- we'll understand our context and in the process will understand why we've been incapable of preventing ourselves
(up until now)
of behaving like barbarians.

An understanding of our context -
an understanding of our own poor behaviour (and why we could not help ourselves)
- an understanding of the point of life (to man with mind) -
all precede
(effectively concomitant with)
complete inactivation of the desires which have driven us to exert abuse on one another.

'sweet'

:-)
Re: Even monkeys paint
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
corrections
------------

- all we need do is see that we need do is see that there's a problem
->-
- all we need do is see that there's a problem

complete inactivation of the desires which have driven us to exert abuse on one another
->-
complete inactivation of the desires which have driven us to exert abuse upon one another


... ... ... awaits.


~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Sidi Bou Said (Bodies)
'magnet'
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

:-|)

electro-> / <-magnetism
[a duality of everted duals]

body -> / <- mind

Sidi Bou's [mind] Said Bodies

[mind:body duality]
Re: Even monkeys paint
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 09:32 am (UTC)
jollythecat,famulla >>> 'olive'

Incomplete idea -

1. Olives, Grapes
2. Polyphenolic content (tannins) of olives and grapes
3. Tannin (polyphenolic and related structures)
levels in products under intense heat and UV radiation (grapes,olives,tea) (grow in hot countries only - not in the UK for instance)
4. Elevated tannin levels in unripe fruit (a protective mechanism from premature consumption)
5. UV irradiation leads to enhanced likelihood of mutation of the genome of the fruit/vegetable -
(classical evolution by mutation) - which are then consumed and distributed for free competition -
'survival of the fittest'
6. The effects of UV/heat on tannins (deactivation) ??
7. The effects of heat on food containing tannins - of cooking ~eg~ brewing tea ??
8. Tannin 'chelation' ?
9. The effects of tannins on arresting growth ??

Is it possible that diet (tannins and related compounds) when treated appropriately (some heated, some fermented, some eaten fresh) -
results in an anti-proliferative (growth arrest)
- which'll serve to (if consumed) alleviate human disease -

Aha!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dietary unripe apple polyphenol inhibits the development of food allergies in murine models
FEBS Letters, Volume 579, Issue 20, Pages 4485-4491
H. Akiyama ... ... R. Teshima
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

with reference to the Comments section on the parallel thread on 'funding for cancer research'
http://lifeandstyle.independentminds.livejournal.com/358696.html
->- ->- ->-
'growth versus maintenance'

*Yes*

- that's the solution.

Polyphenols pip all-comers to the cure for over-zealous, over-exuberant male tendencies expressed within rogue immunological cell
(cancer, auto-immune, infectious disease reactivity, metabolic, cardiovascular and mental disease)
- solved using the apple.

Geeze!

The apple (bible)?
The apple (Newton)?
and
The apple (within the orchard of the Grantchester set)?

Awww scr*w!
- Yay!!! woo hoo! Yeee haaa!!!

uhuh

(I think)

nah!

I know.

:-)
Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-1)
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)
We all need to debate this issue without regard for political correctness. That way, many social ills in the West would be soon cleared up and we could regain our self-respect.

I beg to differ about why Levi-Montcalcin (and her ilk) was persecuted because, with all due respect, it is likely you have not yet studied, sufficiently, the long history of Central Asia and of Russia.

Asiatic 'Jews' (and their descendants -- study a photo of Madeline Albright) have become synonomous with the word 'Jew' simply because of their overwhelming, numerical superiority over the Sephardim. They are not real Jews, because they have no genetic link to the Holy Land. Yes, I know Zionists have commissioned countless genetic surveys to try to prove the opposite, but they were all cynical exercises in blinding the public with science and chutzpah.

Kindly note, circa 150,000 German half-Jews served in Hitler's Wehrmacht, some rising to very senior rank, and at least one winning the Iron Cross. A book proving this fact has already been published. Most French Jews led 'normal' lives under German occupation because they are descendants of Sephardic Jews, and not of Khazar (Asiatic) stock.

The 'Jews' buying up German assets during the Weimar Republic were all of Turkic (Asiatic) stock. Their financial position allowed them to mix with Caucasian German women; including the sexual abuse of maids and the running of brothels. After time, this began to generate great revulsion and enmity amongst ethnic & cultured Germans which led directly to the Nuremburg Laws. In other words, there was a massive accumulation of provocations before that series of harsh laws was enacted. Human nature being what it is, a great many innocent Asiatic Jews ended up being persecuted for the arrogance and racial aggression of their wealthier cousins.

I note you avoided acknowledging the far higher number of Christians and non-Asiatic members of East and Central Europe, who were killed between 1901 and 1948, either on the orders of these Asiatic (Khazar) Jews, or directly by their hand. Even the lower estimated number of non-Jews genocided in Eastern & Central Europe totally eclipses the number of Jews killed between 1939 and 1945. Therefore, why the obsession with only 'Jewish' suffering? Are we insane? Are you insane?

Your last paragraph seems to be claiming that over 50 different countries, over a timespan of 18 centuries were all wrong, and had no justification for their reactions whatsoever. Try reading the Talmud to learn why.

You also write: "Judiasm is a belief system, curiously is its persecutors that like to see it as a race." No, you are wrong. It is these Asiatic Jews who see themselves as a race, not their alleged persecutors. Note the following contrary examples. There are many more if you are interested -- and you should be:

(1) ********************************

Ze'ev Chafeto, the courageous Jewish editor of The Jerusalem Report magazine, notes that Israeli laws harshly prohibit people of non-Jewish races from immigrating to Israel. The Jews are determined to keep their race "pure" and unblemished, just as the Nazis sought for the Aryans. Christians are especially not welcome, and Israelis frequently use words similar to the condescending slang word "nigger" to describe Christians and Gentiles-vulgar, Yiddish slur words like "shiksa," "schwartze," and "shegetsz."

{CONTINUED}
Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-1)
[info]slimetrout wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 11:03 am (UTC)
errol888flynn...

You're a joke right?

Now tell me your theory about Masons. : )

Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-1)
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 11:18 am (UTC)
You are now suffering from cognitive dissonance. Look it up.
Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-2)
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 10:58 am (UTC)
{CONTINUED} ...

(2) ********************************

When questioned about his earlier role in the genocidal massacre by Israeli defense forces of thousands of unarmed Egyptian POWs during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin snapped, "I'm not going to discuss that. That's ancient history." An odd and telling comment, indeed, since the Jews insist there is no statute of limitations that prevents the capture, trial, and execution of Germans accused of war crimes that occurred in the 1930s and 1940s, over six decades ago.

(3) ********************************

[Excerpted from a LEHI (the terrorist Stern Gang) training pamphlet, circa 1946, written by Begin shortly before the organization began a series of murders of unarmed opponents of the establishment of the Jewish state of Israel.]

"Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet, and serve us as slaves. "

--Menachem Begin (Israeli PM, 1977-1983)

============================

Today, committed members of this particular ethnic grouping are working through scores of Zionist organizations already implanted into every Western 'democracy' are working feverously to place so-called 'anti-Hate' laws onto our statute books. They are trying to replicate Bernie Farber's success at turning Canada into a Politically Correct Police State. With amazing chutzpah, they are trying to turn people who have bothered to research the truth about them and their violent history, into criminals of the state in which they were born. I put it to you ... we are all being brought down by the machinations of an uncompromising criminal franchise, and not a religion! It is a mafia hiding behind a religion, and its bases are New York and Tel Aviv. Canada has already been subdued and 'captured.'

I don't suppose you know this, but you or your wife are probably paying a Kosher Tax to (Khazar/Ashkenazi) Rabbinical organizations when you purchase your weekly food. This type of behaviour relies on the stupidity and false trust of all non-Jews. You can buy coffee, biscuits, ground pepper, and a host of other processed food items, which have nothing to do with Kosher laws, and part of your food bill will go straight to the Rabbis in the USA. This scam is worth several $-billions each year.

Still think they are the world's most persecuted? Stop being taken for a fool!
Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-2)
[info]slimetrout wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 11:06 am (UTC)
Erroll888flynn,

I'll be back in a bit. I have to go and make matzohs with the blood of gentile children.

Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-2)
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 11:21 am (UTC)
You have been reduced to responding with childish comments and schoolyard slurs, probably because you have just been exposed as an ignoramus.
Re: Even monkeys paint (PART-2)
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC)
>>>slimetrout and errol888flynn

Desist or thou shalt be betrothed on the 'morrow


(it'll have to be a civil :-) ceremony (I guess) mi ducks)
Peter Sellers' Out Takes
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 03:23 pm (UTC)
Now for some light hearted entertainment! Some Peter Sellers classic bloopers you can wind down with:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0vW5O42cFA&feature=PlayList&p=FA1E7DA790288E2B&index=0

Duration 4:36.
To sb uk
[info]thickorwhat wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 03:33 pm (UTC)
What the hell are you on about?

Write in English.
Re: To sb uk
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC)
thickorwhat>>> '~words'

generally I need a little more
- however
(and just because it's you)

-------------------------------
OMG RU thickorwhat ?!??*?
-------------------------------

satisfied ??

ARE YOU SATISFIED?

finished?

quite finished?

well good then

... ... ... on your way son.

[info]sb_uk wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 05:35 am (UTC)
>>>from above "The traditional Roman centurion gladiator fights with his hands -
- and the *higher* Roman centurion warrior fights with her mind."

>>>slimetrout and errol888flynn 'cognitive dissonance'

:-)

exactly exactly exactly.

(Indy::thickorwhat will be paying for your honeymoon)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

'Dissonance normally occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency among his or her cognitions. This happens when one idea implies the opposite of another.'

'The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors.'

~*~

That is *exactly* it.

[info]ngfinad wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC)
She retired in 1977.
Well, several reports say that NGF i.e. neuronal growth factor, can prove harmful if exceeds a certain level. There are reports that NGF increases amyloid beta, a protein, thought to be responsible for Alzheimers' disease. Many other reports say that enhancing EGF or NGF stimulated pathways can result in various neuronal disorders.
Immortaility...
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)
"There are many ways to achieve immortality....I want to achieve immortality through NOT DYING!" - Woody Allen
Thankyou Rita for inspiring my research/Glial synthesis of NGF
[info]angelalongo1 wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 04:08 pm (UTC)
Also italian genetically, I was inspired by Rita 40 years ago to show that transformed glial cells synthesized NGF. Her clinical use may hint at a brain use. I would like to purchase some to try on my 86 year old mother who is not yet over the edge with dementia. Can anyone respond quickly to this request???
Re: Thankyou Rita for inspiring my research/Glial synthesis of NGF
[info]luchaz_9mon wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 03:20 am (UTC)
I too would like to find where I can purchase this NGF for a dear relative in her 87th year. I have other applications and could be up for research on it? I am very excited to read about this. Where can I get some of it please.... particularly the eyedrop form?
Re: Thankyou Rita for inspiring my research/Glial synthesis of NGF
[info]angelalongo1 wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
That reads well. Do you have Rita's email address? Will you forward it?
Dr Angela Longo
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 06:15 am (UTC)
'famulla>>> From Rome with Love?'

'angelalongo1>>> transformed glial cells synthesized NGF

'ngfinad>>> NGF in A.D.'

'wikipedia/NGF>>> 'love'

'wikipedia/love>>> 'multiple definitions'

NGF as a glial product which results in conformational change in neurones such that duality between partners (most often man and woman) may be achieved -
'the pair bond'

Of importance though
- the 'pair bond' precedes pair bond formation between 'pair bonds'

- glial NGF is (similarly) responsible for this subsequent transformation -

- a transformation which gives rise to the neural changes which permit us to fall in rapture within the love which Jesus describes.

So ...
... ... a real 'bond' which pairs pair-bonded couples and which crystallizes a structure in which we (human individuals) become 'one'.

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Alternate expressions of "becoming 'one'":
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-a- To love thy neighbour as thine own self
-b- To construct a 'Brotherhood of man
-c- To realise one~world (through eyes of mind)
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 07:09 am (UTC)
ooops!
Alzheimer's disease arises if the mind of the individual doesn't hook up into this structure ('brotherhood of man') or
'matrix'
- the 'magnetic' matrix provides a logic for a re-orientation in our nerve cells
- the logic for re-orientation comes from a need to alter our individual electromagnetic profiles to the EM profile of our external environmental context.
The need arises through the combination of development of our minds and structural conformational changes which come with partnership with another human being (duality) alongside
development of our 'shared' mind
(the duality of generally man and woman as one).
If we see the human being or human being's brain (mind) as a magnet which turns through 90 degress with duality with a partner and then which grows stronger with education
(building the mind) -
and then which re-orientates again -
into conformational array next to other pair-bonded couples
- in alignment with the Earth's EM field
'>>> If we see the human being as a ... ... ...'
- then we're there
:-)
The nerve (with its capacity to field an electrical current) -
has electromagnetic properties
- regular electromagnetic properties which are displayed by electroencephalogram.
We can imagine this basic idea as the failure
(the failure in
---for example--- Alzheimer's disease)
for the pattern which we associate with magnetizable iron filings [ http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-022Fall-2006/3AFF9822-3A25-48F5-9FCB-E26C95699C9F/0/chp_mag_dipole.jpg ]to form
(above a sheet of paper above a bar magnet).
The iron filings (~that is~ the magnet which is formed from people's brains (minds))
are being called to specific conformation above the magnet (~that is~ our planetary EM field) -
--- where ---
if individual brains (paired minds) cannot adopt the appropriate conformation -
--- then ---
glial and neuronal cells are not permitted to 'feel' the controlling effects of the external environment (planetary EM field) on their own 'beahviour'
(the controlling effects of the external environment -
- which are required to regulate internal (CNS) structure -
(migration patterns of individual cells within the brain)
- 'guiding principles' governing neural development (in adulthood) are not detectable to the cellular components of our centre.
The consequence is for the cells of the brain to turn rogue -
- much as we observe in cancer
- a certain amount of energy to expend -
though with no idea how to best exert themselves
- the glial and neural cells grasp around both blindfolded and in the dark
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'>>> The consequence is for the cells of the brain to turn rogue -
- much as we observe in cancer'
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- the nerve cell is much more slow growing than the cells of the immune system which (most often) give rise to cancer
- the failure in regulatory mechanisms for defining migration patterns within the brain
leads to Alzheimer's disease
---where---
- the individual cells in the brain attempting to remodel (though without 'guiding influence')
('guiding influence' - capacity to sense the external environment) -
... ... though without 'guiding influence'
haphazard remodelling resulting in A.D. (neurodegenrative conditions) arises

- non-specific destruction followed by loss of function within our very centre.
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
Just the basis to why animals pair-bond
and
form community.
~*~
Just the basis to why evolution is driving animals (absolutely including man)
-> to pair-bond and form community.
~*~
Greed, desire for promiscuous behaviour and selfish motivation are an evolutionary legacy
---which---
being human has been all about educating our minds away from.

Pair-bonding and functional community aren't meant to be (as they're currently taken)-
defining characteristics of authoritarian religious dictatorship rhetoric
Recommendations of 'stable pair bonding' and the 'benefits of functional community' weren't ever
(Qualification necessary - See point [7] below)
meant to be methods of exerting control over the individual by members of some religious Institution
---instead---
- were meant to be an expression of fundamentals in human behaviour
(conferred by evolutionary process (reality) and equally applicable within physics and chemistry (as in biology))
---instead---
- were meant to be an expression of fundamentals in human behaviour
which (sadly)
the church
(through becoming infected by the weakness in man (itself)
(Qualification necessary - See point [7] below)
|--- aside ---
'weakness in man' == {greed,desire}
leading to
'>>> The desire for promiscuity and selfish behaviour ...
--- aside ---|
instead -
- they're fundamentals which (sadly)
the church
(through becoming infected by the weakness in man)
greed, desire, desire for power
(Qualification necessary - See point [7] below)
inadvertently obscured
(Qualification necessary - See point [7] below)

- which the behaviour of the church lead to reactionary movement against
under protest to the *perceived* tyranny which religious Institutions wielded over man.
------------------
In summary I
------------------
[1]
A case of the church preaching the right message which
[2]
people chose to run counter to in protest to *perceived* tyranny,
[3]
which through running counter to (and behaving in a counter-productive manner (or so we were to discover))-
[4]
were we to discover that the message of the church) as actually correct -
[5]
- to discover why we're vindicated in believing (as it was intended)
(See point [7] below)
that the church was victimizing its believers
[6]
- to discover why we were wrong in our chosen mechanism for reaction
- a mechanism which opened the door to our evolutionary gremlins
- 'unconstrained greed' swept our collective landscape
(rampant global terrorism through capitalism (for instance))
- a state of 'Godlessness' pervaded
[7]
to realise that all of this was as it was meant to be
:-)
because the church (through understanding the weakness in man) -
knew that we needed to get 'all of this' out of our system
(shed our animal desires)
and that the church had purposefully adopted this approach -
- as the only proven approach to making humans better.
[8]
Man needs 'tyranny' to overcome -
without tyranny we lapse into apathy and don't improve.
[info]sb_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
------------------
In summary II
------------------

(because all of this is enough to give us a collective hernia)

[a]
Animals evolve into man.
[b]
The animal instinct (necessary for animal) was greed -
it served to optimise the animal's genome (its physical structure)
[c]
Man (with an ostensibly complete genome (physical structure)) was tasked with developing mind.
[d]
As the mind developed so did the animal instinct (greed) wane.

The final stage in the development of man is to complete mind -
completion of mind results in our capacity to extinguish the last vestiges of that animal instinct which characterized our previous incarnation (as animals).

However -
we needed a drive to reach this enlightened stage -
- the drive was to be seen to be oppression -

Oppression is an expression (amongst the repressors) of the animal instinct of {greed,desire for power} and the natural human reaction (amongst victims) is 'to overcome' through working out (gaining an understanding) why they're being victimized.

Of course the victimized (so history shows) were always seen to turn into victimizer -
though as time progressed
- we gained a deeper understanding of the progression which we were inadvertently falling victim to.

This repetitive pattern was accompanied with a general increase in our understanding of reality and of our place in time within
(of the 'meaning of life').

The need for progressively more intelligent repression lead to progressively more intelligent counter-reaction
- as a collective we gained greater understanding of our Universal context
(what we were put on Earth to do).

The need for progressively more intelligent repression lead to progressively more intelligent counter-reaction
--- that is ---
up until around about now-ish

ved anta - the end of knowledge
Tree of Knowledge (of good and evil) - scaled
(when we understand that 'good' and 'evil' are fabrications of mind)

The need for progressively more intelligent repression lead to progressively more intelligent counter-reaction
--- that is ---
up until around about now-ish
- about now-ish when we come together for a collective

Homer Simpson>>> 'doh!'

...3...2...1...

"D'OH!!!"

:-)

Greed extinguished,
time (at long last)
for us to move on.
NayaSharay
[info]nayasharay wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:31 pm (UTC)
What an inspiration to the human race!
what the hell is wrong with all of you people?
[info]aeonesoteric wrote:
Sunday, 14 June 2009 at 08:18 pm (UTC)
The discussion of this article should be centered around BDNF and related neurotrophin's. What a waste of cognitive space the lot of you are.

You waste your time on useless philosophies and petty arguments about race purity and politics while the sands of time slip swiftly through all fingers equally.

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