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Talks hopes dashed in refinery jobs dispute

By Alan Jones, Press Association

Hopes of a breakthrough in the bitter jobs dispute at an oil refinery collapsed today when expected talks failed to go ahead despite a series of wildcat strikes breaking out across the country.

Downing Street announced this morning that the conciliation services Acas had convened a meeting between management at the Lindsey oil refinery in North Lincolnshire and union leaders following the shock decision to sack almost 650 workers who have been taking unofficial industrial action for the past week.

Strikes spread to several power stations and other sites amid fears of a full blown industrial dispute, with some activists warning power workers could join in, threatening electricity supplies.

Union leaders and Acas officials waited for the talks to start, but it was revealed later that they never got under way.

Acas said in a statement: "We were invited by Total management for potential talks between the parties today.

"After discussions between Total management and their contractors, they decided not to go ahead with the talks. We remain in touch with the parties."

Union sources said their officials waited for four hours before being told Total "no longer felt the need" to have a meeting.

The sacked workers were told they have until Monday to reapply for their jobs.

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[info]bowesy wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC)
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Total Could Not Do This In France
[info]paulvw wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
Another example of a foreign company taking advantage of the total lack of workers rights in this country. Maybe the workers will now realise its time to dump Nul Labour and put their support, and money, behind a party that will support their rights and not the carpet baggers.
Re: Total Could Not Do This In France
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
And who is this wonderful party that everyone sould support? The xenophobic BNP?
Re: Total Could Not Do This In France
[info]paulvw wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:49 am (UTC)
Oh dear! this knee jerk reaction shows how good Herr Mandelson's propaganda machine is. I never mentioned the BNP try the greens, respect or one of the real socialist parties or if your desparate the liberals.
[info]pcsobilly wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
mmm, yes

The firing of the workers appears to breach English Law.

Todays government appears to be in dissaray and is based on previous performance more likely to support the business owners than demand the law be upheld or support its electorate.

What choice do working people have now but to band together and represent themselves through strike action ?

I trust that the people employed in these industries will stand tall, there has been a series of duplicitous action by the employer, all for the sake of a few pounds which appears to be taken directly from the pay packet of their staff on the ground.

The lights may well have to go out, painful as it will be.

As ever the darkest moment comes before dawn.



[info]uanime5 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)
The law states that illegal strikes are illegal, therefore the Government is upholding the law by condemning the illegal strike.

Also if these workers have been fired how can they go on strike? Clearly they must still have jobs or striking will be pointless.
[info]nightside242 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 03:30 pm (UTC)
While I don't agree with it, uanime5's point is correct. They've been fired for taking illegal strike action in January, and the current strikes are solidarity strikes with those who have been removed from their jobs.
Regime change
[info]earl_of_chatham wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 08:41 am (UTC)
That's what we need, the whole rotten politico-financial crew swept away - sooner the better
(no subject) - [info]thomas_66 - Friday, 19 June 2009 at 08:46 am (UTC) Expand
Words - Use them properly
[info]theelectrician wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
"Contractors at a BP refinery near Hull also joined the strike action.

The dispute flared when a contractor laid off 51 workers while another employer was hiring staff at Lindsey,"

I think the first use of 'contractor' means 'contract worker' and the second use means 'sub-contracted company'.
We have 'contractor', 'worker', 'employer', 'staff'; in other places in the article we have 'workforce'. 'employees', 'contract workers'.

Is it any wonder that the situation is difficult to explain and understand.
Re: Words - Use them properly
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 10:08 am (UTC)
I agree, the use of terms here is unclear and makes it difficult to assess what is truly going on here. I have interpreted the term 'contractor' here to mean 'employee of a subcontracted firm'. It is unclear whether the 900 people 'sacked' were employees of Total or not, and whether the situation is that their contracts will not be renewed or whether they have been sacked, however these 'employees' were taking part in sympathy action over what is described as:

The dispute flared when a contractor laid off 51 workers while another employer was hiring staff

Here I interpret this to mean 'one sub-contracted firm laid off 51 workers, another sub-contracted firm was hiring staff'. Again not clear what is happening but perhaps the first firm lost the contract to the second firm, these things do happen (it has happened to me in the past)? If so it is only Total's business in their decision to change subcontracting firms.
Re: Words - Use them properly
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:32 am (UTC)
Agreed, this article is so unclear it's hard to know what is really going on. If a subcontractor has refused to renew the contract of some employees working at Total then they have not been illegally fired (technically they haven't been fired), nor is this Total's fault.

Some contracts are specially designed so that they are renewed every day, thus an employer can decide one day not to renew the contract and the employee no longer has a job. However the employee has not been fired, as their contract has ended.
Contract Workers
[info]gordon123 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 10:05 am (UTC)
I was a Contract Worker in the oil industry for 30 years working for all the major oil companies, the only "Right" I had was a days pay for a days work, my contract could be terminated with the minimum of notice. This is the risk you accept when doing this type of work. In all of the time I worked this way I never once thought of going on strike, had I done so I would have been dismissed. I have no sympathy with the Lindsay workers. Some of the comments displayed here show a lamentable lack of understanding of the conditions people accept when contracting.
Re: Contract Workers
[info]ted1984 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC)
I wish I could be so positive about being treated with such respect and dignity as you were with your abysmal employment conditions gordon123.

Have you ever heard of the 'Blue Book' agreement? It guarantees certain terms and conditions for construction workers and has only been possible to implement following construction workers taking a stand in the past.

If they had taken your attitude there would be no Blue Book and no Health and Safety or any other rights to speak of. Take a look at the construction workers' lot in Saudi Arabia to get a flavour of what I'm talking about.

Is that the sort of society we want to live in?

Solidarity with the Lindsey strikers!
Contracting.
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
I worked in contracting for 30 years and we were
told that a contract is illiegal if it breaks ENGLISH LAW.

" Laid off " can mean different things. This story needs
expanding... alot.

We've had so much change over the last 30 years I wonder if
anyone knows their basic rights.
Re: Contracting.
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:35 am (UTC)
A contractor is not protected by the majority of English employment laws, that's why employers like them. Almost all employment laws only give right to employees, not contractors.
British Jobs for Foreign Workers! (globalism).
[info]colin_brown wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
Re: British Jobs for Foreign Workers! (globalism).
[info]almightymat wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 05:51 pm (UTC)

Tch, that's a real shame, but then ignorant people often have trouble getting ahead in life...
Re;Contracting
[info]gordon123 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:00 am (UTC)
Wherever I worked I always had a contract of employment enforceable under the law of either the country in which I worked, or the home country of the company I worked for. Without exception these contracts stated that as a Contract worker my contract would be terminated if I took any sort of industrial action. I accepted and signed the contract terms and conditions
REFINERY LOCKOUT
[info]royb55 wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
The story sounds familiar to the job actions here in the USA in the late 80's at the end of our contract with HESS oil the company said that we could reapply by phone for our jobs. Out of the 250 or so boatman that worked for HESS only about 4 or 5 "reapplied" I don't know if the damage the company did to the workers was worth the cost in human suffering with divources, kids dropping out of college, forclosures I know for me I never got over it. So the workers haver a choice. Get on their knees, wet their lips and kiss the Frenchman's ass or find another job. In any case, I wish you all the best.
thomas 66, i dont mind ......
[info]britfree wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 03:43 pm (UTC)
if the worst , loud mouthed nutter wants to come on and advance the wildest theories that lie to the left of left field .
after all, that is how they end up weeding out inconvenient opinions held by inconvenient posters , everyone that refuses their orthodoxy ,everyone who wants to practice plurality of thought to a degree not comfortable to the guardians of recieved wisdom . no media outlet that operates under licence of the british state , will suffer a dissident to live . (get rid of the gilf site though .)
700 Brits sacked by the Lindsey refinery last night
[info]colin_brown wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 03:50 pm (UTC)
Re: 700 Brits sacked by the Lindsey refinery last night
[info]almightymat wrote:
Friday, 19 June 2009 at 06:01 pm (UTC)

What a coincidence, 700 is also the number of POLISH WORKERS who walked out in strike in SOLIDARITY with their BRITISH CO-WORKERS in the original strikes last January...

...you know, the strikes where the BNP were kicked off the picket lines because they WEREN'T WANTED there?

You've been asked to leave once, don't try and sneak back in the back way!

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