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Forced marriage: 'I can't forgive or forget what they did to me'

Dr Humayra Abedin talks for the first time to Nina Lakhani about the international storm that began when she visited her parents in Bangladesh

Last December, Dr Abedin was dramatically freed after frantic efforts by lawyers in the UK and Dhaka

Last December, Dr Abedin was dramatically freed after frantic efforts by lawyers in the UK and Dhaka

An NHS doctor from east London who was held hostage and forced into marriage has spoken for the first time about her four-month ordeal, during which she feared for her life.

Dr Humayra Abedin, who was freed from her vows on the orders of a Bangladeshi court soon after The Independent on Sunday highlighted her plight, described the humiliation and pain she suffered at the hands of her parents, some members of her extended family and nurses and doctors in a private psychiatric hospital in Bangladesh last year.

In an exclusive interview with the IoS, Dr Abedin told of the moment she was abducted: "My face was covered with a piece of cloth by men who told me they were policemen, before they carried me out into an ambulance which was parked outside the house. They held my arms and legs, carried me like a prisoner, while my parents stood in the background."

She was driven, kicking and screaming, to a private hospital, on the request of her family. During the journey, she was held down and gagged by three people as they tried to stop her shouting.

"This was the first time I thought, 'this is it, I am dying'," said Dr Abedin. "I begged them to stop." And so began the nightmare.

For the next three months, every morning and every night, she was forced to swallow dangerously high doses of powerful tranquillisers used to treat people with psychoses. She was kept locked in the hospital, constantly told she was a disgrace by staff and relatives, and denied contact with the outside world. But she could make it stop, so her parents and psychiatrist told her, if she agreed to give up her life in England, marry the man her family had chosen for her and stay in Bangladesh. She refused.

Last December, Dr Abedin was dramatically freed after frantic efforts – highlighted by the IoS – by lawyers in the UK and Dhaka, together with Ask, a human rights NGO, led to her release. The majority of victims are not so lucky; hundreds of missing schoolchildren each year are feared to have been married off abroad by their families.

When you picture a victim of forced marriage, whom do you see? Probably an uneducated, young Asian girl, from a deeply traditional and authoritarian family. But research published last week suggests there could be 8,000 forced marriage cases in England each year, affecting African, European and Middle Eastern communities as well. Victims in 14 per cent of cases are male; 14 per cent are under 16. A worrying proportion involves people with learning disabilities who may not have the capacity to consent.

Sitting in her friend's house in suburban Essex, Dr Abedin looks a million dollars. Her physical appearance has been transformed over the past six months. Gone are the puffy, blotchy skin, brittle hair, stiff joints and tremor she developed as a result of the medication. She complains that she can't lose the last few pounds – anti-psychotics also cause an insatiable appetite – but the physical transformation is truly remarkable. As for her mental state, she denies nightmares or flashbacks, often experienced by victims of abuse and trauma; her anxiety symptoms have gone, but she does admit to dwelling on what happened in the hospital.

"It's my time at the clinic that I think about. These people are meant to be health professionals, but what they did to me was a complete abuse. This I will never forgive or forget," says Dr Abedin, and just for a second she doesn't seem as relaxed or confident as she claims to be.

Born and raised in the Bangladeshi capital, Dhaka, Humayra Abedin, 33, is not your typical victim. An only child from a well-off, middle-class Muslim family, she grew up happily surrounded by friends, cousins and extremely supportive parents who encouraged her to study medicine.

After she graduated, her mother, Sophia, 68, a housewife, and her father, Joynal, 77, a retired businessman who at that time owned a clothing factory and several shops, supported her move to England in 2002 to study for a master's degree in public health at Leeds University. She joined several of her Bangladeshi friends in London the following year and embarked on the exams that would enable her to work in the NHS.

"I was totally focused on my career and very happy. I was also learning how to do very ordinary things for the first time, like washing clothes and shopping, which gave me a great sense of satisfaction to be independent instead of having people helping me with everything like at home. I guess I was changing, just becoming more individual and independent."

She spoke to her parents often and there was occasional talk about marriage but she made it clear that studying was her priority.

"Actually, some of my aunties had wanted me to get married before I came to UK, so that I didn't come alone. This would have been quite normal; in fact, most of my friends who went abroad did so after they got married. But I didn't want that and my dad totally agreed every time it came up. I just used the same excuse and kept putting them off."

At the end of 2007, a cousin, also a doctor, came to visit and started commenting on this new-found independence. After his return to Bangladesh, the tension started to mount.

"The family pressure was building. There were more phone calls, more talk about guys they wanted me to meet, but I told them this wasn't what I wanted. It wasn't about religion; it was a cultural thing. In their eyes I was becoming too Westernised, too focused on my career and getting too old to be alone. It was about protecting me."

In July 2008, she flew home to visit her mother, who her dad claimed was suffering from heart problems. "Both my parents have chronic health problems so it was possible that she was sick. I did think they might want me to meet some guys but not in my wildest dreams could I have imagined what would happen next."

As soon as she arrived she was physically restrained, beaten and locked away. She was forced to take sleeping tablets and constantly bombarded with insults. Her parents never touched her; it was a trusted maid, who had worked for the family for 25 years, who took the lead in the abuse. But she still refused to consent to marriage; a week later, the ambulance arrived and took her away.

"After three months of medication, verbal abuse, emotional blackmail, my mind was weakened. I felt like a puppet. I had lost all hope and had no more energy to fight back," she says.

But before she was carted off to this so-called hospital, she had sent texts to friends in the UK. So unbeknown to her, efforts to secure her release were under way.

A female cousin co-operated with Ask and filed a petition to the court, which served her family with an order demanding she be brought in front of the court in Bangladesh, where forced marriage is illegal.

In order to avoid the authorities, her parents discharged her from the hospital and the next couple of weeks were spent in a medication-induced haze, travelling between towns, staying with family friends, until eventually she was forcibly married to a doctor her parents had deemed a suitable match. She won't talk about what happened with him, only that she's waiting for the marriage to be annulled.

Eventually, left with no option, her parents brought her to the court, convinced she would choose her family over her independence. Her father broke down in court after he was told she had chosen to come back to the UK. It was the last time she saw him.

She arrived back in London to face a media storm. "I felt joy, happiness, relief; you've no idea how thankful I was to the media, my lawyers, everyone who had been trying to get me out of that hospital."

There has been no contact with her parents since she was freed; she has moved and changed her phone numbers to avoid them. It is not something she will rule out for ever; she still loves them, but is nowhere near the point of being able to forgive them. She believes her aunts and uncles convinced her parents that she was out of control and needed protection. "I think my dad was made to feel guilty about encouraging me, his only child, to come to the UK, so he felt he had to sort things out. What they did was wrong, but I still think from their point of view they were trying to protect me. But that psychiatric hospital ... the staff told me they knew I was normal, so what they did to me was grossly unethically and criminal." Two other women in similar situations have since been rescued from the same clinic.

A strong, ambitious woman, she is determined not to let this horrific experience become a life-defining one. It is her friends, colleagues and employers she turns to for support; they have become her family and she cannot praise them enough. Work comes first, but she hasn't forgotten how to have fun: listening to Bollywood music while eating home-cooked food with friends is her ideal way to relax. She will finish her GP training with the London Deanery next year and still wants the happy-ever-after ending she always dreamed about.

"The whole incident has made me realise how precious and beautiful life is and it's made me stronger, so maybe it was my destiny. Right now my focus is my career. I love my job, and I also want to do what I can to raise awareness about forced marriage – the protection order was the turning point in my life. In the future, I definitely want to get married to the right person, have children, all those things that I always wanted."

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[info]inchman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:48 am (UTC)
Did Doctor Abedin's experience constitute kidnap? Has any kind of charge been laid?
[info]inchman wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:50 am (UTC)
Does ASK introduce information into girls' schools?
Forced marriage - terrible!
[info]globalnomad73 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:06 am (UTC)
The excuses & actions some people use to get their daughters (and sometimes sons!) to force them to marry to someone without the bride's/ groom's permission is appalling. Though it happens in several communities, none of the religions that they adhere to condone it... (note there IS a difference between forced & arranged; in the former, well, it's forced and illegal; in the latter the marriage partners give a trusted person their consent to find them someone suitable). I pray for peace and justice for all. In peace, globalnomad
These Dark Age tradition, including religion, has no place in Modernity!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
I'm so sick of ancient dark Age cultural tradition, that is racist, sexist or fascsist, being used to justify oppression and injustice, especially on women/girls and gays! And most disappointed when this happen in the mostly progressive West! I think one great solution is for universal human rights studies that include women and child's rights must be part of any school curriculum. Teachers must also be vigilant when girls went missing or becoming depressed. Thus is why faith schools can be so dangerous, especially Islamic ones, when such primitive tradition can easily be covered up!
I mean to say Primitive religion, not progressive and modern ones like reformed Christianity!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
In case the Islamists manipulate my argument; as usual!
inchman
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:05 am (UTC)
being taken away druged and held in captivity against ones will is kidnap, I can't believe you are seemingly making excuses for these people. Charges could only be laid in Bangladesh so the question is irrelevant. In the event of a trial she would have to return which she is highly unlikely to do.
If this is how Muslims treat their children (and there are many such cases of abuse) you can use your imagination as to what they think about us
Forced Marriage and Islam
[info]ron753 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:33 am (UTC)
If we do not stand up to Islam and the culture that comes with it, these practices will continue in UK, while, in the name of multiculturalism, the authorities turn a blind eye. Wake up England, before it is too late!
Re: Forced Marriage and Islam
[info]semir_nour wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:09 pm (UTC)
You seem to be totally oblivous, either purposely or ignorantly, to what the girl herslf said in the report; she said:

"The family pressure was building. There were more phone calls, more talk about guys they wanted me to meet, but I told them this wasn't what I wanted. It wasn't about religion; it was a cultural thing. In their eyes I was becoming too Westernised, too focused on my career and getting too old to be alone. It was about protecting me."

Its got nothing to do with the Islam!! Islam strongly condemns every sort of opression. However, it seems to me, and to any objective observer, that some individuals and indeed organisation in the West, being brain-washed by the media, are trying to pick on anything that Muslims do and haste in holding ISLAM responsible for it. I wonder if it would be acceptable to you if the practice of child molestation is attributed to Christianity merely because some individuals in the UK practice this evil doing!? Will that be the right thing to do?!

Just ponder over this and stop being subserviant to the Media. Think!


Re: Forced Marriage and Islam - [info]rexxxxxxxx - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:08 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Forced Marriage and Islam - [info]jayoosi - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Forced Marriage and Islam - [info]berwick53 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Forced Marriage and Islam - [info]mike_spain - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:08 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Forced Marriage and Islam - [info]corporeal4now - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 04:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Pass The Sick Bag
[info]door_stop wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
Horrible. Who is this Nina Lakani? A writer of soap operas I'd imagine. "Dr Abedin looks a million dollars..." Jeeze! and in the Indy too. Best of luck. Richard Desmond is just going to love his new titles, where a lot of the necessary spade work is well under way.

[info]berwick53 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:47 am (UTC)
This is just one example of the primitive mentality that the West has to deal with. Regard for human life, family and truth are completely different concepts in some of these "cultures".
[info]rexxxxxxxx wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC)
Mainly Islamic ?
the pope has admitted that ROC protected paedophile priests from prosecution for raping small boys.

And if this were reported in the same way by the press that they report on minority infringements of Islam all us Christians would burn our churches to the ground
parents are responsible for forced marriage.
[info]mind_ful wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC)
Although this lady is blaming the medical staff, it is her parents and the parents of all the children forced into marriage, who are responsible. What concerned this family was the independence this woman had, it seemed almost frightening to certain members that 'one is getting away' from their control. I hope this lady will now put her mind to helping others caught in this sort of cultural control-web, to understand that independence in ones children and future generations is inevitable, and people have to live their own lives, not have them dictated by a tribal elder somewhere in the background, or a male member feeling threatened. The real test of the value of any religion or upringing generally is when you let your children live their own lives, not yours.
Carry on fighting
[info]sharifl wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
"The whole incident has made me realise how precious and beautiful life is and it's made me stronger, so maybe it was my destiny. Very well said. I hope others do not have to suffer like her. Brave woan.
(no subject) - [info]mike_spain - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Where is Harman hiding from female persecution ?
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
Praticing expediency and opportunism - she is also aware that a significant number of cronies depend on the organised block votes of contrived and protected ghettos to stay in work (Dobson is a nice example of those whose place at the trough is ensured at the expense of developmentally mutilated female children)
Re: Where is Harman hiding from female persecution ? - [info]robred - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:03 pm (UTC) Expand
the misuse of power is BAD
[info]zeugma65 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
"...she was forced to take sleeping tablets and was constantly bombarded with insults..." & "...puffy, blotchy skin,...tremor developed as a result of the medication..."
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I remember the initial article about Dr. Abedin's kidnapping into a forced marriage. I felt sorry for her at that time, and I am glad she managed to break free. I hope she will recover fully from this nasty experience.
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I hope more people will realize that the "humiliation" and "forced medication" is experienced by many mentally ill patients who when constantly "drugged" and humiliated have even less possibilites to fight back than Dr. Abedin. The side-effects of medication, bad treatment, and inhuman treatment can damage them for life. Eight years ago I had inflamation of my kidneys, I was prescribed a common anti-inflamation medicine "ofloxacin", unfortunately this medicine may also cause psychosis: www.fqresearch.org/ofloxacin.htm
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None of the doctors I asked about this was willing to speak about the side-effects. The pharmaceutical companies have dangerous power.
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What I want to say is this: Dr. Abedin was not mentally ill. She experienced very bad "treatment". But even mentally-ill people shoud not be treated this way. Such "treatment" not only damages individual lives, SUCH TREATMENT IS CONTERPRODUCTIVE FOR THE SOCIETY.
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Islam is ok. THE MISUSE OF POWER IS NOT OK !!! and it happens everywhere, no matter in what country you live in, no matter in what sort of "unjust situation" you happen to face. Ignorance/misuse of power/stupidity... are very difficult to fight against. If combined they are even more dangerous.
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That is why I have the highest respect for Dr. Abedin, because in this case she has managed to fight for her personal freedom under very unfavourable circumstances.
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Because the attitude: "if-you-don't-think-mainstreem-then-you-must-be-mad attitude" is very common. Unfortunately.
(no subject) - [info]cronyblatcher - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: the misuse of power is BAD - [info]zeugma65 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:51 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: the misuse of power is BAD - [info]jonsummys - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:34 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: the misuse of power is BAD - [info]zeugma65 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:52 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]richardm30 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC)
Re: Stone age religious practices are mainly Islamic
[info]rexxxxxxxx wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC)
mainly islamic ?
the pope has admitted that ROC protected paedophile priests from prosecution for raping small boys.

and if this were reported in the same way by the press that they report on minority infringements of islam all us christians would burn our churches to the ground

don't let the press take away your perspective
Re: Stone age religious practices are mainly Islamic - [info]sheikwaba - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC) Expand
there are nutters on both sides of the coin - [info]zeugma65 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:37 pm (UTC) Expand
Consent, not coercion is the basis of morality.
[info]superkeith wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 12:24 pm (UTC)
This is chilling, if the evidence were not so strong it would be unbelievable and yet we know this has happened hundreds of times and will happen again this summer to many girls in the Midlands and it does look as if a callous and cruel lack of cooperation by many schools is responsible for what is in many cases becomes a life of hell.
It is difficult to understand why the parents of such children are so lacking in honour and integrity that they would so deeply shame themselves and their families by allowing such coercion.
nothing to do with Islam
[info]blueskyballoon wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:17 pm (UTC)
People are confusing religion with culture. My father is Pakistani but comes from a Christian family. He has done things like sent me abroad as a teenager, then told me not to come home as my uncle would be adopting me (because he thought I was too independent!). He has also offered to pay for trips to family wedding which always turned out to be fabrications to get me to meet prospective husbands. For him, this is perfectly acceptable behaviour as that was the kind of culture he grew up in. It has nothing to do with Islamic religion.
not really so other worldly
[info]joshstyx wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:26 pm (UTC)
One of the first things I thought on reading of Dr Humayra Abedin s terrible ordeal is that this obscene treatment, albeit for slightly differing motivations, was far too prevalent in the UK too, not so long ago.

Our own society has not long moved on from treating women equally inhumanely. Women were regularly shipped off to mental institutions when they were not deemed compliant enough

I think it is interesting & useful to remember our own, continuing, struggle against the oppression of women when we consider similar examples in other cultures.

Yet another example of the brutality and cruelty of Islam
[info]mstamper wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:52 pm (UTC)
When the Danish cartoonists published their cartoon images of Muhammad, Muslim women (dressed head to toe in Burqas) demonstrated with signs that read "Butcher the cartoonists". I remember seeing that picture. Where are the Muslim women (or men?) demonstrating against forced marriage, kidnapping, and slavery? The answer of course is that there aren't any. Perhaps fear (of fellow Muslims) keeps some from speaking out. My guess is that most Muslims would side with Dr. Abedin's parents and her kidnappers. The ideology of Islam is incompatible with any concept of freedom or human rights - especially for women. How can there be any doubt that life as we have known it in the West is completely incompatible with life under Islam? I'm not recommending any violent clash of civilizations. However, I do believe that Islam must be subordinated to secular law and civil government. The alternative is theocracy. We can start by abolishing faith-based schools. If parents want their children indoctrinated in Muslim ideology, they should do it on their own time. If that's not good enough, then I would suggest emigration to Saudi Arabia or Iran. Those who believe in freedom and liberal democracy must stand up and say so before free speech is silenced.
Re: Yet another example of the brutality and cruelty of Islam
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 01:58 pm (UTC)
No reasonable person could possibly disagree with what you have said. It is about time more people started to raise their concerns about this pernicious, wicked philosophy.
PLEASE SIGN UP TO THE SHARIA PETITION
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 02:03 pm (UTC)
If you think that Sharia Law has no place in a modern democratic society please sign the following petition.

http://www.shariapetition.com/
HA! THIS IS NOTHING !!!!
[info]avraamjack wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:25 pm (UTC)
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In the USA, "Parents" takes bribes from fascist stalker gangs to help with the mult-year ( sometimes over a decade ) stalking, harassing, irradiating and poisoning of those unfortunate enough to be their offspring.

The American "Government" and "Police" pretend not to notice and refuse to take a complaint.

Nobody is ever arrested.

This is the country that wants you to follow their example in everything.

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Re: HA! THIS IS NOTHING !!!!
[info]avraamjack wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
This woman is a disgrace to common humanity.
[info]proximaking wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 03:25 pm (UTC)
Isn't this the woman who refused to charge her parents? How is that going to help other people avoid the same fate? She is a disgrace to humanity until she has her parents and everyone else involved in this charged. Is it any wonder Bangladesh is a cesspit when people such as this doctor clearly have so little regard for anyone but themselves?
Re: This woman is a disgrace to common humanity.
[info]zeugma65 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:13 pm (UTC)
You are a disgrace to literacy. You can't read. Her parents cannot inflict much more damage to anyone. They have just one daughter. The doctors in the psychiatric hospital are much worse. They are supposed to help people. Psychiatric hospitals are the same everywhere. No one wants to hear that. The most oppressed people, those who have been misused many times are there without any help. Dr Abedin is a healthy woman, she managed to escape the ignorance, stupidity of that place.
Re: This woman is a disgrace to common humanity. - [info]zeugma65 - Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:28 pm (UTC) Expand
Forced marriage and Islam
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:06 pm (UTC)
Interesting you quote Ms Abedin as saying ' it was about protecting me' we all want to protect our daughters but it is a strange sort of protection to drug your daughter, forcibly commit her to a mental home and keeping her drugged, force her to marry someone she has no interest in. It sounds more like getting what they want than about what is good for her. One father murdered his daughters boyfriend he did not approve of. Also so called honour killings are common. It reminds me of the Inquisition killing people to save them from the devil or in more recent times the US in Vietnam destroying a village in order to save it (from the Vietcong)
One would have thought a woman tough and intelligent enough to get through medical school could take care of herself quite well, but no, an unmarried woman is an abomination in their eyes.

'Islam forbids this practice' so lets look at that. Islam forbids a lot of things including killing innocents and female circumcision but individual Mullahs seem to be able to pick and choose which bits to favour according to their own agenda (just as Christians do with the Bible, though in modern times the results are not usually so life threatening) I believe the Quran teaches obedience to parents is the same as obedience to god. Why is it that cultures as far apart as N Africa and Bangladesh have Eg.female circumcision and forced marriage if it was not taken there by Islam, the common denominator? It always seems to me that Islam has very powerful control over its adherents (bear in mind it is a religion that once born into you a cannot leave except with serious consequences, so you have no choice in your faith at any point: though the Quran says 'there is no compulsion in religion) so if Islam has not succeeded in stopping these and other practices, its condemnation of them is somewhat weak and ineffective. One might suspect tacit approval Is it not also a fact that although the Quran asserts the rights of women, they are nearly everywhere in the Muslim world struggling to get their rights against a system entirely dominated by and run for men's interests. Take the treatment of rape victims as another example. Is it not a fact that fathers kill wives, sisters and daughters and sometimes sons; brothers kill sisters and cousins, over perceived insults to male honour, sometimes as slight as refusing an offer of marriage.
Do not blame the Western media for this, as the Iranian regime is similarly trying to blame it for their internal troubles. The western media is an easier target than setting your own house to rights of course.
This really has nothing to do with Islam
[info]zeugma65 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:24 pm (UTC)
...it's about people like YOU who don't see where the problem is.
Anyone who sends a person to a mental institution and doesn't care if it helps them is to be blamed... and the doctors who say that mental illness is incurable are just parasites... how many patients with schizophrenia/psychosis have you seen "cured" by anti-psychotics?
Two wrongs make it all right argument
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 05:48 pm (UTC)
I can not see the point of dragging in stalking in USA and paedos among the RC priesthood as comment here. These are not cuturally institutionalised or traditional practices or related to a the religion in question except as it relates to the celibacy issue.
Thousands of RC's were revolted by the priests' abuses and said so, It did more damage to the Church than anything else. However I don't see thousands of Muslims protesting in cases like this and the many other offences against Muslim women, as someone else has said
It is like saying don't protest about anything because there is also something bad we have done.
Like saying don't protest the massacres in Ruanda and Bosnia because the USA tried to exterminate the native Americans, or don't complain about modern slavery because of the Slave Trade in the 17th - 19th century
Keep to the point!
Two wrongs make it all right argument
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:00 pm (UTC)
I can not see the point of dragging in stalking in USA and paedos among the RC priesthood as comment here. These are not cuturally institutionalised or traditional practices or related to a the religion in question except as it relates to the celibacy issue.
Thousands of RC's were revolted by the priests' abuses and said so, It did more damage to the Church than anything else. However I don't see thousands of Muslims protesting in cases like this and the many other offences against Muslim women, as someone else has said
It is like saying don't protest about anything because there is also something bad we have done.
Like saying don't protest the massacres in Ruanda and Bosnia because the USA tried to exterminate the native Americans, or don't complain about modern slavery because of the Slave Trade in the 17th - 19th century
Keep to the point!
KEEP IT TO THE POINT
[info]zeugma65 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC)
this is about oppression and misuse of any powerless person,
it doesn't matter how many institutions or cultures you use if you want to oppress/misuse another human being,
it is about misusing BIG WORDS as well,
the Islam has nothing to do with this,
it's about us - people - we have to learn that using any force can only lead to oppression,
it is impossible to fight with "Islam" or any other religion,
it is about LIVE and LET LIVE, and help those who other people oppress,
it's about individual help/one individual helps another individual,
a single human being helps another single human being,
no matter what the religion of those beings are, the religions can be different, and the prople still can help each other
Forced Marriage
[info]provokateur9 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:44 pm (UTC)
Some Muslims may suggest that Islam strongly condemns every sort of oppression. If however, oppression is practiced in the name of Islam don?t you think that this should be addressed by their religious leaders/Mullahs ? right? If the spiritual leaders of Islam fail purposely to address this issue then they are guilty in the name of god and have blood on their hands! We know from reliable sources that many Muslim preachers in Europe and/or other countries prefer instead spreading hatred towards Western cultures and their religion. So is it any wonder that these atrocities are commonly accepted in the Muslim world ?
what a asylum Game.......pls investigate..........
[info]russelllondon wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 11:24 pm (UTC)
Thanks abedin for this Game! You already confirmed your permanant residency in the UK though you are a general student like me. I do not know why british Government and media are playing with non british people with their other cultures and religion issues. Think your problem first, there are lots of problem in UK, Think about it please.
Re: what a asylum Game.......pls investigate..........
[info]remember1976 wrote:
Monday, 6 July 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
pls get ur facts right before being judgemental to someone ignite an arguement.Dr Abedin as the name suggests is a doctor and working in the NHS as a doctor - not ageneral student like you. She is on her way to become a GP - I hope you have working knowledge of what a GP means if you are round in the UK - if not, ask round.
It is not a religious or cultural issues it is a humanatarian issue - it is universal. If there are lots of problems in UK, Forced marriage is one of the vital issues.
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