Hitler's bad habits revealed in documents
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Adolf Hitler's "uncouth" personal conduct, including biting his nails during meals, have been exposed in secret intelligence papers discovered in an unknown house in the South West.
The documents paint a picture of Hitler based on information from one of his wartime aides, who describes the Nazi leader as a solitary man "of extremely few but intense emotions" and "shocking" table manners.
The account by the unknown German officer, who kept the war diary at the Wolf's Lair military headquarters and dined with Hitler at least 30 times, form part of an end-of-war intelligence report, which is to be sold at auction at Ludlow Racecourse in Shropshire next month.
According to the informant, simply referred to as Lieutenant Colonel PW, Hitler "ate prodigious amounts of cake", which contributed to a "digestive disorder", and lost himself in thought during meals.
"Hitler eats rapidly, mechanically - for him food is merely an indispensable means of subsistence" he wrote.
"Quite often Hitler will sit there throughout the entire meal, turned to his own thoughts, seemingly without listening to the talk going on around him.
"However, he does follow the drift of the conversation vaguely, to him the conversation seems to have the effect that music has on others; it stimulates his thoughts and relaxes him."
Dated May 1945 - the year Hitler died - and marked "must be destroyed within 48 hours of reading", the report said the Fuhrer spoke "in a mellow baritone, without that raucous, unpleasant stridency of his public speeches".
But it added: "At the table and in his speech he shows many facets of his rather uncouth behaviour. He abstractedly bites his fingernails, he runs his index finger back and forth under his nose, and his table manners are little short of shocking."
Hitler also preferred stewed vegetables and fruit to meat, herbal tea to coffee and banned smoking in his presence, according to the informant.
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IF ONLY GOD HAD GIVEN HIM WISDOM FOR A HUMANE WORLD/EUROPE ?
18.02.09, 12:09pm
ENGLISH SAYING: MANNERS MAKETH A MAN.
BUT ALAS MANY WOULD LAMENT THAT HITLER,A LAPSED CATHOLIC DID NOT FOLLOW ST.FRANCIS OF ASSISSIS EXAMPLE AND WITH HIS POWER AND MIGHT OF HIS STORM TROOPERS,INSTEAD OF SLAUGHTERING JEWS,GYPSIES,GAYS DID NOT CLOSE DOWN "KUTTLE KAHANAS" I.E SLAUGHTER HOUSES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE FOR ONES CHILDREN CHILDREN AND INSTEAD OF KILLING WHY DIDNT HE COME UP WITH A POLCIY AND A PLAN THAT YOU DONT ELIMINATE MEN WITH MEGA BUCKS AND CONTROL FREAKS AND CABALS BUT YOU TAX THEM AND RE DISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH SO THAT THERE IS NOT SUCH A BIG DISPARITY BETWEEN HAVES AND HAVE NOTS AND ENVY AND JEALOUSY SO THAT EVERY ONE GETS A BREAK TO DO WELL AND FEED AND LOOK AFTER THIER FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES.
INDEED,ENGLAND IS RAPIDLY BECOMING A HALAL AND KOSHER ABODE OF RITUAL SLAUGHTERORS AND DEAD FLESH EATERS AS THE LEGACY OF LORD DOWDING ,THE AIR COMMODORE WHO SAVED ENGLAND IN THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN DISAPPEARS ,AND ENGLAND ,ONCE A NATION OF ANIMAS LOVERS BECOMES A TROUBLED,DECADENT AND CALLOUS COUNTRY AND GOES DOWN THE LEAGUE OF HUMANE AND CARING NATION .JOBS CREATED ARE ON THE BACK OF ANIMAL CRUELTY AND SUFFERING.EG NINE THOUSAND JOBS BY A CHICKEN BURGHER,DEAD FLESH OF BLESSED HEN STUCK IN TWO SLICES OR OVAL PIECES OF BREAD,ANIMAL EXPERIMENTAL LABORATORIES ETC WHICH ONLY WILL LEAD TO A CRUEL FACIST ,REACTIONARY STATE IN YEARS TO COME,IF NOT ALREADY ONE, AS WHAT YOU SAW IS WHAT YOU REAP.
SO REGARDLESS OF HITLERS BAD HABBITS,HE MISSED OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEANSE THE WORLD OF DODGY BANKERS,COSA NOSTRA INSTED OF A CIVILSED VEGAN/VEGETARIAN PHILOSOPHICAL WORLD BUT INSTEAD LEFT A MORE BRUTAL WORLD AS YOU DONT KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE WHICH LAYS GOLDEN EGGS BUT YOU NURTURE AND NOURISH THE GOLDEN GOOSE ,IN HUMAN FORM,CIRCUMCISED OR NONE AND KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON IT LEST COSA NOSTRA OR GREEDY BANKERS SLUGHTERS IT OR HIJACKS IT FOR ITS OWN GREED AND CORRUPTION AS HAS HAPPENED IN THE TODAYS WORLD.
MANY HINDUS,GURKHAS,RAJPUTS,SIKHS,WEST AFRICAN.EAST AFRICANS ,TOMMIES,YANKS,ANZACS ETC WOULD EVEN FEEL AND THINK THAT IT IS A CRYING SHAME THAT HITLER AND THEY DID NOT FORM A CLOSE MILITARY ALLIANCE ON ARYAN HUMANE PHILOSOPHY PRINCIPLES OF RESPECT OF MOTHER COW,ONES OWN MOTHER AND MOTHER EARTH FOR A BETTER CIVILSED WORLD AS BRETHERNS AND SISTERS.ATLEAST THE COMMON SOLDIERS WOULD EACH HAVE RECIEVED RESPECT,GOOD PENSIONS AND ALL AS GERMANS DO EVEN TODAY HAVE PENSIONS WHICH ARE THE ENVY OF THE WORLD EVEN THOUGH THEY LOST THE WAR. INSTEAD OF GURKHAS BEING DENIED THIER RIGHTS IN UK AND TOMMIES BEING USED AS CANON FODDER AND BLIGHTERS AND PERISHERS WITH POOR EQUIPMENT,PENSIONS ETC.FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
Anyway, back on topic, you put a lot of "ifs" about Hitler. Fact is, if he had behaved in any way close to those "ifs", he wouldn't have been Hitler. I can care less about his table manners or his feeding habits. And I can care less about what he could have done to better human kind. I do care about what he did, this despicable example of humanity. All that matters is his legacy of death and madness, for killing fellow humans for race, disabilities, etc, is downright insane. He could have been as uncouth as Homer Simpson for all I care. How is this important? Why should I care? There are far more interesting points in his life or in the development of early Nazism, like the ties the Bush family had with the Nazis, and how they funded the Nazis, or the early links of the Zionist leaders (Herzl most notoriously) with the Nazi party, which is according to Haa'retz, still a taboo theme in Israel society. THAT one topic, I'd like to be investigated and unveiled to the public.
He was not an Air Commodore, he was Air Chief Marshal (with one L) The Lord Dowding of Bentley Priory, the first AOC-in-C RAF Fighter Command.
In retirement, his maiden speech in the House of Lords in March 1948 was to bring into English law better protection for farm animals going to slaughter. Amongst the reforms he proposed, which were initially supported by the Conservative government of the day, was to insist that every animal be stunned before the neck arteries were cut for bleeding. However, at the last minute, the government withdrew its support for his Private Members? Bill due to pressure from the Jewish community who wished to continue their slaughter ritual without pre-slaughter stunning. Lord Dowding was so appalled by the abuse and cruelty he witnessed during his investigations that he became a vegetarian, a tradition in his wife?s family. His wife, Lady Muriel had campaigned for reforms to better protect animals and founded the charity Beauty without Cruelty against the abuse of animals for furs and cosmetics. Lord Dowding went on to make over 30 speeches in the Upper House, mostly concerned with aspects of animal protection. Lord Dowding died in 1970; he and his wife are buried in the Battle of Britain Memorial Chapel, Westminster Abbey, London. A new biography has recently been published: DOWDING of Fighter Command.
As they say, there is a thin line between genius and madness. And when you consider the sheer brilliancy (and horror) of his war and political strategies, it's clear to see where success and then failure came so quickly.
It seems that when there was a war on all fronts, even Hitler's warped vision couldn't see him to victory against impossible odds.
Then some nut case with a stuck CAPS LOCK gets on line and babbles incoherently about Vegan Ideals.
Sigh.
I would bet my life this so called doccument is about as authentic as a 3 pound note.
Oh yeah? I beg to differ, I always suspect it is written by the blue meanies.
It's a more reasonable conclusion to draw from one's own ignorance than yours as it acknowledges the ignorance that spawned it.
"The account by the unknown German officer, who kept the war diary at the Wolf's Lair military headquarters and dined with Hitler at least 30 times, form part of an end-of-war intelligence report,"
Note to the editors: verbs agree with the subject, not with the nearest noun in their vicinity. Your grammar is worse than Hitler's table manners.
Most of this isn't news to me. I've studied the history of the second World War but don't consider myself a Hitler expert; the fact that he was vegetarian later in life and didn't tolerate smoking is common knowledge, as far as I'm aware (it's in the film Der Untergang). The "digestive disorder" was chronic indigestion and flatulence, something which was commented on by various intimates of Hitler (Albert Speer, for example). Accounts of the treatment provided by Theo Morrell, Hitler's physician in later life, suggest a truly bizarre programme of diet and medication, including daily doses of amphetamines and opiates - relatively tame compared to some of the stuff he was supposedly administered. There's actually a free download copy of David Irving's book on Morrell's diaries available at fpp dot co dot uk, but I'm not going to recommend it since Irving's been banged up for Holocaust denial and is therefore suspect as a historian. I'd recommend Michael Burleigh's "The Third Reich", it's a good read about wartime Germany and gives an insight into Hitler's instability. Burleigh mentions that Hitler apparently delighted in tormenting meat-eaters with detailed descriptions of abbatoirs at the dinner table, though he doesn't mention nail-biting.
In his diary, Josef Goebbels talks a lot about dining with Hitler (lots of refs in "Evil Genius" by Ebermayer and Meissner), and portrays him as an interested and active dinner guest. Maybe this Lt Col PW found Hitler uncommunicative because Hitler found him too dull to talk to.
I agree with most of what jonny_socialist has said here, I don't see Hitler as either insane or a genius. I do think he was an unusually potent leader, though; problem is, he wanted to lead Germany into a huge war rather than to greatness as a nation. His vision was more at fault than his abilities. His insistence on rapid attacks in the early stages of the war was very successful and entirely counter to the strategic disposition and advice of the German general staff. That fact made him arrogant and dismissive towards them, which contributed heavily towards later German defeats, particularly on the eastern front.
Interesting to compare Hitler's habits to Stalin's (see works on Stalin by Bob Service and Dmitri Volkogonov). Stalin was a heavy drinker for most of his adult life and his clothing, living quarters and diet seem to have been fairly basic. He comes across as more robust, less nervous and far more paranoid than his German opposite number, and of course lasted longer at the top. More's the pity.
The real question here is how does ravij get so much rubbish into a post - and 9 out of 10 o my posts don't get accep[ted because of some rubbsih "error in the code "
thin line between genius and madness - stop living your life from slogans
Hitler was not a genius - the fact he 2won" so many battles - at the beginning - is becase so many people in the ruling elites - in England, Ffrance, Spain, Italy - supported this insanity !
England was virtually pushed intot the war
An interesting read, however. (Rather entertaining. Although I knew it anyways. :p)