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Internet privacy: Britain in the dock

'Big Brother' state comes under fire as European Commission launches inquiry into secret surveillance of web users

By Nick Clark and Robert Verkaik


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Britain's failure to protect its citizens from secret surveillance on the internet is to be investigated by the European Commission.

The move will fuel claims that Britain is sliding towards a Big Brother state and could end with the Government being forced to defend its policy on internet privacy in front of judges in Europe.

The legal action is being brought over the use of controversial behavioural advertising services which were tested on BT's internet customers without their consent.

Yesterday, the EU said it wanted "clear consent" from internet users that their private data was being used to gather commercial information about their web shopping habits.

Under the programme, the UK-listed company Phorm has developed technology that allows internet service providers (ISPs) to track what their users are doing online. ISPs can then sell that information to media companies and advertisers, who can use it to place more relevant advertisements on websites the user subsequently visits. The EU has accused Britain of turning a blind eye to the growth in this kind of internet marketing.

Yesterday, the EU telecoms commissioner, Viviane Reding, said: "I call on the UK authorities to change their national laws and ensure that national authorities are duly empowered and have proper sanctions at their disposal to enforce EU legislation."

Last year, BT tested the Phorm technology to track its customer's internet searches without their knowledge, provoking complaints from users and from UK members of the European Parliament.

Because it is considered lawful to intercept data when there is "reasonable grounds for believing" there is consent, the issue falls outside the UK's wiretapping laws. Linda Weatherhead of Consumer Focus said: "While phone tapping is clearly illegal and unacceptable, it seems that spying on the digital communications and activity is not." Richard Clayton, treasurer of the Foundation for Information Policy Research (FIPR) – which described Phorm as "illegal" last year – said: "The laws are fit for purpose, but it seems that Whitehall have misunderstood their own laws." He said that users at both ends need to have consented to the system, which is not the case here and so contravenes the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act from 2000.

The Commission is also critical of the Government's implementation of the European electronic privacy and personal data protection rules. They state that EU countries must ensure the confidentiality of communications by banning the interception and surveillance of internet users without their consent.

Ms Reding said: "We have been following the Phorm case for some time and have concluded that there are problems in the way the UK has implemented parts of EU rules on the confidentially of communications."

She added that the enforcement of the laws "should allow the UK to respond more vigorously to new challenges of e-privacy and personal data protection such as those that have arisen in the Phorm case. It should also help reassure UK consumers about their privacy and data protection while surfing the internet."

The EU's intervention was welcomed by privacy campaigners. The Open Rights Group recently wrote to some of the world's biggest websites including Google, Yahoo and Facebook, asking them to block Phorm. Its executive director, Jim Killock, said yesterday: "There are big legal questions surrounding BT's use of Phorm, so we welcome the EU taking the Government to task. It's a pity our own Government haven't had more backbone and stood up for their voters' rights."

The UK has two months to reply to the EC's formal notification. Should no satisfactory response be made, the Commission could issue a reasoned opinion, before the case moves to the European Court of Justice.

Last year the Information Commissioner's Office passed the Phorm technology as legal.

Advertisers are particularly keen on this form of marketing as the more targeted it becomes, the more value for money they feel the advert offers. One consultant said: "It is basically a very fine line between advertising that helps people and those that intrude."

Phorm boss Kent Ertugrul has been increasingly forced on to the back foot over the issue of privacy, fending off a series of questions over the issue last week at a "town hall" meeting. He said that the technology does not store information to identify a user; that all participants can opt out of it; and that it complies with data protection and privacy laws. The group added yesterday that the Commission's statement did not contradict that its technology was fully compliant with UK legislation and EU directives.

It is illegal in the UK to unlawfully intercept communications, but this is limited to "intentional" interception, the EC said yesterday. This is also considered lawful when those intercepting have "reasonable grounds for believing" consent has been given. There is no independent national supervisory authority dealing with such cases.

Several bodies including FIPR have blamed the Government and the UK regulators for playing "pass the parcel" with the issue, which has left it hanging with no one wanting to enforce it.

The Commission received its first complaints over the issue in April last year following BT's trial. Other providers including Virgin and Carphone Warehouse's TalkTalk are also interested.

Users complained to the UK data protection authority and the police. The Commission wrote to the UK authorities in July and upon receiving the answers "has concerns that there are structural problems in the way the UK has implemented EU rules".

Simon Davis, director of Privacy International, believes the row has erupted more over "sovereignty than substance. It is almost entirely political".

'Big Brother' Britain: Private data under threat

* The mobile calls, emails and website visits of every person in Britain will be stored for a year under sweeping new powers which came into force this month. The new powers will for the first time place a legal duty on internet providers to store private data.

* Privacy campaigners warn that all this information could be used by the Government to create a giant "Big Brother" super-database containing a map of everyone's private life. The Home Office is expected shortly to publish plans for the storage of data which it says will be invaluable in the fight against crime.

* Facebook, one of the world's biggest internet sites, faced a privacy backlash when thousands of members signed a petition calling on the website to remove an advertising programme called Beacon, which can be used to track the spending habits of its users' visits to other websites.

* Google also courted controversy this year when it launched Street View, the controversial 3D mapping feature, in the UK. In one village householders stopped a Google vehicle from taking pictures of their street.

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Echerlon
[info]nigel_kerr wrote:
Tuesday, 14 April 2009 at 11:57 pm (UTC)
Echelon,
The US Surveillance System. Based in the UK & Europe has been reading your emails & listening to ALL Phone calls for years, totally illegally.
But Blair & New Labour, LOVED it!
Keep the Old Labour in check.
Brown "Hatter" is no different, Wake UP!

Olde England.
Trusting the Government with private information
[info]mike3h wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 12:37 am (UTC)
Good news here. This means that the Government will be able to use real information to smear people rather than making it up in the offices of number 10.
Re: Trusting the Government with private information
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:18 am (UTC)
The "good news" is that the Union may pluck up the necessary courage to reign in an offshore banana republic's fascist tendencies.
Re the Echelon disease (mentioned elsewhere in the thread) the best counter-measure (as in giving it indigestion if enough people did so) is : http://www.bugbrother.com/echelon/spookwordsgenerator.html
Europe
[info]comradekaff wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
We can see why the Daily Mail doesn't like Europe - if teh UK left, we'd be really stuffed.
Simon Davis
[info]neilmaybin wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:11 am (UTC)
Simon Davis may be a director of Privacy International, but he also has a contractual relationship with Phorm as part of his work with 80/20 Consulting. His comments on sovereignty and substance should be interpreted in the context of this.
Now where is the freedom of free speech?
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:24 am (UTC)
Nick Clark and Robert Verkaik
I simply do not understand the Big Brother in UK when UK is one of the leading IT and PC manufacturers. The first PC was made in UK. Why are we talking of the IT piracy now?
It is illegal in the UK to unlawfully intercept communications. The next sentence is still more perturbing as we are in the EU and the EU jumps on us. The EU is the new, while the UK is very well informed in the litigation of the piracy, PC, the new IT things that come in the market.
Now where is the freedom of free speech?
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
'illegal to intercept communications'
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:21 am (UTC)
Really? Did you know that every time you log to this site for example there's a li'l ol' key logger at work - I have the evidence as log of blocked attempts every time I log in. Now that reelly peelly *is* illegal but d'you think the goons who govern care a fig about legality?
Re: 'illegal to intercept communications' - [info]nickiuk - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:20 am (UTC) Expand
Re: 'illegal to intercept communications' - [info]cronyblatcher - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC) Expand
Re: &#39;illegal to intercept communications&#39; - [info]famulla - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC) Expand
WHich Hat was Simon Davis wearing?
[info]warescouse wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:41 am (UTC)
Was it his paid hat acting as a person paid by Phorm under 80/20, or his other hat which is Privacy International. He has already admitted there is a perception of a conflict of interest, perhaps there is a possible valid claim?
Get your facts straight.
[info]jamie_andrews wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:44 am (UTC)
"...In one village householders stopped a Google vehicle from taking pictures of their street."

You mean "In one village householders illegally blocked a public highway, supported by the police" by stopping a Google vehicle from taking pictures of their street."

Also, use of of Google is optional. Being tracked by Phorm won't be.

Then there is the small matter of dumbing down reporting of the negative aspects of the technology: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/UK_media_suppressed_Phorm_survey_and_article%2C_2009
EUROPE, DOES IT RIGHT; AGAIN
[info]dkayedon wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:11 am (UTC)


AND WHERE ARE THOSE ANTI EURO'S NOW.
HOW ABOUT WE JOIN THE UNION, THEY MY ACTUALLY BE BETTER FOR THE COMMON MAN/WOMAN.
TIME AND TIME AGAIN THIS COUNTRY AS BEEN SHOWN UP; HIGHEST PRISON POPULATION, HIGHEST NUMBER OF CHILDREN PREGNANT. HIGHEST WORKING HOURS, LOWEST PAY.
LOWEST PENSION FOR MOST OF US.
interesting news
[info]steveuk11 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:12 am (UTC)
two comments from me:
1. Simon Davies was PAID by Phorm to do work for them. He has only this week decided he cannot work for Phorm AND do his job at Privacy International without people seeing a conflict of interest, which of course he denies. Why have PI not commented about the way Phorm and their Webwise system works? Phorm is the only company proposing to snoop on All our internet usage. We can block Google if we wish, but how do we completely avoid Phorm if we wish?

2. Phorm says that BERR say their system is legal. Where have they said that? If it is, why is Your system only going live in Korea? And what is your response to the news that Amazon have told you not to intercept people looking at their web site's content?

It's about time this was put to bed. Phorm's Webwise is wrong. Advertising is ok. Snooping on people to deliver it is not acceptable.
Freedoms
[info]fwdinsight wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
We cannot rely on MP's to guarantee our freedoms. In the end juries are the final arbiter of what is wrong and what is right. That is why the Government with Brown leading tried to do away with them. If laws are considered unfair they won't support it in their Jury decisions. A case in point was the Leader of the BNP being dragged into court over a racial incident when it was clearly not. He was commenting on rapes of british women by Muslims. The Jury threw it out. The Government not satisfied took him to court again. and this time the Jury rightly threw it out in minutes. Do not allow the Jury system to be undermined and done away on any grounds.
Nothing is private.
[info]hodgeey wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 07:50 am (UTC)
For generations, mail has been opened and telephone calls, telegrams and faxes intercepted. Why should the internet be any different?

Every communication has commercial value and is traded by public and private organisations.

Surely everybody knows this. What's new?
Erm...
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC)
Thanks, Independent, for not even running a story about the 'sweeping new powers' that came into force the other day allowing all communication to be stored for a year (The Guardian did though). How you have the cheek to inform us now, as if you're as unhappy about this as us.

The media have a duty to be whistleblowers when it comes to important things like politics, crime and finance. Instead we see an extreme amount of articles about Jade Goody (RIP) other celebs and who's wearing what and who's wearing who.

And they wonder why kids are stoopid.
Re: Erm...
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:55 am (UTC)
and top of th bill : who is shagging whom

As I've poften said :

A totalitarian dictatorship does not hide its true agenda. It silences free speech with the concentration camp or the gun. The pseudo-democracy uses a much more effective method, it goes right to the root. By contriving underdevelopment and controlling the underdeveloped minds of its citizens, need to silence what they say is evaded, the masses never fail to repeat what they are told, and new ideas, radical ways of thinking, and other potential problems for the ruling class do not surface. To make up for the loss of stimulation and inventive thought, the masses are given a diet of entertainment to feed their starved minds. Standard cerebral diet is an ample supply of 'news'casts, soaps, and action dramas containing the violence and sexual objects of their dreams. Citizens are distracted from misgovernment going on all around them, but always just out of view behind a screen of unreality spun by mass communications media.
What about RFID - a system to track you everywhere!
[info]old_green wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
Notice, if you read carefully, they are only complaining about marketing and not tracking.
Nothing the European Commission says can be taken at face-value, without looking deeper.

The EU may be introducing legislation within months, that would authorise RFID and the Internet of Things
What is RFID?
RFID is a system for tracking people and their possessions 'in real time'. Imagine everywhere you go is logged and recorded and posted on the internet, immediately, as soon as you arrive.
Tiny radio transponder chips will be placed in everything you buy, each carrying a unique ID number. That number can be scanned from a distance of up to a few feet.
In the ‘Internet of Things’ (also called ‘Internet 3.0‘) every object will have its own internet web-page, with its RFID number being its web-address. Every time an object is detected by an RFID reader, the time and place will be logged on its web-page, together with other information, such as purchaser, etc.. But the record of the object’s movements will also be a record of its owner’s movements, and it will be a simple matter to cross-reference to identify all a person’s belongings. Tracking these objects’ history, on the Internet of Things, they will have tracked all your movements, your entire life. In fact, IBM already have a patent on this (US #200220165758 - ‘IDENTIFICATION AND TRACKING OF PERSONS USING RFID-TAGGED ITEMS’).
Here are a couple of good articles on the subject
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/27/rfid_chips_are_here/
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-rfid-tags-could-be-used
Is this EU policy?
read for yourselves: -
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/rfid/eu_approach/index_en.htm
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/rfid/documents/Iotconferencespeech012009.pdf

Now lets come back to Commissioner Reding and privacy protection.
The EU propose that consumers will have
* ‘Opt-in‘ privacy, meaning RFID tags would be automatically disabled at the check-out, unless you opt to keep them live.
* Prohibition of junk mail and marketing, unless you opt-in.

These protections sound good, but are they as good as they look?

1. The privacy proposals aren’t firm yet - they are still 'evolving' and may not be confirmed.
2. The EU want to make you carry RFID you can't disable, by putting it in all government issued cards, documents, passports, 'entitlement cards' and ID cards. Even if RFID tags in purchased items are disabled, there will still be plenty more tags to track us.
3. You are probably already carrying RFID - in things you would never think of - library cards, photocopier cards, ‘Oyster’ cards for the London Underground, etc.. There are items industry sneaked in while you weren't looking. Let’s not build the infrastructure to track these.
4. Disabled tags may not be ‘dead’ but merely ‘sleeping’. Somebody may be able to reactivate your tags without your knowledge. RFID tags can be programmable and capable of being turned on or off, or even given a new number or extra new information - even viruses. RFID technology can be hijacked for unauthorised uses and by criminals.
5. The EU want to track RFID in refuse. (See above and below). How will they do that, if RFID tags are disabled? The tags can’t be both turned-off and yet still working at the same time. Something’s got to give, and it’s probably going to be your privacy.

Here’s what it says about refuse, on the official EU website, listing the benefits of RFID: -
“How can the Tags improve your life?
http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/rfid/about_rfid/helping_me/index_en.htm

“Recycling: RFID tagging helps to sort and recycle products by automatically identifying and selecting the right treatment for them. This means the environment can be better protected and sustainable development improved.”

Write to your MEP
Follow the steps on this website - it will tell you how to contact them
UK Office of the European Parliament
http://www.europarl.org.uk/section/your-meps/your-meps

Re: What about RFID - a system to track you everywhere!
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC)
How to oppose RFID
[info]old_green wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)
How to oppose RFID


Writing to your MEP
Follow the steps on this website - it will tell you how to contact them
UK Office of the European Parliament
http://www.europarl.org.uk/section/your-meps/your-meps
Unlike the British Parliament, each Euro-constituency in Britain has three MEPs, not just one. We each have three different MEPs representing us, perhaps from three different parties.

Here’s a hint : - We have seen lots of replies from MEPs - most just waffle, and avoid any commitment to doing anything. When you write to your MEPs, it is important to use language that does not allow evasion.

Here is a suggested text: -

Dear MEP,

I am really appalled by the European Union’s proposals for RFID and the Internet 3.0. This is unacceptable privacy-invading technology.
I am very concerned that neither you nor any other MEP has spoken out about this.
Unless you promise to vote against this, I won’t vote for you. And I'll tell my friends.
In fact, to believe in your sincerity, I want to hear pro-active proposals to block and prohibit RFID product tagging.
I also want to hear you will stop EU funding for research on RFID and the Internet of Things.
Yes, I have heard about the EU proposals for privacy protection and, No, I am not impressed. Even 'Opt-in' is not enough to preserve our privacy. We should not be building an infrastructure for tracking people.
Yours,



Join CASPIAN (it’s Free!)
CASPIAN - Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion And Numbering - is the main campaign against RFID
http://www.nocards.org/feedback/index.shtml
You can also opt to sign-up to the CASPIAN newsletter on the same site, if you wish, for further updates.

Consumer protest
Supermarkets and corporations are hoping to introduce RFID with or without government help. Yes, we need to defeat the EU proposal, but we also need to stop the supermarkets.

Supermarkets and corporations may be powerful multi-billion dollar enterprises, but they are really scared of consumer pressure - and that’s where you come in.

CASPIAN will be launching an on-going campaign against RFID in supermarkets, and you can help.

So, what is ‘consumer protest’?
It can be as little as telling your friends about a boycott of a store or a product that has introduced RFID.
The CASPIAN newsletter (by email, monthly, free) will tell you what‘s going on and give you suggestions about what you can do. You can sign-up for the newsletter on the same site as CASPIAN membership
Re: How to oppose RFID
[info]canoworms27 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 06:09 pm (UTC)
Hey ol sport, You might find this of instrest? htt://www.coasttocoast.com/searchresultshtml?query=spychips feel free to to lrt me know?
Stopping RFID
[info]old_green wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
The most important thing to do, is to tell your friends.
Please send them the information above.
Pot & kettle?
[info]hezza14 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
Pot and kettle come to mind, as the EU is well on its way to transforming itself from a neo-fascist organisation into a neo-fascist state. It has an abysmal record with regard to "whistleblowers," and sees criticism of its leaders (commissars and Eurocrats) as beyond the pale!

That Noo Laybore with "The Blessed St Anthony of Sedgefield," and his successor, "The Iron Chancer," have used evey excuse to erode freedom in this country with the introduction of draconian laws ("you have nothing to fear." Really! So, what about your expenses, then?) under the guise of protecting us. Add the costly fiasco still to come home with ID cards, and we see the true colour of Noo Laybore.

This country is overwhelmed with camereas that watch our movements on foot and behind the wheel. We have police who are heavily politicised, along with community police, but also watching and noting are community wardens, traffic wardens, all manner of local authority snoopers watching and noting what we do or don't do. And let us not forget "The Iron Chancer's" fearless Home Secretary who wore body armour walking down a London street with Commader Plod (and we recall "The Blessed St Anthony's spouse who said the streets were unsafe), and other assorted Westminster wonks who want to hold telephone and e-mail records. It goes on and on.

Time to pull out of the EU and elect people that put the UK first and drop all this PC nonsense and pandering to Islamic groups and absurd Orwellian legislation.


[info]rozr wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 08:58 am (UTC)
Can't see this making any difference to our Stalinist government. They WANT to catalogue us all on their giant databases so THEY WILL. Yet there are still people who want to vote Labour next year! Are they completely crazy?
lost data
[info]garydumbill wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
considering over 25 million personal records have been lost in the last few years, im for one am pretty scared. soon we will have ID cards to contend with too...which im not entirely sure of there purpose- i already have a passport, drivers license. watch this video to see what i mean-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRL5YGZ3tI&feature=channel_page
Phorm
[info]foxcottage wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
Offer Phorm services if you like, BT, but don't assume that you can ram them down your customers' throats. Opt-in is reasonable, opt-out is an abuse.
the british state is morally ugly
[info]britfree wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
what can you expect ? , the awful british state has stolen even the right to disagree with it . still as they used to say , "think your self lucky that you dont live in an authoritarian state " . i commit a crime everytime i turn on a computer . my attitude hasnt changed over four decades of adult life , i've always hated the british state . at the height of the cold war , they used to say how lucky we were , they probably would like us to think that now . i hated them then , i hate them now ,times ten
Surveilance
[info]had_it wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:38 am (UTC)
Would it be illegal if people who owned a shopping mall watched you yo see which store you went into, what you looked at and what you bought there? And the difference is?
Re: Surveilance
[info]britfree wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:54 am (UTC)
what a small brain ,its called stalking , and yes ,it would be at least technically illegal. it wouldnt stop them though .
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Re: Surveilance - [info]had_it - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:58 pm (UTC) Expand
phorm
[info]richy_seize wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 09:59 am (UTC)
no-one can be trusted not to abuse your personal data - wake up - its like allowing the credit bubble to grow - one day we'll have a fashist government and we won't be able to move to act against it cos we'll all be watched - a la big brother - its not a cliche but a real possibility
RFID/ Data logging
[info]rhinopig wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 10:08 am (UTC)
RFID and Data logging will only be of use to the Govt in a small no of ways. RFID tags can easily be blown with a small magnetic field generator small enough to fit in your pocket. Any serious trouble maker will encrypt data use one time pads ( Totally unckackable ) and other means to communicate. I think this is a load of ho ha that is a distraction from what is really going on. Do I sound paranoid?
You Can Have it
[info]russianjohn wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 10:20 am (UTC)
Sometimes I'm glad I live in South Africa. We aren't the average African state & have most modern "conveniences". However, basically, the Government is a bunch of dumbasses who wouldn't know how to track you to the nearest pub. Nor would they be interested in doing so. I enjoy reading the "comments" posted here but have never understood: if you Brits so strongly abhor the EU, why the hell don't u leave. It's not compulsory to belong you know.
Re: You Can Have it
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC)
russianjohn ... thanks for your advice, but we hear life isn't exactly safe for your White Farmers down in South Africa, surveillance technology or no surveillance technology. Quite a lot have been ruthlessly eradicated in the dead of night, as the jargon goes.

You suggest that because we abhor the EU and this crypto-Communist Labour Government that we should leave. What? Leave our own country, our place of birth and our heritage, just to escape tyrants and totalitarian scumbags living the life of Riley off tax-payer's money?

This is our land. It is the land of our forefathers! Lord knows how many English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish died during World Wars I and II, defending this turf.

If anyone is going to leave, it'll be the EU, its insidious offices, and secret agents getting thrown out. And as for many of New Labour's most senior apparatchiks --- several of whom are already criminals --- they might eventually be obliged to leave the UK through a trap door at the end of a rope. I understand Tony Blair's new home is now Jerusalem. That's a measure of the concern he now feels for his safety.
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Re: You Can Have it - [info]nerderello - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC) Expand
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The time is now........
[info]crashandburn01 wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 11:11 am (UTC)
........to stop the inexorable erosion of our privacy by a far from benign state. Do we need any more evidence that parts of the state's security apparatus is seriously flawed and does not always, or it seems that often, work primarily for the welfare of each individual citizen but rather for the protection of the apparatus itself and its masters. Over the last week in these comment columns there has been many people voicing their undersanding of the perils we face from a government obsessed with surveillance and a police force so untrustworthy as to beggar belief; our welfare should be the first priority of the government we elect and if it fails to honour that responsibility it must be removed - by democratic means of course!
Re: The time is now........
[info]errol888flynn wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC)
Yes, crashandburn01, but don't think the ballot box is going to solve our problems. Democratic means by all means, but this need not delude us into thinking a traditional vote is going to bring necessary change.

You need to get yourself familiar with the concept of "Lawful Rebellion."

Here is a priceless video as a tutorial. Please watch and learn.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IM7Hobd_k&feature=PlayList&p=C4053BC8AA0BAE00&index=0

YouTube version comes in 5 parts ... or alternatively here it is as one uninterrupted production:

//bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/articles/john-harris-its-illusion

no need for the prefix www. on that last URL
Re: The time is now........ - [info]cronyblatcher - Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:15 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: The time is now........ - [info]cronyblatcher - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:03 am (UTC) Expand
Re: The time is now........ - [info]errol888flynn - Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC) Expand
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