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Ministers 'misled' judges over torture evidence

By Robert Verkaik and Nigel Morris

David Miliband told Parliament he would not press the US for details of the case

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David Miliband told Parliament he would not press the US for details of the case

Evidence that a British resident was tortured before being flown to Guantanamo Bay may yet see the light of day after senior judges hearing the case were told yesterday they had been misled by the Government.

The Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, argued on Wednesday that national security could be compromised if secret CIA documents detailing the interrogation of Binyam Mohamed were placed in the public domain. His comments came after the High Court refused to order the disclosure of a CIA dossier referring to the treatment of Mr Mohamed, 31, who was arrested as a terrorism suspect. It said that to do so would put the British public at risk because America had threatened to withdraw co-operation in terror cases.

In their ruling, Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Lloyd Jones said they decided not to release the documents because Mr Miliband believed there was a "real risk" that the potential loss of intelligence co-operation would seriously increase the terror threat faced by the UK. Yesterday, however, the Foreign Secretary told MPs that Washington did not "threaten" to break off co-operation, but had simply affirmed that the sharing of information could be damaged.

Mr Mohamed, an Ethiopian, was granted refugee status in the UK in 1994. He was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 and handed over to US agents. He claims he was secretly flown to Morocco and tortured before being moved to Afghanistan and finally, in 2004, to the US naval base in Cuba, where he remains. All terror charges against him were dropped last year.

He says the evidence against him was based on confessions extracted by torture and ill-treatment – a claim denied by the US – and that British agencies were complicit in his torture.

Last night, his lawyers wrote to the High Court to ask the two judges to reconsider their judgment, arguing that ministers were now denying that disclosure of the CIA dossier threatened joint anti-terror operations. Mr Mohamed's counsel, Dinah Rose, QC, quoted Mr Miliband as saying that no threat to end intelligence-sharing was ever made to Britain by the US.

Mr Mohamed's legal team says it is clear that the perceived threat of non-co-operation was crucial to the court's decision not to release the dossier, even though it was in the public interest to do so. "These admissions by the Foreign Secretary would seem to undermine the whole basis of the court's reluctant decision to refuse to publish those details," said a spokesman.

In the Commons earlier, Mr Miliband dismissed calls to urge the new US administration to disclose information about the treatment of a terror suspect at Guantanamo Bay. He denied the White House had ever threatened to "break off" co-operation, but argued that the mutual trust essential to the sharing of sensitive intelligence would be undermined if Britain insisted on publication. Such a move would "cause real and significant damage to the national security and international relations of this country," he told MPs.

Mr Miliband said he had discussed Mr Mohamed's case with the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, when they met in Washington this week. But he insisted: "I am not going to join a lobbying campaign against the American government for this decision."

Opposition parties accused the Foreign Secretary of striking a "shabby and shady" deal with the White House. Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for foreign affairs, said the Government was trying to avoid embarrassing the US by covering up evidence of torture.

"The point at question is not a threat to our security coming from terrorists, but a threat to our security coming from our closest ally," he said. "The Foreign Secretary should have made it clear to our American friends that this country's opposition to torture meant we would have nothing to do with intelligence gathered that way. Instead, the British Government just rolled over in the face of a scarcely credible threat from a friend."

Mr Mohamed has been on hunger strike for a month and is said by his lawyers to be close to death. A US military attorney who saw him at Guantanamo last week said: "He is just skin and bones. The real worry is that he comes out in a coffin."

Karen Buck, the Labour MP for Regent's Park and Kensington North, in whose constituency Mr Mohamed lived, told the Commons he was "very frail and very sick" and called for his urgent repatriation to Britain.

Mr Miliband said: "We are pursuing his return at the highest level, including in discussions with Secretary Clinton and with the appropriate US authorities... we are working as fast and as hard as we can."

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[info]lkdamo wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:46 am (UTC)
"The foreign secretary said in both cases US planes refuelled on the UK dependent territory of Diego Garcia.

He said he was "very sorry" to have to say that previous denials made in "good faith" were now having to be corrected. "

In other words, we lied and lied untill it was obvious that we are a bunch of liers.
Then say sorry for hanging with scumbags.
While keeping the company of known criminals in contradiction of your parole, now, now.

You have been corrected again Dr. Wierdlove.
[info]lkdamo wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 04:21 am (UTC)
"Liberal Democrat spokesman for foreign affairs, said the Government was trying to avoid embarrassing the US by covering up evidence of torture."

Is Britian void of embarrasment for torture?
This could be the point, is Britian liable too?

Is this the democracy the west is exporting?
Most of us agree in the latest poll, that we should kill you and keep it a secret.
Jack the ripper would love to be a knob in this world.
[info]jfkc wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC)
Self doubts, constant examination and open criticism of government behaviours are also characters of Western Democracy as well. That is why all these judges, opposition politicians, newspapers and perhaps even readers like us are doing and, more importantly, allowed to keep doing all the time. Western democracy is by no means perfect but it is a sign of its maturity that all these difficult issues like terroism/national security/torture are openly discussed and governments can be seriously embarrassed even if they are only indirectly involved in torture. If this government or any government embarrassed us enough, we the voters can get rid of them simply by voting them out. Isn't that simple enough?
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:14 pm (UTC)
** If this government or any government embarrassed us enough, we the voters can get rid of them simply by voting them out. **

Just as we voted them in? Errr, shome mishtake there shurely?
What USe?
[info]hummingbird1934 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 08:03 am (UTC)
What use is US intelligence to the British? Oh, I forgot, they can feed us outrageous lies, use us to help them support dictators they do like and depose (or murder) those they don't all because they simply adore making the British complicit in their imperialist expansionist policies.
Milliband, torture denial?
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 08:03 am (UTC)
Is Milliband seriously suggesting if confidential information is made public, it will jeopardise future intelligence exchanges? Is he really trying to interpret and second guess the US? His inexperience is really astounding. In fact, it is totally unacceptable, but expected from a dysfunctional front bench. He should know intelligence is two way traffic. Simply ask the US for public clarification.

Remember when lies and distortions masquerade as truth, Democracy dies.
Still at least Blair has God to forgive him
[info]unlikelylad wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 08:15 am (UTC)
How do the two stories tally up - torture and faith.

Hypocrisy and yet we still choose to be governed by this lot. Bring on the revolution now!
We should be terrified..
[info]tommytcg wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 08:54 am (UTC)
was it not one of these bad guys who shut down the half-trillion dollar US air defenses from a cave in Afghan. with a laptop? Just conspiracy theory that few believe? Oh, OK, relax and breathe again
A banana republic, except for the weather
[info]findempire wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC)
British collusion and complicity with Yank torture and secrecy is just one more depressing proof that the "special relationship" is that between a master and his servant. Ever since the Yanks threatened to recall Britain's IMF loans during the Suez crisis and helped the Tories topple Harold Wilson, Britain has been a Yank banana republic clinging to imperial memories to cover its indignity while it does Uncle Sam's dirty work.
Miliband has no choice but to do his master's bidding or he goes the way of Jack Straw:
How the US fired Jack Straw
Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, had taken exception to Mr Straw?s statement that it would be "nuts" to bomb Iran. The United States, it was said, had put pressure on Tony Blair to change his Foreign Secretary. Mr Straw had been fired at the request of the Bush Administration, particularly at the Pentagon.

Meanwhile, the world is still waiting for the president-messiah Obama to do another volte-face on the coverup over interrogation methods in US torture prisons. Will he admit he "screwed up" yet again and order the records to be declassified or will he "revise" his promise of transparency like he "revised" so many of his other campaign promises?
From a taxpayers perspective
[info]forwardplanning wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 09:43 am (UTC)
"Mr Mohamed, an Ethiopian, was granted refugee status in the UK in 1994. He was arrested in Pakistan in 2002"

I note with interest the 'interesting' use of the term "British resident". So he is not a British citizen. This turn of phrase is relatively new, it appears to smack of 'doublespeak'. Notwithstanding, at the end of the day he is not British, so why all this 'noise', he is no more the UKs' responsibility, than any other country.

Unless the UK government, sanctioned dubious treatment of this man. Quite simply, they and any other government bodies complicit in this should be charged with war crimes, they are alone are accountable. There is no justification for the taxpayer to be made accountable and bail out the government for their dubious, insidious and unlawful actions. What is it with this government that they must always interfere in everything and yet continually fail dismally.

From a different dimension, I do have some overriding questions, which are

Why did this man come all the way from Ethiopia to the UK?

Why did he not stop at the first safe Country?

Did he seek work whilst in the UK, or was he living off the taxpayer all the time he was staying here?

Why was he allowed to stay so long in the UK?

What was he doing in Pakistan? The reason for this question is, if he was unemployed who funded the flight?
Guantanmo and Torture
[info]kalbani wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC)
False confessions through tortures, cheating judges through lies than there is no difference between

Bush-Blair & Co. and Saddam Husain and
British judges and Saddam's judges.

Is this what the Wester Democracy and English judicial system is trying to export
Mr Bean strikes again.
[info]zansal wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
I said yesterday Miliband had got himself into a right mess with his contradictory statements. this guy just keeps digging that hole. Problem is he's taking the credibility if the British Nation with him.

Miliband may have 2 eyes and not be Scottish but he most certainly is Mr Bean.
Why is he being called a British 'resident'?
[info]kerrygold wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:33 am (UTC)
He left Britain in 2001, to go to Afghanistan to 'cure his heroin addiction'. He does not have a British passport, and is an Ethiopian. Why is he being called a British 'resident'? Does this mean that anyone who has ever lived in Britain is a British resident, even if they do not have a British passport and are have not lived in Britain for a long time.
Re: Why is he being called a British 'resident'?
[info]neil_mcgowan wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:17 pm (UTC)
And that gives Miliband the right to torture him??

How are things on your planet? Is it as cold as in Britain?
Torture of prisoners
[info]peterdavidsmith wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
Here in Canada we recently had a TV programme about a Canadian citizen who had been tortured in Guatanamo (and is still there). The methods, and the admissions under oath by US guards, were more than disgusting; they were abominable. For a country like the US or UK to use these methods is nothing short of a national disgrace. Yet in this instance I have to wonder what an Ethiopian citizen, given refugee status in the UK, is doing in an area of Pakistan during a conflict? No doubt there is an element of guilt. but torture is a disgrace.
David Miliband
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 01:49 pm (UTC)
Mr. Miliband aids and abets criminal elements--the nefarious CIA is worse than anything the Nazis did--from creating illegal prisons from Poland to Peru, to torturing human beings. The CIA and Miliband should stand trial in the World Court for crimes against humanity and when found guilty, the CIA and Mr. Miliband should be executed if there is any justice at all. The British Parliament is an accomplice to this crime by covering it up, and the Lords who attempt to hide the crime are equally guilty and no mercy should be shown them. Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for foreign affairs, said the Government was trying to avoid embarrassing the US by covering up evidence of torture. His is correct and must be congratulated, while Mr Miliband must step down and answer for his duplicity, lack of veracity and coverup of the most vile of crimes in human history. If Milibrand is not tried then there is no justice in the UK.
Re: David Miliband
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 06:58 am (UTC)
Quite apart from the "world court", it is unlawful in British law to "mislead" (that's a characteristic euphemism for deliberately lie to) a court, of course because of the way judges are selected in the banana republic of pseudo-democratic Britain, as 'safe' jolly good chaps who are "one of us" as the children's milk snatching Crone put it, there will not be even a gentle admonishment of the perpetrator.
Re: David Miliband
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:01 pm (UTC)
The greatest tragedy is that the USA was an original proponent for the World Court then refused to sign its charter or abide by its decisions--even when an American was a jurist on the court. The Bush MisAdministration was one of the most corrupt governments in history, equalled only by Tony Blair and his ilk, but they will remain sought after for their economic worth, not their morality, veracity or credibility, for they feed on the ignorance of others, and milk tribute in the form of feigned praise from the less fortunate and the most ignorant. The USA has a gaggle of goons on its Supreme Court (Alioto, Thomas, Kennedy, Scalia, and "lito light") who would rather turn back the hands of time and disenfranchise voters so they can continue to shred the US Constitution as Blair rampaged across Magna Carta as if his horse was festering at Runnymede. Milibrand should be tried in the same way as Karl Rove and the nefarious Harriet Meiers.
Karen Buck, the Labour MP for Regent's Park and Kensington North, in whose constituency Mr Mohamed l
[info]don_66 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 04:02 pm (UTC)
Why shoiuld he be repatriated to the UK when he was arrested in Pakistan ?

He shoiuld have lost any rght to Asylum here when he decided to leave.
Intelligence Sharing
[info]cwild wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 05:52 pm (UTC)
The idea that the US would reduce the intelligence shared with the UK was never a realistic threat. All the UK has to do is to stop sharing the intelligence from GCHQ and tell the US to get out of Filingdales and Harrowgate. While the partnership is one-sided, US security would still be damaged by a withdrawal of cooperation from the UK.
Torture and the Courts
[info]archie1954 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:00 pm (UTC)
How much do you wish to wager that the poor incarcerated gentleman suddnely dies of heart failure, much to the feigned concern of both the US and UK governments who afterwards will breathe a sigh of relief now that the source of embarrassing information is silenced. This matter goes to the heart of our democracy, our rule of law, our ethics and our humanitatian resposibilities. Our respective governments are wanting severely in all of these areas.
Torture
[info]jeg_og wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 09:57 pm (UTC)
It seems to me that had there not been any torture, there would not be any threat to the security information (I refuse to call it intelligence, because all to often it turns out to be a crock of excreta).
Dennik
Gitmo
[info]kittysmithjones wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:18 pm (UTC)
Send all British ministers and Blair for a holiday at Gitmo to regain their moral values. British voters are sick to teeth with more lies from the Labour Government. Blair committed the greatest fraud on us, now we have Brown, another hopeless politcian. Where is Labour's foreign ethical policy?
THE NEO CONSPIRACY AGAIN
[info]zanulabour wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:46 pm (UTC)
One sure fire way of getting somebody to admit to anything is to slash their balls with a razor blade,does it really matter what nation state they may be from.If what has happened to this man at the hands of these criminals turns out to be true,then the mental scars would almost certainly make his life unbearable,and his only hope for freedom is death,GOD SPEED.
Saving Face
[info]taxfries wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 11:49 pm (UTC)
This is less about national security and international relations than it is about saving a tired UK goverment from further embarrassment.
What we desperately need above all else is....
[info]fumanchuria wrote:
Sunday, 8 February 2009 at 08:46 pm (UTC)
.....a full Parliamentary investigation into the WHOLE OF THE IRAQ WAR, from the start to now, taking in Hutton, Bliar, BBC; the whole nine yards. It would be nice to think that this would lead to the criminals being out in front of the ICJ at The Hague as well but, getting some TRUTH would be good.
"parliamentary investigation"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 07:33 am (UTC)
Yep! I too enjoy watching a circus
The greatest enemies of democracy
[info]arthur_ide wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:08 pm (UTC)
Ed Davy, Liberal spokesman for foreign affairs is the great shame of the UK, for he is as unscrupulous and vain as Karl Rove who was able to get the pathetic Yoo to sign off on watertorture with the full backing of Aschroft, Rumsfeld, and W Bush. Why the UK tolerates Davy, or the other enemies of the people, is simple to understand--as there are millions in the USA who worship as a god W and his cronies while the justice system in the UK is as obnoxious as the US Supreme Court's gaggle of goons led by Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, and Alioto who have never seen a freedom they respected or would protect. Until the World Court is given power to go after those who have committed the most henious crimes against humanity (W Bush and T Blair) it will be nothing but a laughing stock that rifles in on the most barbaric bandits in poor nations like Somalia and Sudan. But Blair will have his supporters in the UK as the GOP has as its head and heart the "entertainer" Rush Limbaugh who would not know the truth if it bit him. While it is hoped by many that the Liberals will be kicked out in the next election in the UK, there is already talk in the USA of impeaching Obama if he goes back on his promises to clean up the mess created and left by W Bush and the worse of all possible enemies of democracy: the CIA.

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