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Princess facing Saudi death penalty given secret UK asylum

Woman feared she would be stoned after giving birth to an illegitimate child in Britain

By Robert Verkaik, Home Affairs Editor

Saudi Arabia, ruled by King Abdullah, is home to about 30,000 Britons

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Saudi Arabia, ruled by King Abdullah, is home to about 30,000 Britons

A Saudi Arabian princess who had an illegitimate child with a British man has secretly been granted asylum in this country after she claimed she would face the death penalty if she were forced to return home. The young woman, who has been granted anonymity by the courts, won her claim for refugee status after telling a judge that her adulterous affair made her liable to death by stoning.

Her case is one of a small number of claims for asylum brought by citizens of Saudi Arabia which are not openly acknowledged by either government. British diplomats believe that to do so would in effect be to highlight the persecution of women in Saudi Arabia, which would be viewed as open criticism of the House of Saud and lead to embarrassing publicity for both governments.

The woman, who comes from a very wealthy Saudi family, says she met her English boyfriend – who is not a Muslim – during a visit to London. They struck up a relationship.

She became pregnant the following year and worried that her elderly husband – a member of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia – had become suspicious of her behaviour, she persuaded him to let her visit the UK again to give birth in secret. She feared for her life if she returned to Saudi Arabia.

She persuaded the court that if she returned to the Gulf state she and her child would be subject to capital punishment under Sharia law – specifically flogging and stoning to death. She was also worried about the possibility of an honour killing.

Since she fled Saudi Arabia, her family and her husband's family have broken off contact with her.

The woman has been granted permanent leave to remain in the UK after the Immigration and Asylum tribunal allowed her appeal.

The Home Office yesterday declined to discuss the case. A spokesman for the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in London said that he would call back but subsequently became unavailable.

Relations between the UK and Saudi Arabia have been strained in recent years and were brought to a head in 2006 when Tony Blair intervened to end a Serious Fraud Office (SFO) inquiry into alleged kickbacks paid in a multibillion military aircraft deal between the two states.

The Saudi royal family was deeply concerned about the idea that the investigators might try o open up their Swiss bank accounts, it was alleged at the time.

This led the Saudis to threaten to restrict the sharing of intelligence relating to terror activity if the prosecution went ahead. They also threatened to pull out of other highly-lucrative arms deals.

Last year, the House of Lords ruled that the SFO's decision to drop the corruption investigation into the £43bn Saudi arms deal with BAE Systems was unlawful.

In a hard-hitting ruling, two High Court judges described the SFO's decision as "an outrage".

One of them, Lord Justice Moses, said the SFO and the Government had given into "blatant threats" that Saudi intelligence co-operation would end unless the probe into corruption was halted.

"No one, whether within this country or outside, is entitled to interfere with the course of our justice," he said. "It is the failure of government and the defendant to bear that essential principle in mind that justifies the intervention of this court."

The Middle East state has been shrouded in controversy over oppressive policies against women and homosexuals. Secrecy surrounds much of the Saudi legal system, but in a recent report on the use of the death penalty in the kingdom, the human rights group Amnesty International highlighted its extensive use against men and women.

Adulterers face public stonings and floggings and, in the most serious cases, beheadings and hangings.

The high numbers of executions in Saudi Arabia in 2007 continued into 2008. There were at least 102 executions of men and women last year – at an average rate of two every week. Amnesty is aware of at least 136 individuals currently awaiting execution.

Last week, Saudi Arabia's religious police were blamed for the death of two sisters who were murdered in what was deemed an "honour killing" by their brother, after the sisters were arrested for allegedly mixing with men to whom they were not related.

The Society for Defending Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia said that the religious police had arrested the two sisters, aged 19 and 21, thus putting their lives in danger.

Their brother shot them dead in front of their father when they left a women's shelter in Riyadh on 5 July, according to Saudi news reports.

In 2007, in a case that shocked Saudis, a woman from Qatif was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in prison after being gang-raped. She offended cultural expectations because she was unaccompanied when she got into a car with a former boyfriend.

The man had agreed to hand back a photograph of the woman who was about to marry another man, but as they drove along a street they were stopped and seized by seven men who raped them both. The woman was originally sentenced to 90 lashes but the sentence was increased when she appealed. Eventually, after an international outcry, she was pardoned.

In 2007, King Abdullah II of Saudi Arabia was jeered during a state visit to Britain as dozens of demonstrators turned out to protest at his country's human rights record.

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[info]ourmaninferney wrote:
Sunday, 19 July 2009 at 11:32 pm (UTC)
"... embarrassing publicity for both governments"? They *deserve* all the embarrassing publicity that can be thrown at them! Saudi Arabia is the world's leading exporter of intolerance. If it wasn't for their oil, we wouldn't give them the time of day.
SFO still unlawful
[info]spolat wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 12:00 am (UTC)
What ever happened to transparency and democracy with the sfo case? I think people should still be brought to justice, if money can rule politicians and courts what's the point of calling it system "justice", disgrace to the nation of such democracy where monarchy still remains.

We still provide advice to other international institutions and nations on democracy, the governing powerful elite need a lecture or two on transparency and democracy, since elitism is on the rise, and the small majority of the elected should not have the right to avoid legal actions(new untouchables), but only hope they would not get the same treatment.
As we have not seen the face of justice in a while with the courts having such short sentences to criminals and sometimes none to the ones who commit murder against democracy, too much has changed in judges minds afraid to bring justice to show the nation the right and wrong.
Either your a leader or follower in this world, you cant be both if you intent to have a position. Which side justice(democracy) or injustice(no democracy)?

One may say that it is in the best interest of the country but who's interests first? People/Oil/Politicians/Banks/ xyz companies and shareholders...

S Polat
Holding the world to ransom by creating debt
[info]amanfrommars wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 04:18 am (UTC)
"If it wasn't for their oil, we wouldn't give them the time of day." ...... But it is not their oil, is it? It is a natural global resource which has been claimed as being theirs, but is sold in dollars, and is regularly manipulated in the markets to create and maintain debt levels.
What to do with Saudi...
[info]sillofthedoor wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
...the US and Uk's answer was to get its businesses into oil fields of Iraq so that "democracy" could cease its embarrasing financial dependency on the Saudi royal family....hardly an answer without complications, and so far hasn't worked very well at all.

But with things as they stand no govt can afford to challenge the Saudi's despite the suicidal pilots of 9/11 being Saudi, not to mention Bin Ladin, number one baddie of the west of the west and all round not an Iraqi or Afghanistani.

The only other old fashioned way is to go to Russia and that's even more humiliating, if only because its harder to pretend it isn't happening.

There's nothing for it, we have to end the oil economy.

Hurrah!!
Re: What to do with Saudi...
[info]sukmy_richard wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 03:13 pm (UTC)
Dear sillofthedoor:

If you took the time to write something here, make it factual .. not fictional!
Only one of the 9/11 pilots was saudi .. and he 'somehow' managed to fly into the pentagon.
The other three were egyptian, u.a.e and labanese ..
The other 18 saudis were dumb muscle men ..

have a nice day!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

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Saudi Arabia
[info]commondog wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 06:26 am (UTC)
What happened to our PC and cultural understanding. Is the UK cherry picking cafeteria style Islam. I agree with Anglstan where the followers of that vile creed can decapitate and mutilate each other to their hearts content. Let diversit take its course
Re: Saudi Arabia
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:18 am (UTC)
I agree that many Muslims practice a vile version of that creed, but so do many Christians and similar practices were current in the Christian Europe of inquisitions and witch burnings, Don't condemn just Islam, condemn the religious formula of believing your rightness leading to righteousness leading to evangelising intolerance. We may think we have outgrown that phase but it remains in holy texts and fundamentalists tendencies whether of Christian or Jewish

All three revealed religions of the "book" should be condemned.
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Culture clash
[info]leonore35 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 07:07 am (UTC)
The so called clash of cultures is basically about sex, the West personified by USA which believes in sex and as much of it as possible. The Islamic world personified in its extreme by Saudi Arabia which believes in as little sex as possible and only between relatives! Of course these laws are mainly directed at women in Islam. men can get away with a lot and do. In a certain well known SE Asian country HIV was introduced by married men going to Thailand on sex tours. As I always say men make the laws and women are forced to obey them
It is also noteworthy that although homosexuality is illegal in SA, the man with the woman in the taxi was raped also. It is open season on any woman who is merely perceived as behaving 'immorally'
I am convinced that the psychotic tendencies leading to suicide bombers etc has its roots in this sexual repression especially for young men
Of course it would be Politically Incorrect for any one to research this
Re: Culture clash
[info]joshuasgrandma wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
leonore35 is absolutely right - if these guys could date, they wouldn't have such a problem - Bill Mahar, US political satirist said it best - 'We shouldn't send 150,000 troops to Iraq - we should send 150,000 prostitutes!' It is well established in psychological research that sexual repression and fear cause all forms of violent bizarre behaviors. Nothing PI about that...
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[info]ron753 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 07:29 am (UTC)
Our government would sup with the devil if it would serve their currupt policies. But the Tories are just as corrupt - neither party has a principle left to its name!
[info]ajwimble wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 07:36 am (UTC)
All the time that the British government refuse to critisize the muman rights abuses of some countries that it considers friends, it will lack credibiltiy in speaking out against abuses elsewhere, such as Iran or China.
strange.
[info]darryn87 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 07:50 am (UTC)
this woman has been given asylum in a nation that has adopted sharia law to please islamic immigrant communities. sharia is the very system of religious laws with which the saudi goverment would use in order to kill this woman. is britain one badly f#!ked up country or what! and all because of a generation of self-loathing anti-british panzies. white coolies who thought it would be a good idea to flood their nation with hordes of foreigners from the third world, and worst of all, they are still in power and still allowing this invasion. how sad.
Re: strange.
[info]mad9_man wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 12:01 pm (UTC)
quite agree - this rich bitch will doubtless be allowed to receive benefits here instead of being sent straight back to face the consequences - what a pathetic state this country is in due to the namby pamby utterly useless Home Office / government
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Oil dependency and sex
[info]bonavent wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
This affair - whatever one may think of Western governments and their devious ways - gives a good argument for going green - and not the green of the Saudi flag!
$$$$
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
The Saudis have a lot of cash so they get away with doing what they like. I'm surprised no one in the foreign office hasn't invited them to come over with a sack of rocks and finish off the job on this whore.
Re: $$$$
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 11:36 am (UTC)

Sadly incorrect, they are in debt. The USA/UK make they buy massively expensive weapons, other technologies and consultancy as part of the deal to keep the Saudi family in power - Syriana style...
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Better no Sya anything
[info]fastguyeddie wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
They may kick our diplomats out and cancel the precious arms deals
Barbaric Law
[info]mgbc wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC)
This is an utterly serious matter which is affecting not only the Saudis but the whole world and this type of Barbaric Law can not be accepted and tolerated in a civilized world. Some of the Muslims are supporting this Barbaric Regime and their Law. Please, all the Civilized and Democratic Countries should ask them to end this type Totalitarian Rule and encourage democratic participation by its general public including women otherwise they should be isolated from the world. If they threaten with their oil, they know hat can not drink their oil.
Re: Barbaric Law
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:43 am (UTC)

The stoneing law comes from the old Testament. Its a Jewish law.
Judaism and Christianity are considered previous phases of Islam.

Easy on the "civilised" part. What you call civilised society (gays, lesbians, swingers, wide spread promescuity, no respect for parents, no relationship with family, children etc etc etc) is consided a depraved and immoral society by rest of the world.

The oil is Saudi under the clandestine control of the USA. That is why oil is sold in US currency and not Dihrams - its known as a "petro-dollar" cycle. So, for example, if Japan wants to buy oil, it has to trade with the USA to get dollars which it can use to buy oil from Saudi Arabia and so on...
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if British break the law,escaped to suadia,what British do ?
[info]amenaman wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
one of UK-saudia illegal relations.....See Ann Jolly in international corruption affairs;that book called :
Justice under siege.
see the Israel/c.i.a how both are involved,,!
If British break the law and escape to Saudia,what British do if Saudi gave protection to British..?
Re: if British break the law,escaped to suadia,what British do ?
[info]joselevy wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 08:12 pm (UTC)
Why everytime muslim / arabs are criticized they come up with "but Israel, the Jews, etc."? Forget us. This is a matter between medieval kingdom of Saudi (a country with the name of the owners, the Al Saud family) Arabia and xxx licking Britain.
Price?
[info]r129 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
What will be the cost to the UK taxpayer of supporting the woman and her child now she has been cut off from her wealthy family?
Don't blame muslims, blame politicians who invite muslims to Europe
[info]rex123 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC)
Have anybody of respected readers and commentators here read the Quaran? (in translation ofcource).
I made such an attempt long time ago...What I must tell you is that all European politicians, journalists and simple people DO NOT REALISE that Islam is not simply a religion (like Christianity, Budhism or Hinduism for example). Islam in principle CAN NOT BE SEPARATED FROM STATE, SOCIAL LIFE, POLITICS and JUDICIAL SYSTEM. - if you try to separate it from above mentioned (like we do with other religions) - it will contradict the Quaran and IMMIDIATELLY incite fundamentalists for violent actions....Remember Jesus said "Don't judje and you'll not be judjed" and "Give to the God what belongs to the God - and give to the Caesar what belongs to the Caesar" - those commandments give the right to even the most fanatic Christians NOT to protest separation of Church from the State and all those liberal freedoms - they know they will not be judjed if they will not judje (and protest too much) against sexual, liberal and other freedoms of secular society... BUT MUSLIMS WERE NOT GIVEN THE RIGHT NOT TO JUDJE !!! There is no such right in the Quaran ! According to Quaran if you have opportunity to punish the sin of other person (for ex. girl walking semi-naked) and you do not punish her - her sin will be on you as well as on her - and you'll be punished by the God for it after your death...As long as muslims are minority in UK - they are not OBLIGED to punish you all for violating muslim dress code , drinking brendy , erotics etc, because once they are minority -it is considered they have no opportunity to punish you, so there is no contradiction to Quaran, BUT WAIT A LITTLE - once they will become majority (or at least when they will feel enough power to influence situation) - they will show you "who is who"...You think I blame them for it? - No way. We, Christians are not risking our Life Eternal not fighting against porno, atheism etc., we need only to voice our protest but not obliged to punish anybody - not so with muslims - if they are majority, and they do not take measures - they will loose Life Eternal !....I would say it is cruel to demand from a muslim believer to loose Eternal Life after death, am I right?...So muslims are not guilty...Guilty are those politicians who provide for influx of Muslims into Europe, thus effectively preparing a civil war here or political soil for Imamat of Europe with the same role of Christian and atheistic minority (by that time) here as those minorities played in Ottoman Empire...Its that simple - stop to treat Islam as just another Christian confession - it is not analog to any - it is absolutelly diferent complex of religious regime with spiritual aspect inseparable from political, governmental, social, judicial and even behavioristic (another type of marriage, another notion of Love (connected to type of marriage) another role of women, another priorities in development etc. etc.etc....The only way to secure secular society in Europe is to stop muslim influx here....Pesonally I am not anti-muslim, but I am against muslim immigration to Europe...I believe that Islam is real word of God, but it was given to those who understand reality of Power and Fear of God rather then Love - Christianity was given to those Loving and Free - but we don't cherish our freedom, we are loosing ability to understand Christian Love - the result is that more strict and harsh Low of God will be imposed on us...It is like in life - if you are free and you fail to obide norms, you get to prison and much more strickt rules are imposed on you - and it is for everybody's benefit....the benefit in more general understanding of a political process is fulfilment of the prophesy that there will be no life for manking without the God...If you'll fail to support your faith, you'll go to the mosk....Those examples of Turkey as secular state are funny - they simply want to get to EU very much (secular of convinience so to say - it is not for a long time)- once they are inside - they will join efforts with other immigrant muslims to impose their rules on you...

Re: Don't blame Muslims, blame politicians who invite Muslims to Europe
[info]richardjeff wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
You will find similar absurdities in the Bible. Don't blame Muslims blame all religions of the "Book"
a good idea!
[info]acidpen wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC)
with friends like these who needs enemies i say!......surely the technology available to tunnel for their oil instead of drilling for it, that would give them a surprise! if we just piped across and pinched it from right under their smelly flip flops.
[info]jezburns wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:29 am (UTC)
Looking for the axis of evil?
saud
[info]ouldbob wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)
primitive, backward and barbaric, that's Saudi Arabia.
A bunch of goat herds who got rich on oil and now try to hold the world to ransom. Their time is almost up. With new energy sources becoming cheaper and more available, and oil running out, - so long, suckers. You are just a bunch of unwashed, ignorant, bone-headed illiterates, not even fit to clean our toilets. I, for one, will cheer when you are ruined.
Is Saudi Arabia Islamic at all?
[info]superkeith wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
Why do they want to stone anyone to death? I have read (studied the Koran, it is not a novel) and in my interpretation stoning or any other violence is not an acceptable Islamic action. Certainly one can trade quotations from the Koran but the general tenor of the philosophy is non violent and while there are some quite extreme passages, they are clearly intended to apply to the times in which they were written and to use them to make violence is, in my view, a betrayal of the philosophy, regardless of whether you accept any claim regarding divine origins. In the Bible there are passages which say neighbours should be killed if they work on the Sabbath. Does this mean that today I should kill my neighbour because he works in a power station which supplies power to hospitals and traffic lights and air traffic control. Of course it doesn't because there were no power stations when that was written, there was no 48 hour week, people slogged in the fields and even slaves and animals needed a day of rest. Should Muslims stop driving cars or using oil and electricity? But why not, there were none then? The question is whether those who behave with violence are followers of Islam at all.
Re: Is Saudi Arabia Islamic at all?
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 11:23 am (UTC)

Its a law from the Old Testament.
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Insane
[info]timonsays wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
This country is already overcrowded and bursting at the seams with asylum seekers of every kind, and now it seems all you need to do to get to stay here is be a total slapper, sleep around and have a bastard child.

Marvellous.
Re: Insane
[info]mad9_man wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 12:05 pm (UTC)
brilliant! Totally agree!
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Typical Home Office
[info]jerryphilip wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 12:21 pm (UTC)
How typical of the Home Office to refuse her applicaiton in the first place. This highlights the abysmal standard of decision making in all aspects of immigration.
People are fu@#d up!
[info]jason2blake wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 12:46 pm (UTC)
I'm sure the beautiful princess Cinderella did not go through what our princess went through! She married an old rich man and was playing around with a BF in UK and got her asylum! Cinderella will not dare to dream of that!!
We definitely hate our royal government but what keeps us hanging on them is the terror of Taliban and the organize followers of Bin Laden will take over the country in seconds! They have their God to fight for while we have nothing unify us! Our government knows that and uses it!
Our princess got what she want and deserve but there are 20 other million people (exclude 5 million terrorist) are waiting for their freedom and do not know how to get it!
I can't blame UK for giving up so easy on SFO because it's us who should do something or shut our mouths for good!
Wherever people will go; religion will obey them and go with them. If Muslims stopped looking at their religion as a terror one and start thinking of it as peaceful way; it will become that!

All I'm saying is our Cinderella can rest now and pray there is no arm deal in the horizon!

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Who are we to judge others!!!
[info]schweetmate wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 01:30 pm (UTC)
The nerve of so many posters here astonishes me!!!

FACT: WOMEN IN THE UK ARE RAPED, DAILY (http://www.nationmaster.com/country/uk-united-kingdom/cri-crime) Many criminals get off lightly. Before passing judgement on others, ask a woman who has been raped what punishment she would like metered out to the criminal who raped her!!!
FACT: WE COMPENSATE AND REWARD THE CRIMINALS. FREE TV, FREE GYM, FREE MEALS ETC ETC. They go on holiday rather see or experience any form of punishment!
FACT: Sexually transmitted diseases are rising to a level unsustainable by the NHS. Knock on effect, our elderly are effected and receive substandard service even though they have served this country with they're life and limb!
FACT: Government and majority of the ministers SUPPOSEDLY so so righteous are a bunch of money grabbing thieves!
FACT: These ministers and government officials are from amongst us, they did not drop out of the sky. They are a reflection of the state of the British public!
FACT: Baby P and issues of such nature that ignite calls for tougher sentencing even DEATH penalty to be reinstated!! Why is there no public vote for the death penalty?? Obvious, many would vote for it!!
FACT: What democratic institutions are you all referring to and presenting to the world??? We back any dictator and criminal we want as long as it serves our purpose!
POINT BEING: We should keep OUR democracy to ourselves! keep our high esteemed standards and morals to ourselves! We support these criminals in Saudi and yet take the moral high ground! Where do people get off!!!!!!!!!!!

BLOODY HYPOCRITES!!!
Re: Who are we to judge others!!!
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Monday, 20 July 2009 at 01:49 pm (UTC)

Many good points there...
Re: Who are we to judge others!!! - [info]nutter2 - Tuesday, 21 July 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC) Expand
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Re: Who are we to judge others!!! - [info]abs1978 - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 02:00 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Who are we to judge others!!! - [info]joselevy - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 08:09 pm (UTC) Expand
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Re: Who are we to judge others!!! - [info]richardamullens - Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 05:44 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Who are we to judge others!!! - [info]richard_kefalos - Monday, 20 July 2009 at 10:58 pm (UTC) Expand
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