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Labour falls 17 points behind as smears scandal takes its toll

Ex-MP quits party ahead of week in which Brown pins survival hopes on Budget

By Brian Brady and Mark Leftly

Mahon: one of Labour's most rebellious MPs

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Mahon: one of Labour's most rebellious MPs

Gordon Brown was last night confronted with the damage caused by the email smears affair, as two opinion polls showed Labour slumping to at least 17 points behind the Conservatives.

As the Prime Minister prepared his attempt to pull clear of one of the most turbulent periods of his premiership, a BPIX survey for the Mail on Sunday suggested the Tory lead had stretched to 19 points. The survey put the Tories on 45 per cent, Labour on 26 per cent, and the Lib Dems on 17 per cent.

Some 33 per cent felt Mr Brown's government was sleazier than the last Tory government and a quarter of respondents believed his spin machine was dirtier than Tony Blair's.

Another survey for the Sunday Telegraph showed Labour 17 points behind the Tories, a gap that would be enough to give David Cameron a 120-seat Commons majority at a general election.

The finds come amid signs that the row over disgraced Downing Street aide Damian McBride had significantly damaged trust in the Government. Mr Brown hopes to use Wednesday's Budget as a springboard for another Labour relaunch.

The Chancellor Alistair Darling is under pressure to produce a Budget that will convince voters that Britain is on the road to recovery. Mr Darling is expected to unveil a series of initiatives to stimulate recovery in key sectors of the economy, including banking and the housing market. He is also expected to unveil £2bn package designed to put more young people back to work. But he will also signal deep cuts in public spending and public borrowing rising to £175bn over the next two years.

Treasury sources yesterday insisted that the Chancellor will produce a series of "feel-good" measures designed to ensure that the UK is well placed to take advantage of the global recovery when it eventually begins.

The attempt to portray the country's economic position in a positive light comes against the backdrop of stubbornly dismal figures for growth and other significant indicators – and the expectation that the Government will have to begin raising taxes and slashing spending to offset the enormous outlays seen in the past year.

Mr Darling will also be tasked with kick-starting Labour's political recovery from a series of blows, including revelations about Mr McBride's attempt to smear senior Tories and the fallout from ill-judged police raids on shadow Immigration minister Damian Green. But any hope of a swift recovery was hit yesterday when a bitter local party contest to select a prospective parliamentary candidate descended into acrimony – and a former Labour MP announced she was leaving the party, claiming the "smeargate" scandal was the last straw.

Alice Mahon had considered leaving the party after she quit Parliament in 2005, but remained to see if Mr Brown could make Labour "caring". She said yesterday: "I couldn't have been more wrong."

Labour chiefs suspended attempts to select a new candidate in the hotly contested constituency of Erith and Thamesmead after they discovered ripped-up postal votes inside a ballot box in a cupboard at their own headquarters. Supporters of rival candidates yesterday claimed the move suggested someone was trying to "sabotage" the process of finding a successor to sitting MP John Austin.

A spokesman for the London Labour Party said the hustings planned for yesterday had been called off, and officials had begun investigating the alleged tampering.

The contest in the south-east London constituency exploded into controversy earlier this year when the central party stepped in to take control of the process from local officials. The move sparked complaints that "outside" candidates were being favoured over locals, with hostility being directed at Georgia Gould, the 22-year-old daughter of Lord Gould, Tony Blair's trusted pollster.

Mr Austin last week complained that Blairite minister Tessa Jowell had visited his constituency to speak on Ms Gould's behalf, without informing him.

In an email to supporters shortly after the corrupted ballot box was discovered, on Friday evening, Ms Gould said: "The ballot box where the returned postal votes were being stored was forcibly broken into. The seal on the ballot box was broken and returned postal votes from members were ripped up. Can you believe it – the ballot papers being ripped up? It seems so violent. Who would do such a thing? We cannot allow such people to use underhand techniques to disrupt our democracy and tread all over members' wishes."

Mrs Mahon, 71, was one of the most rebellious MPs in the House of Commons during an 18-year career representing Halifax. She complained that Labour had broken many promises made in its 2005 election manifesto.

"It is not a party I recognise. I have lost faith with it," she said. "I am very, very sad: the Labour Party has been my life. I have reached the conclusion that there is not any avenue left in the structure of the Labour Party for people like me. Any threat from anybody marginally from the left and... the party machine comes down on them like a ton of bricks."

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Democracy? Where?
[info]ed_fender wrote:
Saturday, 18 April 2009 at 11:27 pm (UTC)
"It seems so violent. Who would do such a thing?"

The Labour Party.
Falls 17 points behind?
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Saturday, 18 April 2009 at 11:31 pm (UTC)
Shouldn't that be rises to 17 points behind? I thought the difference was much more... Who are the hidden 26% who still like the Labour party? Its like a German poll showing the Nazi Party making a comeback...
Re: Falls 17 points behind?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:18 am (UTC)
oh bravo- well said that man
Who are the 26%
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Saturday, 18 April 2009 at 11:58 pm (UTC)
I find it truly staggering that there is still 26% support for Labour.Who are these people? Just how bad has it got to get before they withdraw their support. We even have Alice Mahon saying she cannot any longer support a party to which she has been a member for 50 years and an MP for 18 years.
Re: Who are the 26%
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 05:11 am (UTC)
prehaps the 26% are also the mindless idiots who attend Climate Camps and goad police into stopping them from disrupting the country
Ex-MP quits party ahead of week in which Brown pins survival hopes on Budget
[info]revelstoke wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 12:38 am (UTC)
Good on her.
"Mrs Mahon, 71, was one of the most rebellious MPs in the House of Commons during an 18-year career representing Halifax. She complained that Labour had broken many promises made in its 2005 election manifesto."
Shouldn't it be the other way round-New Labour were rebellious not her,as she says they have broken many promises.
New Labour - New Lows
[info]alfalan wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 01:01 am (UTC)
Mrs Mahon is Old Labour. New Labour have no time for respectable decent politicians. Sadly they will take little notice of her resignation. However, I hope the decent members of the Labour party do and reflect that if a woman of her eminence is saying something is badly wrong with the party, then there certainly is. They should bear this in mind in the forthcoming EU elections and in the general election. There are other parties to vote for.

The article also brings to mind that, in local and general elections, postal voting has figured in several fraud cases over the past few years. I seem to remember a Judge remarking in one case that the system resembled a banana republic.
I hope the authorities are going to maintain a high level of supervision in the forthcoming EU election, and if Brown ever allows us one, the general election.
Islamisation and immigration - a New Labour Initiative
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 01:01 am (UTC)
Forget the massive incompetence implicit within New Labour's management of the economy and the incessant spin, their smears and their arrogance. On just one matter alone they should be damned and sent into opposition. They have allowed massive immigration into the country and have been driving force behind the aggressive Islamisation of the UK. Their policies in these matters has changed the very fabric of England. They have changed who we are as a nation. Even now, they are now looking for ways to legislate against free speech by preventing legitimate criticism of Religion - yes, who would have thought THAT in the 21st century! This time, this next election, they will have to PAY for what they have done to my country. Let's ALL make them pay.
Re: Islamisation and immigration - a New Labour Initiative
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 10:18 am (UTC)
oh dear,,,I thought you BNP types had gone on your Easter holidays.
Re: Islamisation and immigration - a New Labour Initiative
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)
Gone are the days, my friend, when people like you are able to dismiss legitimate concerns raised by people by making simple little dismissive comments. Comments exactly like the one you have made. I am not a member of the BNP. I detest racism. This is nothing to do with racism and everything to do with unfettered immigration into the UK. It is everything to do with immigrants getting housing whe British people have been waiting years for it. It is about allowing unlimited numbers of people into the UK that cannot even speak English (and therefore support themselves). It is about letting anyone in - no matter how ill they are or how bad they are. This is nothing to do with race and everything to do with fairness.

The Australian immigration department, for example, has strict criteria who can immigrate to Australia:

i) Immigrants have to be within a narrowly-defined age range so not to be a burden on the Australian people (the UK let's anyone in - no age limit)
ii) Immigrants have to have a strict medical so they are not a burden financially (the UK has no medical test for immigrants. Not even an HIV test. The consequence of this is a massively overstretched NHS (you see it's not rocket science - it is just common sense!).
iii) Immigrants have to have skills that Australia needs (again anyone is welcome in the UK - no matter how stupid)
iv) Immigrants have to have qualifications.
v) ALL immigrants have to prove that they do not have a criminal record. Contrast this with the UK who do not check the records of people entering the country - hence we have recently had to jail two Romanians criminals who decided to rape young women! They had extensive criminal records in Romania.
vi) Australia DEPORTS ALL illegal immigrants - no matter how long they have been here before they are caught (one case recently people had been there 15 years before they were caught and kicked out)
vii) Australia deports immigrants who commit criminal offences - often even if they are relatively minor (THE UK cannot even be bothered to deport FAILED asylum-seekers.

So your one line dismissive comment may have worked 5 or 10 years ago but not now. People are wising up to the games that trendy lefties play. Especially when our national security and identity as a nation is at stake! People are sick and tired of unfettered immigration - and they are going to make the Labour Party pay for it at the next general election.

Re: Islamisation and immigration - a New Labour Initiative
[info]southlondon95 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC)
tominlondon is right
what you are saying is both ignorant and offensive
the australian immigration system developed under the fascist michael howard is notorious for its awful treatment of refugees and asylum seekers. how it upsets and annoys me to hear this ignorant rubbish spouted again and again by people who have no understanding of the situation, this countries economy could not have survived in the good times without immigration and would still not survive today without immigrants who do jobs that british people are unwilling to do. there is always the misguided idea that immigrants come to the uk to 'sponge off' the British government and people. immigrants come to this country to work hard to get a better life for their family. new labour will lose the next election, not because of this, but because of their betrayal of all that labour should stand for and their trampling over civil liberties and democracy, and they deserve to do so.
Re: Islamisation and immigration - a New Labour Initiative
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 10:01 pm (UTC)
"the australian immigration system developed under the fascist michael howard is notorious for its awful treatment of refugees and asylum seekers"

This one sentence completely betrays your ignorance of this matter. Australia's immigration policy was developed over many years of CAREFUL CONSIDERATION to develop a policy that benefitted all AUSTRALIANS. By the way AUSTRALIA has EXACTLY the same policy as NEW ZEALAND AND CANADA or are you calling those countries racist too? Australia's immigration policy is completely blind to race, ethnicity or country where the applicant comes from. ALL that matters is the QUALITY (yes QUALITY!) of the applicant and the needs of Australia. How different this is from England - as I pointed out previously. So it is YOU that have no understanding of the situation.

Oh, I forgot to mention something else that Australia does. It provides jobs to labourers from other countries (fruit picking etc.). That helps Australia in areas where labour is in short supply. I think this is generous as people from poor countries are given jobs. After these labourers have finished their contracts under which they were employed they are then sent back to their home country. The do not have automatic right to residence. So immigrants come to the UK work hard - then when they are no longer needed and if they are not skilled they should be sent back to their country of origin. There is nothing racist about that. It is just common sense and sound immigration policy. I note that the UK cannot even estimate the numbers of illegal immigrants within its borders to the nearest 500,000. This is a shocking inditement - the Labour Party has lost control of our borders and they know it and have done nothing about it.

The consequence of unfettered immigration to the UK is for all to see. And no amount of sanctimonious self-flagellation by people like you is going to change that. So be as "offended" as you like - the British people are sick and tired of Labour's betrayal though a lax immigration policy. I nte that the UK dies not evn bother to repatriate FAILED (YES FAILED) asylum-seekers. Who do you think pays for them and houses them? Recent Government figures hint at the consequences of this - how many failed asylum-seekers commit serious crimes and still they are not deported. Shocking, really shocking.

Australia's record towards asylum-seekers has been exemplary. Only this week it has provided FREE and extensive medical treatment to many illegal refugees after they doused themselves and their boat in petrol to avoid being sent back. SO get your facts right before getting offended and accusing other people ignorance.
Re: Islamisation and immigration - a New Labour Initiative
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC)
we could not be THAT lucky:)
just wait....
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 01:31 am (UTC)
... till the Ed Balls sh1t hits the fan and then...... double it?
the curse of Magna Carta....................
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 01:33 am (UTC)
.......................... strikes again and again
Real Gould Real Labour
[info]johnronan wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 02:05 am (UTC)
15 years ago failed leadership contender Bryan Gould saw the writing on the wall.
New Labour sponsered by the old right US interests hi-jackedthe only organisation to further therights of the British working class.

While some wavered the SDP faction of middle England found its saviour in Blair the closet Catholic and Butcher of Basra.

Congratulations to Alice Mahon who has at las t recognised the shallowness of NEW "improved Labour.

It has betrayed the interests of the poor the developing world and even Murdoch who will turn right.

New Laobour has condemned the 21st century to the once almost unelectable Toryism.
At the same endangering servicemen worldwide for Americas needs .Finally robbing the pensions and savings of those who elected it.Good riddance to failed New Labour its spin doctors and Lord Mandelson,oh sorry they didn't abolish the Lords on rural sports.
lack of democracy down to third world banana republic
[info]robertclifton wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 03:40 am (UTC)
Interfering with ballot boxes - smearing dissenters - encouraging whistleblowing unless it is against the government - all these are the marks of a banana republic at first world prices - and the Police? Killing an innocent man of the Tube and no-one brought to trial for Judge and Jury to decide - brutality and death at protests - there is no democracy her or even a properly representative parliamentary system - this Blair/Brown government has effectively become a rotten dictatorship with monstrous inefficiency in running our affairs - the whole smacks of Mugabe - to hell with the country and its people - just so long as I remain in office with all the money and power trappings - and Damian Green - another dissenter persecuted in the actual House of Commons with the wink of the ghastly Speaker - all this leads to revolution - it seems that such a step is the only way of getting rid of these ghastly useless people - I hear TUMBRIL wheels - bring them on!
"Labour" In Name Only
[info]dravazed wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 04:09 am (UTC)
How did it happen that the UK ceased to have a major, left-wing political party? How did opportunism, lying, and hypocrisy come to utterly corrupt the "Labour" Party?

It seems to me that these are the questions to be asking.
the 26%
[info]oakham wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 05:49 am (UTC)
Come on now it is patently obvious who they are. This are the freeloaders: those in "nothing" jobs paid for by the State and those whose innate cunning allows them to milk us of our taxes and live a drug, drink and procreation fueled life of idleness. They know which side their bread is buttered.
Watch how in desperation they try to get "grateful" immigrants on the voting lists and even now they are working how to corrupt the postal voting scheme to their advantage. Guido Fawkes where are you!
Be Afraid
[info]49niner wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC)
I put little store in opinion polls so far out from a general election except as an indication of a general trend. The fact that the present government is in trouble because of the recession and a series of cock-ups is stating the obvious.

What really scares me is that we face have the present gang of tossers with the successors of the tossers whom we kicked out in 1997. And it's obvious to me they've changed very little since then, for all Cameron's charm offensive. Give it a couple of years if they win the election, and we'll see similar comments about them to the ones currently vilifying New Labour.

We desperately need a political alternative that puts behind it the failed policies of the past 30 years. We thought we had that in 1997 but we got Blair and Brown, two Tories sporting a red rose. In 2010 we'll likely get the real thing back. Talk about piling disaster on disaster.

We need to be afraid - very afraid. Perhaps it's time to take a one-way ticket out of here. Britain is not goingto be a very pleasent place to live for the foreseeable future.
Re: Be Afraid
[info]bowesy wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 06:40 am (UTC)
Brown a tory? I know you are upset but think before you write he has lied and spent - very old labour.

What amazes me with you lot this that you thought Blair would be any good at all - if you believed the hype more the mug you. It was show biz Americana politics all the way - and has been since, although lets face it Brown is not quite the same chameleon that Blair was.

What the UK needs is to get rid of this lot know - and the electorate needs to be more challenging in future. What has happened in the Brown years is that the electorate just ignored the warnings and accepted that house prices would rise for ever, and got lazy.

A more involved electorate will hopefully secure more sensible policy, and this country needs that.

Sadly though I have to agree on the one way ticket - England will be a crap place to live for a while now.

Re: Be Afraid
[info]timurlenk1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
Doesn't 49niner realise he's just parroting Brownite spin ?
There was a time not too long ago, when Labour were the party of education for all, defence of the less well-off and liberal and internationalist foreign policy. The Tories were the party of sound finances and business. In it's wisdom, the electorate voted for whatever seemed the priority. Despite the usual bad eggs, politics was conducted with honour and cooperation by concerned MPs across the benches.
It was New Labour which brought in the "new culture" of relentless lying and "triangulation" (saying whatever they judged the electorate wanted to hear.
There is no equivalence, a Tory government would come in with a clean slate and would be judged on their performance, l(or would you want to lump the Blair-Brown disaster in with the Atlee government and say they are the same ? They aren't !!) Let's hope that the current mess will ensure that "low politics" is purged from government, at least for a while.
Another five years of Brown would terminally degrade this country, it doesn't bear thinking about. Traditional Labour people who care, want root and branch reform of the party and an end to the vice-like grip of the Oxbridge/Edinburgh educated carpet-baggers.
Re: Be Afraid
[info]49niner wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 06:36 pm (UTC)
I have no brief for New Labour. I have not and will not vote for them any more than I'll be voting for the Tories. They are Tweedledum and Tweedledee as far as I'm concerned. New Labour are hypocrites. With the Tories they're still the mean, nasty incompetent bastards they always were. Be afraid if either of these two get in.

My vote will go elsewhere as it always does.
Let the...
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 06:27 am (UTC)
Treasury do the maths and you will plainly see Gordon & Co are thirty Four points ahead!!
Labour Demise
[info]cab1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 07:11 am (UTC)
Labour is rotten to the core. After 35 years of voting only Labour I will never vote for them again. Labour disgusts me. It is a squalid political party.
Unveil a series of initiatives...Salome II
[info]elevengoalposts wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
McLabour must have purchased a job lot of veils to cover all the initiatives they have announced in the McBroon era. Seems that most of the initiatives must have then been stored away along with Indiana Jones' Ark.
I bet that McBroon's school reports must have had comments like "though he always claims to be fizzing with ideas, he really must learn to finish off his homework". Also, I wonder if he ever really completed his PhD thesis or whether he "became incandescent with rage" when questioned about the content and details. So he just promised what he was going to include, at a future date, then reannounced it several times, double-counting each time. Unconfirmed rumour (via intercepted emails) has it they gave up and awarded him one anyway to stop his smears, threats, bullying and bluster. After all, with a towering intelligence like his, and the earlier difficulties he faced, he deserves one anyway, surely?
Limping On, ..and on, ...and on, and...
[info]neil639 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 08:00 am (UTC)
We have a Government led by a very unpleasant buffoon, who is surrounded by a lot more very unpleasant people, and which is despised by over 70 per cent of the people of the UK. Yet Brown limps on from crisis to crisis, with no sense of direction. After each crisis Brown tries yet another relaunch, which we all know beforehand will fail. Sadly, all we will get in 12 months time is a dose of nasty Tories (to replace Nasty Labour). Yet both Tory and Labour Governments only have the support of a third of the electorate at the most - the so-called majority of 120 will actually mean less than a third of the electorate. No wonder the politicians are trying desperately to stifle dissent. They know the electorate want change, but they don't want to give any change whatsoever - after all it would spoil their gravy train, and weaken their absolute power.
It means shit nothing who is at no 10!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 08:19 am (UTC)
Labour/Lavatories = cancer/plague. This is the only choice white blue eyed English people have to have!
Re: It means shit nothing who is at no 10!
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 10:25 am (UTC)
er, "white blue eyed drunk English people". Get it right.
Re: It means shit nothing who is at no 10!
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
NOW we get who you are! TOMinlondon. Yeah right.
Re: It means shit nothing who is at no 10!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:47 am (UTC)
.... And also Hooligans who just judge people by their looks i.e like that dog Simon Cowell who gave such a dirty look at Suzan Boyle in the X factor who turn up to have a voice a billion times better than a blonde bimbo that English people love blonde blue eyed people like themselves. How fucking boring English people are and so fucking selfish and are obssessed with fucking colour! I thought opposite attracts but English people just love people who have exactly the same pale colour as them. How fucking boring that is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: It means shit nothing who is at no 10!
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 12:15 pm (UTC)
Racist!!
Re: It means shit nothing who is at no 10!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 06:18 pm (UTC)
Who are the usual racists?!
Gordon all Spin, always has been
[info]tonyexeter wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
Only 33 % of people think labour is sleazierr than the Tories. Only 25 % of people think Gordon Brown is more spin than Tony Blair. All I can say for the rest is how much more evidence do you need before you will accept the blindingly obvious.
Failed Democracy ?
[info]brossen99 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 09:33 am (UTC)
Gordon Brown preaches fiscal stimulus, but he has just put another almost 3p a litre on road fuel, in addition to that put on to compensate for a cut in VAT last December. Despite the rhetoric, this must indicate an overall tax increase despite the alleged VAT cut, and fuel costs all add to inflation for 90% of the " economically active ". All this reduces our global competitiveness, it looks like transport costs finally got Verison a car part company with one " main " plant in Northern Ireland, transport costs probably killed Woolworths over Christmas. Transporting bulky goods is not that fuel efficient per ton, large vans mean that you are dragging the wind around all day.

Its all part of a " Corporate Nazi " ideology where large corporations lobby government to make everything as inefficient ( difficult ) and expensive as possible, especially for people living in rural areas. A key part of the " Corporate Nazi " plan is the systematic dismantling of our welfare state whilst at the same time providing a virtual welfare state for the Banks and their stock market parasites, increasing the divide between rich and poor.

Not much hope from the Tories either, they have just brought Ken Clarke back onto their front bench in a senior position. Those with a good memory will recall that when chancellor,he was the original architect of the Road Fuel Tax Escalator, likewise raising the duty on diesel to make it more expensive than petrol. Unfortunately the Tories have not ruled out increases in " green " taxes if they as expected win the next general election.

The Lib-Dumbocrats are the puppets of the eco-fascists and will definitely massively increase road fuel taxes on the strength that they will cut the basic rate of income tax by 4p. However that's not much use to you if you are currently struggling to run your car in order to get to work on near minimum wage. I believe that the Association of British Drivers once calculated that current fuel duty is the equivalent of 10p on the basic rate of tax for anyone earning minimum wage on an average commute.

It looks as though mainstream party alleged democracy has failed the people of our country. Government policy is no longer dictated by the people but by the fraudulent Bankers and their stock market parasites. High road fuel tax is a tool they use to close down our manufacturing industry, the bankers look on it that its more profitable for them to sit in an office and change money on the resultant extra imports.

The only party offering cuts in road fuel duty is the BNP, but they have no real prospect of ever becoming an influence on government. However they do stand a fair chance of winning several seats at the coming EU elections under PR, in which everyone gets at least some influence on the outcome. Its not as if MEP's have a huge influence over UK government policy but voting BNP at the EU elections could teach the mainstream parties a valuable lesson. ID cards, Bin Tax, Toll Roads, Average Speed Cameras and other potential infringements of personal freedom have not gone away despite the theoretical temporary suspension or none take up of policy by local authorities. If you don't like the members you get you can always throw them out at the next election.

Voting for the BNP is the one thing the mainstream politicians fear the most because its a direct attack on their Corporate Nazi quasi-religion. Voting BNP is the nuclear option as far as protest voting is concerned, if you are eurosceptic anyway, forget UKIP, they have been shown proven to be just as institutionally corrupt as the other alleged " safe " politicians.

Re: Failed Democracy ?
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 10:28 am (UTC)
NEw Labour think they can get votes by trying to make people worry about the BNP - the only party that is further to the right than themselves.
Re: Failed Democracy ?
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
True, Labour have so far proven that they are much worse than the BNP especially with their foreign policy and civil liberties by the way they treat minorities like Muslims!
The democracy where you are forced to vote with only pencils has to be dogdy!
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
When I recently voted in the regional elections, I asked a couple of assistants around the ballot box if I could vote with a pen because a pencil can be rubbed off later. They told me have to vote with only pencils, they smiled with embarrassment and put their heads down.
This is democracy Rule Britannia style!
Re: The democracy where you are forced to vote with only pencils has to be dogdy!
[info]richardm30 wrote:
Monday, 20 April 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
Strange - I thought you said that you did not live in the UK! Dear me, does this mean that you have been lying? As I said - off to Afghanistan you should go you hypocrite.
This Brownite Cabal
[info]macleod75 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
Just when it seems that it can get no worse, it just gets worse and worse worse. No mean feat that, given what has gone before, emerging in almost daily installments, pointless listing them all as we all know the woeful score, if the ones in Downing Street don't. This is what happens to out of touch regimes that hold the voters in absolute contempt and disdain, as this rat-pack cleary do.
Whilst all this grubby subterranean in-fighting is going on, the Labour Party is being destroyed day by day. Already, this ship of fools is holed below the waterline, and will be blown out of the water,come the next general election, which of course will be held at the last possible moment. Then the pent up fury at the betrayal and treachery will be unleashed, and it will not be a pretty sight.
All that seems to matter now in the Downing Street Bunker is saving their skins, and to hell with the country. Incidently, speaking of sinking ships, Lord Mandelson is a rare example of some one Joining one!
Labour Supporter
[info]abcabcabc1 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 12:24 pm (UTC)

Do you really think if the Tories get in it will be better? I do think it was sleazier when the Tories were in power, ie Hamilitons. Perhaps the reason why 26 per cent are going to vote Labour is that they dont want Tory to elected with a landslide which would be a bad thing but I would concede that a hung parliament would be ideal
Labour supporter
[info]macleod75 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 03:17 pm (UTC)
abcabcabc1 wants to know if the Tories would be any better in office. Unfortunately, it won't be too long before we find out, thanks to Mr. Brown and the rest of the semi-political pustules in the Downing Street bunker. I have been a labour supporter all my life, and it gives me no pleasure at all to have to say that it is inconceivable for me to ever vote for a party such as this. Same applies to my children, they feel totally alienated by this betrayal of everything the Labour Party are supposed to be.
As I say, whether the Tories would be worse, who knows, but they would have to go some to come anywhere near the shower now in situ.
Labour supporter
[info]macleod75 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
abcabcabc1 wants to know if the Tories would be any better in office. Unfortunately, it won't be too long before we find out, thanks to Mr. Brown and the rest of the semi-political pustules in the Downing Street bunker. I have been a labour supporter all my life, and it gives me no pleasure at all to have to say that it is inconceivable for me to ever vote for a party such as this. Same applies to my children, they feel totally alienated by this betrayal of everything the Labour Party are supposed to be.
As I say, whether the Tories would be worse, who knows, but they would have to go some to come anywhere near the shower now in situ.
Alice Mahon
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 04:53 pm (UTC)
Alice is 71 years old--she must want to retire anyway. The illegal war on Iraq should have convinced her of the iniquities of her new party. The lies of "Bliar" should have convinced her long ago. Margaret Beckett's dissolution of Parliament in 2006, at the outbreak of the Israeli war on Lebanon should have convinced her of New Labour's fall from ethical politics. What was her outcry against the Gaza massacre? Did this not have a mention? There is nothing new in this New Labour fraud--it is a party hijacked from its original ideology by charlatans, who knew they could not win it by any other means. Blair proclaimed himself a pragmatist--another way of saying "the end justifies the means". Alice must have been blind, not to have seen this malevolent transformation much earlier--or does she hear the curtain falling on this grubby quarter of Parliament?
the upcoming buudget
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 05:20 pm (UTC)
the citizen looks forward to the next Darling budget with the sort of enthusiasm that the fatted calf normally reserves for the prodigal son
Let's save Not So Great Britain Anymore.
[info]billylad wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 08:49 pm (UTC)
I share the disgust that around 26% still say they support ZanuLiabour. Most of these must be simple-minded civil servants more interested in their gold-plated pensions, paid for in part by the THEFT of pensions from the private sector. Mine has been ruined by McDoom. What seriously worries me for the future is the votes of the politically correct tossers in the civil service coming together with all the benefit scroungers to help our unelected dictator hang on in certain constituencies.
Sleaze sleaze sleaze
[info]jollytall wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC)
This government's sleazier than sleaze and probably the sleaziest ever...
as the slide goes on
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Sunday, 19 April 2009 at 11:21 pm (UTC)
public support is like brakes that stop the juggernaut of government running downhill into a ditch. Once the brakes slip and the slide starts it gains a momentum of its own- see Major's decline and fall;
as soon as it becomes apparent to the mob on the truck they start jumping off and blaming the driver for leaving the handbrake off; from there on in the process becomes self perpetuating and the crash is inevitable

Ever since Gollum brought the curse of Magna Carta on his head he was doomed.
The budget will herald the beginning of the slide and then it's game set and match to the Tories- like it or not

seat -anxious MPs will rebel and despair will loom; then the whole cabinet will get hand-to-glum -face disease and it's goodbye baby and amen; bit like a Shakespearian tragedy really- we know it will end in tears, but I shall laugh like a drain and rejoice that justice has been done and Magna Carta revenged and so will every judge and criminal barrister in the land; goodbye Gollum; god it was boring having you around

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