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Measuring Labour's Glasgow triumph

By Chris Mead, Press Association

Labour's triumph came over as the clear message from Glasgow North East despite the problems of measuring it.

The new constituency was created under boundary changes in 2005 since when its only MP has been Michael Martin who ran as the Speaker - not a party candidate - in the last election with no Labour, Tory or Liberal Democrat runners.

This means no exact swing comparisons can be made.

In fact 4,036 people backed the Socialist Labour Party runner in 2005 - presumably because most of them were searching for Labour's name on the ballot paper.

In yesterday's by-election the SLP got just 47 votes.

Some guidance can be offered by last June's European Parliament voting in the constituency.

Labour then had a 16.3 per cent lead over SNP which has now jumped to 39.4 per cent - a swing of 11.5 per cent.

This does not take the party all the way back to 2005 General Election support but probably close to what it achieved at last year's Glenrothes contest when there was a switch of less than 5 per cent to the nationalists since 2005.

If repeated at the General Election it would give the SNP just one extra Westminster seat - at Ochil and Perthshire South.

But past by-elections suggest there could not be any guarantee of even that.

David Kerr, Glasgow North East's SNP candidate, stood at the December 2000 Falkirk West by-election when he missed a gain by only 705 votes on a huge swing.

In the General Election six months later the party ended up losing a Westminster seat at Galloway and Upper Nithsdale.

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It says alot.
[info]sameth99200 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 09:13 am (UTC)
It says a lot about Labours position, they manage to hold onto one of their safest seats in the country and its hailed as a 'triumph'.
Re: Measuring Labour's Glasgow triumph
[info]rendevou5 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 10:33 am (UTC)
The "triumph" can best be measured against the fact that, by their own admission, the residents of Glasgow North East would be unable toi vote for any other candidate than the (New) Labour candidate - even if he came equipped with hons and a tail.

No worthwhile conclusions can be drawn from such a mindless election result without the unreasonable assumption that every voter in the country must be equally stupid.
Nulabs 'trimph'
[info]ripsnorter757 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 11:04 am (UTC)
If you pinned a red rosette on the ar*e of a donkey the tw*ts in Glasgow NE would vote for it. Which is why they always end up with donkeys representing them and their depressed lives are as they are.
So who the hell cares?
an equivalent
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 11:58 am (UTC)
you might as well say Tories triumphant as they hold onto Devizes, Wiltshire; but let's not be churlish about Zanulabour holding onto a cast -iron seat; but fear not, they do not have a hope in hell of being returned in June
Re: an equivalent
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 12:17 pm (UTC)
As always Mr. Hawk you are right and probably the best thing is that it should ensure that Brown is still in position for the next election, assuming Mandleson doesn't declare a national emergency and tries to put off the election for another five year, in the country's (Labours) best interests.
Re: an equivalent
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 12:54 pm (UTC)
now that (the state of emergency) would be a test of all our metal; let's hope that the Queen says no and sets the army on them; but I don't think they'd dare- it would take another false flag operation to achieve that
Turnout
[info]tlr_tom wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 12:27 pm (UTC)
None of the articles in this paper and others seem to mention that only 33% of the electorate voted! So yes, it was truly a triumph for Liebour, but not for democracy.
Re: Turnout
[info]zugzwang42 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 12:47 pm (UTC)


Indeed, the only here was apathy, for that, Labour should be ashamed, and should not be smirking, or crowing. Not much danger of that is there ?
Re: Turnout
[info]zugzwang42 wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 12:52 pm (UTC)


The only winner here was apathy. Thought I should correct that omission...
Triumph? What triumph?
[info]john_b_ellis wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 01:35 pm (UTC)
"Labour's triumph came over as the clear message from Glasgow North East ..."

Triumph? 59% of the vote stops sounding anything like a triumph once you take into account the 33% turn-out.

Indeed, even the 33% turn-out's probably an understatement of the full reality. Glasgow North-East is the sort of constitituency where a larger than average number of citizens will have dropped completely beneath the radar by not having registered to vote at all. So it's quite possible that only three out of every ten people theoretically qualified to vote did so. And they're likely to be the old tribal voters, who turn out like they always do.

The real winner, therefore is the "sod-the-lot-of-'em party", and posters in here who argue for expressing total contempt for the whole process by not voting at all can claim a sort of success.

But what does it amount to? Already Mr Murphy's proclaiming this derisory result as an endorsement of Gordon Brown's leadership. The truth is that all they care about is winning. Oh, they'll parrot regrets about the low poll and there'll be calls for the need to "re-engage" - how could they do anything else? - but that fact is that they're in, and they're in just the same how ever small the turn-out.

Not voting just lets the slugs crawl over the decaying matter once again, and the cockroaches infest the cracks just as before.

As last night showed.
Statism at it best
[info]blu_rogers wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 03:28 pm (UTC)
This result says nothing positive about Brown will perform in the GE.

In fact, if I was Brown I would find it disturbing that only 33% came out to vote for their pay master.

Perhaps, polling stations in benefits offices would have resulted in more votes ;-)
Should be declared void
[info]bob_idle wrote:
Friday, 13 November 2009 at 04:12 pm (UTC)
Really elections with such low turnouts should be declared void, and re-run.

The best angle on this story could be asking the people who didn't vote (the vast majority of the population in the constituency) why they didn't vote. There were plenty of choices available - far more than we get here. We always have just the 3 main parties to choose from.

Its interesting that the SNP isn't so popular in this area. Why is that? Is it seen as too right-wing in its policies? Another surprise is that the BNP did reasonable well. Is that due to the unionist vote?

So much for Caring Conservatism and the Conservative's pledge to help the poor by "franchising out key public services to social entrepreneurs" a promise that didn't appeal to poor Glaswegians. Or maybe they just don't understand what it means. I'm not sure either.

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