Only a 'grave threat' would trigger 42-day detention, say ministers
Wednesday, 4 June 2008
Stephen Hird/Reuters
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith defused a rebellion against the Counter- Terrorism Bill
New powers to hold terror suspects for up to 42 days without charge would be triggered only by a "grave and exceptional" threat akin to the 7 July bombings in London, ministers said yesterday as they moved to defuse a potentially devastating revolt by Labour MPs.
Publishing 46 amendments to the Counter-Terrorism Bill, ministers insisted the raft of concessions would ensure that the contentious powers were used only in the most extreme circumstances and would strengthen the right of MPs to veto the emergency measures.
But although Labour rebels appeared to have been won over, opposition parties accused ministers of attempting to deceive Parliament, while civil liberties groups dismissed the amendments as "a con".
Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, was scrambling last night to placate backbenchers who threatened to inflict a humiliating defeat on Gordon Brown over the proposals.
Amendments formally laid yesterday mean the Home Secretary would have to be satisfied that Britain faced a "grave and exceptional terrorist threat" before extending the current 28-day limit on detention without charge. They spell out that there must be a threat of a serious loss of human life, serious damage to human welfare or serious damage to national security before the 42-day limit could be imposed.
Downing Street and the Home Office said it would require a crisis similar to the 7/7 bombings in 2005, when 52 commuters died, before the power could be used. Other concessions include new guarantees that Parliament will have a vote on any extension of detention powers within seven days of them being triggered. The police would also only be able to apply for the emergency powers for 30 days, rather than 60. The chairmen of three powerful parliamentary committees would also have to be given classified briefings on the reasons behind the moves.
Yesterday, some influential figures on the Labour backbenches swung behind the Bill. Labour left-wingers conceded the number of hard-core rebels was down to between 25 and 30 MPs.
Ms Smith appears to have taken some of the heat out of the backbench rebellion after winning praise for her conciliatory speech at Monday's meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party. One MP said: "She gave a very sober and assured speech. You could sense the respect growing for her. She treated us like grown-ups and didn't try to give us any old blarney."
Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons home affairs committee, pledged his backing for the Bill. He said: "The involvement of Parliament at an earlier stage, the clarification of an extraordinary circumstance and the involvement of the judiciary along with measures announced today to work with ethnic minority communities preventively, have ensured that the 42-day detention period will not encroach on our civil liberties."
But David Davis, the shadow Home Secretary, said: "These amendments are a deception. The Home Secretary's power to extend the period of detention without charge to 42 days remains as wide as before... These amendments are a politically driven attempt to deceive Parliament."
The four key concessions
* The Home Secretary would have to be satisfied that a "grave, exceptional terrorist threat" existed before authorising an extension to the current 28-day limit on detention without charge. Ministers insist that this means the power would be triggered only in the most extreme circumstances. But critics say the definition is still too widely drawn.
* Parliament gets an earlier chance to debate the emergency powers, with a vote on the issue guaranteed after seven days rather than the 30 originally planned. Parliament would be recalled if necessary. But critics say MPs would have to take the Government's word on trust and would be deprived of much of the relevant information for legal reasons.
* Powers to hold terror suspects for up to 42 days could be applied for only by police over a 30-day, rather than a 60-day, period, stressing the emergency, short-term nature of the measure. But critics say it does not alter the principle.
* Three powerful committee chairmen – the heads of the home affairs, human rights and intelligence and security committees – would be briefed on the reasons for the move. But critics point out that they would not have a veto.
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The way to deal with 'terrorism' is to stop pandering to it and to stop the demonetisation of Muslims. The government should refuse to co-operate with the US and the 'war on terror (read war on Islam). The government should press for the TRUTH about 9/11. The evidence that 'all is not as it should be' is overwhelming. The public should ask just what we are actually doing in Afghanistan and Iraq. The public should question the motive behind terrorist incidents (such as Glasgow airport) and ask ... what was the motive for this and consider the possibility that the true motive (and even the identity of the mastermind) could be other than we are led to believe. The public should also question our blind support for Israel ... in a post WWII world support for a Jewish homeland was a good thing ... however, at what cost? A 'Muslim' holocaust?? The Palestinian people deserve a homeland as much as the Jews. Arabs and Jews are NOT traditional enemies ....
Posted by Mark Wilson | 04.06.08, 18:53 GMT
Only a 'grave threat' would trigger 42-day detention, say ministers.
Or until an old codger heckles at a Labour party conference.
Posted by Kev | 04.06.08, 18:46 GMT
"Those that would give up their liberties for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security"
Neo-Labour have lost my vote forever if they go through with this heinous piece of Orwellian legislation.
Posted by Dean Cavanagh | 04.06.08, 17:49 GMT
as i understand it the bill abolishes habeus corpus- which, along with trial by jury is one of the last of our ancient rights that nulabourhave left to usbut they'll have the rest if we don't watch out
Posted by peter | 04.06.08, 13:15 GMT
Forgive my naivety but I thought this ill judged measure was being introduced to prevent serious threats not react to them once they happen. The government are claiming that this is needed to prevent attacks not to round up the suspects once an atrocity has occurred. This safeguard is specious and a 'blind' to give Labour MPs some way of squirming out of opposing it without losing too much face.
Posted by Mark Purves | 04.06.08, 12:35 GMT
42 Days is nothing short of internment without trial. We would all do well to remember that Internment in Northern Ireland was one of the greatest recruiting sergeants for the IRA. That, together with many ill considered and headline-grabbing ideas led directly to thirty years of war and misery for thousands in Ireland and Britain . As Ronald Regan said to Jimmy Carter in the 1980 presidential campaign debate "There you go again" The Iraq War, Forrest Gate and now 42 day detention. How do you expect the Muslim community to react? Jacqui Smith, in the words of Oliver Cromwell "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. ..."
Posted by Derek Murphy | 04.06.08, 11:46 GMT
Brown is interested only wrong-footing the opposition. If he genuinely wanted to protect the UK from attack he would withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and suppport freedom for Palestine.
Posted by Stephen Williams | 04.06.08, 11:43 GMT
only a grave threat????
this is a load of rubbish and we all know once this bill is passed it will be there for ever and will apply to all of us whether for terrorism acts or a trivial offense such as littering.we are giving this government too much power to control us and all this is the start of a truly totalitarian state.the freedom and the liberty we enjoy now was not achieved easily by our grandfathers so lets not give it up easily to a bunch of corrupt self centered money sucking politicians who see nothing but the interests of their own and their masters.
Posted by ebbi britt | 04.06.08, 11:31 GMT
Whatever happened to Magna Carta and habeas corpus? This legislation should be fought tooth and nail by all who value civil liberties. Already the 28 day detention limit is being abused by the police who deliberately draw out the detention period in the hope that suspects will crack. Innocent people are being held for weeks without charge or access to lawyers. Friends and family of suspects are also rounded up and similarly held for the flimsiest of reasons. Yet, no one has been able to successfully show why it is necessary to extend the 28 day limit which is already the longest detention period in the West. If the police have proof that an individual is guilty of terrorism put them before a judge and try them or are we going allow people to be detained for thought crime.
Please look into Farrah's case. She was held for 12 days without being given access to lawyers or allowed to call anyone and then released without charge. Her life has been scarred by this experience.
Posted by Noto42days | 04.06.08, 10:41 GMT
What is absolutely incredulous about this whole matter, is that this government as a whole has lied repeatedly on most matters relating to foreign policy and security, even before 9/11. So, nothing says it better than the story of Peter and the Wolf. We are still the sheep when we believe the cries of "wolf, wolf." What makes it even worse is it is the Wolf who is trying to alarm us, not the scared little boy. The truth is not to be found in them, no matter who stands in the box and offers soothing words of assurance laced with fearmongering. Is that not the definition of terrorism?
Posted by Isaac George | 04.06.08, 10:26 GMT
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