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Sarkozy's criticisms annoy Downing Street

By Andrew Woodcock, Press Association

Nicolas Sarkozy has sparked a cross-Channel diplomatic row after disparaging Gordon Brown's response to the economic crisis on French TV.

In a 90-minute grilling carried simultaneously on three TV channels last night, the French President said he would not repeat Britain's economic "mistakes", adding that the Prime Minister's flagship VAT cut had "absolutely not worked".

The Elysee Palace this morning attempted to smooth over the incident, assuring officials at Downing Street that his comments were not intended as an attack on British economic policy.

But a Downing Street spokesman left little doubt of the irritation they caused at Number 10, telling reporters: "The Elysee have been in contact this morning to assure us that these remarks were not meant as a critique of UK economic policy - which is nice."

The spokesman declined to say whether this morning's telephone conversation between officials in Downing Street and the Elysee was initiated by London or Paris.

Challenged last night over his own plans to boost the French economy by infrastructure spending rather than tax cuts, Mr Sarkozy said: "Britain is cutting taxes. That will bring them nothing. Consumption continues to decrease in Britain."

Mr Sarkozy's comments will be particularly unwelcome at Number 10 because they echo the relentless Conservative attack on Chancellor Alistair Darling's temporary 2.5 per cent cut in VAT, which Tories insist is not having the intended effect of shoring up consumer spending.

The remarks - which follow criticisms of British economic policy from senior German and Dutch ministers - may make it more difficult for Mr Brown to achieve international cooperation on the economic crisis when he hosts the G20 summit in London in April.

And they may lead to a strained atmosphere when he and Mr Sarkozy meet at a gathering of European leaders at the end of this month.

Downing Street stressed that Mr Sarkozy's comments were made during a discussion about France's domestic response to the recession.

"It is important to remember the context in which he was making the comments, which as I understand it, was a domestic debate on television about the way forward for the French economy and French proposals for an economic stimulus," said the spokesman.

"I think it is important to keep seeing it in that context."

Downing Street defended the VAT cut, pointing to a recent report by the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies, which described it as a "reasonably effective stimulus" which had prevented sales from falling as far as they would otherwise have done and could be expected to increase purchases by 1.2 per cent over the course of 2009.

The Number 10 spokesman said: "The point about VAT, as we have said all along, is that (the cut) will run for a year so it is too early to judge the effect it has had.

"We have set out quite clearly the case for the VAT cut and all along we have said that other countries must take what measures are appropriate for their own economic circumstances, but the important thing is that we coordinate our response."

Mr Sarkozy's remarks were not the first time that one of Britain's EU partners has questioned the UK's fiscal stimulus package.

Earlier this week, Dutch finance minister Wouter Bos told the Financial Times that the VAT cut was "not a very wise thing to do", adding: "I don't believe it will contribute to a recovery of the economy, whereas it does put pressure on other countries to do the same. It's that type of policy response where I would have liked to see a bit more coordination."

And relations between London and Berlin were strained last year when German finance minister Peer Steinbruck accused Mr Brown of "crass Keynesianism" in his approach to the crisis.

In that case, Mr Brown may feel he was vindicated by the fact that Germany went on to announce a £180bn fiscal stimulus package of its own.

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he Number 10 spokesman
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 02:41 pm (UTC)
who is he Number 10 spokesman? names please
The ruination of the British economy
[info]indpenden_mind wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC)
What Mr.Sarkozy said only echoes the views of around 60& of the British population. Since Mr.Brown entered as Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1997, he has done nothing more than attempt to ruin the British economy, starting with the 5 billion a year tax-raid on the private pension funds, now having reached something over 100 billion with reinvestment. He converted one of the best private pension systems in the world into a system where pension funds are going bankrupt one after another. He gave the Bank of England independence and then changed the definition of inflation from RPI to CPI which obliged them to keep the interest rate too low for too long leading to the bubble and bust situation which we now have. He removed the BoE's responsibility for regulation of the financial sector and introduced the FSA which failed miserably to achieve its object, contributing to over-indebtedness and negative equity. He has managed to achieve 2 more Labour legislatures by creating a client-state of Civil Servants and benefits scroungers out of all proportion to anything that has ever been seen in the U.K. He has failed miserably in his job and has taken us all down with him. He still cannot recognise any fault on his part however.
Re: The ruination of the British economy
[info]stevech wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC)
Strange how some countries are copying his ideas then.....I remember the last recession where the Conservatives let everyone go to the wall.
Re: The ruination of the British economy
[info]stevech wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:30 pm (UTC)
Strange how some countries are copying his idea on fiscal stimulus...I remember the Conservatives during the last recession, they had no idea and let every struggling business go to the wall and people lost their homes. I'm no supporter of Labour but at least this time there is help and someone in power is actually doing something instead of sitting on their hands.
Re: The ruination of the British economy
[info]indpenden_mind wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:47 pm (UTC)
Help for whom? Presumably for you. As a pensioner living in the Eurozone, my income has been halved in only a few months because of the drastic panic cutting of interest rates and the consequent devaluation of the pound.
No one wants to hear the truth
[info]voodoojedizin wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:23 pm (UTC)
I'd say because of the response they are giving, that what the French president said is absolutely true.
Britain has no economic model because Tony Blair tried to turn this country into little America and it failed.

Wouldn't you think a country that has basically no natural resources is located on a rock island, has no real manufacturing and imports just about everything. Wouldn't you think that country would try to live within its means?
Poor Gordon can't admit he didn't save the world after all
[info]rozr wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:29 pm (UTC)
Hilarious isn't it that Brown is so upset. Well he would be since he has fooled himself (and trying to fool us) that he's Saved the World. What a prat the man is. As for diplomatic rows with France, they've been going on for more than 1000 years. Get used to it Gordon, but of course Gordon is a Scot and the Scots used to have a very cosy anti-English relationship with France for centuries. Perhaps Gordon hasn't yet got used to the idea that France and England were often at loggerheads, so Gordon can't take this unexpected heat of being in charge of England (I speak loosely, we DO NOT want him in England).

I'm sure Sarkozy isn't by any means perfect but I sure would prefer to have him as our PM than the Headless Chicken. Added to which Sarkozy has some style, which helps.
Britain: the land of opportunities
[info]hydroptere wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 03:44 pm (UTC)
Sarko and dwarf Berlusconi (the most ignorant, populist leaders) forget the number of European expats who left their obsolete and hooked-on-the-past countries to work and pay taxes in Britain.
If Blair has failed, France, Italy and Germany committed suicide once a year since the Eurozone set up.

Britain will resuscitate quicker than any other country in the EU because of its people and culture.
History repeats itself, it's just a matter of time.
Re: Britain: the land of opportunities
[info]indpenden_mind wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 04:00 pm (UTC)
Britain will resuscitate quicker than any other country in the EU because of its people and culture.

Well it may be but it certainly won't be because of the economic prowess of Gordon Brown and Nu-Labour.
Re: Britain: the land of opportunities
[info]sam320 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:34 pm (UTC)
It's absolutely populist answer to the subject !!!!
Im neither sarko nor berlusconi fan although both of them has been doing a lot in their respective countries !!! I have been travelling lately in all Italy and i can ensure you that it has changed my mind about berlu !!! he's really doing a lot of good thing over there and he's very popular quiet the opposit of Brown and blair in the UK !!!
Think before you write !!!
Re: Britain: the land of opportunities
[info]therealskipper wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:52 pm (UTC)

hydroptere: I can see you are true British nationalist! But perhaps you need to get out a little more ..

The Euro is the world's second currency - an astounding achievement for a newly-created, 'international' currency. Germany is the world's leading exporter and a modern, efficient, fair and decent society - I know: I lived there. France has a technology sector to envy (they make their own nuclear weapons and rockets, which is more than we manage). These countries are not obsolete.

Most of the recent, temporary immigrants come to work and pay taxes in Britain were from ex-communist countries such as Poland (and now they're going home, so where will we find our plumbers??).

You have faith in British people and culture, which is touching. Unfortunately, neither are up to much nowadays. British society goes down a lot further than, for instance, Germany - large sections of society have low skill levels and social problems are far greater here. Education is poor, with many pupils leaving school without basic skills. As far as the culture is concerned: look at how we all give up in the face of a bit of snow! What happened to the stiff British upper lip?

hydroptere, it is the attitudes of people like you that are a barrier to the improvements we so desperately need. Until our problems and weaknesses are fully acknowledged, there will not be the political will to put them right.
Re: Britain: the land of opportunities
[info]indpenden_mind wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 07:22 pm (UTC)
The most ignorant populist leaders are not Sarkozy and Berlusconi but Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Eva Morales of Bolivia and Fidel Castro of Cuba. Unfortunately they seem to be the role models of Zapatero of Spain.
Sarkozy interview
[info]troonman wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 05:25 pm (UTC)
I think the reaction of Downing Street is out of all proportion to the context of the President's statement. Having followed very closely the interview here in Paris I found it abundantly apparent that Sarkozy did not go out of his way to reject the UK package , but just the temporary decrease in VAT - which he maintained had not succeeded in 'kick-starting' consumption or significantly increasing purchasing power in Britain. He emphasised that he wanted a concerted European effort to tackle the crisis, not a piecemeal approach - and in this his postion has not wavered over the past 5 months.
Re: Sarkozy interview
[info]therealskipper wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:35 pm (UTC)

Problem lies not so much with Downing Street, but with the media, including sadly, it seems, the Inde. British media just love to portray everything as a conflict, because they think it holds readers' / viewers' attention better.
VAT
[info]sam320 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC)
The VAT cut was defenitly not the best thing to do although Sarkozy shouldnt be saying that for sure!! It's more an opinion about the choice than about the effect of it!! we all know that it needs some more time to see the result. He certainly wanted to tackle Brown because owing to him it's not a good choice(which Im agree) but also it makes more pressure on the other countries to do the same if not there is a risk to boost the UK economy on behalf of the Europeans as some goods will be cheaper in the great britain than in the continent !!!
It's 2 mistakes in once !!!
What Sarko said
[info]paulireland wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 06:30 pm (UTC)
I think that people should look hard at what the French President said, he didn't disparage Britain, or everything that the British government is doing, he very specifically made his comments about the VAT rate reduction, which I think most people would agree was a waste of money.

A pan-European approach is going to be required to get out of this crisis for all EU countries whether they are in the Eurozone or not. Britain, France, and Germany as the largest economies need to work together in concert with the other smaller economies to come up with effective measures to tackle this.

Some issues are different for different countries, for instance obviously the U.K. has some issues that are specific to its own situation, and having Sterling as its currency, but given that, a generally co-ordinated policy is in everyone's long term interest.
sarkozy is right
[info]viljam wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 08:02 pm (UTC)
he is right to criticize Brown's silly measure of reducing vat which has had nothing like the positive effects promised, and which exposes Brown to the eu as a fool. The Europeans, (the British hardly count) as usual, are taking a more measured. long-term approach, which will shore up their economies and hence the EU for far longer than the twittish Brits who can think of nothing except tax-cuts or bombing people...
Re: sarkozy is right
[info]jfkc wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 08:40 pm (UTC)
When was the British Prime Minister required approval from the President of France to conduct his own economic policy in Britain? Recession is hitting everyone in the EU, and it is just far to early for President Sarkozy to lecture the British how to conduct economic policy unless France has got out of recession already.
You haven't considered the possibility i am not British....
[info]hydroptere wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 09:07 pm (UTC)
For all readers, I am Italian not British...nationalist who?
If you all think Italy, France or Germany are better than Britain in absolute terms you are all wrong.
Please be objective and try to separate your (obvious) momentary passionate bad sentimento from what Britain really is and can offer.

I lived and worked in the UK for over 10 years.
why? Try to graduate at an Italian university or start up your business and you will understand what the magic word "raccomandazione" means. Ever tasted our Byzantine bureaucracy or the Napoleonic French? Ever tried to do in Deutschland the simple things you do in Britain? (wash your car or dry your washing in your garden?)

From my experience I can tell Italian people like the French and the Germans with a university degree have a very low quality of life, inferior to that of an equivalent Brit. Moreover, tax goes beyond any human understanting. In Italy it's 55% on employees earning 4000 Eur gross monthly.
All organisations are hyerarchically vertical.

Ask yourself why so many French decide to relocate to Britain for a better pay and how many germans do the same (some do so just to experience a laugh).

I lived and enjoyed France and Germany too, but I prefer the UK for its culture, the fairness and the calvinist meritocracy of your society.

For those who really think Berlusconi has made Italy a better place, i would suggest to read something about his past, the people in the Parliament condemned for having business with the Mafia.
Ask who controlled the local councils which have been commissioned by home office representatives for mafia
infiltrations.

Europe is a mess and is in no better shape than the UK.
What i meant with my message was to believe more in your country. Italians are hopeless, we enetered a new phase called 'rassegnazione sociale' social resignation.

You are far away from reaching that point.
Britain is a great Nation giving to all the same possibilities and opportunities.





Sarko criticises tax cuts for the poor
[info]ben_henry wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 09:15 pm (UTC)
Most of the Tory posters on here seem to be deliberately ignoring the obvious social bias in Sarkozy's tax cutting policies.

Do they really believe that in this current climate of reflexion on the spectacular failure of last century's individualist short termism, we should all go back to embracing the lunacy of the eighties?.

VAT is the most injustifiable & circumstantially indiscriminate of all the major tax revenue sources.

Seeing Sarko & Berlusconi lauded as political models in the same post probably doesn't deserve a reaction, purely on the principle of not humouring the afflicted.

For those of you out there who aren't aware of, or more probably have conveniently forgotten, the first political act of petit Nicolas was to lower taxes for the wealthiest income bracket, reportedly to win back the tax exiled Johnny Haliday of which Sarko is an unashamed fan!.
This was followed by the 95% slash on property tax, I hope nobody attempts to present this act as anything other than a generous gift for comfortable property speculators.

Has the independant really turned Tory, or are there just a few cheeky Trolls?.
To Forgivr is DIVINE
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 7 February 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC)
I guess we have talked about France so much that we are in a psychical state now.
I thank you.
Firozali A.Mulla
Sorry, a typo error. It is to forgive is divine
[info]famulla wrote:
Saturday, 7 February 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry, a typo error. It is to forgive is divine
I guess we have talked about France so much that we are in a psychical state now.
I thank you.
Firozali A.Mulla

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