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Marcus auctioned to pay for more farm animals

By Andy McSmith

Lovingly hand-reared by pupils in a Kent school, Marcus the lamb met his end in an abattoir after the children voted to sell his meat in a raffle.

Lovingly hand-reared by pupils in a Kent school, Marcus the lamb met his end in an abattoir after the children voted to sell his meat in a raffle.

Marcus the lamb, who was hand-reared by children at a Kent primary school, is dead. The school's headteacher defied protests by a small number of parents, backed by animal rights groups and animal lovers, and yesterday stuck to a decision to have Marcus slaughtered. His carcass will be auctioned to pay for more farm animals.

Andrea Chapman, head of Lydd Primary School, Romney Marsh, appealed to the public yesterday to "move on" for the sake of the children's education.

"The decision to send the wether lamb for meat, which has the support of the school council and staff, the governing body and the majority of parents, has now been carried out," she said. Ms Chapman added that the children have had it explained to them ever since the school began rearing pets that animals such as Marcus are eaten as meat. "When we started the farm in spring 2009, the aim was to educate the children in all aspects of farming life and everything that implies," she said.

The school has been the centre of controversy since a small group of parents protested last week about the decision to kill the lamb. The television chat show host Paul O'Grady offered to buy Marcus, as did several animal sanctuaries.

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They should have made the sheep Headmistress
[info]luka_kuzmich wrote:
Monday, 14 September 2009 at 11:58 pm (UTC)

... and...
The Real World
[info]boeticia wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 02:50 am (UTC)
So what's the next school project after "Operation Marcus the Sheep"? "
Re: The Real World
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 06:04 pm (UTC)
I always find it odd when people hand-rear and animal that's going to end up with its throat and jugular cut open. Now to see a whole school doing this, it does not really vouch for an old friend's trustworthiness ( Marcus's viewpoint) or a healthy and more humane future for us as human beings.
That's disgusting. Andrea Chapman, head of Lydd Primary School and her blabbing ,sounds to me like a Hyena's hysterical laughter to say the least.It is Repugnant Really.
The Point is....
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 04:48 am (UTC)
The point is some children will not move on from this. It will be a deeply scarring emotional trauma to see a 'pet' slaughtered for food for some of the younger children. There should be a inquiry into this by a third party. We can have a inquiry into educational standards by Ofsted but where is the inquiry into standards of emotional care? When suicide rates for the young are becoming frighteningly 'normal' there should be a enquiry into dubious events of this nature.
This will teach the children, all right...
[info]kiss_of_rage wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 04:55 am (UTC)
It will teach them the ways of the selfish people in this world who only think of money as a bottom line, who have no compassion or empathy, who are cruel, small-minded and just downright nasty and vile. Humane people offered to buy the lamb. There was no reason to slaughter it. I hope someday someone or something educates Ms Chapman in what for her will be a whole new realm of understanding: the world of feelings and sensitivity.
Re: This will teach the children, all right...
[info]richard_hode wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 05:11 am (UTC)
I agree completely. There was no rational reason for slaughtering the sheep instead of selling it to those who offered to buy it. The incident teaches a bad attitude towards other living creatures and is typical of the human ape-like hubris.
Re: This will teach the children, all right...
[info]smarttog wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 07:34 am (UTC)
I totally agree with this sentiment. When I was young, growing up in African countries my parents had to keep chickens and rabbits for fresh meat. This was explained and understood from the start and we where never encouraged to regard these animals as pets. Unlike the bush baby and mongoose we never gave then names but they where well cared for.

The children at this school have been encouraged to pet this lamb, call it a name and regard it as a pet. It was spitefully slaughterd and the ensuing auction is sickening in the extream. It should be bought to a halt immediately.

Many children will be damaged by this experiance, the whole fiasco should be investigated so lessons can be learnt.

School animals are not farm anmiomals, there is A CLEAR DISTINCTION!!!!
I eat meat, but eating friends is not cool
[info]rustyroosterfan wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 06:19 am (UTC)
I eat meat and fish at least daily. So I accept we humans are omnivores and that good human health demands eating meat, and that demands killing animals. And I want my meat to have lead a reasonably good life, right up until its throat is cut, it is gassed, or has its skull bashed in with a pneumatic hammer.

However, I have a problem with killing and eating pets.

Especially with children.

Children come to see the pet as a friend.

Then the friend gets sold to be slaughtered for food.

I can see that confusing children.

In our cities we live in a complex societies. For such social complexity to exist, we must be sheltered. We cannot live with the morality of ancient Romans. In fact, we can't really live in major cities with the morality of modern ranchers.
Re: I eat meat, but eating friends is not cool
[info]rustyroosterfan wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
I'll just add, it is not a matter of modern farmers being immoral in some absolute sense.

It is that the enormously broad tolerance and acceptance of others with very different appearances, languages, habits, and an extreme reluctance to harm anything, is essential for successful life in a major city.

On modern farms, we can live more naturally.

But I predict this school has messed up its students emotions.

I predict, having had a loved one yanked from them, many of the children will have trouble making long-term emotional connections later in life.
Like lambs to the slaughter
[info]earthskymother wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 07:23 am (UTC)
What is wrong with this world? To educate children in such a matter of fact way that animals like Marcus are eaten as meat only perpetuates the serious error humans are making on this planet of justifying murder in the name of 'nourishment'. If the children were shown the inside of a slaughterhouse and the process of slaughter in action, I very much doubt any of them would wish to eat meat again. I can only hope that seeing their pet slaughtered for food may have the effect of actually enabling some children to make the connection between these living, feeling beings and the meat on their plate and therefore make a conscious choice to stop participating in this erroneous practice.
Pass the sick-bag
[info]door_stop wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 08:16 am (UTC)
Bravo Ms Chapman for sticking to your guns and taking the right decision. Hopefully, the children at your school will benefit from this experience and develop as adults with a sensible, grown-up attitude to food and its production. These wishy-washy, weak-kneed drips of people decrying your decision, make me sick. (If I lived in your catchment area (and still had kids of that age!) I'd be tickled to have you responsible for their education.)
Re: Pass the sick-bag
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:14 am (UTC)
I think it must be a genetic thing like the squeemish gene. There must be a morality gene of somekind which is only half active in the bloodthirsty?
Re: Pass the sick-bag
[info]boeticia wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
Well, your children don't have an overzealous Ms Chapman as their educator like those hapless youngsters in her school. Be glad! Well see how strongly -spined she is when she accepts responsibility for a tragic consequence that could come out of this questionable "real world project".
Why do people care?
[info]metro_tramp wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
Do people have any idea how many sheep, or other animals, are killed each day for meat?

Why are people so outraged that children should be exposed to this fact?

I'm a vegetarian, so dislike the slaughter of animals in general. However, unless the angry masses who are so vocal about this matter follow a vegetarian or vegan diet, their comments are pure hypocrisy.

If you're going to eat meat, you should accept the facts of its production. Perhaps the parents at this school are so angry because they're concerned their kids may now go veggie!
Re: Why do people care? vs. Why I care
[info]boeticia wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 11:22 am (UTC)
And I'm not even a vegetarian or a vegan. I just don't like the way this live sheep was used as an example in a questionable school project, merely to show young schoolchildren how the food chain for
human consumption works. The very idea of it is disturbing, even for an adult. This has nothing to
do with discipline and moral-building, as some pro-culling enthusiastic mums have implied.
Marcus - A Pet?
[info]door_stop wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:48 am (UTC)
How has the word 'pet' crept into this story? I'd read that the wether had come to the school as part of a project - that its destination was the table and that the children knew this from the off. To consider farm animals as pets is folly - as the sad events evolving in Surrey should tell us. You may expect your kids to pick up nits at school, but not E-coli. If I were a parent at the school, I think I'd be glad that 'Marcus' was off the premises.
Re: Marcus - A Pet?
[info]boeticia wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 11:36 am (UTC)
Excuse me, but the sheep was brought to the school by the headteacher for her ambitious project.
This ordinary sheep out of many other sheep was chosen as the sacrificial lamb for Ms Chapman's
very questionable real-world-food-cycle experiment for the three year old youngsters and over.
This sheep became a "pet" the moment it was given a name, Marcus, thus individualizing it.
In the Animal Kingdom paradise, Marcus the sheep must now be commenting its fate with a loud
BOO instead of a BAA!
Her name is Andrea CHARMAN
[info]kentlad wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 11:32 am (UTC)
The headmistress's name is actually Charman and it may have only been a small group of parents who protested, but there are plenty of parents who do not wish this school to farm animals destined for the slaughterhouse. This is not an animal rights issue as the animals are well cared for. However, the welfare and happiness of the children should be paramount and drawing this level of media attention to the school and its pupils isn't at all acceptable. Whether she thought she was right or wrong, it was the head's responsibility to stop this situation spiraling out of control. She did not. Handing over the lamb would have taken Lydd school out of the spotlight and saved the pupils the worry from threats to have their school burned down! Charman's determination to have this lamb slaughtered, regardless of threats posed to her staff and herself, not to mention close scrutiny of the school, are extremely unsettling.
Re: Her name is Andrea CHARMAN
[info]boeticia wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 11:53 am (UTC)
True, Ms Charman wasn't at all charming. The welfare and happiness of the children should be
paramount, rightly said, but this should have been carefully thought over BEFORE carrying out the
school experiment. One will see how the pupils will react emotionally after all this.
Re: Her name is Andrea CHARMAN
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 12:01 pm (UTC)
I quite agree and the only way of removing the public attention safely from this siuation is for a emergency Ofsted inspection and possibly the temporary suspension of this headmistress whilst it is conducted. I should hope the people who are able to influence this matter will bring it fully to the attention of the external authorities. If you are able to write to Ofsted then please do so.

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/Ofsted-home/About-us/Contact-us

Re: Her name is Andrea CHARMAN
[info]gonzoda wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
Clearly you have more than one screw loose. Given the power, (thank logic you dont) you would put this teacher in front of a tribunal???!!!

Over a SHEEP..

All I can say is how glad I am you have no say at all. And I hope you dont manage to incite a mob of similarly minded dullards to take this creative, strong teacher away from doing what you must have never had.

A balanced education
Re: Her name is Andrea CHARMAN
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC)
I myself would not do this. If a panel saw fit to take action then they would. A credible suspicion is roused by a intelligent journalist and you are suggesting we, the public, should keep quiet? This is not a closed society. The freedom of speech comes with the responsiblity to whistleblow when things are smelling of fish.
Mint sauce any one?
[info]gonzoda wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
Wow.. Having grown up on a farm it never ceases to surpries me what lengths people will go to, to protect a sheep.

To those crying out about animal welfare, that sheep had a good life which came to an end. Seriously people its not like the sheep was butuchered in plain view of all the kids.

The various bleaters should spend their time putting their voices behind some thing that matters, Like perhaps the carbon foot print of this pointless list of comments.

B
Re: Mint sauce any one?
[info]andy108 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC)
Coming from a farming background-now a vegetarian for 30 years -I can tell you many farmers get very upset when their animals go off for slaughter.The whole thing is madness.Most people could easily addapt to a vegetarian diet-or eat free range chicken and fish which are not so evolved.
On the other side about 30% of farmers are not fit to keep animals.The suffering I have seen is appalling and it is happening everywhere.
Re: Mint sauce any one?
[info]smarttog wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)
We are talking about the phsycological effects on young children and most people on this thread appear to think that is an issue.

Young children form very close bonds with animals, I know this as an experienced parent. Has anyone ever tried to soften the blow of a dead pet by pretending its gone to a better place?

Re: Mint sauce any one?
[info]boeticia wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 02:37 am (UTC)
If I were a profiler, I would describe you as a potential brute who didn't care about people either.
Just so wrong....
[info]amybug_84 wrote:
Thursday, 17 September 2009 at 09:51 pm (UTC)
This is one of the cruelest most callous things I have read about in a very long time. This sheep was a 'pet' not a farm animal, he was petted from a tiny baby and should have been used to teach the children how to look after an animal and the correct way to treat an animal, not to trach them of the way animals are killed and turned into meat, there are plenty of other ways this can be learnt, I for one learnt about this from watching a documentary at school and beeing told about it by teachers and that certainly wasnt when I was 6 years old. Children of 6 should be blissfully igonarant as to where meat comes from, they dont need to know or associate an animal with a chicken nugget or pork sausage, kids should be allowed to keep there innocence and not have the worry of such things.
If the school pet had been a dog or a cat would the head have decided to send that to slaughter after keeping that for several months as a pet, of course not! So why should Marcus the sheep be any different at all, a farm animal stops being a farm animal and starts being a pet, just like a cat or dog, when its given a name, bottle fed, humanised and fussed by children or people on a daily basis, and i cant thing anyone would have there own dog killed, would they? When i first read this sorry on the front of the Independent on Tuesday i was so shocked and upset it was all i could do not to burst into tears there and then, but now all i feel is utter anger, how parents can keep their child in that school after me is beyond me, the poor things must be so distressed, esp those who arent allowed pets, cant have pets to them that sheep would have been really important and now he's gone. I truly hope the headteacher at Lydd school cant sleep at night knowing what she has done and what she has put the children, parents, staff and members of the public though, she really should be sacked or forced to resign over this. If murdering the sheep wasnt bad enough auctioning off his meat to buy pigs to turn into sausages in so incredibly sick. Doesnt she realise she runs a school not a farm and last time i checked hand rearing an animal then sending it to slaughter wasnt actually on the national curriculum. Iam so appauled this has happened in our country, im disgrased by the cold hearted nature or what charman decided to do and can only wonder, if she can sanction a pet sheeps death could she raise a hand to a child, is she actually safe to work around children?
And before anyone calls me a hypocrite, i am a vegetarian and have been for many many years.
To hell with the woolies
[info]blooddog wrote:
Friday, 25 September 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
Me? I hate sheep and I'm glad Marcus met an'orrible fate. I do not eat them , as a veggie of many years but they are a pest in so many ways. I live in a very remote community of crofters and the sheep are allowed to wander anywhere they like. Consequently they sh#t everywhere,eat gardens , sleep on the roads , and make it impossible to walk the dog. Then there is the small issue of the millions given to crofters in subsudies to allow them to continue keeping these useless creatures, without tax payers money none of them would bother . Many argue that we would not have the countryside we have without them , good , then we would have the countryside nature intended , like trees.
By giving the subsidies to have sheep , we are also allowing an inneficient,irrelevant,useless way of life to continue when what should be happpeninmg is crofters should be payed to find new ways to nake a living off their supposedly beloved crofts , so they can pay their own way, I won't get started on the housing grants or the vehicle subsidies they get as well.
Sheep are useless,unhiegenic,filthy and a menace, holding up progress and intefering with peoples lives and health.
So you see it's all a matter of perspective and where you live , though I do know one thing . Never give an animal a name if you intend to eat it, I used to fatten heffers for beef and they were always "the heffer".

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