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Behind Asia's nice manners, tough lessons for Obama

Frustrating tour of Asia has left America with much to think about

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

Barack Obama shows his skills in the Korean martial art of taekwondo to the South Korean President Lee Myung-bak

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Barack Obama shows his skills in the Korean martial art of taekwondo to the South Korean President Lee Myung-bak

Barack Obama's first trip to Asia, which ended yesterday, has underscored two related truths about America and its 44th president. In his foreign dealings Mr Obama is long on charm and reason but – thus far at least – short on concrete results. And people don't listen to the United States like they used to.

To be fair, spectacular results were never expected from his eight-day visit that took in Japan, an Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Singapore, China and South Korea. Mr Obama, who was born in Hawaii and spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, has described himself as "America's first Pacific president". But the reality is that relations between the US and the two largest Asian pacific powers are in a state of flux.

A more assertive government in Japan, for decades comfortable under the American security umbrella, is at odds with Washington over the relocation of a Marine base on Okinawa. In China, his most important stop, leaders of the emerging colossus showed they were in no mood to listen to lectures on human rights or the management of its economy.

Indeed, colouring everything was the shifting balance between the massively indebted and recession-plagued country led by Mr Obama, and an economically surging Asia, led by China whose cheap exports fuelled America's long consumption boom.

Against this backdrop, there was little likelihood of a breakthrough on climate change between the world's two biggest polluters. An agreement to work together on the issue is a long way from an agreement on action. Even yesterday's discussions in South Korea, considered the easiest leg of the trip, produced little new.

Inevitably, there have been complaints that Mr Obama has been too nice. His bow to the Japanese emperor, it has been objected, was too low and obsequious. His Chinese hosts were, naturally, formal politeness personified. But in substantive terms they kept the US president on a short leash, restricting access and coverage of his town hall meeting in Shanghai. For his part Mr Obama did not choose to dwell greatly on China's poor record on free speech and human rights.

Some commentators draw comparisons between Mr Obama and Hu Jintao's meeting and the 1961 summit in Vienna between another charismatic US president and a battle-hardened Communist leader. On that occasion John F Kennedy was put through the wringer by the Soviet Union's Nikita Khrushchev. Whether Mr Obama got similar treatment is unclear. But, noted David Gergen, a former adviser to both Democratic and Republican White Houses: "It would seem wise not only for President Obama but for all Americans to treat this as a wake-up call."

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Rights and wrongs
[info]find_empire wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 07:52 am (UTC)
You got this right:
In his foreign dealings Mr Obama is long on charm and reason but – thus far at least – short on concrete results. And people don't listen to the United States like they used to.

But you got this oh SO wrong:
Mr Obama, who was born in Hawaii and spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, has described himself as "America's first Pacific president".

First of all, Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya:



Secondly, his Indonesian daddy was one of the butchers in Suharto's CIA-ordered massacre of over 500,000 leftists. His mama was a CIA agent who posed as a social worker to root out any remaining leftists after the massacre. So what Obama means by claiming to be a "Pacific president" should make any thinking person's skin creep.
Re: Rights and wrongs
[info]find_empire wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 07:55 am (UTC)
There seems to be a problem with hot-linking Obama's Kenyan birth certificate. See it here or here.
Re: Rights and wrongs
[info]drewridama wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 02:05 pm (UTC)
Love it, without a hint of irony: 'there seems to be a problem with hot-linking Obama's Kenyan birth certificate'.
Re: Rights and wrongs
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 10:43 am (UTC)
If you find Mr. Obama "creepy", how would G.W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of their camp followers make you feel?
(no subject) - [info]elivebuy - Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC) Expand
Tough Lessons for Obama
[info]juliandbsmith wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 09:03 am (UTC)

Tough lessons for all of us, as J Hari points out the big money people rig and rule everything in the US, and not just in the US, the tendency is everywhere. I'll not go into the paranoia about Obama's birthplace, it seems he was American enough as senator, it just seems too much for some when he got "uppity" and got the presidency. Anyway GWB stole the last election from Al Gore and that didn't improve things much!!

The trouble is that the internationalists don't actually live anywhere in our reality, they flit about the globe, pampered in luxury, unable to conceive of anything other than more, and more, and more, money, power, control, sex, whatever. The little people get to wave their flags and die in sponsered wars which are either adventures or arguments between the rich. Just as the 1st world war was a family argument between European titled Heads of State, 9/11 was the product of youthful rebellion by OBL and his mates and the response by GWB in Iraq seemed more about finishing his Dad's business than anything else.

Expect more squabbles over resources as our overheated and polluted planet turns against our excesses.
Re: Tough Lessons for Obama
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)
Pardon me, but Obama got the presidency because he was "democratically elected"! You're not saying that you're happy with everything the the previous Bush administration did, are you?
Precisely because of the catastrophic consequences of Bush's term in office, voters wanted a complete change - and "democratically" elected Mr. Obama. Obviously, you found nothing to complain about during G.W. Bush's EIGHT years in power - so that says everthing about you.
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 11:26 am (UTC)
After decades of arm-twisting and bully-methods by generations of U.S. politicians with world leaders, especially those of weak Third World countries, Mr. Obama probably thought to use the charm offensive in future dealings with others. If even that does not now show much positive effect on the leaders of countries he has just visited, is no fault of Obama's. Countries like China, with a much better economy than others in the west, including the U.S., has no need to kowtow to America. Likewise Japan, Singapore, Malaysia in Asia - and Venezuela and Brazil in that continent. Leaders of these countries are more self-assured and have no need to be beholden to the once mighty America.
..on the proposition that all men (AND countries) are created equal
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC)
After decades of arm-twisting and bully-methods by generations of U.S. politicians with world leaders, especially those of weak Third World countries, Mr. Obama probably thought to use the charm offensive in future dealings with others. If even that does not now show much positive effect on the leaders of countries he has just visited, is no fault of Obama's. Countries like China, with a much better economy than others in the west, including the U.S., has no need to kowtow to America. Likewise Japan, Singapore, Malaysia in Asia - and Venezuela and Brazil in that continent. Leaders of these countries are more self-assured and have no need to be beholden to the once -almighty United States of America. As even Obama is now finding out, future foreign relationships have to be on equal footing - and on a more democratic basis,
[info]ashokmehta13 wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
Obama's tour was full of verbose and platitudes signifying nothing
New political etiquette...pushy is out.
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 07:47 pm (UTC)
"Obama's tour was full of verbose and platitudes signifying nothing", you say. Well, did he have any choice? Bullying U.S. politicians long before him spoiled his civilised attempts at
reaching out to foreign leaders. Too late now perhaps for a humble pie approach, not a few countries have learned their lessons of the past , and are wary about American intentions. From now on, it's
"on equal-footing time" relationship between other countries and the U.S., if one wants positive results of any kind.
Chastened And Not A Welcome At Home
[info]littleglimmer wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)
BO now looks like he has been in the Headmaster's office and quietly told he won't be passing his exams after all. And he has to go home but can't tell his parents.

Goodbye, US. When you go down, you will look for goodwill in vain, because you crapped on people on the way up.
Re: Chastened And Not A Welcome At Home
[info]boeticia wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 08:07 pm (UTC)
Actually, little Obama didn't put the itching powder on the teacher's seat, nor did he pull little Sarah's pigtail at school, but because he's tiny black boy in the classroom, he's blamed and not the real bullies who did it - and sent to the Headmaster's office. This is the way the story should go.
America follows Britain into decline
[info]matthew_dc wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 05:40 pm (UTC)
America could not retain its empire forever. It doesn't matter if Obama is president or one of the GOP flunkies. He can't stop the decline of the American empire any more than the post-war PM's in Britain could stop their empire from unravelling. It is no doubt painful when former vassal states stand up to Washington. Maybe Britain can send counsellors to explain to American politicians what the next 20-30 years are going to feel like and how to cope.
Frustrating tour of Asia has left America with much to think about
[info]bigjoerice wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 09:25 pm (UTC)
Actually, there's not much point in thinking about anything related to the butt whipping Obama took on our behalf in Asia, because we as a people lack the leadership, community spirit, personal account-abilities and willingness to make any of the sacrifices that will allow the USA to even slow our inevitable decline to mediocrity, never mind reverse it.

Thanks to the greed on Wall Street, the greed on Main Street, and the debacles that GW was able to perpetrate on an indifferent America, we now have as much influence on the world stage as Lichtenstein.

Well I for one have had enough; I'm mad and I'm not going to take it anymore - I'm going to get of my duff and do something about it ................I'm emigrating.
Re: Frustrating tour of Asia has left America with much to think about
[info]boeticia wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 03:27 am (UTC)
Good idea, go to Liechtenstein. One lives well there.
[info]jonswan wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 01:35 am (UTC)
find_empire; what utterly ridiculous comments. What kind of world you must inhabit, with all your boring as hell conspiracy theories. Obama's not perfect but compared to the bunch of criminals you've recently had running your country for 8 years he is very very welcome. Imbecile.
Obama and China
[info]taw1992 wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 03:04 am (UTC)
For the first time the US wanted and needed something from someone who could match them in power. What they found was that China is now bigger and better at what it does and does not apologise to anyone.

I've lived in Singapore since 1992 and it's been evident since then even that any western country that wants to hold its own in the coming world has to be as ruthless as the Asian countries. Ruthless, yes, because they have an aim and go for it. Manners and diplomatic words they have aplenty but underneath is a backbone and a real desire to achieve. Until western countries take on the same attitudes and compete they will continue to slide further and further into mediocrity.
Re: Obama and China
[info]boeticia wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 03:34 am (UTC)
The "stepping on corpses" mentality one can do less in the U.S., or anywhere for that matter.
[info]ashokmehta13 wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 12:47 pm (UTC)
With countries like China diplomatic niceties are taken as a sign of servility. The Chinese only respect power.
PAY FOR PLAY
[info]melpol wrote:
Saturday, 21 November 2009 at 02:16 pm (UTC)
An enactment of the Pay For Play bill would give over 15 million Americans jobs as Sex Workers. The strongest opposition against its passage comes from older women. They fear it would make them uncompetitive in a youth oriented culture. Sex workers would have to give 10% of their income to Uncle Sam. In return they would be given free health insurance.

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