Cheers greet Obama as he defends radical healthcare reforms
President rouses fervour reminiscent of election as he answers his critics in a rousing Minneapolis rally
Taking his pitch for healthcare reform to main-street America with a rousing rally in a basketball arena in Minneapolis, Barack Obama vowed yesterday that his plan would overturn a broken system which, according to newly released figures, leaves half of those aged under 65 without insurance at some point.
"These are people who are working every day. These are middle-class Americans," an energised President Obama told a standing-room-only crowd inside the Target Center. "In other words, it can happen to anyone. There but for the grace of God go I." To loud cheers, he added: "We've got to do something."
Three days after his healthcare speech to a rare joint session of Congress in Washington, Mr Obama is switching his focus to a still-wary American public, trying to reassure them about the details of his plan, including the cost and the role any public-insurance entity might play. Tonight he gives a rare interview on 60 Minutes, on CBS. He will address a union convention in Pittsburgh on Tuesday.
Even before the President's arrival, the emotions unleashed by the health debate were in view outside the arena. Furious boos greeted a man with a placard that said "Liar, liar", echoing the Republican congressman who blurted "You lie!" at the President last week. A woman wore a surgical mask with "Obama Flu" across it. Elsewhere a man in a wheelchair shouted, "Socialists!" at those going inside.
At the podium, the President was indeed greeted by a mostly supportive crowd, which frequently erupted into the kind of fervour not seen since his campaigning days last year. Some came wearing blue Obama-Biden 2008 shirts – retrieved from their bottom drawers for the day. Margaret Houlton, 43, was among them. "He needs our help," she explained. "Obama is trying to do change and change is hard."
Other groups had had new T-shirts made up for the occasion. Followers of pro-choice Planned Parenthood wore pink, with the polite slogan: "Healthcare for Every Community". Members of a food industry union were in orange. A local nurses' association sported red with: "RX, Exercise Your Rights".
Yelva Lynfield, 76, a retired doctor, was with the pink crowd. If she has problems with the Obama plan it is because it doesn't go far enough. She rejects those, like the heckling congressman, who insist that no benefits should go to illegal immigrants. "If one of those gets TB, doesn't get treatment and coughs on me, that's a problem. They should be entitled to get coverage also."
Repeatedly interrupted by chants of "Yes, we can" – his campaign refrain – Mr Obama seemed to relish his return to the stump. Asking that people knock on doors and help win the support of waverers, he resurrected another line from last year: "I want to know, Minnesota. Are you fired up, ready to go?"
After a rocky August, Mr Obama has been forced to push back, trying at once to rebut "lies" from his foes, including the claim that "death panels" will decide when the elderly should die, and to persuade ordinary Americans that doing nothing is not an option, and leaving so many people uninsured is immoral.
Thus, yesterday, he seized on the new figures from a US Treasury study showing that, over a span of 10 years, 48 per cent of all Americans under the age of 65 will lose their health insurance at some time. And more than one third of Americans will find themselves uncovered for a year or more.
In the CBS interview, Mr Obama says that, whatever is agreed, the Bill must actually help attain his aims of giving coverage to all and lowering costs. "I have no interest in having a Bill get passed that fails. That doesn't work," he says, according to pre-released extracts. "I intend to be President for a while, and once this Bill passes, I own it."
This week may determine whether a bipartisan deal can be struck in the key Senate Finance Committee, which is weeks behind in agreeing on a draft Bill, or whether Mr Obama will have to rely on his own party to push a final version through Congress for him to sign. He has signalled over recent days that he is ready to forgo provisions to set up a public insurance entity to compete with private insurers.
The "public option", as it is known, has been passionately embraced by liberals and equally fiercely resisted by conservatives, including some in the President's own party on Capitol Hill.
"The public option is a big idea, but it's a bad idea," insisted Doug Bass, 52, an unemployed teacher who was brandishing his own anti-reform placard outside the arena, with the question "How many Trillions?" – a reference to the cost of the reform plan.
"I don't mean any disrespect," he said, "but I don't like this National Health thing in the UK. Ted Kennedy didn't go to England for his brain tumour."
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A Treasury study, based on data collected by the University of Michigan, which found that 47.7 percent had lost coverage at some point, for one month or longer, during the 10 years from 1997 to 2006. Mr. Obama, using those figures to project what might happen over the next 10 years, says they amount to a dire forecast for the already insured.
Well, why not use a time interval of 20 years so that Obama could make us believe that 96 % of all Americans will have lost coverage at some point, for one month or longer? That would scare us even more.
It’s not only a bad trick but it is fundamentally dishonest to use the “power of compounding interest” to leverage the 2,6 % (= 8,6 million Americans) into 96 %.
Does his claim qualify as a lie? Technically no, in his mind it’s only meant to be a deception. However, deception is a brother to all lies which in turn validates Obama is a liar.
Eeeeh Obama, that was Bush and the Neoncons.
Now, if you are a member of the Green Religion you might be talking about a bush. But I can assure you, I haven't been able to train the bush in my yard to promise me anything. However, I am always afraid that a vicious dog might want to urinate on it.
The developments reflected a renewed focus on the issue in the days since a Republican congressman's outburst during President Barack Obama's health care speech to Congress on Wednesday night. Republican Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina shouted "You lie!" as Obama said illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered under his health plan. Who asked you to come here go to your homes We have to look after the Americans We are we, you are you, they are they,Die dir if you came jumping th efences now you die. We will bury as I am a Muslim.
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
Thanks, we'd rather survive than bend to your radical "religion."
Yes, we know what you Muslims want to do to us...bury us.
Thanks, we'd rather survive than bend to your radical "religion."
For how long under Brown, you are safe he will send you to Libya, You know cancer that. But who told you that we die bad? It is only when you marry then slowwwwwlyyyy.
MEANING:
noun: A quarrelsome or overbearing woman.
ETYMOLOGY:
From Old French Tervagant. The term originates after an imaginary deity that Christians in medieval Europe erroneously believed was worshiped by Muslims. It was represented in morality plays as a violent, overbearing personage. Over time, the term became generalized to apply to any brawling person, and eventually only to women.
USAGE:
"[Mrs. Lincoln], the wife of one of our most beloved presidents, has been characterized as a sharp-tongued termagant who made her husband's life miserable."
Larry Eskridge; The Tragedy of Mary Lincoln; The Daily Ledger (Canton, Illinois); May 16, 2009.
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
All I ask is this: Do something. Try something. Speaking out, showing up, writing a letter, a check, a strongly worded e-mail. Pick a cause -- there are few unworthy ones. And nudge yourself past the brink of tacit support to action. Once a month, once a year, or just once. -Joss Whedon, writer and film director (b. 1964)
The fact is They willnot have the benefit THAT was the point but if you want to go there HELL please play on the road with lots of trafic, no illness, no BP, on heart stroke, no nothin, just the peices we pack up in the fish bag and cats.
But why are you getting involved U R In UK
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
That, in Minneapolis. In Washington, a mass gathering of all whites, supposedly against the health care reforms, but their presence and statements reveal it to be a rally against Obama because he is black.
Stupid, ignorant Americans! The only thought that makes me feel better is that Italians voted for Berlusconi.
If there is something that we have got right it is Bevin's Health Care reform. Hopefully it will be the saviour to those Americans falling through the net via influence. The intelligent within the USA thrive off of ripping off the poor and asking "why cant you make it for yourself?" despite the fact 90 per cent of wall street, congress and the senate did not.
Apart from the times when you just cut and paste whole libraries in your comments your posts do not make any sense what so ever! Your pitiful attempts at commentary annoy thousands and while a very few have come to regard you as a a bearable eccentric, weird little oddity I think you are a charlatan who probably isn't even that bad at writing english but someone who is just trying to hide their total inability at debating and opinion forming by trying to fashion an aura of mystique through their writings ala Nostradamus. Nothing that you write means anything because you dont have anything to say! Shut up and go find a single human being to annoy i.e a girlfriend and leave the rest of us alone.
I thank you
One pissed off reader
It is an enormous expense. My life suffers as a result of this cost.
So, you might think that I would be first in line to sign up for Obamacare.
(By the way, I am 49 years old, have $10,000 in savings, drive a 17-year old car and my house has many items of deferred maintenance).
Yet I am not convinced that the President's plan would lower my annual health care costs.
Instead, I believe that my $11,000 annual cost would increase under his plan.
Therefore, I am against it. And, yes, I was shouting "He's lying" at my television just as the President's speech was interrupted by that most unparliamentary outburst from the South Carolina congressman.
The cost to me for this is £160 a month as a 50 year old non smoking male, which at current exchange rates makes it about $3500 per year, which seems to be 1/3 of what you pay. Why would that be?
But if business continues as it is and I need to make cuts then I stop paying the premium each month and I still have coverage with the NHS - I won't have to worry about having no back up.
The biggest one is that the NHS keep prices low.
The fact our private health insurers can still make money, while keeping prices low, quality of care high.
Taking this a basis of fact then the public option in the health care plan if price competitively and substantially undercuts the market value this alone should force health care to get cheaper in America
What Obama has managed to do which is crucial is bring to the front of the public's mind the glaring fact that many millions fall out of the net and healthcare is not a part of the universal picture of America's freedom and that this is not acceptable. It was this same notion , after the war, that made most if not all of the UK public very symathetic to the ideal that everybody has the right to good health.
Recently I lost my job because of the recession, and the state is now paying the interest on my mortgage allowing affording me grace to find a job.
The state gives me pocket money, so that I don't starve.
And when I woke up once and had spots on my arm, I didn't have to worry about seeing a doctor, because it was available to me on the same day, for free.
An Iranian friend of mine came to London for a short visit and asked me how I was, and when I mentioned that the state pays the interest on my mortgage, the very proud Iranian said 'England is beautiful . . .', this is completely out with his character.
I forgot to mention that I'm a qualified architect, and it was the state that paid for my education and maintenance. And I really hope that the education grants are restored.
Of recent, I have come round to realise that most of my friends are in fact English.
I owe this country, and I love this beautiful country. And I hope as an architect, or in any capacity, I will hopefully do her proud one day.
As for you Americans, we may be a small Island, but by God, we've got it right!
healthcare, to have access to it,... like the rest of the more fortunate ones like you, who do.
I should also be more careful about labelling him as a "liar", because then you'll have to justify what
the previous Republican administration did, throwing billions of dollars out of the window...YOUR money!
For what? Starting an uneven and undeclared war with a faraway country with oil, and causing the death
of thousands of U.S. soldiers, and citizens of that country.
Perhaps you had nothing against all that, and even approved of it, because of partisanship...because
it was the Republicans. My party..my country, right or wrong. Especially as the religious banner waved along in righteousness. Onward, Christian soldiers......
Or is it due to the good, old American adage that those 46 millions should "paddle their canoe"?
As for poor Pres. Obama, he hasn't even started yet, and already he's being pebbled - and worse.
Nobody in his right mind wants Obama's help in ruining our health care. He fist should fix the government health systems that are in place.
Why create another monstocity if the current Medicare (for people over age 65) is in collaps. He needs to prove that he can cut the cost and waste in that system first. Empty promises that he will do that are no longer good enough. We want action now!
Did you knew that the new health care program is intended to be financed by stealing >$500 billion from the insolvent Medicare health insurance?
Tell us where are those 46 million "less fortunate" everyone feels so strongly about. Using that term implies the others got to where they are by hitting the jack pot? No they work and do what is right! We need to act now and make them get off their behinds!
While everyone makes it a political issue, for me it is personal: Obama branded those who are uninsured and pay for health servises out of pocket -like I do- as "irresponsible". How much more communistic/marxist can our president get?
Now you know who Obama is including in his 46 million.
So, cut that crap about the "American adage that those 46 millions should paddle their canoe". They have been peddling for a long time and don't need a health care bill that mirrows the one from the 3rd Reich.
hard time surviving in the world's "richest" country. But people don't see what they don't want to see -
namely, the truth. Obama hasn't been long in the White House, and people like you already find fault with him. Where were you when your last President Bush and his buddies were throwing out billions of dollars as if they owned it. Taxpayers' money, your money! Were you out protesting about
it? Doesn't that bother you? Think what could have been done with those wasted billions, ending up
in corrupt Iraqian politicians' pockets...or don't you read the papers? That's what you and your friends
should be demonstrating against!
As for political systems, if you don't understand how other countries are run...you'll be surprised that
the average citizens so much better than you in the world's richest country. Your political system
is not at all perfect, otherwise, there shouldn't even be one (1) poor person in America, not to mention
46 millions who would just most likely drop dead in your street because they can't see a doctor.
And YOU, couldn't care less....let them paddle their own canoe. Nice people!
I do and see the same who claim of having a hard time surviving are placing higher priority on fancy entertainment centers, cell-phones and blackberries, drugs and alcohol than on insurance for health care.
I work in the inner city where those "poor" people live for free in government housing I maintain and repair. They perceive to have a "hard time surviving" only if they can't get sex, drugs and alcohol. But since you are so genuinely concerned about their "well being" let me send you some addresses so you can put your money where your mouth is. Send them your money so they have some supplemental means to their monthly welfare paychecks they receive already, OK?
Where is your logic? Just because somebody is wasting tax dollars for war games we now have the obligation to waste money for health care as well? According to you, two wrongs would make it right. Let me stress, the US voted for Obama to change that but got a ?Bush on steroids? instead. What keeps Obama from halting the wars? There is plenty of opposition to the wars on this side of the pond.
As you correctly stated " And YOU [I], couldn't care less .... let them paddle their own canoe." I go even a step further. Take the canoe and paddles away, then swim or sink! This might sound strange to you since I am one of those 46 millions without insurance you are so concerned about.
You missed to provide the source of the "46 millions who would just most likely drop dead in your street because they can't see a doctor". You think revealing the source would expose you as one of the Obama's co-liars?
By the way: Does your NHS provide free surgical sex changes as US government already does?
should make your present healtcare system go bankrupt? What about those who have to put up
with "normal" aches and pains? A California woman wrote that she had to go over the border to the
(poorer) Mexico which already has enough problems of its own...to see a dentist to relieve her of
her toothache. Isn't that terrible? It's wonderful of the Mexicans to be generous, burt that must be
very embarrassing for the U.S., the richest country in the world.
So if you're one of the 46 millions without healtcare, be glad the new president wants to make
changes to provide YOU with the care you need. Give him a chance, and don't torpedo the reforms
he wants for the country. Bush didn't do anything to improve American's lives, but just caused a
war, and wasted all those billions of dollars. Did you benefit from the Iraq war, I'd like to know?
?What about those who have to put up with "normal" aches and pains?... Two options: 1) See the doctor and get a prescription which causes costs because every visit has co-payments which also are collected by the existing government plans (= Medicare for age 65 and higher and Medicaid for the indigent/poor). Filling of the prescription drugs requires co-payment, amount depending on the drug. 2) Purchase drug over the counter or if one knows the prescription drug and needs it regularly buy it in Mexico or Canada without a prescription at significantly lower cost. However, it is illegal (just don?t get caught at the border or be drug tested and have no approved prescription).
If you want very good and affordable health care go to Mexico and use their national system. Americans, especially retired folks do that because the monthly insurance premium is $130 only and that covers everything (no co-payments).
I canceled my insurance because it is significantly less expensive to pay out of pocket. The co-payments for private as well as for government insurances are as high as the actual cost for the services.
...be glad the new president wants to make changes to provide YOU with the care you need.... No, the new law only mandates that everyone purchases insurance or a penalty will be assessed. This will more than triple my health care cost. Physicians are at the point to no longer accept patients on government plans (which I had) because government reimbursements are 50% to 70% of actual cost.
So, why is healthcare so expensive? Medical care for the patients on government plans and for the ?free? treatment of non-paying clients as well as 12 Million illegal aliens are paid for by the privately insured. This is what is called ?cost shifting?, the reason insurance premiums and co-payments are so high.
...Did you benefit from the Iraq war... I have no interest in the Iraq war (the notion of war as well as capital punishment does not fit into my mind)
? Bush didn't do anything to improve American's lives... I can?t say that because his tax-cuts (income taxes) were a big benefit for the middle class, and the cuts in capitals-gain tax were beneficial to those who are retired. The Health care for children was launched. Obama administration will not extend the expiration date or the tax cuts.
?.Give him [Obama] a chance, and don't torpedo the reforms he wants for the country?. Yes and no. As of right now we don?t know what the final bill will be. Confusion and controversial was caused by the multiple bills. This explains why the President looked like a fool with statements that contradict what?s in the different bills.
Political hype is meaningless to me. I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but judge the bill on its merits (cost/social benefit). So fare, the proposed bills aren?t even defined. However, the opposition to the bills and the considerable slow-down in speed of the legislation is a promising development. It provides the much needed time to make it a better legislation and to prevent a wreck down the road. Some emotional issues are still to be resolved (illegal immigrants, abortions) but those are red herrings that will be used as stumbling blocks and could be resolved soon.
This will be the third major ?entitlement program?. The other two (Social-Security-Retirement and Medicare = old people medical and hospital insurance) are insolvent now and nobody knows where the funding for all three will come from. (my guess: energy bill/CO2-taxes).
I am upbeat and confident something will be passed and it will be better!
in the U.S.????
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel wants true change in the delivery of health care through implementation of the COMPLETE LIVES SYSTEM, a system that doesn?t waste resources on the unborn, the very young (<18) and those over 58 years old.
or being talked about on your partisan Fox news. Why do you speak for Dr. Emanuel to put words in
his mouth? Write him a letter...in a democratic capitalist system, that's allowed, isn't it? I'm certain
he can clarify what you think you had read in those 1000 pages of the proposed legislation. You form
your own conclusions as if printed letters are already facts. Inform yourself also about other healthcare
systems in western countries so as to compare with the American one, which doesn't seem so great that
millions of Americans don't have access to it. Are your poor brothers and sisters just rubbish for you?
That's how sounds the way you dismiss their existence. That's what people in the Western countries
mean when on their travels all over the U.S. they see for themselves...Americans living in tents and run-down trailers in for instance, the capital of California. And it's the same picture in other towns
and cities. Why do you imply that these people are lazy? You know for sure that many of them had
lost their homes due to the greedy crooks in your banking system and investment institutions.
Open your eyes wide and don't be judgmental about your fellowman. Who knows? You might find
yourself in the same situation sooner or later.
What's unbelievable about it all is your..and those who think like you..attitude. The world always thought Americans were tolerant and open-minded, and now we're finding out how narrow-minded
some people can be . Perhaps it has to do with going overboard in your religious fervour.
Show your Christian values by not saying: "Am I my brother's keeper?"
I'm afraid your intolerance - and indifference - to others' views and perspectrives will lead to your country's downfall.
Reduce the cost for doctor/hospital visits (Eliminate liability and malpractice suits for doctors/hospitals that treat ?universal insured? patients).
Reduce the cost for medications (Only pharmaceuticals that treat the disease shall be dispensed. Medications that do not treat the disease but are prescribed to just make you feel better, treat symptoms or counteract side effects will not be reimbursed)
Forbid the use of patients as ?guinea-pigs? (Forbid dispersion of experimental drugs/procedures even if all other options have been exhausted)
Prevent predictable increases in medical cost (Cease the stem-cell research for humans, prevent research/development of life-saving technologies)
Increase the supply of donor organs (Revise the law that forbids the selling or marketing of your own body parts for profit by making an exception for those below the official poverty line so they may have access to our pool of indispensible elitists who may be in need of organs transplants).
Reduce the demand for donor organs/transplants (Restrict or forbid organ transplantations and installation of electronic and mechanical gadgets such as pace-makers and all kinds of titanium joints for any persons with less than 9 years of life expectations which shall be calculated using current IRS actuary tables).
Eliminate non-health related services (Eliminate all TV, phone and other frivolous gadgets such as those diagnostic radiation/scan machines used at doctors offices, hospitals and ERs and replace them with a limited amount of uncomfortable hard benches).
Reduce the cost for hospital care (Eliminate private and semi-private rooms in hospitals and install efficient wards that hold 30-50 patients per ward and can be overseen and served by just six nurses).
Implement preventive health care (Restrict the use of cars or TVs/games for the obese via the ?smart net?. The afflicted will be monitored via the GP system and made to get off the couch, start to walk to the doctors, the hospitals and the grocery stores).
Implement efficient mental health care. (For patients suffering from one of the newly invented mental problems we will assign work or provide physical activities because it has been proven to be the best medicine especially for the depressed, manic depressive, compulsive disorders and all those afflicted with ADD and the other numerous diseases designated by an alphabet-soup)
Strictly supervise the efficiency of the services provided. (Install a committee that will decide via statistical cost-benefit analysis if defective fetuses must be aborted or if life support or medical care needs to be withdrawn for the terminally ill).
Improve the overall quality of life of the nation (Establish a committee responsible of defining ?Quality of Life? and the criteria to be used to terminate those lives that are no longer deemed to meet the quality standards)
I am certain you are able to extent that list of ?public options? that will achieve Obama?s goal to ?bend the cost curve? down significantly and make health care affordable for everyone.
The anti-NHS campaign in America though has to be seen to be believed. It's no wonder the US working class are so downtrodden, they're not so much colluding in their own oppression as carrying out their own oppression. Not since Britain in 1979 have I seen a group of people so frantically digging their own graves.
Oh, and by the way, your theophobic comments are truly ignorant.
rousing rally in a basketball arena
Wow, a whole basket ball arena ! (Palin could fill football stadiums and she was only running for VP)
No mention of the hundreds of thousands (even NBC says so) demonstrating in DC against Obama's policies - on the same day ?
A cultural shock was about that family that got into their car every evening and made their daily tour of four different fast food chains to satisfy each family members taste.
But what I remember most, after having grown up with american tv where everything was cool, positive, rich and doable, is that story of one fellow student who had lived in a family where the father happened to break his leg one day. He didn't have the $500 in cash to pay for the operation (they ate popcorn at the end of each month for lack of money) so he just stayed at home and left the bone to grow together again.
That's when I grew up in regards to my view on America. We all sat with an open mouth in class and were....shocked, really.
Since then I've learned how it works in America and from a german and european point of view it is to me incomprehensable how anyone could be refused medical help....for FINANCIAL reasons.
To me a state that cannot guarantee health care for every citizen is simply a failure in that respect. And it is a shameful and disgusting mentality not to want general healthcare.
Someone mentioned in a comment above that Ted Kennedy didn't go to the UK for treatment of his tumor. Why should he have? He had millions!
But that family father I mentioned earlier probably would have been glad and greatful at the time had he been in the UK. The day of his accident he would have come into a NHS hospital, had an operation and left it three days later. Then some physio for a few weeks and he'd been alright with a good functioning leg.That's what I expect a decent state and society to provide, never mind the taxes I pay. But the poor bloke lives in America!
Because I see an awful lot of fearmongering, and some totally STUPID comments here.
The truth about American healthcare: no one is refused emergency care. NO ONE!!! No one HAS to show a government card to receive emergency care, no one HAS to have insurance, no one HAS to have a credit card or cash. THIS IS THE TRUTH.
So why is health care expensive in America? A good question, if you can ask it. But, if you want to blame "religious, right-wing, Bush-loving, racist-sexist-homophobes," you're an a$$hole.
Here are the reasons:
1) Lack of tort reform: lawyers make billions suing Doctors. Every Doctor I know has had to fight court battles because of them, or had to pay outrageous sums for malpractice insurance. This cost gets passed on to customers. SOLUTION: Tort Reform
2) Congressional past actions (both State & Federal): HMO legislation (Teddy Kennedy), legislation requiring insurers to cover Viagra, etc., compliance laws which require legal teams to navigate through, Medicare, federal refusal to enforce border legislation, etc. etc. etc.
3) A growing illegal immigration problem where people use emergency care (which cannot be denied) for common colds. These costs have closed MANY emergency rooms in California due to unrecoverable costs.
Since a big part of our problem in the USA is the government action (and inaction), how can we trust government to take care of the problem? You people believe on one hand that trust in God is somehow indicitive of ignorance turn around and think POLITICIANS are the solution! What kind of fools are you?
Hurts does it not. But me. I love you all. Incidentally why do you spoil you dads?, family?s names. You have no names given to you by the nurses in the municipal hospitals. Ask me I have a dictionary.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla