'I can get my family back': immigrants driven out of Arizona return home

As the state's crackdown on illegal migrants is ruled unlawful, Guy Adams finds elation among the families who fled in fear

Protesters outside Arizona's State Capitol in Phoenix celebrate their legal victory against the crackdown on illegal immigration

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Protesters outside Arizona's State Capitol in Phoenix celebrate their legal victory against the crackdown on illegal immigration

When news of the last-minute injunction reached the crowd of protesters outside Arizona's state capitol in Phoenix, Patricia Rosas dropped to her knees next to a makeshift Catholic altar, crossed her heart, and said a quick prayer. Then she stood up, and gleefully announced to the world at large: "Now I can get my family back!"

On 4 July, Patricia had packed her daughter, Talia, son-in-law Raul, and three grandchildren into a battered pick-up truck outside their bungalow on the outskirts of Phoenix. After a tearful and very fond farewell, she waved goodbye as they set off on a seven-hour drive across the desert toward a new home and what they hoped would be a new life in California.

It was the latest chapter in a story which began 12 years ago, when Talia and Raul had slipped over the border into the US from Mexico, and had hit crisis point in April when Arizona's lawmakers passed of Senate Bill 1070, a controversial crackdown on immigration aimed at turfing out the estimated 460,000 foreigners living illegally in the State.

Under the proposed law, which required police officers to check the immigration status of anyone they suspected of being in the US illegally, the couple's daily life in Phoenix would have been overshadowed by the knowledge that their next visit to the supermarket or journey into work might end up with them being stopped, thrown into jail, and deported.

Like thousands of other undocumented workers, Talia and Raul decided to give up on Arizona and bring up their kids in a State where their existence wouldn't be constantly governed by fear. "You cannot live like that," said Patricia. "Talia and Raul have been in America for their entire adult lives. Their children were born here, so are therefore US citizens under the constitution. This is the family's home. They love this country, and are proud of it. Everything they have ever worked for is here. But under 1070, they would have been afraid to so much as drive to the shops or walk down the street."

Then, on Wednesday morning came big news: a local judge had decreed that 1070 would no longer be allowed to come into force when it was supposed to, at midnight that night.

Instead, under a temporary injunction, Judge Susan Bolton declared that opponents who had sued to stop it passing into law were "likely to succeed" with the argument that four elements of the bill represent an illegal infringement of the civil liberties of genuine American citizens, and would interfere with the right of the Federal Government (rather than individual states) to enforce immigration.

Barring a successful appeal, which will in any case is likely to take months to be heard and enforced, the Bill, which was supposed to provide a blueprint from US states seeking to crack down on illegal immigrants, is now dead in the water.

The ruling is a victory for President Barack Obama, who hopes to enact immigration reform later this year, and whose Justice Department was among the plaintiffs in the case. It was also warmly greeted by civil rights campaigners who had complained that some of 1070's draconian measures – including one that required even legal migrants to carry their ID papers with them at all times – would inevitably lead to the police officers racially profiling the Hispanic community.

Patricia, for her part, is looking forward to being reunited with Talia, Raul, and their children, with whom she has only spoken to on the phone during the past month. She says the couple plan to stay in California until the legal battle over 1070 is exhausted. Once that happens, they will return to Phoenix, where they both had manual jobs in the restaurant trade.

"I called Talia and said there's good news: she could come home and we could be together as a family again," says Patricia, whose son, another illegal immigrant, has also now cancelled plans to leave Phoenix. "This ruling has taken away so much fear. It has shown that as a community we can fight back against intolerance and fear, and be strong. Really, I am delighted."

Undocumented workers aren't the only ones who will be returning to Arizona now that 1070 has been thrown into legal limbo. The development will also take the heat out of a consumer boycott which began in April, shortly after the law was passed by the Republican-controlled state legislature.

No one knows exactly how many tourists cancelled planned visits, or simply failed to book holidays there during the controversy, which sparked a national conversation and in left-leaning circles turned Arizona into a pariah state. However the local Hotel and Lodging Association says that it knows of at least 40 business meetings or conferences that were called off, costing its members more than $12m.

"Other costs are harder to quantify, but our members have just had so many calls from people saying, 'We love your hotel and your destination, but the way things are, we just can't run the risk of scheduling an event here, because people might pull out and the press would be terrible,'" said a spokesman. "To give you an idea of the scale, though, the Sheraton in downtown Phoenix says the boycott has cost it $9m alone."

That's a big sum, even for an industry that employs roughly 200,000 people in the state's upscale hotels, golfing resorts and spas. "Our position has always been that a boycott would only hurt the people it was meant to help," added the spokesman.

"When people cancelled trips, it was the cleaners and reception staff, many from the Hispanic community, who stood to lose their jobs or have their shifts cut back."

Major cities such as Los Angeles and San Francisco, which had banned employees from travelling to Arizona and put a freeze on new business dealings with the state, are likely to reconsider their position.

A day of nationwide protest against the Arizona law went ahead as planned yesterday, but Judge Bolton's ruling dissipated much of the anger, particularly in Phoenix, where tens of thousands of demonstrators had been expected and acts of civil disobedience had been planned.

Leading members of Arizona's Latino community meanwhile called for the boycott to be lifted. Raúl Grijalva, a Democratic Senator who was one of the leading voices in favour of the original sanctions, said it was time to reverse the policy.

"After this ruling, everybody has some responsibility to pause – and that includes me," he said.

The name of Patricia's son-in-law has been changed at her request to protect the couple's identity

  • alexnevsky
    does the word illegal, mean anything to you leftwing slimeballs? the headline says it all; "immigrants driven out, return home." well who drove them out? could it be that they left of their own accord because they are living in america illegally? oh no, of course not! no, they have as much right to live in america as those "undocumented" migrants living in the run-down rat infested flat in hackney. christ, if you leftists get your way, we won't have a western civilization anymore. now i begin to see what drives the increasingly strong support for the far-right. just to think, you leftists will end up being the the very reason why nazism will make one hell of a comeback in the not too distant future.
  • Der_Zed
    what should our immigration policy be? because all I hear from the American left is 'nothing' which serves only corporations profiting from a workforce who they don't have to insure or pay normal wages. I am a hardcore leftist I suppose but what is the alternative being proposed by the (apparent) proponents of unregulated immigration? is it amnesty? if so, for all or just those without criminal records? what about babies born here to people who have knowingly violated US law? and what of people given amnesty: when they are forced to suddenly pay taxes, auto insurance and registration, etc. will the money they currently make suddenly be not enough? will they then seek higher paying jobs or resort to further criminality in the form of not paying or registering? what of the gang war at the border? these are questions I would like somebody, ANYBODY to answer. preferably before they resort to the vapid 'tea party' fight. its time for mature and focused discussion and nobody seems to be talking long term solutions, especially ones that have nothing to do with race and everything to do with whats best for America.
  • collinbrown
    Mexico belongs to the Mexicans. America, belongs to Americans. Why do Mexicans demand a God-given right to occupy soil that was never theirs to begin with? Americans make no such demand on Mexico - not that Americans would be welcomed in the first place - Mexicans despise Americans who enter their domain. Americans convicted of offenses inside Mexico rarely last a month in Mexican jails before they are killed by Mexican inmates for being American..

    I see nothing to celebrate here. Only one-way, liberal justice at work.
  • LasVegasrich
    So Patricia Roas thinks the authorities are being intolerant for wanting to have her and other illegal immigrants deported. What kind of reasoning is that? Countries have borders, people should respect them. Those who sneak across the border are committing a crime. In some countries they would be shot, or imprisoned. The Pima County sheriff thinks the law was unnecessary, because his deputies had always checked into the background of lawbreakers. Rosas claims they could have stopped her children walking to market, complete fantasy. The law stated that in the enforcement of criminal behavior, the police, if they found that the perpetrators were her illegally they would be turned over to the Border Patrol. Opponents of this law, want to put a welcome mat out for any and all foreigners.
  • collinbrown
    Afghant, I've taken the liberty of posting you a 36" chest straight-jacket. When you're cured, please feel free to pass it on to cardew, Indi Girl, Gary and BritAbroad if they are still around in 50 years or so.
  • Isn't it funny how liberals are the worst offenders of name-calling and stereotyping; such as ' KKK kooks' ? When there is no substance to their viewpoint, they always resort to juvenile verbal assaults that contribute zero to the discussion.
  • JohnnyReb10
    "Immigrants driven out"?!!!

    Come on Independent, you can do better than that.

    A) They're not immigrants, from a legal standpoint, since they have no standing under law. (i.e. They have no legal right to be there in the first place.)
    B) No one forced them out. They left on their own.

    Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon, but they're all missing the point. The moment that individual states start determining how to enforce federal law, you can have 50 different ways of looking at the same law. That's chaos... and well, the EU way of doing things.

    Immigration reform isn't happening this year or next year. The illegals have no right to be in the US, and they're not going to get it either. To give it to them is a slap in the face of everyone who goes about it the legal way and in the current economy, would be the single largest impetus to reviving the Republican party. It's an issue which even turns mild-mannered people into raving loons. Not a good idea.
  • collinbrown
    Stalin killed 30m. America is governed by the Lenin-worshiper Obama. He has surrounded himself with neo-Marxists. If the right don't put a stop to these communists 250m Americans could die in the (180 F.E.M.A) camps that have already been constructed. Are you part of this Gary?
  • collinbrown
    Curious; do explain?
  • collinbrown
    "-" or, '-' (inverted commas) imply question. You however, Gary, mistook the enclosed word 'logic' as a complimentary remark when nothing could be further from the truth.

    Clearly. some of you lefties skipped class. I guess I'll just have to dumb-down the syntax to a level you can comprehend. How sad. I was hoping for a little intellectual stimulus during the left/right war that's about to commence.

    I'll try not to embarrass you too often, old-boy, but I make no promises.
  • danoxford
    Am I an 'undocumented driver' if I use a car without passing a test, holding any insurance, obtaining an MOT or paying any road tax, or am I just plain driving illegally? These ludicrous rebranding exercises don't, in my mind, obscure the fact that if you have no legal right to do something or be somewhere, those that do have a right to ask you about your status and enforce the law.
  • SophiaH
    "Under the proposed law, which required police officers to check the immigration status of anyone they suspected of being in the US illegally,'" ... This is a blatant lie. The Law says a person must be stopped for a visible violation before ANY questions could be asked . NO racial profiling is allowed under the law and all officers went thru intensive training so as to always be exactly within the guidelines. So why do you still spread this biased crap?
  • I can imagine what his story did to someone who is already a raving loon like yourself. The people who are stoking the fires of intolerence and hatred are trying to revive the confederacy, which existed to protect the interests of the slave owning elites. It was soundly defeated during the American Civil War, and its race based agenda is being rejected anew.
  • I am really trying to be understanding of the "immigrants" suffering. Really. But enough is enough. These people do use our public services. They have supporters in every government office and know how to work the system. Their propaganda machine bombards us daily with sympathy articles such as this. (Funny, but all I see are immigrants playing the victim card.) They belittle our daily "inconvenience" as just that....an inconvenience uncomparable to the daily suffering of living in the shadows. Call me a racist if you like, but I don't believe it's wrong to be angry at the abuse of services by illegal immigrants? I am a good person. I give to charity as do so many Americans. In fact this nation gives more than any nation in the world X10. Our State and nation are suffering because of our charitable nature, but should we continue to be inconvenience because it benefits the lives of the suffering people who illegally exist in our country? God forbid that we divide a family who made the decision to have children while living in the shadows. We are such horrible peolpe to even think such thoughts. But what of their blanket statements? We grow and pick all of your food, take care of your children and do the jobs that Americans won't do! This land was stolen from Mexico. Blah blah blah!!!!!

    Those statement don't carry weight with people who live in the here and now. This nation is suffering and needs to get back on it's feet. When things get tight, we tighten up. There isn't anything wrong with it. It allows us to clean up the corruption and return things to order. We aren't Nazi's, bigots, racist. Just people who care about being law abiding citizen of the United States. By the way, my parent are legal immigrants who would never take what they didn't work for. They were my example for becoming a proud American citizen.
  • cardrew
    As usual the teabaggers continue to perpetrate lies to try and warp the truth. These extremists know they have very little support, that is why they try force real Republicans out of nominations, so the tea party can masquerade as Republicans. The sole purpose of this law was to try and force a rushed Immigration reform, so that Hispanics would vote against the Democrats in November. Obama is trying to keep families together, as there are many Hispanic families where one member is deemed illegal because the case has not been completed. The Immigration Authorities are years behind in processing applications, everyone should have a fair hearing if they have a case. The US Embassy in London would have taken 2.5 years to process my application (obviously a lot longer in Mexico where there are many more applications), hardly the best start to a marriage. The Government won a major victory by obtaining a judgement deeming the Arizona law unconstitutional as it is blatant profiling and discrimination. The odious parts of this draconian law were thrown out by a court in Arizona on Wednesday because they would have enabled racial profiling. The hate groups and WitchGovernor of Arizona will appeal, until they find a neocon judge. There are Millions of undocumented drivers in USA, often drivers with a suspended or revoked license. Most are poor, as the rich pay lawyers to have their convictions removed! I have to pay an extra premium on my auto insurance in case I get hit by one of these drivers. The various state authorities do little to stop this endemic problem. British tourists should avoid Arizona, it is a backward state (famous for white supremacists stockpiling weapons) that will harrass anyone that does not appear to be a white redneck. It is easier to visit the Grand Canyon from Las Vegas.
  • collinbrown
    Indy Girl. Like most Liberals, you use politically correct 'logic' and stale, left-wing rhetoric to stem and pour scorn upon the opinions and beliefs of those (who unlike yourself) see the importance and wisdom of maintaining borders, language and culture.

    Liberals argue that multiculturalism; homosexuality and diversity are ?beneficial? to the ?progression? of a mono-cultural society. Liberals deride the ideology of ethnocentrism - branding proponents as Nazi, Bigot, Racist, Fascist, Redneck, Republican, Conservative, Homophobe and so on.

    Rarely, do Liberal self-haters question, re-evaluate, or reflect upon the minority viewpoints they ram down the throats of good people.

    In effect, you Liberals really are the enemy within - the Trojan horse - whose mission is to destroy the society you too, are part of. Those who challenge your warped-vision of a non-cohesive mixed-race-society you brand as ?intolerant?.

    I must therefore conclude, that Liberalism is a mental disorder and the only relief for sufferers (that I can see) lies in the consumption of 1 bottle of whiskey per day.
  • collinbrown
    There is no historical context to your statement. Your attempt at branding me 'bigoted' reveals your reverence for neo-Marxist 'Liberal' ideology. BritAbroad. Like most Liberals, you use politically correct 'logic' and stale, left-wing rhetoric and unfounded statements to stem and pour scorn upon the opinions and beliefs of those (who unlike yourself) see the importance and wisdom of maintaining borders, language and culture. Liberals argue that multiculturalism; homosexuality and diversity are ?beneficial? to the ?progression? of a mono-cultural society. Liberals deride the ideology of ethnocentrism - branding proponents as Nazi, Bigot, Racist, Fascist, Redneck, Republican, Conservative, Homophobe and so on. Rarely, do Liberal self-haters question, re-evaluate, or reflect upon the minority viewpoints they ram down the throats of good people. In effect, you Liberals really are the enemy within - the Trojan horse - whose mission is to destroy the society you too, are part of. Those who challenge your warped-vision of a non-cohesive mixed-race-society you brand as being ?intolerant?. I must therefore conclude, that Liberalism is a mental disorder and the only relief for sufferers lies in the consumption of 1 bottle of whiskey a day.
  • The rabidly racist tea party movement comprises of the vilest of racist republicans and KKK kooks. Nothing else. Has anyone noticed the preponderance of essentially bible-thumpers, hee-haw red-necks and trailer-trash at these "meetings" or rather Klan gatherings? All of the US originally belonged to the Red Indians and South American natives whom the white man effectively terrorised, killed, marginalised and rendered persona non grata; and now the white man has the gall to build fences to keep out the very same people to whom the land belongs?
  • Hitler made almost identical speeches, and after coming to power he led his country to disaster. What your really afraid of is that your daughter and your granddaughter are going to marry someone of another race or ethnicity. They probably will. Genetic studies show that many people who consider themselves actually have ancestors who were nonwhite. Maybe women are attracted to them because people like you are obviously racially inbred and genetically inferior. The white race will like disappear completely in anothe couple of centuries. Maybe you and your friends should get lots of guns and go live in the mountains and marry your sisters, oops, you already do.
  • collinbrown
    Churchill (a Jew) carpet-bombed Dresden towards the end of World War II killing countless thousands on German civilians. So, what's your point Gary?
  • The last group of Johnny Rebs were a bunch of illiterates who fought to keep slavery so that they wouldn't have to work themselves. They got their asses kicked, and have been whinning about ever since. I realize that being white was your only claim to fame, but maybe you should try and get and education and start working instead of attending tea-bagger rallies. You don't want to revive the Republican party you want to revive the Confederacy, and it just isn't going to happen. Sarah Palin isn't going to lead you to the promised land.
  • Hard to reply to your illogical and bigoted statements. The far right is trying to use people fear and hatred of Mexicans in the same manner that Hitler and the nazis in Germany in order to come to power. Once in power they quickly led the country to utter ruin. I've lived in Germany and most are very vigilant against those who would use hate to achieve their ends, they do not want to make the same mistakes as they did in the past. They wont be fooled again. Rightwing Americans, however, are letting themselves be used by those who would enslave use by playing to the fears and prejudices of the uneducated whites who don't realize they are being played for suckers. Your a very useful tool of the neo-nazis and are willingly participating in your own destruction. Please don't try to take the rest of America with you on your journey to insanity and enslavement.
  • Great story. The story was awesome, informative and heartwarming... Basically stating Arizona's proposed law, which required police officers to check the immigration status of anyone they ...suspected of being in the US illegally -would no longer be allowed to come into force when it was supposed to. (((YEAH)))

    I don't know how my ancestors arrived here maybe they were slaves, wealthy explores, illegals but none the less... There is more than enough to go around in this world and the sooner everybody opens up and realizes the Universe is Unlimited- Our Creator is Unlimited the better.
  • EvolvedApe
    This is one-sided drivel, typical of the pathetic "reporting" by the Independent. There is much greater outrage AT the failure to control the borders, than at the pretty mild Arizona law. There are also perfectly legal ways to move to the US, so why support illegal activity. It is often much harder and more expensive for Europeans, or Japanese, to settle in the US, since most of those enter legally and apply for resident status as required by law. Why should it be any different for Central Americans? And if the Independent is so sympathetic, please start a campaign to open up England's borders to Africa and Central America.
  • Hoot_Gibson
    If nothing else it made Obama,s quake in his shoes.
    The draconian laws enacted by a local population in fear of being swamped by Mexicans and losing their cultural identity.
    Quite understandable, it is a phenomenon happening all over the Western world and until the leaders realise the human rights of native peoples are as important as those of illegal alien workers this type of savage laws will be tried to be enacted in the US especially, ( not in Europe where politicians put their heads in the sand terrified of being called racist).
    Resources and space are finite look at what is happening here in the UK projected population of 78 million by 2050 the largest in Europe all on a land mass the size of California it will become a concrete jungle riven with ghetto's.
    Unrest and protest will be inevitable until the politicians get it.
    We cannot listen to business demanding unchecked immigration just to get cheap labour and as one wit I heard say:
    "I do not want a mosque on every corner just so I can have cheap strawberries"
    Quite,
    That statement says it all for me and my fear we are being destroyed as a culture by unrestricted immigration, the pot is already full and overflowing.
    Look at the stress on all our services, health ,housing, education all being stretched to breaking point by mass immigration.
    When will the politicians get it? If they do not I foresee a rise in intolerance and violence until they do and serve them right.
  • cardrew
    The teabaggers may be being religious, however nobody would ever describe them as Christian, as they just spew hatred and oppression. Afghanistan was actually Bush's massive mistake. Many have probably forgotten that Bush attacked Afghanistan to find Bin Laden and the Taliban, apparently in the early days they were close to Bin Laden but were told to back off (don't want to capture Bush's former business associate, he might have some information to divulge). The Afghan war was going badly, so they went for a quick victory in Iraq. Obama was smart enough to leave Iraq, but I doubt whether the arms manufacturers will let him out of Afghanistan. Hopefully public opinion will eventually get USA and Britain to stop wasting their time in Afghanistan, but there is a possibility they are protecting territory for an oil pipeline.
  • Doesn't Fox News belong to Rupert Murdoch? As well as The Sun, Enquirer and other smutty stuff? Why in the world did Murdoch buy the Wall Street Journal? Perhaps to throw some respectability into that swill of rubbish he owns. But then again, other than reporting on the market, the WSJ always had a dismal record on reporting the truth about anything.
  • collinbrown
    North America remains resident to the 50m Europeans who began settling there from 1492. The post-1492 era known as the period of the Colombian Exchange is a less than pleasant entry in history but I won't discuss tha right now. The native Indians were indeed swept aside - but that fate has happened to hundreds of cultures who were colonised at some point in time including ourselves.

    The present occupiers of America are the de facto inhabitants of that soil. They have as much right as any settled people to defend what is presently their homeland from what they perceive, as an invasion.

    Your lefty-rhetoric (belief-system) is void of compassion for settled, cohesive-societies (right-minded-people). If you want a multicultural life, why don't you lefties chip-in and buy an Island or three to isolate yourselves from insular people like me who are truly content living, working and playing, among our own kind?
  • Britabroad1
    Actually, it was probably theirs to begin with. The US occupied Mexico City in 1847 and took control of Arizona. It is always a good idea to do a little research before making bigoted comments on articles such as these - it just makes you look like a chump. And of course, this injunction is something to be celebrated because it halts a proposed law which, had come into effect, would have been unconstituional and certainly unamerican.
  • My point is that your an ignorant chump who is being used to help create a neo-nazi America. Try reading a history book, even a rightwing nut can learn something, I hope.
  • YoAmigo
    HEY SEñORA PAY YOUR TAXES! What is it about living in America under capitalism you don't understand?? You want to live here unmolested? Pay your taxes.
  • JohnnyReb10
    I've gotten 16 likes, and you none. Probably have more education and, well, don't have to respond to anything else since you couldn't say anything about my argumentation. Thanks for playing. Next.
  • alexnevsky
    firstly, you admit what the left are trying to do to the US, and secondly,what country would you rather live in, the nation most mexicans would rather live in, aka the USA, or mexico? then ask yourself if perdition is the same thing as hispanification.
  • maias
    According to Jewish tradition, twelve tribes entered Canaan from Egypt and conquered it, led by Joshua approximately 1240-1200 BC - so the Jews can?t be the original inhabitants. Take your pick from the people named in Deuteronomy xx,16-18, in which God requires the Israelites ?to attack the cities of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Peruzites, Hivites and Jebusites and destroy every breathing thing - men, women, children and even animals?. I think you'll agree it's difficult to find any descendant of the above-named groups so the right of return cannot arise. Other nomadic groups doubtless survived this onslaught. But getting back to Arizona, the descendants of the original ?Mexican? inhabitants and native Americans are still around.
  • YoAmigo
    Hey Señora, PAY YOUR TAXES!

    You want to live in America without being molested?
    Pay Your Taxes.
    What is it about living under capitalism you don't understand??
  • And789
    Ha, ha, ha, what a hoot. Got any more posts like that? You sad man.
  • Agreed. All white people should be kicked out of N.America immediately.
  • mikedeburcher
    None of you have any clue of what is it like to live among the Illegal scum that has infested my state like the vermin they are. As far as the comment by Afgant below, it is convenient how you overlooked the "clovis people who were original white people who lived in the America thousands of years before the so called "native Americans" (Read history/anthropology you ignorant buffoon). The illegals who come to Arizona are turning a beautiful American state into a mexican shit hole, just like the place they came from. Complete with corruption, crime, drugs and squalor and abject poverty. They should be deported, and the ones who refuse should be exterminated like the vermin they are. They serve no useful purpose, and the USA economy does not need them. Wake up europe,you are being over run by muslims. It is time for a white homeland free of the less than human mud people. Keep America White!!! Sincerely, Mike DeBurcher Phoenix AZ USA
  • No need, they're all mouth and no trousers. :-)
  • aCaitlin
    Is this just rent-a-rant? You posted that in response to something unrelated further up too. (I would imagine because you were presented with a historical fact that didn't suit your...interesting interpretation of reality.) Can you not at least /pretend/ to have a response to the points being made to you? It's getting kind of embarrassing to read.
  • collinbrown
    I don't do gibberish Gary. Would you care to rephrase yourself?
  • And when you lose that battle will you please stop whinning.
  • The tea-baggers are just being good Christians. The only point I disagree with Obama on is his massive mistake on Afghanistan.
  • EvolvedApe
    @Indy Girl: I was merely referring to the recent polls in the US, most of which show majority support for the Arizona law. See, for example http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/27/cnn-poll-quarter-of-hispanics-support-arizona-law/?fbid=h1pJVi6SD3k For most it has nothing to do with racism, but with the reality that given limited resources, such porous border is unsustainable. @Gary: Why the personal insults? I am curious, what exactly do you object to in the law? When someone is stopped by the authorities for another reason, it allows a check of their legal status. The law would have exactly the same effect with respect to an illegal Swiss citizen, as it would to an illegal Mexican citizen. I would guess that if there were millions of Swiss citizens residing illegally in the US, you would have much less of a problem with checking their status. The bottom line is, the US is one of the friendliest to immigration countries in the world. Social services in border states are at the point of breaking, because of the increasing influx of illegal immigrants. The Feds don't want to deal with a political hot potato, so they basically sweep the issue under the rug. But the issue is here, it is getting larger every year, and someone has to deal with it.
  • Why on earth would you want to "embrace" me? Are you secretly gay, like most rightwing loonies?
  • collinbrown
    'points' imply thought, reason, argument. Until I see evidence of such, there's nothing worthy of debate. Lefty 'logic' AKA - stupidity, speaks for itself. No input is required.
  • Ian
    uanime5 says In the US they elect the judges as well. I point out that Judge Susan Bolton was not elected. Your point is???
  • I think you might wish to change your name to "barely evolvedape", as your comments reveal a rather limited intellect.
  • Ian
    OK so America isn't a democracy. I stand corrected.
  • Unfortunately, the nail you hit was embedded in your skull. I realize that the loonies on the right are trying to start a second civil war. I'm afraid you'll suffer the same fate as confederates. They too were used by the rich and powerful to fight their battles for them. You need to realized you are being played for suckers.
  • aCaitlin
    Ah, well, that's where you're wrong, because it's supposed to be a republic. I imagine now your ignorance has been shown up and corrected you'll be having quiet time for a bit.
  • Shame on liberals for using "logic" in their comments. They should use bigotry and hatred to suppor their arguements like the neo-nazis on the right.
  • collinbrown
    What you mean is, I've hit the nail on the head - and you, along with your liberal-thinking buddies hate the spotlight I'm putting you under.

    Tuff. Get used to it. I'm thinking about serialising 'Liberalism is a mental disorder' for free, on the Independent. Who knows, maybe I'll manage to empower/mobilise a few more 'right-wing-nuts' against you. Prepare for a 'proverbial' bloody nose or 10 you destroyer of mono-cohesive societies.
  • I think all you white lunatics should move to Israel where you and your rabid racism would be greatly appreciated.
  • I like you too Indy Girl. I hope you are carrying a nice stout stick or a solid cricket bat if you ever run into these right wing loons.
  • As an anti-imperialism, I think Arizona should have remained Mexican anyway.
    However, immigration to richer countries encourages both greater per capita consumption (the first thing many newcomers want is a car, and in the US that's likely to be a gas-guzzling SUV) and procreation, as newcomers take advantage of social welfare handouts.
    I suspect this is part of the Independent's pro-Cornucopia season. No, unlimited immigration and population growth are not sustainable on a finite planet and will lead to greater tensions, higher property prices, lower quality of life, greater reliance on imports, loss of individual liberties and ultimately internecine warfare... We need common sense and humility, not naked propaganda for a failed system. Stop growth now!!!
  • Tens of Thousands of Americns are permanent residents in Mexicao because they like the climate, the lower cost of living and the affordable health care system. I think an ideal solution would be for Mexico to send us their young families ready to work, and in return we would send them them our people ready to retire. The rightwing loonies would be sent to Texas, where they could shoot each other at will.
  • Sad , but true.
  • The people are able to elect those empowered to make such appointments. You must have gone to school in Texas in order to be so ignorant of how the American judicial system works.
  • Your quite insane; seek help immediately.
  • I think I love you. If I was thirty years younger, single, lived in Britian and didn't have 7 grandchildren I would propose marriage. Keep-up the good work of responding to these right-wing loonies. If the next group of nazis ever succeed the whole world will suffer.
  • So you finally admit that you and the other anti-immigration loonies are really a bunch of nazis. You are being used by the rich and powerful, who will hunt you down like the mad dogs you are once they gave gained power. Read the history of what the nazis did to their original supporters, the "Brown Shirts", once the nazis came to power. Pay special attention to the part about "the night of the long knives". You tea-baggers are being played for suckers, do you really think the bankers and corporate chiefs will ever let a bunch of white trash exist once they have destroyed our democratic government. Those of you not killed outright will be come slaves just like the rest of us. Be careful what you wish for. you just might get it.
  • nigelroberts
    "Immigrants return home". Immigrants? Rubbish! They are not immigrants since they have never engaged in any immigration proceedings. They are trespassers and poachers of public services. And as for "crackdown", what is cracking down in asking police to check someone's immigration status if arrested? Federal law has required that since 1937.
  • All those areas once belonged to the native Incas and Aztect before hordes of cruel Spanish people came over to kill them. Now why does it feel bad to be treated the same way your ancestors did to the native population ? Have a Taco and shut up !
  • Who is Mexico anyway? Nothing but a made up stolen country from the Native--Americans by the Spanish.
  • sean1122
    The law prohibited racial profiling, you apparently were not intelligent enough to read it before commenting.
  • Pity the United Nations couldn't bring in an official recognised passport for all those who just want to be universal citizens.
  • Ian you're a genius! Why even have a judiciary! Think of the money we could save!
  • Your mindless bigotry is your problem no one else's, Don't expect reality to change just for your benefit.
  • You've confused public opinion with the rabid reactionary racist views of the cretinous right wing media.
  • No, the "rubbish" is all these public services the undocumented allegedly "poach." Every independent study ever done suggests that because of their status, they actually contribute a LOT more per capita to the public coffers than they take away. That's a situation you'll often find the reverse of, when dealing with those good old right wingers who cry so much about undocumenteds "stealing" services-but can't be asked to pay even a DIME in taxes without them weeping and wailing.
  • cardrew
    Looks like you are trying to promote the Nazi party already! Sorry to drag you away from Fox News.
  • cardrew
    The laws were designed by a hate group FAIR, the Arizona extremists just went ahead and signed them. The law required racial profiling which is unconstitutional, the elected officials were not intelligent enough to see this. The Judge restored Democracy from the racist extremists.
  • cardrew
    By your logic America belongs to the native Indians, why are you on their land? Your phobic diatribe is typical hatemongering recital from Fox viewers. Millions of Americans enjoy a vacation in Mexico every year, so your narrow-minded opinions are unfounded.
  • You do realize that Mexico is also the product of European invasion? So, having Arizona Remain Mexican doesn't make it any less "imperialist"
  • It's a republic, Ian. Kind of like all those European countries.
  • Croydon
    According to reports on TV, some guys have been illegal for up to twenty years! Couple of months to a couple of years but over a decade? Plus having kids.... Amazing.
  • Ian
    On July 21, 2000, based upon the recommendation of U.S. Senator Jon Kyl from Arizona, Susan Bolton was nominated by President Bill Clinton to a District Court seat vacated by Robert C. Broomfield. She was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 3, 2000, and received her commission on October 13, 2000. Not elected.
  • And789
    That was my point. Half the world probably are illegal immigrants and Americans more than most. Glad you finally got it.
  • Ian
    Democracy : The electorate (demos) hold power. The term comes from the Greek: ?????????? - (d?mokratía) "rule of the people", which was coined from ????? (dêmos) "people" and ?????? (krátos) "power", If the system is working then it is undemocratic.
  • kiteysalamanca
    No it wasn't the best I could come up with but it was all your post deserved. If we follow your point of view half the worlds population, or more, qualifies as illegal immigrants.
  • jakem1
    Perhaps you need to take a civics class so you can understand how the separation of powers works. This is a case of the system working.
  • Mr_Chuds
    brilliant reort, i like it
  • uanime5
    In the US they elect the judges as well. Also judges can strike down any legislation that's deemed 'unconstitutional'.
  • And789
    Is that the best you can come up with? Though I suppose if you're American it's the limit of your vocabulary.
  • Pity the United Nations couldn't bring in an official recognised passport for all those who just want to be universal citizens.
  • spo1
    I want AZ Governor Jan Brewer to show papers to prove she?s a human being. I think it was FOX that did a show on extraterrestrials that live among us, and Governor Brewer does resemble some alien from a B Movie, ?Invasion of the Brain Snatchers?, right? I?ve have my suspicions about people like Jan Brewer, Mitch McConnell and Karl Rove because of their lack of human qualities. As far as the immigration issue goes? Republicans never made a big deal about immigration enforcement during Bush/Cheney but NOW all conservative hell is breaking loose? even though the Obama Administration is deporting MORE illegal?s than Bush ever did. Maybe we should adopt Ronald Wilson Reagan?s immigration policy (look it up morons) And funny how I didn?t hear NOT ONE WORD on the Cable News about AZ Gov. Jan Brewer?s connection with the Corrections Corp of America. Not to mention I could stop this immigration problem with one thing? ARREST ALL THOSE conservative business people WHO ARE HIRING THE ILLEGAL WORKERS! Republican Party = Hypocrisy On 7-28-10 I was watching Republicans on Morning Joe (MSNBC) preach about being ADULTS when it comes to our economic meltdown. I say BS! The real ADULTS are trying to demand accountability from those who got us in this financial mess. Republicans want to shift the burden of responsibility on Teachers unions and others in the American working class. I wonder if the spoiled Silver Spoons on Morning Joe knew how much they hurt Democrats, Progressives, Liberals when they didn?t challenge NJ Gov. Christie. NOW all over the internet the Conservative wacko groupies are swooning all over Christie like he was a rock star. Of course, because of these Republican low grade thought processes, the right wing monkeys now consider teachers, poor people and immigrants the biggest threat to our economy. What kind of Americans are stupid enough to believe decent wages/working conditions, regulation, Wall St. reform and making the rich pay their fair share are BAD THINGS! Republicans will take tax dollars away from grade schools to give BP tax breaks/subsidies. DON?T BELIEVE ME, you rightwing numbskulls, CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES! consciousmc.blogspot.com
  • Fayez79
    Who is America anyway, nothing only a made up stolen country from the Native-American whom as few mentions slaughtered left-right and centre. Americans are still out there still killing Afghani and Iraqi and so on... Yet they have the balls to talk about human-right, man o man this bog the hell out of me. All anyone need is look at their history, BLOOD and blood and more blood...
  • Ian
    So Arizona's laws, passed by elected officials, are overruled by a judge. I thought America was supposed to be a democracy.
  • brinksman
    good to see common sense prevail. Hopefully, this is the end of this right-wing agenda madness. www.millarcrime.com
  • ozwaldo
    Show me one nation or people on this earth who's history isn't blood, blood and more blood. I hate the USA as much as the next man but I'm not naive enough to paint them as some kind world encompassing terror that's worse than anything that ever has been before. That's just the way humans are no matter which nation it is.
  • gram64
    The Spanish were cruel, in many respects. However, they stopped the ghastly practice of mass human sacrifice that had been the principal feature of the biggest native regime they toppled.
  • kiteysalamanca
    oh for goodness sake!
  • And789
    Except for 'Native Americans' aren't all Americans illegal immigrants? After all, didn't your ancestors turn up uninvited? Take the resources of the indigenous population? Slaughter them? Wipe out their cultures? Steal their lands? You say that your parents are 'Legal immigrants', but legality is just a human construct. What is legal is not always the same as what is moral or right.
  • kendavies
    That's true, but does that mean they killed fewer people? Check the numbers.
  • kendavies
    Good point. Who are the descendants of the original inhabitants of the territory to which you refer? Do you agree, then, with their right of return?
  • If we had a media that wasn't controlled by fringe right wingers hellbent on bringing down this President, you'd learn that enforcement under Obama is at levels unseen under any other Presidency. he laws are being enforced pretty strictly along the border-but since that doesn't fit the lunatic right wing narrative, it won't be heard here.
  • gram64
    Is Hispanification the same as perdition?
  • Truly amazing they admit the are illegal immigrants so why are they suprised people want them out of their country, they should all be rounded up and shipped out to wherever they came from, in UK also, and bring the army out of the stupid wars they should not be fighting, and use them to gaurd all the ports, airports and any other means of sneaking in.
  • And all those areas once belonged to the native Incas and Aztect before hordes of cruel Spanish people came over to kill them. Now how does it feel to be treated the same way your ancestors did to the native population ! Taco got your tongue, Jose' ?
  • pelago
    I'd go back even farther to the Indian Wars. In that one, the similarity to the eastern Mediterranean tragic saga is more than striking, with the confiscation of ancestral lands and harsh treatment of the American Indians tribes - and the disdainful attitude towards them. Yes, we've seen it all before. History, in this case, repeats itself.
  • pelago
    Personally, I would not like to live, or settle down in a place where the public officials and locals go out of their way to make me feel unwelcome.
  • maias
    Let's not forget that California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico were once part of Mexico, and were lost in wars with the USA So basically this is another case of the descendants of settlers who took the land by force driving the descendants of the original inhabitants (including the native Americans) off their historical lands. Mmmmm. Doesn't this have a familiar ring to a certain eastern Mediterranean territory?
  • well looks like the usa is heading the same way as we allready are.
  • If the US lose the immigration battle, then the US will definitely be on the road to perdition! wfol.tv
  • Zzarzax
    The ruling could cause more headaches than it solves as now that the judge has decided immigration policy is the government's territory, if it fails to take measures to stop the illegal immigrants entering Arizona, the state can sue the government and as everyone knows they sue big in the US. It also means all the costs associated with illegal immigrants can be passed on to the government, that includes schooling, health and welfare.

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