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'Shut up about Chavez the killer' Venezuelan co-star tells Sean Penn

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles

Chavez welcomes actor and director Sean Penn aboard the presidential plane

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Chavez welcomes actor and director Sean Penn aboard the presidential plane

The saccharine conventions of showbusiness were thrown out of the window last week, when the Hollywood actress Maria Conchita Alonso was collared by paparazzi and asked if she was pleased about her former co-star Sean Penn's recent Oscar victory.

"He's an amazing actor. I can't take that away from him," she said of Penn, who worked with her on the 1988 cop film Colors. "It's just that he has no clue at all what's going on in Venezuela. He's been praising Hugo Chavez, who is a dictator and a killer. He should shut up about what he doesn't know." Alonso, who was raised in Venezuela, was apparently upset by a glowing article that Penn had written for The Nation magazine about her homeland's charismatic but increasingly dictatorial left-wing President.

In normal circumstances, Alonso's interview might have been brushed under the carpet. But for the first time a Hollywood insider was saying what much of America thinks: left-wing luvvies in the movie business should wake up to the real nature of their hero. For one thing, Mr Chavez throughout his career has criticised Hollywood as a medium of American "cultural imperialism". And Penn, who since his Oscar-winning performance in Milk has become a vociferous gay rights activist, is also open to allegations of hypocrisy. The Venezuelan leader's political hero, Fidel Castro, imprisoned and executed gay men, and once declared: "In this country [Cuba] there are no homosexuals."

Penn has plenty of company. On Thursday, Benicio del Toro made headlines when he took tea with Mr Chavez at his palace in Caracas. The actor, in Venezuela to promote Steven Soderbergh's film Che, told journalists that his host was "nice" and that he'd "had a good time". Del Toro's comments caused apoplexy on the political right in the US, but lately even Democrats have been perturbed by Mr Chavez's intolerance of media criticism and political opposition.

Last month, through a referendum, Mr Chavez managed to alter the constitution to allow him to run for as many terms of office as he likes, and last week he caused further ructions by nationalising a rice mill owned by the US agricultural giant Cargill. He has frequently threatened to halt all oil exports to the US, and to seize the assets of American petroleum firms with operations in Venezuela.

Other Hollywood liberals face public criticism, most notably Oliver Stone, currently filming an adulatory authorised biopic of Mr Chavez. Stone could be joined in the pillory by Danny Glover, who was given $18m by Mr Chavez in 2006 to make a left-leaning film about Haiti's 19th-century leader, Toussaint Louverture. Harry Belafonte sparked outrage two years ago when he appeared on a platform with Mr Chavez to call George Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world".

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It is not necessarily so !!!
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 01:12 am (UTC)
Most people from Venezuela would not agree with hollywood actress Maria C Alonso ( never heard of her anyway).Mr Chaves is in office because he's been voted in. Is that a problem? That is how democracy works, isn't it? She cannot take that away from him. That would be dictatorship as far as Democracy is concerned.
Re: It is not necessarily so !!!
[info]shotgun285 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC)
But is it really a democracy when most of his supporters are poor people that have been promised the world in return for thier votes? That's vote buying, and as such is not part of a true democracy.

The left will always promise the "have-nots" of the world everything under the sun to get into power, and Hugo is no different. Neither is Obama for that matter. Hugo and Obama will drive the economies of thier respective countries into the ground before they admit their philosophy is flawed, or that once you've fleeced all the rich people, there won't be anyone left to pay for the false promises that got them into office in the first place.

God forbid someone tells them to get off their collective lazy asses and earn what they want or be satisfied with what they already have.
Re: It is not necessarily so !!! - [info]lydiashaxberd - Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 08:06 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not necessarily so !!! - [info]illuminatikorp - Monday, 9 March 2009 at 03:15 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not necessarily so !!! - [info]ejh16 - Monday, 9 March 2009 at 09:59 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not necessarily so !!! - [info]edvad - Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:06 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not necessarily so !!! - [info]thenormaleye - Monday, 9 March 2009 at 03:19 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: It is not necessarily so !!! - [info]copycat7 - Monday, 9 March 2009 at 04:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Chavez
[info]yambas wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 01:17 am (UTC)
Come on Sean,you are making us lefties look like gullible idiots.
GUESS WHAT ??? !!!
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 01:37 am (UTC)
"A referendum (plural referendums or referenda), ballot question, or plebiscite (from Latin plebiscita, originally a decree of the Concilium Plebis) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to either accept or reject a particular proposal. This may result in the adoption of a new constitution, a constitutional amendment, a law, the recall of an elected official or simply a specific government policy. The referendum or plebiscite is a form of direct democracy ideally favouring the majority."(wikipedia)
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING A LIBERAL OR WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT A REFERENDUM? COME ON, PEOPLE CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES, DON'T YOU THINK?


Re: GUESS WHAT ??? !!!
[info]pilgrim1776 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 07:39 pm (UTC)
People can think for themselves?, I don't think so. Very few, after having been dumbed-down effectively by the government schools and the totally, controlled media, are capable of thinking with any logic, sensibility or reason.
When the communication system(s) became advanced, the thinking capability of mankind went down enormously. More people can discuss TV shows, sports, crime and whatever else the media displays, but when government or the philosophies are introduced there is a lull in the conversation.
It is easy to slide backwards when nothing of intelligence is bombarded across the controlled media!
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 01:41 am (UTC)
"A referendum (plural referendums or referenda), ballot question, or plebiscite (from Latin plebiscita, originally a decree of the Concilium Plebis) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to either accept or reject a particular proposal. This may result in the adoption of a new constitution, a constitutional amendment, a law, the recall of an elected official or simply a specific government policy. The referendum or plebiscite is a form of direct democracy ideally favouring the majority."(wikipedia)
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING A LIBERAL OR WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT A REFERENDUM? COME ON, PEOPLE CAN THINK FOR THEMSELVES, DON'T YOU THINK?


Chavez is no friend of the poor
[info]thunderhart2 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:43 pm (UTC)
Brazil2009, et al,

Nothing wrong with referenda or being a liberal, since I am a US liberal Democrat myself. But, just like his idol Castro, Chavez is no democrat. Consider all the things he has done, which if only his name was George W. Bush he'd be condemned for:

1) Chavez, as a junior military officer, led a bloody coup attempt in 1993 that attempted to overthrow a democratically elected President.

2) Chavez was later released by court order (itself highly questionable, I would argue, given that civilians died during his coup attempt) and won the Venezuelan presidency in 1998.

3) Since then, he has repeatedly revised the Constitution, first to enable himself to run for a second term in office, then to move Venezuela to an officially-mandated socialism. But he was careful to first pack the Venezuelan Supreme Court with his supporters before making any of these moves.

4) The referendum he "won" recently (there is plenty of evidence that the electoral commission, completely under Chavez's control, made sure to swing the result) was his SECOND attempt in fourteen months to enable indefinite re-election for himself. Why the need for the second referendum if he failed in the first attempt? Had not the people already spoken on the matter? I put this question specifically to all those saying Chavez is a democrat respecting the will of the people.

5) Yes, in 2002 or so there was a right-wing attempted coup against Chavez that the Bush Administration quite foolishly supported, rhetorically. To condemn that coup attempt does not remotely mean Chavez is the hero of the day.

6) Oil exports from Venezuela pre-Chavez were 64% of that country's income. Now they are 92% and climbing, even as oil prices have collapsed. In other words, he has made his country MORE dependent on oil as its primary source of income, not less so. If this is a case of President Chavez preparing his citizens for non-oil-related work through better education and whatnot, at a minimum it clearly is not working.

http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2009/01/now_the_bill_comes_due_for_cha.html

7) Despite his supposed championing of Venezuela's poor, violent crime against the poor has exploded during Chavez's now ELEVEN years in power.

Replace Mr. Chavez's name with Mr. Bush's in all but #5 above, and if it were Mr. Bush distorting democracy in the U.S. in the manner Mr. Chavez has done so in Venezuela, the left would be apoplectic and properly so.

Chavez can trumpet his horn all he likes, but he's just the newest version of the same old tired Latin American strongman, this time justifying his abuses and increasingly authoritarian rule in the name of the poor. That Fidel Castro is Chavez's hero is in itself an indicator of where he's going -- 50 years now and running for the Castro Brothers' dictatorship since they swept into Havana promising to "restore democracy" and the Cuban people are still waiting.
Re: Chavez is no friend of the poor - [info]kar3less - Monday, 9 March 2009 at 03:57 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Chavez is no friend of the poor - [info]il_767 - Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 03:00 am (UTC) Expand
inner character?
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 01:55 am (UTC)
There is something a bit theatrical about Mr Chaves,no doubt ; but still some of what he says is not rubish at all. Actually, many people would agree that there was something odd about George Bush to say the least.
And I am not pointing my finger at his physiognomy. No further comments.




[info]disorientator wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 02:12 am (UTC)
Why is anyone taking lessons in foreign politics from Pandora? Guy's good at what he does, but that aint geopolitics.
Penn the megalomaniac!
[info]arthurshort wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 04:52 am (UTC)
I couldn't agree with her more. Penn thinks he's a demigod who has some sort of sway in the world of geo- politics. His megalomania will get him in the end,
Chavez
[info]fredrickvonbisk wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 05:53 am (UTC)
The key word here is referendum. Chavez is not a dictator, he was voted in by the Venezuelan people. The referendum was voted on by the Venezuelan people. That obviously makes any claims of dictatorship invalid. Lots of wealthy people in Venezuela don't like him, because he's disturbed their "natural" right to all the wealth whilst they've been keeping most of the population in abject poverty.

He has turned that around, that is why he is so popular. The powers that be in the West don't like him because they identify with the wealthy ex-ruling class. Too bad. He's a larger than life exhibitionist showman, but there's no denying that his heart is in the right place and that he is trying to look after the interests of the people, despite every attempt by the wealthy opposition and their Western enablers to put the boot in.
More power to him.
Re: Chavez
[info]slowit wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 05:15 pm (UTC)
and I'm fully convinced that Chavez does not know where all the voters live and does not adhere to that old communist saying:
"it's not important who the people vote for, but who counts the votes"
oh, and according to the lefty-luvvies here, probably the soviet union was a democracy, with astoundingly uniform voting patterns, i.e. 99.8% for the beloved leader (or syria or cuba or .... the list goes on and on).
the anglophone press just loves putting 'shuts up chavez' in the headlines dont they?
[info]anonimf wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
Maria Conchita Alonso? pathetic. is this the best hit piece you could come up with? some upper class b movie actress who's completely irrelevant in venezuelan politics, both pro and anti gov, throwing childish insults at sean penn because of some article he wrote in a third rate liberal mag? you might have bothered to mention that her brother took part in a military coup in venezuela that made the head of the chamber of commerce unelected president, abolished the democratically elected congress as well as the electorally ratified constitution. maybe that plays a little role in marias distaste for the "dictator" chavez. oh, but if only venezuela could be free like britain with its beloved monarchs and its compassionate democracy-loving political elites with their outfits labour and the tories - parties representing the best and most uncorrupted ideals and interests that surely latin america yearns to emulate again (as it had for most of its free existence).
Re: the anglophone press just loves putting 'shuts up chavez' in the headlines dont they?
[info]dicksmiff wrote:
Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 03:19 am (UTC)
good shot!
[info]stevvi wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 07:14 am (UTC)
God forbid that anyone should distribute the profits made from the land to the people of that land rather than to private companies. They must be some kind of mad dictator!
[info]canadastan wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 11:29 am (UTC)
It's been tried.
Somehow it all goes horribly wrong time after time.
See North Korea.
It's been tried. - [info]ivan_avery_frey - Monday, 9 March 2009 at 12:19 pm (UTC) Expand
defence against USA
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 07:22 am (UTC)
Chavez is man like Castro, defencing this rights and land against past US Presidents who put sanctions on Cuba just because they cannot get their own way to spread their democracy, as been seen in both GW I & II.
Let us not forget all the trouble caused by the USA in the Latin America countries over the years.
The Complicity of the Emigres in Starving their own People Back Home
[info]khaled_bizri wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
Not many rational people would fall for the continued demonization of Latin American leaders who are offering their people a better life than their counterpart in Western countries - despite the angst of the emigres.

So far, no statistic, UN or CIA, demonstrated that Chavez is any thing but a capable leader of his people or at least the majority of them who voted him in power twice, and by the looks of it will do so for a third time next year.

So, spare us the diatribe of emigres who are themselves responsible for the 45 year blockade that caused hunger and suffering in Cuba - while they were complaining about Dr. Castro and his ill-treatment of his people.



Democracy
[info]mnjrupp wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
Democracy can be defined as such:
3 wolves
1 sheep
voting on what to eat for lunch!

If one has power over the press and can talk with a silver tongue;
then one can take advantage of a democratic (mob rule) government.
A democracy has also been called a suicide pack; sooner or later it will kill itself.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson
Re: Democracy
[info]paul999 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 09:01 am (UTC)
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson

If only that was true, here in the UK it was 22% of the electorate at the last election. 78% of the electorage didn't vote for labour. Of course you can arge that the 40% who couldn't be bothered to get of their arses deserve everything they get.
[info]brinksman wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 09:16 am (UTC)
Maria is as right-wing as Thatcher. This isn't the first time she has opened her silly little mouth in all the wrong ways.


So if Chavez is so great...
[info]thenomen wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 09:42 am (UTC)
...why didn't he rely on periodic election, rather than having to enact permanent presidential authority for the rest of his life? He's fixing it. He is authoritarian, and really wants to direct the trip rather than a situation of real freedom and empowerment of the people - in particular the indigenous Indians. He wants control. Rather than you having control as individual and community as in an anarchist collective setting (not asleep blairite/tory zombie living in semi police state or anything - having to write carefully in an age of truthspeak abd blag). I find his constant smile annoying and creepy also. An egoser. Taking people for dimwits. Hes getting fat also. Why does the socialist 'glorious leader' have to be Chavez for goodness sake? - he's an egoser, see. Pathetic really.
Re: So if Chavez is so great...
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:24 pm (UTC)
It IS periodic re-election, if I'm not very much mistaken: it removes a limit on how many ELECTED terms a given president can serve..
Chavez has cut poverty in Venezuela in half since 2003
[info]eferrari wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 09:49 am (UTC)
per the UN. And extreme poverty by 75%. No wonder the oligarchy hates him.

There are a lot of right wingers like Alonso who throw around words like "dictator" and "killer" because it's easy although they have no basis whatsoever in reality.
Funny sort of dictatorship
[info]skyemartyn wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:14 am (UTC)
So how many democratic elections has Chavez won to date? How many have been flagged as free and fair by international monitors such as the UN? How many dictators allow free and fair elections in their countries? How many dictators allow a mass media to openly support coup attempts in their countries? How many dictators give provision in the consitution for removal mid term, by election? Even we in the UK can't do that....we have an appointed Prime Minister!

Yep, Chavez really is a daemon, he has built a whole new brand of dictatorship......democratic dictatorship!

But crucially, why not ask (and Chavez's detractors never ask) - how come the overwhelming majority of Venezuelans keep electing this man, in thier millions if he is such a tyrant? Poll after poll, at free and fair elections, he just keeps winning! Some may not like the way he does things, but at the end of the day the majority vote him in office. The oppositions should get over themselves, quit moaning and start co-operating if they want to gain respect from the majority of ordinary people who live in Venezuela.
Sean penn
[info]capo777 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:48 am (UTC)
Whats the big deal? Bush is the biggest mass murderer in history,and plenty of famous people have been seen with him.Bush and his cronies have created this atmosphere of radicalism and hatred around the world,Hugo chavez wouldnt exist but for the likes of Bush and co..
Re: Sean penn
[info]canadastan wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
Uh, no.
Bush is not the biggest mass murderer in history and if he is so bad why would you have to resort to lies?
Can't you think logically?
Re: Sean penn - [info]capo777 - Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:27 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]teenagelicks wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 11:34 am (UTC)
Alonso has been working in Hollywood since the early 1980s, what can she possibly know about real life as a Venezuelan, a lot has changed in Venezuela since she got her break, she's just subscribing to the anti-Chavez hype which was started by the U.S. who just want to spread their form of democracy regardless of what everyone else thinks, there isn't a single socialist country in the world which the U.S. don't consider to be an "evil dictatorship". Oh and one more thing, Maria Conchita Alonso was born in Cuba, two years after the revolution, her family got out about four years later, so she was obviously raised by an anti-socialist family.

Wake up people, one Venezuelan actress has something bad to say about Chavez, and it's just another excuse to criticise the man. Anyway personally I trust Sean Penn's opinion more than Alonso's, face it, she's awful, when someone's been acting for over thirty years, been in over fifty films, and yet the best thing they've had is a co-starring role in Predator 2, that's when you know they're in the wrong business.
simply another terrorist
[info]larryt1118 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 11:58 am (UTC)
penn, like many of the hollywood elites are quick to run their mouth about things they know nothing about. yes, chavis won election by killing or imprisoning his opposition and threatening anyone who would stand against him. probably had thousands of dead people voting for him like Obama with the help of ACORN. I hope Penn ,moves down there with him, maybe we could get some good movies from hollywood, that aren't just pc correctness gone mad.
Re: simply another terrorist
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:28 pm (UTC)
I have to denounce your comment about "chavis"'s way of winning re-election as a complete fabrication. Did you make it up or did you ape someone else's nonsense, that is the only question.
So American actors know all about world politics?
[info]geedubyaw wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
I am so sick about these American idiot actors that think just because they are famous in their own little world that they can tell the rest of the world what to think! I believe that Penn is on the Lords short list as a homosexual activist: Homosexuality is an abomination to God and making the movie Milk is just a sick sick promotion of that deathstyle. Average age of male homosexuals is around 40 years old because of disease or domestic violence by their 'lovers.' Repent Penn or you'll 'be on fire' for the Lord. Read Romans 1:24-32
Re: So American actors know all about world politics?
[info]lorrainew wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:50 pm (UTC)
I wonder how many people who suggest that Chavez is good for Venezuela have actually visited the country before and after his term in office. Although some of his programmes have undoubtably been very effective for the poorer people, education and health care, much of the infrastructure of the country has fallen apart. The roads are appalling; local services such as rubbish collection are sporadic; new housing projects are sporadic and often incomplete. There is no thought through planning but much hype and fanfare about what will happen. The auditing of the government finances has also stopped.What should one think of a leader who has a weekly whole day TV show where he wanders around his house rabbiting on to his audience or sacking people who had not previosly been told they were to lose their jobs. He has also taken over nearly all newspapers and TV stations. Many people in Venezuela back the redistribution of the country's oil wealth but want it done in a more open and accountable way.
Talking of abominations... - [info]neilmc - Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 09:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: So American actors know all about world politics? - [info]giorgionyc - Thursday, 12 March 2009 at 08:37 pm (UTC) Expand
Penn
[info]jdcincy wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 02:20 pm (UTC)
The proper term for this clown is "useful idiot".
How sad are the British?
[info]brad_ohio wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 03:45 pm (UTC)
Half of the comments here defend Chavez, is this indicative of British thinking in general or did the Stalinist faction of the Communist party decide to have all of its members respond? What's up next -- a lively debate on the merits of Mugabe? Chavez has maintained power for only one reason, he has had oil wealth to squander and he better pray that oil gets back up to over $ 85 a barrel or he will bankrupt his single commodity country -- but this time there will be no entrepreneurial class to pick up the pieces. Chavez is just one of a long line of tinpot dictators in South America, achieving notoriety instead of approbation for only one reason: he is on the left. He is only further sad proof that dictatorships of both the right and the left impoverish their citizens and destroy what little social cohesion these societies have.
Re: How sad are the British?
[info]joe_london wrote:
Monday, 16 March 2009 at 10:42 pm (UTC)
In general, the view of Chavez isn't a question of affiliation to a political wing for the British public. It's more to do with hypocrisy. Is it a coincidence that American criticism of South American "tinpot dictators" is relatively muted when they are right wing and guaranteeing American oil at the expense of the education and health of the poorest in their societies?
But OK, maybe you're right, maybe we are a little too left wing here, relative to you. We need to learn a lesson from across the Atlantic where nearly half of the electorate (46%) voted for a Republican ticket on which there was that great right wing thinker Sarah Palin.
casey
[info]casey007 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 04:12 pm (UTC)
Chavez is a dictator, murderer, communist, liar, power-hungry, evil man. Alonso had it right, but the conduct Penn shows is what much of the left-leaning wacko's of Hollywood have been showing for decades. Did not Kevin Costner and many others praise Castro? Did not Jane Fonda not say she sees nothing wrong with communism and consort with the enemy many years ago? The list goes on and on. These people are treasonous, elitists who have no clue what America and real life is all about. They have no respect for what is good, moral and decent. I swear they are not even from the same planet as sane people.

And for those of you defending the tyrant Chavez, elections can be fixed (and people can be stupid as shown by the recent elections in the US) and the fact that he managed to secure power for himself indefinitely is horrifying. Nothing new, but still horrifying. Term limits are badly needed more now than ever.
Re: casey
[info]chanch5 wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:38 pm (UTC)
Jane Fonda "consorted with the enemy"...That makes her bad in your book...

In 1940s Germany Jews were the enemy. Respect to Jane Fonda for standing up for what she believed in and having dealings with people whose crime was to have been targeted by Japanese French and US colonial military powers.
Re: casey - [info]il_767 - Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 03:07 am (UTC) Expand
The Peeved Rich of Latin America
[info]oatc wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 07:26 pm (UTC)
What a gloriously one-sided account of the way the spoiled, non-Amerindian, Hispanic upper-classes feel about the growing equality and development in Latin America. Who is Chavez supposed to have killed? Does the Independent think Hollywood is not imperialist? Does the Independent not know that Cuba is now probably the most racially and sexually liberal country in the Americas south of the 49th Parallel?

And how strange for The Independent to host comments claiming that providing universal healthcare is buying votes, and therefore undemocratic. Guess that means the US is the only democracy amongst the industrialised nations, eh?
Re: The Peeved Rich of Latin America
[info]adam63 wrote:
Monday, 9 March 2009 at 02:56 am (UTC)
(1) Whom did Hugo Chavez ever kill?
(2) When did Fidel Castro ever execute a gay man for being gay?
(3) What is the term limit for British prime ministers?

Re: The Peeved Rich of Latin America - [info]colibri1 - Tuesday, 10 March 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC) Expand
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