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Witch hunts, murder and evil in Papua New Guinea

A tide of torture and killing of innocent women linked to 'sorcery' and the 'dark arts' is overwhelming the nation's police. Ramita Navai, in Port Moresby, reports

Witch-hunters in Papua New Guinea

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Witch-hunters in Papua New Guinea

Nearly all the residents of Koge watched as Julianna Gene and Kopaku Konia were dragged from their homes, to be hung from trees and tortured for several hours with bush knives. No one came forward to help. In the eyes of the villagers, the women were witches. They deserved to die.

"They used their powers to bewitch a man to death," said Kingsley Sinemane, a community leader. "We had to get rid of them, as they could have killed others. We had to protect our village."

The finger of suspicion fell on the women after a local man died in a car accident. The only sign now of the horror that unfolded in this remote Papua New Guinea village is a black, charred clearing where some dozen homes once stood. Fear of the supernatural and the stigma of being branded a witch is so great that around 30 of the victims' relatives were chased out of the village. Upturned shoes and a few bundles of clothes are all that remain of their former lives. Most of them had nowhere to flee to, as word had spread they were related to so-called witches. They are now forced to live in slums in the nearest town.

A shocking increase in witch-hunt deaths in Papua New Guinea has prompted the government to launch a parliamentary commission of inquiry with a view to toughening the law. Joe Mek Teine, the chairman of the nation's law reform commission, has publicly declared that sorcery killings are "getting out of hand". Most witch hunts happen in the Highlands, the remote mountainous interior wracked by centuries of tribal wars and blood feuds. Contact with the outside world was only established in the 1930s, when some of the many ethnic groups were still living stone-age existences. Although there are no official statistics on sorcery killings, more than 50 were reported to the police in just two Highland provinces last year.

The homicide squad at Kundiawa police station in Simbu, a steep, rugged province believed to be the epicentre of the witch hunts, is struggling to cope with the surge in murders. Detective Inspector Blacky Koglame estimates there are up to 20 killings a month in this area alone, most of which are not reported. Witchcraft is a secretive and taboo subject, so people are often too scared to come forward.

A worrying new development is that the crime, which has historically been a rural phenomenon, is now spreading to urban areas as families are driven out of villages by poverty and tribal fighting, and into towns and cities. Mount Hagen, the largest city in the Highlands, has recently been rocked by a wave of witch killings, and there have even been cases reported in the capital, Port Moresby.

Belief in black magic is so ingrained that the government legally recognises sorcery, under the 1976 Sorcery Act. It permits white magic (healing or fertility rites for example) but the so-called black arts are punishable by up to two years in jail. This has resulted in murderers alleging the use of black magic as provocation and securing reduced sentences.

Branding someone a witch is a crime, but Detective Koglame estimates that fewer than 1 per cent of cases end up in court. Even when witnesses do come forward, he admits the police simply do not have the resources to investigate.

"Sometimes we have to borrow pens and paper from complainants in order to file our reports, and we can't always get to crime scenes as we don't have enough petrol money for the police cars," Det Koglame said. "And anyway, arresting people is very hard. Everyone in the community is usually involved, so you can't just go in looking for suspects, as you'd have to arrest the whole village, and that's impossible."

Those accused of sorcery are sometimes tried in local kangaroo courts, with tribesmen and village councils handing out death sentences. The killings are mostly committed by groups of men who first torture so-called witches to make them "confess" to their crimes and force them to name other "witches". Some villages even have groups of vigilante killers who will strike as soon as a suspect is named.

In one area deep in the Highlands a team of eight "witch hunters" claim to have tortured and killed 18 people between them. "Mostly a witch hunter just collects information from any village where there is a problem, and then we go in and collect those people who are suspected of being witches," said the leader of the group, a man with a reputation as a violent local gangster who refused to be named. "It is part of my culture, my tradition, it's my belief. I see myself as a guardian angel. We feel that we kill on good grounds and we're working for the good of the people in the village," he said. Witch hunts nearly always occur after a death or an illness of a community member. "Natural causes for death or illness are just not accepted," said Pastor Jack Urame, a researcher at the Melanesian Institute and one of the country's leading experts on sorcery killings. "So whenever someone dies in a village, a person must blamed," he said. According to Mr Urame the victims are typically older women or women on their own, who have no extended family to defend them. Witch hunts can also be used as a pretext to settle scores or land disputes he said.

Umame Gamano survived a witch hunt after she was accused of causing her husband's death. One of her daughters helped her to escape a baying mob armed with bush knives after she had been hauled before a community gathering at which villagers urged her to confess to being a witch. Ms Umame fled the village, leaving her children behind and has not seen them since the attack that happened over a year ago. Her attackers were her own relatives and have threatened to kill her children if they visit her.

"I don't know why they think I'm a witch and I don't understand why they think I killed my husband," she said. "I loved him so much."

Unreported World: Bush Knives and Black Magic, Channel 4, tonight, 7.35pm

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Hard to know how to read this story
[info]smkinney wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 05:08 am (UTC)
Tens of thousands of women are raped and killed every years in military actions, in advanced, capitalist urban centers, in rural hinterlands; in Christian, Muslim, and Hindu nations. And yet what makes this story "newsworthy" is that it involves Witchcraft - 'those curious stone age men with their primitive views'. I wonder if this narrative was missing altogether - if they were just women, tortured and murdered in New Guinea - would this story have been written? [Doubtful]

Point being that this is a ever-present and all-too-common - irrespective of the civilized/uncivilized framework that determines this reading, and that should be enough to warrant these crimes as the occur, in New York, Moscow, Johannesburg, Mexico City, Sydney, Mumbai, Spokane, Cambridge.....
Re: Hard to know how to read this story
[info]smkinney wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 05:16 am (UTC)
Wow - apologies for the poor editing - the crimes, in of themselves, are enough to warrant their REPORTING, wherever they happen. The reasoning (witchcraft), and it's "stone-age" mentality, is the hook for this story, not the atrocities committed, which happen everywhere.
Re: Hard to know how to read this story
[info]wilox wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 08:56 am (UTC)
What a dick head you are.
Re: Hard to know how to read this story
[info]whiterabbi7 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 12:05 pm (UTC)
smkinney - you're right - why on earth should you care if there is a nation thousands of miles away that practices routine torture and murder at a rate of up to 20 women a month? I mean, more people die in road crashes.

Ian Thomlinson? Not worth mentioning really- I mean there are countless people dying of AIDS in Africa so what does a newspaper seller's death really matter?

Fred West managed what? 11 kids? That's a mere blip on the teenage mortality rate, so why all the fuss?

And you're right about Cambridge - last time I went there, the stench of rotting flesh from the old ladies hanging from the trees in the town centre put me right in mind of the PNG witch trials.

I guess the bottom line is they aren't hurting you, so screw em, right?
(no subject) - [info]thomas_66 - Friday, 8 May 2009 at 08:44 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hard to know how to read this story
[info]ihatbunap wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 10:11 am (UTC)
So what if it is the hook for the story? Do you think that it shouldn't be told because of that? It's another story of men blaming women for everything that goes wrong in life because their brains are too small to understand the meaning of random.

Unreported World: Bush Knives and Black Magic, Channel 4, tonight, 7.35pm - the whole point of this series surely is that they're not stories that usually hit the headlines.
Re: Hard to know how to read this story
[info]00simian wrote:
Saturday, 9 May 2009 at 07:56 am (UTC)
The hook in the story is that the torture and murder is done openly with the consent of the communities in which it occurs. That people have to live and be killed in societies dominated by such dangerous superstition is mind bogglingly horrific and definitely worth reporting.

I don't quite understand how the poor women of Cambridge being raped in military actions come into it... but you're right I haven't read that story anywhere ;o)
Easy to know how to read this story
[info]jjludemann wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
No, it's not hard to know how to read this story. If you think so, your brain has been turned to mush by political correctness. You apparently can't imagine the horror of a place where superstitious mobs are torturing and murdering innocent people and the police are powerless. It's really not very much like Cambridge.
Re: Easy to know how to read this story ... gotta agree there
[info]kwaut_lizard wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 06:52 am (UTC)
Having been to both the Chimbu (Simbu) District of Papua New Guinea and spent time in the town of Kundiawa, I can attest that this is quite possibly the most dangerous place on Earth outside of any war zones. Sadly, the hook is that these superstition based killings by people with a 'stone-age' mentality are usually looked over in the press. There is justice in many places that these people will probably never realize in any form that we in the so-called Civilized World can so easily take for granted. I came to love the natural beauty, as well as the cultural complexity and diversity of PNG, it tears my heart apart that it has become so irrationally dangerous, and I thank The Independent for running this, what is most oft an overlooked, story. I can only hope that the Highland villagers that unhesitatingly shared their culture with me and, in so doing, knowingly risked their lives in order to keep me safe and secure during my Anthropological field studies many years ago are themselves safe. Kaonaka
I'm sick of medieval barbaric men!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC)
Why are there still barbaric and primitive men like this, in the 21st. century? Just like in Islam, in the name of male-centric centuries old tradition, women/girls, gays, non-Islamic communities and converts/apostates from Islam, are tortured and murdered so barbarically!
Re: I'm sick of medieval barbaric men!
[info]valigia1 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
Your ignorance knows no border! What has Islam got to do with barbarism and murders??? Islam like Christianity and Judaism and many other religions preaches good treatment reciprocal love and respect of human life (God's creation!).
The situation in PNG is very delicate. These people have a right to govern themselves and follow their traditions to keep their culture s alive. On the other hand, there should be a powerful state machinery with a police force dislocated in remote villages with the power to end these barbaric murders. The village chief can govern and make key decision in the village but could not have the right to imprison/murder or inflict torture on other members of the community. But again these places are really remote and very difficult to control centrally from Port Moresby.
This Primitivism is similar to the lslamist ideology, that love barbarism and murder!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 05:48 pm (UTC)
The lslamist ideology, that love barbarism and murder also used centuries old (in their case, Arabic-centric) tradition, to murder, torture and enslave women/girls, gays, non-Islamic communities, gays and so on. As usual unintelligent beings cannot see the link of parallel wider and broader pattern and context - thank Christ for the European Enlightenment! That is still going on, unlike in Islamic civilization which have always been and keep on going backwards/the opposite towards medieval or dark age history! Like these ignorant male idiots in Papua New Guinea!
Re: I'm sick of medieval barbaric men!
[info]copycat7 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 12:09 pm (UTC)
Im getting pretty sick of sharing the planet with primative minded people like yourself who spend all day trying to demonise muslims and encourage hatred in our society towards the muslims. This storey has nothing to do with islam yet you have done a great job of plugging your hatred of muslims. If you want something to hate why not take a look at the mirror. Or better yet our own society with more violence and sin in it than any muslim population could ever achieve. You should educate yourself with the statistics of our own western society before you preach to the muslims. Number one in human slavery and explotation of women as prostitutes, number one in dealth penalty convictions, number one in drug and alcohol abuse, number one in deppresion, number one in invading other nations without just cause, number one in general hypocracy, number one in child neglect, number one in neglect of the elderly, etc etc....need i go on about the many ills of the west?.
Re: I'm sick of medieval barbaric men!
[info]rexxxxxxxx wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 03:48 pm (UTC)
well said copycat I totally agree.There are people who use this forum to vent there spleen against Muslims by twisting the discussion at any oportunity
How the hell did Islam come up in this discussion.
Ive noticed nooraza do this before and it looks like He/she is trying to spread hatred amongst us so ignore her /him

for the record I am Christian
Hmmmm
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
Still, better than catholicism, eh!
Misrepresentation
[info]ilmarinen3 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
What the article ACTUALLY said was 'Contact with the outside world was only established in the 1930s, when some of the many ethnic groups were still living stone-age existences.' NOT your invention 'those curious stone age men with their primitive views'. You then go on to say 'I wonder if this narrative was missing altogether...' ie you wonder if the story would have been written. What a trumped up piece of political correctness your contribution is. And, how insensitive to the real issues of human suffering that the article exposes. Morally and intellectually, smkinney, you are not very well.
Re: Misrepresentation
[info]kwaut_lizard wrote:
Saturday, 9 May 2009 at 05:02 am (UTC)
Nice one. FYI This story emanates from the very same valley where the legacy of the Lehy brothers and Jim Taylor (First Contact, 1983; book & film documentary) still exists in which they shot several Chimbu warriors who were undoubtedly threatened by the their first sight of the first white people in the region in the 1930's. Interesting!
Patronising
[info]rmcbride05 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 10:38 am (UTC)
This is the most patronising article I have ever read from the Independent and it is testamount to the arrogant and misconceived notions held by most people in 'Western' nations regarding 'witchcraft'.

First of all 'witchcraft' is not how I expect people in PNG refer to the use of white or black magic. Both witchcraft and sorcery are English words with a distinctive history of use, and come heavily load with socio-cultural meaning, most of which are negative unfortunately due to the enlightened Christian inquistion. I suspect that both terms came into use in PNG when colonialist attempted to supress local culture and repress the most socially important individuals in the land namely 'witchdoctors' who were often custodians of local religious beliefs, providers of health care, conveened leagal matters, and legitimised the leaders of the land.

Second, these are not beliefs in the supernatural. Supernatural is a 'Western' term which implies something outside of natural phenomena. Just as God is not 'supernatural' to followers of organised religion, 'witches' and 'magic' operate within a distinctive epistemology that is based on a worldview very different from 'Western' ideas. The worldview in PNG, like that in the majority of other countries, most likely holds that there are powers that exist in the world that are not visible or accessible to everyone. So called 'witchdoctors' are often the people who can transgress our physical world into the invisible world and utilise this unknown power and utilise it for both, culturally defined, 'good' and 'bad' purpose. These powers are thus natural within this worldview.

However, I suppose the view I have discussed is not as exciting to the majority of people!
Re: Patronising
[info]allesaid wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 01:27 pm (UTC)
I appreciate your viewpoint on this. I think you are right in bringing up the 'western' influence on PNG, and how the colonialist labeled certain cultural practices of these tribes people and created problems in areas that were peaceful and helpful within their culture.

With that said the other side of this story is very important, the hunting, torture and killing of woman. This is an atrocious act in any culture or religion. There is nothing that can excuse this behaviour. I do not care what belief system you hold....Killing is killing.
Re: Patronising
[info]rmcbride05 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 03:55 pm (UTC)
I couldn't agree more with you that killing is wrong regardless of its motive.
Agreed!!!
[info]kwaut_lizard wrote:
Saturday, 9 May 2009 at 05:11 am (UTC)
AGREED! One thing is for certain, women are marginal members of societies without progressive legal systems and they are further burdened by carrying that societies culture on their backs. A Papuan saying: Women are the backbone of New Guinea. Horrifying that men exhibit such ridiculous compensating behaviour unless they are threatened with strong repercussions.

Rituals that are unique to specific cultures are often interpreted as violent to our societies usually religiously influenced social mores and norms. They simply go beyond what would be considered socially normal in our society but are, in fact, nonviolent. Take, for instance, the ritualized endocannibalism practiced by the Fore Tribespeople also of the Eastern Papua Highlands not so far from this area, in which relatives consumed the deceased to return the "life force" of the deceased to his hamlet. That is in fact nonviolent behavior but is viewed with abject disgust and horrid trepidation in Western society, going directly against most strict religious morales. It was outlawed when discovered in the 1950's, mainly on the basis that it contributed to the spreading of kuru disease, the only known infectious human prion. Dr. Gajdusek was awarded the Nobel Prize in '76 for demonstrating kuru was transmissable between in chimpanzees.
Re: Patronising
[info]sradhanan01 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 03:29 pm (UTC)
Sradhanan wrote:
My comment wont be a long one. I agree with the viewpoint regarding the western influence on PNG
associated with the colonial missionnaries labeling the cultural practices of these tribes, wiping out
completely their cultural identity in the name of religion, bringing all kind of vices and sickness that
these wonderful cultures didn't have before in the name of civilization.
Re: Patronising
[info]imagechalice wrote:
Saturday, 9 May 2009 at 01:04 am (UTC)
Are you completely out of your mind?!! 'Wonderful cultures', indeed! Oh, yes, aren't they sweet, curious little creatures that we have misled into barbarism and excercising terror and fear in their communities because of the evil missionaries' intent on spreading Christianity. Get a grip and open your mind to the fact that these practices exist throughout the world and they are very, very powerful and very, very frightening and innocent people are not protected against the perpetrators of these horrors. There is such a thing as evil and it knows no bounds, whatever name one wants to attach to it.
Mama, look, they are playing my song.
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)
Witch hunts, murder and evil in Papua New Guinea
You men Dracula or let me call him Count Dracula wakes u again and see the priest to remove the devil or tries the Exorcisms. In Tanzania there are many like them under the trees in the night. They sit and invite the ghosts. You do not se them but they see you. That is what the medicine men or Mullahs tells you. Your gown is caught up in the thorn and you think the ghost is holding you. You scream. The priest or the devil comes cuts the gown little, you are saved, thank him and pay him a goat.
But that a trick no? Yes? Mama, look, they are playing my song.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Let's Change the Subject
[info]tyrdofwaitin wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 11:53 am (UTC)
People of Color, everywhere, are easy targets for outrage and scapegoating. I gather that harmony in this part of the world has been lost, for now, but the real outrage sat in the White House for 8 years and now Cheney is making the "torture is OK" rounds touting a case for government sponsored brutality and terrorism. Let's not change to subject folks...."the witch hunts, murder and evil" are right here.
Re: Let's Change the Subject
[info]copycat7 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 12:12 pm (UTC)
Spot On!
witch hunts
[info]lexy40 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 02:44 pm (UTC)
I have no interest in arguing the position that this is racist, religious persecution or what ever spin you want to put on it. Men hurting women, whether it's New Guinea, Pakistan, New York, or London, occurs daily. Really doesn't matter where. It has been perpetuated since before the witch hunts which was at the hand of the Catholic Church. Women are susceptible to violence because they are unable to protect themselves or have been led to believe that they cannot protect themselves. Thus, they are victimized and persecuted the world over. Religion dogma combined with ignorance and misogyny does more than it's fair share. From stoning women that have been raped, to the atrocities mentioned in this article. Right here, women still cannot be clergy in the church with minor exceptions. In Orthodox Judaism, women are considered "unclean" during menstruation and can't be near the precious men. I'm not going to get into Islam, because you all know about the honor killings, women being beheaded, having to wear burkha's, no schooling, kept pregnant. I could go on and on. But you get the point. Rape everywhere! Little girls and boys being sold as young as 4-5 on the internet! So, why all the fuss one of you stated? That question is so out of touch as to be almost repugnant. However, until we start holding those who are responsible accountable, generally by starting right here in the USA, nothing will change anywhere else! That includes holding the Catholic Church responsible for their antiquated treatment of women (9 year old girl threatened with excommunication for not "delivering" twins after being impregnated by step-father), of course, he got counseling. What a joke. Read the excellent book "against our will" by susan brownmiller to fully get the picture of women's place in the world, then and now. Maybe then some of you can come out of exile and get a reality check. J.G. Psychologist
Murderers everywhere, eh?
[info]jebclampit wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 02:53 pm (UTC)
Shoot, there's gangs of men in South Africa raping, torturing and even killing women whom they suspect or know are lesbians. They figure if these women ever have sex with a man they'll forsake their sick and unnatural ways. Not very likely. And South Africa's supposed to be a civilized country. But don't you believe that if they thought they could get away with it the Christian Reconstructionists in this country wouldn't be doing something similar. As one of their leaders has said, 'When we take over the USA we'll stone to death the unbelievers and especially the homosexuals. You'll notice there's no shortage of stones'. It's not just ignorant stone age savages that perpetrate atrocities in the name of superstition.
very poorly crafted statement, yet....
[info]smkinney wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 03:29 pm (UTC)
The violence in New Guinea is newsworthy because it is violence perpetrated by bullies [men] who terrorize innocent people [women]. The article, however, frames this violence in the "civilized"/"primitive" trope that, ironically enough, was/is responsible for the destruction of half the world. My argument is subject to so many pitfalls that if it is not stated carefully one can look like an immoral fool. The criticisms in this thread are well taken.

However, to cast aside the West's colonial legacy as something that we "don't do" anymore is disingenuous. The body count from from that history [aside from the environmental havoc] is astounding. That project was driven by a host of economic, political, and narcissistic interests, but it was rationalized by the narrative that we were to embark upon the civilization of "primitives".

Where the "dark people from dark regions" angle dropped from this article, how would the article be received? It would remain the horrific troubling situation that it is now, but instead of making is easier to dismiss this as part and parcel of a culture that is clearly "stone-age", indigenously corrupt and violent, the implications could not be safely barricaded by our cultural categories.

This is another disturbing example of male violence against women perpetrated with virtual impunity - and that phenomena cuts across the divisions implied by the colonial caricature that this article employs.






witch hunt
[info]innerbeauty59 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 04:02 pm (UTC)
the world is saying crazy. I believe what the bible says in the last days people are going to come more selfish and evil will get worse and it seems true to me.
Follow on
[info]rmcbride05 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 04:06 pm (UTC)
Just to add to my early statement regarding the terminology used in this article. It seems that alot of people are seeing evidence of these so called witch hunts as an example of sexist ideology and practice. I would just like to state that not everyone who is killed because they are a 'witch' is a woman. While this article states that women were killed in this incident, it does not mean they are the only victims of 'witchhunts', men may also be murder too. But the use of the term 'witch' strongly connects it with the Inquistions persecutions of females in Europe. However, men may also be seen to be a 'witch'.
This Primitivism is similar to the lslamist ideology, that love barbarism and murder!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 04:16 pm (UTC)
The lslamist ideology, that love barbarism and murder also used centuries old (in their case, Arabic-centric) tradition, to murder, torture and enslave women/girls, gays, non-Islamic communities, gays and so on. As usual unintelligent beings cannot see the link of parallel wider and broader pattern and context - thank Christ for the European Enlightenment! That is still going on, unlike in Islamic civilization which going backwards/the opposite towards medieval or dark age history! Like these ignorant male idiots in Papau New Guinea!
it is good to see
[info]xyberia44 wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
how religion has created witch hunts throughout history and how, especially since witch hunts did not exist in PNG prior to the Missionaries, Shame they did not manage to eat all the missionaries before they polluted their cultures, This is just an indirect approach to Animist/Christian/Islam amalgamations.

When lack of conceptualisations and ignorance causes their tribal systems to disintegrate......

Stone Age man learns about evil from the missionaries, as prior to that there was no evil in existence. Just, Spirits, Life, Death and Chomping your enemies.

Hundreds of Thousands INNOCENT Iraqis mass murdered
[info]2patriotic wrote:
Friday, 8 May 2009 at 07:32 pm (UTC)
Hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqis were mass murdered, maimed and tortured by UK, US and other European homosexual warmongers; but the relatively small internal problems of a small nation is a big deal? NOT!

Murders occur IN EVERY COUNTRY; and each country is expected to handle domestic murders.

In making this New Guinea alleged murders seem an international concern, the Western media morons and propagandists are, as usual, diverting attention from the fact that Europeans have been the biggest international mass murderers for centuries now!

The European killings and torture of the INNOCENT of Iraq and elsewhere should be the topic of discussion; because such European barbarism is no 'ordinary' national murders.
Re: Hundreds of Thousands INNOCENT Iraqis mass murdered
[info]mauswara wrote:
Saturday, 9 May 2009 at 12:10 am (UTC)
The country is know as Papua New Guinea or PNG. Papua New Guinea shares part of the main island with Indonesia. The main island of PNG is New Guinea. Please do not confuse the name of the island with the country. The main islands of PNG are - New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland, Bougainville and hundresd of tiny islands such as Manus, Samarai, Lihir etc.
Re: Hundreds of Thousands INNOCENT Iraqis mass murdered
[info]xyberia44 wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
Quote: Hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqis were mass murdered, maimed and tortured by UK, US and other European homosexual warmongers; but the relatively small internal problems of a small nation is a big deal? NOT!

How much crap can one man's brain contain.... in case 2patriotic it seem he is a real Shiite for brains, and it is funny, Most of the killings in Iraq are done by Shiite for brain Suicide Bombers without a Sunni disposition, And yes the Invasion of Iraq was at best a total lie, but hey good old Saddam did his best to set the precedence by killing a million of his own people,and not forgetting all the Shiite, and Sunni killings of each other,

So bringing in this Anti Gay European vs Iraq B.s.tting is just laughable, goes to show the lack of intelligence and comprehension that exists in this persons pathetic excuse for a brain. It seems to me you still believe the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese, i suggest you study harder, learn geography and change your name from 2patriot to 2pathetic for words, prahahahahahahahahaha who's the closet homosexual now .
Point completely missed!
[info]cantlook wrote:
Monday, 11 May 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC)
Having read the comments here I think you've all missed the point. Regardless of race, colour or religion it all boils down to the sheer male arrogance. Religion was created by men to control the masses. "Do as I say not say as I do". The tribespeople of PNG have egos that need bolstering just as the white middle aged man who thinks it's OK to killhis wife so he can continue his affair with his secretary. They are no different in my view. The gang who beat and kill the ordinary man who tells them to stop vandalising his car - arrogant yobs. The Imam who insists women cannot be educated - arrogant selfish idiot who cannot face a mere woman being cleverer than him. The leaders and inciters of the violence are inherently arrogant and require their sensitive egos to be stroked and pandered to. We will live in a world of mindless, unnecesary violence forever until this basic human need for ego gratification is sorted out.
Re: Point completely missed!
[info]jebclampit wrote:
Tuesday, 12 May 2009 at 10:13 pm (UTC)
Good point Cantlook ~ Patriarchy is the rule of the world, it seems, and finds it's most vicious adherents in religious cults. Look at Fred Phelps and his family http://atheistnexus.org/page/nate-phelps-2009-aa-speech. This speech by one of his sons just blows my mind. And here's a site which has gained much attention as the two ladies tell and discuss their lives in the Quiverfull community. http://2spb.blogspot.com/ It's enough to make one totally anti-male. Except that I happen to be one and can only deplore and speak out, when the opportunity arises, against what men have done 'In the Name of God' (yuck) or for whatever reason they could think of to dominate and mistreat women in the name of their egomaniacal need to subjugate whomever, where ever. JEB
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