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Riots in India after Vienna killing

By Veronika Oleksyn, AP

A Sikh preacher died today after being wounded in an attack on his temple in Vienna, by a group of fundamentalist Sikhs armed with knives and a handgun, police said.

India's prime minister appealed for calm as riots protesting the deadly shooting spread to several northern Indian cities.

Witnesses said the Vienna temple attended by lower-caste Sikhs had been attacked by Sikhs from a higher caste who accused one or both of the preachers of being disrespectful of the religion's Holy Book.

The attack set off a brawl that wounded 16. It was not clear whether some of the weapons used were kirpans - ceremonial daggers that may legally be worn by Sikhs in Austria.

Two preachers - identified by Indian diplomats as Niranjan Das and Sant Rama Nand - underwent operations for gunshot wounds, but Nand died early today, according to a police official who declined to identify himself on the telephone, in line with Austrian custom.

Hundreds in India defied a curfew and army patrols to protest the killing, attacking police stations and torching the car of a senior officer and several trains. In two places police opened fire on mobs, wounding at least four people, said senior police officer Khubi Ram.

The violence in Indian centered on the north Indian town of city of Jalandhar, a stronghold of the Dera Sach Khand, a Sikh sect comprised of mainly "untouchables", or Dalits.

Worshipper Mohnder Ram, 72, who has lived in Vienna for decades, said the temple that was attacked had been attended by followers of Shri Guru Ravidas, the 14th-century founder of the sect. Witnesses said the group of bearded and turbaned men raided the temple as the preachers led several hundred worshippers in prayer. Followers moved to defend their leaders.

"I heard four to five shots" in the temple, said Ram. "People started screaming, children were crying as they ran out. It was like war. There was lots of blood everywhere."

Six suspects are in custody, including four wounded and in serious condition, police spokesman Michael Takacs said, adding that more may be detained. The wounded were all of Indian origin and aged between 30 and 50, said Bernhard Segall of Vienna medical services. The most serious wounds were caused by gunshots to the abdomen and head.

The temple is housed in a residential building of the working-class neighborhood of Vienna-Rudolfsheim.

Ram said about 400 people were at the service when the fight broke out; police put the number at between 150 and 300.

The scene was "like a battlefield," Takacs said.

Nearby resident Bimla Lalka said she saw seven or eight men with long beards and dark blue and orange turbans fleeing the building.

Sikhs make up less than 2 per cent of India's nearly 1.2 billion people.

Caste discrimination has been outlawed in India for more than a half century, and a quota system was established with the aim of giving Dalits a fair share of government jobs and places in schools. But their plight remains dire, living in poverty and kept down by ancient prejudice and caste-based politics.

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Riots in India after Vienna killing
[info]avraj wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:48 pm (UTC)
Re the above article, there are some crucial and important errors. First, the Sikh religion does not have a caste system. One of its founding principles was and still is the removal of a caste system promoting equality of all. Second, the Sikhs who attacked the religious preachers would not be fundamentalists. They would be followers of the Guru Granth Sahib, the religious book of the Sikhs regarded as the present day 'living' guru. The majority of Sikhs follow the preachings of the guru Granth Sahib. finally, Jaladhar is NOT a stronghold of the Dera Sach Kand. It is not similar to a town in North East Afghanistan where 'stronghold' would be an appropriate word to use to describe a situation where the Taliban might have control.

Apart from the two crucial inaccuracies the article also gives an unclear picture of the rioting. The protestations occurring as a result of what happened in Vienna are virtually totally in the state of Punjab. By heading the article 'Riots in India ...' and making similar remarks in the article, the article gives the impression of widespread countrywide rioting. India is a vast country and to write what has been written is similar to saying 'Riots in the US' when there are emonstrations only occuring in Illinois for instance. Even references north India is not accurate enough - why not just name Punjab where the demonstrations have taken place of which Jalandhar is a main city? No further explanation is given to the quote from Bimla Lalka leaving an impression that the look of the men running away is a fundamental look. In fact, long beards is very normal for a Sikh man as the Sikh religion preaches that all hair should be left uncut and many Sikh men wear their unshorn beards open. The dark blue and orange, or more accurately, saffron, are the traditonal colours of the Sikhs. The final para provides a sweeping statement about the caste system that, gives the impression the Sikh religion is discrimantory against Dalits and thus breaking Indian law. Alot of Dalits have converted to Sikhism because it allows them to receive equality while in Hinduism they would remain a Dalit, the lowest caste, for their whole life. It is true that there may be discrimination against Dalits who have converted to Sikhism from within the Sikh community but the article is wrongly bringing this across.

I am very surprised this inaccurate and, itself, discriminatory article has been so easily published in the Independent. With a Sikh community in the UK numbering several hundred thousand - a major immigrant population since several decades - it makes a mockery of the knowledge the Independent has shown of such a large and important immigrant community.

Regards
Avraj Grewal
Thank you Mr. Grewal, for your information!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 05:18 pm (UTC)
I was wondering about that; since I've never heard of a caste system in the Sikh religion. Anyway, the caste system has nothing to do with religion, but if we study the great history of India, including from the great Mohenjo-Daro civilization, the primitive but warrior-like Aryans (suspected as originating from Anatolia empire, in modern Turkey now) brought the caste system, to impose dominant political power on indigenous Indians such as the Dravidian Tamils and destroyed their sophisticated Dravidian Mohenjo-Daro civilization. Thus is why the all upper caste are the conqueroring Aryans whilst the Dravidians, are enslaved (i.e their slavery was then falsely religiously sanctioned in a modified constructed Hinduism, as if by God) and dominated as the "Untouchable" caste, to subjugate socio-politically and exploit them for salve labour besides.
India's Apartheid
[info]huffbee wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 05:24 pm (UTC)
Casteism is rife in Sikhism, Islam and even Christianity not only Hinduism. It stems from the all-powerful pervasive corruptive effect of the Hindu religion. The Hindus are as caste-minded and racist as any ignorant and backward people.

Living in the West does not make them any better. Most Indians carry their in-depth prejudice and casteist minds wherever they go- to any nook and cranny of the world.

The caste system is India's apartheid system with the so-called higher caste being superior whereas the so-called Lower caste are deemed inferior. It is an endogamous, exclusive and racist system.

It is a disgrace that a country that calls itself a democracy practises Hitler-like discrimination. To boot, India even seeks a permanent seat in the security Council . What a shame!
Hey Hufbee, Islamists are the neo-Nazis, not Hindus!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Thursday, 28 May 2009 at 09:25 am (UTC)
You are such a racist towards Indians! Read intelligently my explanation - I supposed you don't have the capacity! As I said it's nothing to do with the original Hinduism; the caste system was brought by the conquering Aryan from waht is now part of modern Turkey, what used to be the Anatolia civilization! All this will be too complex for you I think! Get a real education!
Re: Hey Hufbee, Islamists are the neo-Nazis, not Hindus!
[info]noidiot wrote:
Friday, 29 May 2009 at 06:41 pm (UTC)
As a shameless bigot living in a civilized country, you need to learn to put up with views that are different from what you have been fed all your life. Before branding people racist, do some soul searching and examine your self-righteousness.

You are distorting facts and passing the blame of your racist behavior on aliens. Whatever be the origin of caste system, it is totally inhuman, and against the basic tenets of the human rights. It is a variant of Apartheid.

Please note that I have lived in India for over six years as a student from Africa. I am myself of India descent and I know how parochial Indians are. You are of the same mold. Shame on you for peddling lies on this web site and insulting others who dare to call a spade a spade.

Hufbee, don't blame all Indians on caste system!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Saturday, 30 May 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC)
Yes, you are a racist bigot in a civilized world! And I have the right to say that - or don't you understand what freedom of speech mean? Your lies are amazing; I condemned the caste system but I was explaining the historical origin of it, not defending it; read my complex explanation intelligently and not with a simple mind like yours! And I love India and Hinduism, and hope for its reformation. I suppose you can't stand it that I would defend India despite not being Indian; such as I would defend Christianity despite criticizing the Vatican Catholiticism? Again, that's what freedom of speech is about; learn intelligently about it!
Get real , impostor!
[info]noidiot wrote:
Saturday, 30 May 2009 at 11:09 pm (UTC)
Hey, racist bigot, getting mad because your egregious ignorance is being exposed.

What a shame! Your distortion of facts is woeful. No need to lecture about India and Hinduism. You aren't the oracle.

About your so-called freedom of speech, you are churning out utter nonsense, calling names when someone disagrees with you and heaping insults. And that is YOUR idea of freedom of speech. How condescending ! You are a real Taleban!

The rest of your crap is a miserable attempt to show yourself in better light. But you fall flat. Get yourself a decent education instead of advising others to do so, despicable ignoramus.

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