Vladimir Putin: 'Georgia? We couldn't just let Russia get a bloody nose'
In a blunt three-hour interview over lunch, Vladimir Putin turned the air blue and denied claims he is building a new Soviet empire as he defended his 'embattled and encircled' country
Friday, 12 September 2008
AP
Vladimir Putin gives a commanding performance for the world's leading Russia watchers at his lunch in Sochi
Whether prime Minister or President, the man holding forth across the vast dining table was unmistakably Vladimir Putin. Wagging his finger and occasionally clenching his fist, the man who many believe retains the real power in Russia denied that the world was entering a new Cold War, rejected claims that he wanted to restore the Soviet empire and insisted that a fresh arms race in Europe was avoidable.
His immediate concern, he made clear, was to defend his country's much-criticised action in Georgia. He stressed that Russia had no choice. "They attacked South Ossetia with missiles, tanks, heavy artillery and ground troops. What were we supposed to do?"
If his country had not invaded, he said, it would have been like Russia "getting a bloody nose and hanging its head down", and there would be a "second blow" into the north Caucasus.
Reminding his guests that he had been at the Olympics in Beijing when the crisis broke out, Mr Putin said he was "astonished, astounded," by the world media silence on the Georgian aggression. "What did you expect us to do? Respond with a catapult? We punched the aggressor in the face, as all the military text books prescribe."
For three-and-a-half hours yesterday, he juggled knives, forks, a succession of elegantly full plates and question upon question from some of the world's leading Russia-watchers on everything from the conflict in the Caucasus to his relations with his successor in the Kremlin.
It was a commanding performance that began with an forcefully worded statement on Georgia for the benefit of Russian television cameras and moved on to an enthusiastic discussion of his new role and the excitement of learning all over again. The only sign of his new status was that a similar lunch for foreign guests last year was held in an enormous marquee in the grounds of the presidential summer residence; this year it was at a VIP complex in this Russian resort which will host the Winter Olympics in 2014.
A troupe of whispering waiters offered discreet service under the restored dome of the former sanatorium, now an exclusive holiday destination for Russia's elite. When the diners sat down they faced a starter of smoked duck and bitter orange sauce together with a rank of four glasses, local mineral water, cranberry juice, as well as red and white wines.
Mr Putin responded angrily to accusations that Moscow had used disproportionate force in Georgia, saying Russian troops were not sent into South Ossetia for 36 hours after the initial attack. Russian forces then unleashed an aerial bombardment, tanks and ground troops but not before Georgia had captured the southern part of South Ossetia up to and including the suburbs of its capital, Tskhinvali, he said. He adopted an even darker tone upon mention of the Pentagon's missile shield. After accusing the US of acting like "a Roman emperor", he warned Poland and the Czech Republic against hosting US missiles. He said there was still a chance for the installations not to be activated, but warned: "Our targeting of these countries will happen as soon as these missiles are brought. Please do not instigate an arms race in Europe. It is not needed. What should we do? Sit pretty while they deploy missiles?"
He was constantly at pains to clarify where power lies in today's Russia, amid speculation at home and abroad that the new President, Dmitry Medvedev, is no more than Mr Putin's creature. On South Ossetia, Mr Putin said the new President took all the decisions. Mr Medvedev decided to send in the troops, and decided that Moscow would recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The former president expressed considerable sympathy for Mr Medvedev. It was "unfortunate" he said, that Mr Medvedev had faced such a crisis so early in his presidency. There had been a real chance to make a fresh start Mr Medvedev – a "convinced liberal and democrat, modern in outlook – had had to show a "tough face".
Mr Putin spoke about tackling hitherto unsolved problems in the Russian economy and Moscow's relations with almost every country represented, including Britain, which he had accused of harbouring known criminals and individuals involved in terrorism. "OK," he said, "they have the protection of Brtish justice, but why are they allowed to use this haven as a launching pad for anti-Russian activity?"
He was keen to draw a distinction between the conflict in the Caucasus and Russia's relations with other former Soviet satellites, as he continually denied any imperial ambitions on the part of the Kremlin. He noted that Russia had border treaties with most of these countries which acknowleged their sovereignty. "Today there are no ideological contradictions; there is no basis for a Cold War," he said.
On Ukraine and its possible future membership of Nato, Mr Putin warned that there was no public majority in the country itself in support of this. He scornfully denounced the architects of the so-called orange revolution, saying the leadership was "divided and chaotic". He joked about accusations that Ukraine's Prime Minister, Julia Tymoshenko, was siding with pro-Russian elements. The idea that the abrasively anti-Russian politician had changed sides prompted laughter and a roll of the eyes. "Heavens above," he said. "What have we come to now?"
The one-time head of the rebranded KGB, the FSB, bemoaned what he described as Russia being "embattled and encircled" by a "hostile West", accompanying his compaints with occasional sighs of frustration. Mr Putin said that Russia strongly opposed Nato membership for its western neighbour but for the first time said that if the Ukrainian people voted to join Nato, "that would be their decision". In which case, "so be it", he added. This was a sharp change from his position two years ago when he accepted Ukraine might join the EU but expressed outright opposition to it joining Nato.
The anger and industrial language on display for a domestic TV audience gave way to a more measured performance after the cameras departed and food was served. Unfettered by aides and without his security men who had accompanied him into the banquet hall, he fielded questions openly, calling journalists by name. This time last year, Mr Putin had seemed demob happy and almost disengaged. At this meeting, he seemed particularly intent on his new job as Prime Minister which he presented as being mainly responsible for Russia's economy.
Russia was facing problems today, he said, which demanded new solutions. "The solutions of the past wouldn't do." State infrastructure, housing, health and education all needed to be overhauled. This represented an unusual admission that Russia was now lagging behind in areas that the Soviet Union had excelled.
He reserved particular hostility for the US Vice-President, Dick Cheney, who recently toured former Soviet states. "There is no more Soviet threat but they are trying to resurrect it," said Mr Putin.
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175 Comments
2 flycat: Knowing of history not means knowing of such a nonsence. Russians in 1918-1920 saved Georgians from complete elimination by Turks. My great-grandfather was killed there in action. "Georgia was independent ,democratic state" - you said...intreresting, where did you get this?? In Saakashvili`s agenda?
Posted by anton | 16.09.08, 23:16 GMT
I am so unimpressed! You can do better, I think! Maybe not.
Posted by Richard | 16.09.08, 20:17 GMT
O, Ritard,
There was a plane crash in Russia with a general who was involved in Chechnya war. Another conspiracy theory for you to subscribe to. Hop on it.
Posted by FromUSAwithLove | 15.09.08, 06:03 GMT
Ritard,
You are silly.
Posted by FromUSAwithLove | 15.09.08, 05:55 GMT
FromUSSRwithFascism:
What do you know about democracy? For goodness sake!
Posted by Richard | 14.09.08, 20:16 GMT
Yea, I agree with Andrew. US brought "Democracy" is just a banner. It takes money to win elections. And lots of it. If US would truly support the Democracy, when "bringing" it to any country, they would financially support not just one candidate, but would allocate equal amount of funding to oposition. Than they could talk about "letting it's people decide". That would never happen of course. And, yet, with a straight face they talk about bringing democracy.
Posted by FromUSAwithLove | 14.09.08, 18:48 GMT
Да фиг с ним, с этим Raz.. вот пусть это посмотрит и заткнется уже ))))))))))
ru.youtube.com/watch?v=CimxLPhqjbQ&feature=related
Posted by RussiaPower | 14.09.08, 11:31 GMT
If you see a lot of blood of innocent peoples -> it means USA trying to bring "democracy" into that region.
It is a reality of the American foreign policy. One hand with money, another holds a pistol. And democracy is only a screen. There is there no democracy. In USA it is alot of people it understand. We see sometimes as on demonstrations these people express the opinion. It as a rule, the most fair part of the American society. But there is also another, blood-thirsty and greedy. This blood-thirsty part also is the reason of many troubles on this planet. The western press has turned for a long time already to the false propagation, a fulfilling cash. As to Southern Ossetia, there was a real chance eventually to solve this conflict without human loss. But as always, it was necessary to appear United States with the missionary policy, and people at once have started to die.
Posted by Andrew | 14.09.08, 10:59 GMT
Well, you were the one who suggested that there was ethnic cleansing going on before the conflict, which is not true.
Posted by FromUSAwithLove | 14.09.08, 10:15 GMT
To Raz
That is why between Georgia and the new States - Abkhazia and South Ossetia - need international observers .. Agree.
Enough Russian soldiers shed blood.
On the list. For particularly stupid - there is written. The list specifies there are still mistakes. And there are many unidentified corpses buried in the courtyards of their houses.
More I will not answer you. Understandably, for YOU to have been victims of at least 2 thousand, as well .. trifle, which should not pay attention
It is immoral
Posted by flycat | 14.09.08, 10:10 GMT
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