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Deborah Orr: Old age is not an illness and its care needs to be paid for

Nobody rails at the idea babies should be cared for primarily by their families

Care home. Two words that fill people with such dread that they prefer not to think about such places, until they have to. The new Health Secretary, Andy Burnham, insists that we do have to think about care homes though. And we have to think more generally too, about how we care for those among us who are elderly now, but living at home, and how we want to be cared for ourselves, when we find that our own independence has been curtailed or lost, and we need other people to assist us. He's quite right. This issue needs urgent thought.

A Green Paper, Shaping the Future of Care Together, has been published. It is hoped that when the time comes for a white paper to be drafted, in November, a vigorous national debate about its contents will have taken place. Is this too short a time for such a debate to have been satisfactorily completed? Of course it is. Especially when the debate, at this early stage, is so very crude.

The green paper focuses on funding. The government admits that there will be many more elderly people to be looked after, and no more money to do so. It wants to maintain state funding at its present £14.7bn, and wants people to become aware that unless they are very poor indeed, they will have to pay some of their care costs themselves. This is one of those things that you think is common knowledge, only to discover, when something like a Green Paper comes along, that people are astonishingly ignorant.

It is already plain that people fondly – or not so fondly – imagine two things. One is that old age is an illness and that its symptoms should be treated by the National Health Service. But that is not the case. If the inability to get to the loo unaided, or to eat or to dress or to wash or to get out of bed unaided were an illness, then infancy as well as old age would have to be treated as a disease.

Nobody rails and screams at the idea that babies should be cared for primarily by their families. But for some people, even the prospect of sacrificing one's inheritance – usually in the form of the parental home – in order that others can be paid to keep their parents safe and comfortable, is an abomination.

This is a pretty shameful attitude, and it speaks volumes that people think nothing of vociferously complaining that it is "unfair", to the point where those who are "good at playing the system" can offer all kinds of advice on how to ensure that the state rather that the family assets meet the cost of paying for help, even – especially – if they are rich in property assets.

The other is that national insurance contributions should pay for social care, because national insurance contributions fund state pensions. Again, this is actually quite a daft assumption. The state pension is there to provide the essentials of living – and barely at that. Food, accommodation, utility bills – those are the things that the state meagrely provides under NI. People would do well to note right now that the changes proposed in the green paper assume that people would go on paying for their own food and board.

It's the cost of care – the laying on of human hands that is at issue here – not the cost of food and shelter. In fact, one interesting aspect of the new proposals is that they all would make this distinction more plain.

The Government has already ruled out funding social care through general taxation, arguing that it would place too much of a burden on the working population. Instead it wants to set up a "national care service", and sets out three possible ways of funding it. Two of them seem like non-starters to me. A "partnership model" promises that the state will pay for a third of basic costs, whatever the individual's financial situation, unless it is dire, while a voluntary insurance scheme attaches an extra bit onto this undertaking, for those who fancy it.

Neither of these appear to address the basic problem – which is how to get people whose retirements are healthy, wealthy and short, to supplement those whose retirements are feeble, poverty-stricken and long. Only the third, a compulsory insurance scheme requiring all people over retirement age to shove £20,000 in the kitty, so that the 20 per cent whose care costs £1,000 or less can subsidise the 20 per cent whose care costs £50,000 or more, seems actually to grasp the nettle.

Needless to say, this proposal is the one that has caused outrage, with even The Independent describing how people could be "forced" to pay this money. Yet, if you look at the average cost of care – about £31,000 – it's a bargain, especially when payment options are quite flexible and generous. This is the suggestion that really needs to be examined and debated, because it is a real opportunity for us to look at the sort of society we are and the sort of society we want to be.

Clearly we do not, generally, wish to feel that the care of elderly relatives is our own responsibility. We are not alone in this. In France, where social care is actually funded through the health service, there is a legal obligation that stipulates that adult offspring are required to look after elderly parents who do not have the means to look after themselves.

After the heatwave that killed 15,000 mostly elderly people a few years back, the law was actually tightened to confer an obligation to keep in touch with elderly parents, rather that just set up a standing order. This legislation was brought in after so many died without their families even discovering the fact for weeks on end.

I think this is a pretty appalling testament to how the "breakdown of the family" across Europe is not just a question of how children are brought up, but how we all care for each other. Perhaps it would be good for all of us if we brought social care away from the margins of our society, and into the centre.

The compulsory insurance scheme has been called "the comprehensive model". But perhaps it is not quite comprehensive enough. This idea needs to be embraced and, in fact, needs to be extended. Many campaigning groups have leapt at the opportunity to remind us that not only the elderly need social care. Some families need social care for a lifetime if they have family members who are born with disabilities.

Others find that an accident or an illness provokes a need for social care that no one was prepared for, sometimes for a short period, sometimes for the rest of a lifetime. Maternity or paternity leave is actually social care as well, even though we tend not to see it that way.

In the short term a lump sum upon retirement makes sense. But perhaps it is worth examining the idea that all social care should be financed under a national insurance scheme, one that we can make claims on at various times in our lives for various members of our families. The social structure whereby we look out for each other is no longer sustainable. Maybe this is our opportunity to shore it up, so that we all look after each other.

d.orr@independent.co.uk

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[info]mykleboon wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 12:40 am (UTC)
"Nobody rails and screams at the idea that babies should be cared for primarily by their families"

Babies have no choice as to whether or not they are born. It therefore makes sense that those who create them bear most of the burden in bringing them up. However, it does not follow that those same people, who did not ask to be born, should be expected to care for those who brought them into the world!

I know that this will be wildly unpopular, but I have often thought that most of our problems of "fairness" have to do with inheritance. If death duties were close to 100 per cent on all but the first very little, (just enough to allow the inheritance of a few things of sentimental value only), of anyone's estate, then the biggest unfairness of all - inequality of opportunity - would be be much reduced. Moreover, the money raised could be used by the state / community to care for the elderly.
Deborah Orr: Old age is not an illness and its care needs to be paid for
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
Debby, no, my dad is not old. He is 102 and looks after my mom who is 103. When I read your article, she told to me to congratulate you such a beautiful poetry on them. They are very delighted. She, my mom, told me through the stethoscope multiplied, by three enlarged sound,Woofferers and tweittesr and oomphas.. Base and trebles ?Please son tell, Deborah I love her?. Her only problem is this.
Debby you are a baby. I like your write up. You are a doll. So no offences please please ple ass
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Not another insurance ...
[info]ottorino wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 06:41 am (UTC)
We have all been bitten by insurances time and again. Large proprtions of the premiums go to unaccountable 'professionals' who insist that they deserve the best of everything as that's the only way the money will be 'safe' !

They will then use every trick in the book to avoid paying out a penny if they possibly can.

By all means save for the future one way or another, but don't give an unlimited licence to the already bloated insurance companies to spend more time and our money on their partying. (Yes, I've worked inside insurance companies and seen the waste and profligacy of policyholders' contributions).
Insurance
[info]rogersbrother wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 07:05 am (UTC)
I though we already had a National Insurance scheme. The truth, of course, is that it was never run as such; it has always been used as a stealth tax with 'contributions' going to the general exchequer and liabilities bring funded from current taxation - in other words a gigantic state Ponzi scheme.
So how will the new proposals alter this?
[info]tim2palmer wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 07:10 am (UTC)
Easy for someone to say in Ms Orr's privileged, financially secure position. I have absolutely no intention of subjecting either my mother or my wifes elderly parents to the tender mercies of the State unless they become so ill or infirm that we are unable to help them maintain an acceptable quality of life without the specialist medical intervention we cannot provide. We shall always do the very best we can and I suspect most people in the UK have the same instinct. Should the worst happen, hopwever, I fail to see why we or they should be invited to have an insurance policy to meet this (what is National Insurance and tax for?) or why because they and we have been prudent and saved money over the years we should then reduce our circumstances bearing in mind we then have our own old age to look forward to. And why should they be forced to sell their property just to make up for the State's inability to manage it's financial affairs? The age profile of the population is no surprise, it hasn't suddenly occurred over night. Any decent actuary could have told anyone in government who cared to focus on more than their career what was going to happen over 50 years ago. Should we then burden our children with our medical problems or shall we make a balanced financial decision and take the Dignitas option?
Tax revenue is OUR money NOT the governments and we, the public, should have a far more mature debate about how we spend our resources rather than constantly focussing on single issues to wind people up a la Daily Mail. But with politicians who are more interested in spending their time completing spurious expenses claims rather than concentrating on the issues of rhe day, why should we be surprised at the ongoing revelations regarding shortfalls in the public purse. But we can't just blame the politicians - the 40% of us who can be bothered to vote invited these idiots in to rob us blind and waste money on committees for their friends and whatever trendy project they thought would help yo keep them aboard the gravy train.

The amount required to fund the shortfall is roughly equal to the cost of the new RAF Tornado which although a fantastic technical achievement is of absolutely no practical use or value in the wars we are currently fighting and likely to be fighting in the future
tim2palmer wrote:we are currently fighting and likely to be fighting in the future
[info]famulla wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 07:57 am (UTC)
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[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
hmmm - did it not occur to you that many failing elderly dread being left in the care of their families for all sorts of reasons, and find even hols staying with them a great strain, even while they all remain fond of one another?
the outstanding failure in the whole elderly care debate is ( apart from not doing the sums on numbers going to need care properly - ie not allowing for the fact that longer lives mean healthier elderly and so later onset of all the bloody awful personal problems and loss of independence) is that nobody seems to ever consult the elderly, let alone the soon to be elderly;
everyone over 60 should make sure that have a proper 'living will' type document covering their wishes for ideal long term care, for palliative care and for any voluntary euthanasia, with copies left with family, friends and solicitor and GP, to make sure that know-all busybodies don't make these stupid assumptions on what will be best for them; how we hope to approach the end of our life is just as personal as how we hope to live our life.
Quality not just cost
[info]ejr_22 wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
All the focus is on the cost of caring for the elderly, no one is prepared to address the quality of care. The standard of care inflicted on the elderly in Britain is an abomination and until we address that issue and agree it is unacceptable, however we fund care, we will be throwing good money after bad. People might be more willing to use their own money, or their inheritance, to pay for care for the elderly if they perceived any value. At present, you can spend the entire value of your family home on a Care Home place that you wouldn't consider acceptable for your pet and whilst you are receiving this poor care you can also top up the costs of the other residents who didn't have a home to sell but are still receiving an equal (equally low) standard of care.
Yes Deborah, but haven't we already paid several..
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC)
..times already? NHS Stamp duty contributions (robbed by the Labour party twice, making us the poorest pensioners in the Western world). Oh, I could go on and on. Suffice to say, you are condoning that Brits have their pants pulled down one more time - for old-times sake.

The difference ...
[info]andrewholt wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC)

... "old age is not a disease, and its care needs to be paid for"

There are many things that are not diseases that the NHS pays for.

Various addictions (choice)
Obesity (choice)
Injuries.

Your reasoning would have A&E requesting your credit card after an accident & prior to admission, after all you are not ill.

The difference is that the elderly have already paid for their care. A lifetime of paying Tax and NI based on the pronouncements of successive governments that the NHS provides care from "cradle to grave".

Yet the government can always find funding for more politic projects, e.g.

2012 Olympics: Budget 9.3 Billion
Trident replacement: Projected 65 Billion
War in Iraq: 7 Billion (2006 Estimate)
War in Afghanistan: 2.5 Billion (2009 Estimate, ongoing)
Politicians: 500 million/year (2007/2008)
Cross Rail: 16 Billion
High Speed Rail Link: 36 Billion (Estimated)
NHS IT (NPfIT): > 30 Billion

If less money was taken from us as Tax, then your argument would have a little more merit, since we would have more discretionary disposable income.

We do live in a country where we assume that the state will look after us, but then that's what the keep telling us.
[info]temporal7 wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC)
Yes something needs to be done - given the future predictions in relation to age/longevity and sadly, the difference between how and what some are prepared to do, within their own family structures, for elderly parents.

The care available at the moment is so higgledy piggledy - some opting for the 'quicky' 15 mins(!!) 'at-home-care' am and pm, which just about covers the need for help in dressing, personal care and meals - if the person is lucky - ever tried to get out of bed, wash dress and have your breakfast in that short space of time?! But the longer the time provided the higher the cost is to either the individual requiring the 'help' or to the families, for whichever reason, (and there are many) are not 'on hand' themselves. The chances of an elderly person requiring the care actually getting the same person each day are minimal as staffing can fluctuate incredibly - as can the quality of care - so, even this 'basic care' requirement can be impersonal, rushed for both the giver and receiver, and for the rest of the day an awful lot of elderly are then left, on their own. I'm talking here, about those who would benefit from some company, and probably, a lot more help. The other form of care is inevitably the move to a nursing home - but why should this almost be seen as a Dickensian move to the 'Poor House' as far as giving up your right to dignity, individuality plus a kind of starvation of love and companionship? Does it not say something about the nature of our understanding/perception of how a nursing or care home works?

It is hard to understand (well, possibly in a cynical sense it is not) how, as Ms Orr states, it is those whose inheritances may be threatened by a parent's money being channelled into funding for care who will plough all their energy into finding the loop-holes solely in order that the state pays when clearly 'they are rich in property assets'.

Apart from the obvious need to formulate an adequate source of funding for all who require it - if, when and how. The whole idea and belief of what should be human care provision is in need of a serious ethical overhaul.




[info]temporal7 wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 04:36 pm (UTC)

I did not mean that Deborah Orr is in any way wrong to comment on how people use and abuse funding - I think it is shocking also, just that to understand it we all have to become cynics in relation to human nature and that is a shame.
Average 31K
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 01:47 pm (UTC)
Interesting figure , this one, what does it say about life expectancy within a care
home ?

Think I'll stay at home, it sounds cheaper.

No mention of the doubling, in 12 twelve years of public spending, just a selection
that supports labour. I don't know why Deborah doesn't join the labour party.

Care home owners are now some of the wealthiest people in country.
NI alone won't pay
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 02:26 pm (UTC)
If we take NI contributions as a measure of our entitlement to pensions, social security and care then the figures don't add up. For example a care home over 5 years might cost circa 150,000 to 180,000 pounds. A pensioner at 60 may live till 78 (for example), on a state pension equating to circa 89,000 over that period. They then enter a care home for 5 years. The combined cost (for this scenario), is circa 254,000 pounds. Ni contributions over (say) a 42 year period for an average waged person would be approximately 120,000 - 130,000 pounds....so we have a problem...and it's getting bigger. Deborah is being entirely realistic in her assessment.... and like others I think a lot of this comes down to greedy sons and daughters....the inheritance paycheck....and I've seen plenty examples of it...
Who wants to live to a hunderd?
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 04:15 pm (UTC)
Voluntarily euthanasia clinics should be encouraged for the over seventies. Anyone worried about their later years should be given a quick shot in the backside that'll settle their worries. When push comes to shove the very old are a deadweight on the economy & their own kids and only need this pointing out with some government advertising. I don't want to live beyond seventy - what use would I be then?
Re: Who wants to live to a hunderd?
[info]bavonww wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 11:06 pm (UTC)
I will be waiting for you! I will be eager to hear if your warped sense of humour has improved or even if you have 'got wisdom'.
As I get older I find that I have much to offer the world and despite some discomforts (like chemo-therapy) I enjoy getting older, living to see great changes, and to see history in the making.....
Re: Who wants to live?...
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 04:50 pm (UTC)
Not sure if that was a attempt at humour...but your statement "what use will I be then?", should read "what use have I ever been?"....'living fossil' is an apt description of someone who's never lived....the 'living dead'....perhaps you should take the medicine you prescribe....for all our sakes.....have a nice day....
(Very) old age
[info]railway_bob wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 10:05 pm (UTC)
Simple mathematics, surely !

Scenario. My Wife's relatives, in care (Dementia) and nursing care (Alzheimers) , are both in their nineties. Are the state expecting us, their offspring, to fulfull the legal obligation of looking after their welfare ?

Is that the idea of the removal of the 65 chucking out age ? So that people in their seventies can continue working to look after the near-dead.
[info]lisaansell wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 10:51 pm (UTC)
A society should be measured on how it cares for its vulnerable. I agree we should look at what the state pays for, the state should be paying for the welfare of its citizens- not propping up banks, defence contracts- the interests of the few. I would rather the money for our pensioners came from the state, than the big business and military interests, that create more threats than they tackle.
[info]bavonww wrote:
Thursday, 16 July 2009 at 10:57 pm (UTC)
Your article would sit well on Himmler's desk. Please remember that 'old people' have contributed much to our society. Your suggestions are mischevious and should be trashed along with voluntary euthanasia. Put down your wine glass, take off your rose(') tinted glasses, remove your iPod headphones, and re-think your comments which are unfortunate to say the least.....
[info]jaffgyp wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 07:32 am (UTC)
i think that the rose coloured glasses may be on you- whats wrong with voluntary euthanasia with the accent on VOLUNTARY?! - similarly whats wrong with VOLUNTARILY hanging on to the shreds of life until the bitter end?!; they need to be informed choices, not the one size fits all grim faced duties proclaimed by the religious (who surprisingly seem to have a deep fear of death and a deep distrust in human nature, expecting that any legalised voluntary euthanasia would result in hundreds of over-eager potential inheritors giving their elderly potential benefactors a firm push out of this world rather than waiting for them to jump);
some folk long for cosmetic surgery, others hate the idea of it; some folk long for death once active conscious adult life has ended and wish to take charge of their own deaths, others hate the very idea of it; there should be plenty of room for individual choices, especially for the terminally failing elderly
[info]bavonww wrote:
Friday, 17 July 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
Jaffgyp: That is a well reasoned reply, however a few points..
The fear of death has defined humans as a species and continues to drive our very sense of existence. You are in danger with your "informed choice" of confusing the current fad for indulgence with reality.
"Once active concious adult life has ended"; where does this stop being a concious choice and become the decision of greedy relatives or a 'caring' state? Your last phrase is particularily chilling; "there should be plenty of room for individual choices, especially for the terminally failing elderly", try imagining Tony Blair mouthing those very words and you might then have pause for more thought....

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