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Hamish McRae: China will soon export its ideas as well

We have not begun to think about what this huge shift in global power will mean

It will not quite have the significance of Nixon in China – I can't see an opera about it – but President Obama's visit there does have huge significance.

In 1972, when President Nixon went there, it was the leader of the world's largest economy opening up the relationship with the leaders of the world's most populous country. Now it is the leader of the world's largest economy meeting the leaders of the second largest economy, for China is currently passing Japan in the economic league table to take the number two spot. If, in another 37 years' time, the president of the US visits China, it will be the leader of the world's second largest economy visiting the world's largest one.

That is the context that overshadows this meeting: the stark fact that over the next generation the baton of economic leadership is being passed from one giant to another. It is as important as the shift of power that took place from Europe to the US in the last century.

All the debate in Beijing about trading relationships, climate change, human rights, intellectual property and so on – the whole caboodle – has to be seen in this context. For the time being the Chinese economy remains much smaller than that of the US. But soon it won't be. China knows that, and more thoughtful people in the West know it too. But in the US, and also Europe, we have hardly begun to think through the consequences of this shift of power: not just what it will mean for geopolitics or economics but also what it will for our whole western societies. It is such a breathtaking transition that the reaction of many people will be one of denial; that it can't happen. So perhaps the first question to be tackled is whether China's advance really is durable or whether there will be some bump that will deflect its course.

The most helpful framework for looking at the progress of the Chinese economy is the work of the investment bank Goldman Sachs. For the past eight years it has been modelling the growth of the main emerging economies and contrasting it with the performance of the main developed ones. It coined the clever acronym of the "BRICs", to describe the four largest emerging economies, Brazil, Russia, India and China. As it has turned out, China has actually been growing even faster than early versions of the model predicted, with the result that it has been passing the big Western economies even earlier than expected. The latest projections suggest that China will pass the US in 2027; the earlier versions suggested some time in the 2040s. A long-term proposition has become a possibility within 20 years.

Economic models are only economic models and we have had enough experience of economists getting things wrong in the past couple of years to take all growth projections with a certain scepticism. Remember too the way, a generation ago, many people thought the Japanese economy would come to dominate the world. Nevertheless the BRIC model has been a good intellectual anchor and it would be silly not to take its projections extremely seriously. My own view is that it is the best place to start from when thinking about the rise, not just of China, but of India and the rest of the developing world.

If you want to list the possible blocks to growth that China faces, you can bang on quite a while. They include a squeeze on energy and raw material supplies; environmental challenges, particularly over water; the ageing of the population and eventually the shrinking of the workforce; the dependence on foreign export markets including the US; the need to import technologies; and of course all the questions about the viability of an authoritarian political system continuing to coexist with an increasingly liberal economic one.

My feeling is that you have to acknowledge that the challenges are enormous and that any linear projections of anything should be distrusted. Nevertheless, you have to postulate some almost unthinkable catastrophe to believe that the country's progress will be completely blocked. Growth will inevitably slow from its heady 10 per cent a year or more as the population ages, but the Goldman model takes this into account. We should surely accept its advance as probable and indeed desirable. Growth may not be quite as fast as Goldman suggests, though it may actually turn out to be even faster, but the broad direction is pretty much set.

If that is right, China's advance will go far beyond the economic sphere. There are already some obvious political consequences, such as its role in shaping economic development in Africa. Chinese investment there is putting in far more infrastructure than all Western aid put together. But the thing that is perhaps hardest to get our head round is the extent to which Chinese ideas about society will start to influence our own.

We have in the West an inbuilt presumption that the way we organise our societies is, if not optimal, at least a rough model for the rest of the world. But that is in some measure an authority based on economic power. Our self-confidence in the values of our economic system was much increased by the collapse of the alternative version developed in the Soviet Union and the conversion of China towards some sort of market economy. But if we experience stagnation and China experiences growth then we will inevitably do some rethinking about the way we run things.

That re-thinking will surely spread beyond narrow economics. I am not saying that Mr Obama's successors will have to listen patiently to criticism from Chinese leaders about America's approach to human rights. What I am saying is that as we move to a more balanced world in the sphere of economics we will move in parallel to a more balanced world in the spheres of politics and society. The more that mainland China moves towards the Hong Kong model – Hong Kong, for example, is ranked at the top of the economic freedom league tables – the more we may feel we need to learn.

We should surely welcome that. We in the West have been too arrogant for too long. We don't have to buy every aspect of the Chinese model, or the Indian model, or the many other emerging economies models, to respect them and seek to learn from them.

h.mcrae@independent.co.uk

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Oriental gourmet, will travel!
[info]boeticia wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 03:20 am (UTC)
I know what you mean....Europeans, male and female, having tasted the "nektar" of delightful Chinese food are now addicted to it, and learning how to cook it themselves. Tots of Kindergarten age
in the West, are learning Mandarin. I'd call that a pleasant form of globalisation, would you not?
Mandarin to Memorize
[info]ambricourt wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 04:56 am (UTC)
Ambricourt

What - elementary schoolchildren learning Mandarin? Their parents watching made-in-Shanghai films on large-screen television? The Confucian Analects in local libraries? Knowledge of a social tradition that has lasted five thousand years instead of a Christian tag-end of merely two thousand years? When Confucius replaces Aristotle? When - and crucially - the Chinese notion of poets as central and committed to social improvement dismisses the Platonic suspicion of poets as devious and potentially disloyal?

THIS Chinese cultural revolution will be worth experiencing.

"We in the West have been too arrogant for too long," Mr McRae reminds us.

Despair not, citizens.

The first sentence in the Confucian Analects encourages us: "Isn't it pleasant to learn with dedicated perseverance and commitment?"
Yeah let's celebrate
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
our demise.

But not for investment banks, who hope to take an easy ride on the expansion.

As for the rest of us, well if China are so obsessed with their own growth maybe
we'll import less. But as w'ere in no position to dictate, we'll have to take what
we're given.

Anyway, C02. going to hit the roof anyway, with or without china.

Did confusius ever say, " greed will *** us all " ?
The arrival - Gog Magog
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 11:17 am (UTC)

The old testament and the final testament prophecised the arrival of the Gog Magog (Chinese) into the rest of the world. In chapters that have end of days discussions, the books talk of a people who are the children of Adam. They are very large in number and reside behind a barrier for a very long time, but in the final era of humanity, the barrier is dropped/removed by their own action. Once out, the Gog Magog then go about the earth and consume everything that comes across their path.

God knows best.
Chinese Ideas
[info]arbroathsmokie wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 11:43 am (UTC)
Hong Kong is a great model of how society can prosper without needing huge state intervention in people's lives. The GDP of Hong Kong surpassed Britain's about 15 years ago (ie, Hong Kong is wealthier), starting as a very poor place subjected to huge waves of immigration from China in the 1950s and 1960s. There are few welfare benefits and every family is expected to support its members. The education system is good, as is the mixed private/public health system. Hong Kong people are hardworking and law abiding, and most of all, have high aspirations for their children. Having experienced many decades of high quality and extremely efficient colonial administration, they are not overly anxious to have more than the limited democracy now operating, and China should be lauded for not interfering in the territory.

We in Britain could do a lot worse than emulate the Hong Kong approach to government. All those who would stand as candidates for the Westminster Parliament should be required to spend a year attached to the Hong Kong civil service to learn how to govern a society in the interests of the people rather than their own narrow and selfish party interests. That should be a law!
Up to a point
[info]topoftheheap wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 01:32 pm (UTC)
This year marks the 60th anniversary of the Communist Revolution in China, but 2011 will see the centenary of the first Chinese Revolution. This was the result of social collapse, foreign domination, and the attempts of Chinese intellectuals to assimilate Western ideas of governance and social development. The "Three Principles of the People" can be roughly translated as government of the people, by the people, for the people. The first was achieved definitively in 1949 and the third since the death of Mao (and intermittently under his perverse policies), but the second principle, government by the people, is still awaited. What exists in China at the moment is the nearest thing we have yet seen to Plato's Republic, government by the self-chosen wise men for the benefit of the ignorant masses. Well, it has produced some astounding results, but as it was 100 years ago, so it is now: the intellectuals hunger for intellectual freedom. Until this is achieved, I don't think that China will be exporting ideas. Historically the thing that has most propelled the West forward and held China back is the wide (narrow) diffusion of knowledge. Wide diffusion of knowledge is required for China's continued development, and for this somewhat greater political freedom is a necessary condition. That doesn't mean that a Western-style system has to be adopted, but the current forms of thought-policing must be curbed.
We?
[info]billious2 wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 01:40 pm (UTC)
We? Speak for yourself. Personally I am looking forward to it. Can't be any worse than the yanks and at least they know what to do with religious crackpots - wouldn't let them anywhere near the reigns of power, has to be a good start.
China & Human Rights
[info]had_it wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 01:47 pm (UTC)
While Barack was lecturing on Tibet, I was surprised that Hu didn't lecture back on treatment of 12 million illegal immigrants.
Re: China & Human Rights
[info]yahew111 wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 04:14 pm (UTC)
Ha since they are "illegal" what rights should they have? If the US had a policy on immigration like China, or Japan , they wouldn't get in in the first place. YOu are blaming a State which is negligent in controlling it's borders of being more controlled than a "dictatorship" which isnt.

I am sure that the rise of China will begin to show the limitations of democracy - democracy is co-existant with the free market in Western societies but it clearly doesn't have to be. It may also show the limitations of multi-culturalism, the Chinese are Han dominated. That said rule by Engineers is probably better than rule by lawyers, or feudalists, left wing sociology students, or professional politcos.

As for Africa, the Chinese input there is similar to the movement of Western companies in India - the East India companies. Not colonialism yet, but it could well happen ( for instance, in response to an anti-Chinese riot in Africa). The West, will be powerless to stop that anyway, and possibly uninterested.

Re: China & Human Rights
[info]had_it wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 06:32 pm (UTC)
That's my point: In China, illegal immigrants are not in limbo - they know where they stand. I expected Hu to lecture the US on our hypocrisy: we don't want illegls but can't run our economy without them - so it is all done on a nod, a wink and punishment for anyone who falls foul of coincidence.
World's Greatest
[info]corvalisbeety wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 05:55 pm (UTC)
A thousand pardons, my good man, but you've missed the true economic giant of the next generation: Texas. An unyielding faith in the free market, fierce defence of a man's right to protect himself, denial of bogus science, and an abiding embrace of Scripture's eternal principles, and a refusal to impose confiscatory taxes on its citizenry are powering the Lone Star State to its deserved position of economic dominance.
We can't manage without immigrants ??
[info]jpsartre2 wrote:
Wednesday, 18 November 2009 at 07:30 pm (UTC)
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What makes had_it think we can’t run our economy without illegal (or legal) immigrants? In the 1960s,70s,80s and 90s (before the mass import of Polish plumbers) somehow or other, the UK managed to get its plumbing work done. How on Earth did we manage it? I’m baffled (or rather I’m pretending to be baffled).

In fact how does planet Earth manage without importing immigrants from Mars – that’s got me really baffled.
Re: We can't manage without immigrants ??
[info]boeticia wrote:
Thursday, 19 November 2009 at 10:36 am (UTC)
Perhaps imported plumbers are cheaper? Not that it's right, but that could be an explanation why firms that hire them do. Bad for the immigrant workers because they're being exploited and the laws have failed in part to protect their interests. Worse for British plumbers as they're laid off...too pricey!
The British unions are weakened and can't help very much. It's not only in Britain where this is happening, but all over, unfortunately.
[info]everfaithful2u wrote:
Friday, 20 November 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
1, economy. even if the chinese each make half of each American makes, with the eight times of population, they will pass us. It will be 2020m and not 2027,
2, China's upper echelon, those that makes rules, are scientist. One aspect of schooling, we learned what is right and what is wrong. One do not graduate if he choses wrong. By the time you get to make the rules, it becomes a habit to them to do what is right. On the contrary, our system is ruled by the lawyers. In my own experience, the opposit side of the lawyers tend to bend the truth to the point of covering the facts. At the end, fifty percent of the lawyers has to take the opposit side, whether it be right or wrong. Our congressman are mostly, majority the lawyers. If they behave with their habit in court, we will have a very uncertain result, one that does not cherish the truth.
3, Our country was established on the principle of against taxing. Before the wars, we had no tax. With every war, the tax increased. My personal experience is that we, the majority have no more money to invest. This accounts for the fluctuation and downfall of our economy and creative investments. Translation : no money to invest, no money to improve, no money and no opportunity; With the twenty trillion of national debt, it is impossible to eliminate the tax completely, so, base on principle, we have to do something in order not to be eliminated from the economic community. Look at Israel, without our support, where would She be ? I just hope its not too late.
One thing on our side. We have vast natural resources, much more than any country in this world. I know it is not too late, if we act now, honestly, to one self and to all others.

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