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Young women are becoming more violent in a bid for 'respect', but it's a lack of female role models, not alcohol, that's to blame

Janet Street-Porter
Sunday, 3 August 2008

Whichever way you look at it, the latest figures for the number of women arrested for violent behaviour are shocking. Put simply, there has been a 100 per cent increase since 2002-03, from 42,200 to a whopping 87,200. For the first time, it exceeds the number arrested for theft and handling stolen goods (traditionally "female" crimes). The number of women arrested for being drunk and disorderly has also risen by 50 per cent over the past few years.

Now, I would be the last person to denigrate the sisterhood, but reading these statistics makes me feel slightly nauseous. I can't deny that something unpleasant and unpalatable has happened to how a large number of my sex behaves – particularly when drunk and when provoked, even if that provocation might be over something utterly mundane.

A few weeks ago, a couple of male police officers in Croydon, south London, were attacked by a 30-strong mob led by a gang of schoolgirls who bit and bashed them (resulting in hospital treatment) when one officer had the temerity to reprimand a young woman for chucking litter in a shopping precinct. The ensuing riot left everyone who witnessed it completely shocked.

Week in and week out, taxi drivers tell me that the worst people they deal with are not slobbering businessmen but drunken, puking, foul-mouthed women. Shopkeepers in city centres routinely encounter large groups of mouthy teenage girls who not only nick stuff but threaten anyone who confronts them. It seems that some young teenage girls – who probably don't even drink – are demanding the same kind of "respect" as their male counterparts. These girls film violent attacks on their perceived rivals and proudly post them on the internet as some kind of badge of honour. It's profoundly depressing.

It would be easy to say that the current rise in violence is fuelled by alcohol. It does play a part – I am the first to admit, that after a couple of bottles of wine with a bunch of friends, I am louder and more confrontational than usual. But that's not the only answer. For some unknown reason a large number of working-class young women seem desperate to ape all that is most threadbare and pathetic about macho male culture. They seek "respect"– they want us to recognise how important they are.

Stopping teens being able to buy alcohol until they are 21 (as some MPs would like) isn't the simple answer. The rise in violence inflicted by young women is part of a need to assert identity when you have very little self-esteem. The same reason there's a rise in the number of women who self-harm and have eating disorders. A coroner's court last week heard the story of a 16-year-old girl who committed the ultimate violent crime – against herself. Drunk at home, she had a row on the phone with her boyfriend, and took her own life while he was still on the line.

Young women don't have a great selection of role models, and those successful females they might be impressed by – such as Katie Price – have made a career out of their bodies. Even if Ms Price is highly intelligent, her conspicuous consumption and endless self-promotion offers a pretty threadbare manual for living. I just can't sign up to the club of middle-class media types who patronisingly claim she's brilliant.

A lot has been written about young men needing mentors and father figures. These crime figures show that young women need our attention even more.

Life's a beach, Madge, and I'm taking this book

Reading pompous lists of what the famous read on holiday is a hoot. Be honest, most of us won't be packing anything off the 2008 Booker Prize shortlist. I won't be wading through Salman Rushdie's 'The Enchantress of Florence', (set in the 16th century) or 'Netherland' by Joseph O'Neill (about cricket in New York). I've shelled out a tenner for 'Life with My Sister Madonna' by Christopher Ciccone. It's got everything – sex, shopping, religion, and utter ruthlessness. Great photos – Madge with the relatives; Madge in her high-school uniform. What utter disloyalty – no wonder she looked miserable and thin while out with her daughter in New York. Meanwhile, hubbie (speaking dodgy mockney) tells a magazine he travels around London by bike, refers to the police as "the old Bill" and Madonna as "the wife". Sounds like a right pub bore.

Yes, he's an anorak, but Gary could save the NHS

Gary McKinnon faces life imprisonment in the US after losing his appeal against extradition.

The self-confessed "nerd" became a hacker after watching the movie WarGames. Gary – who bears more than a passing resemblance to Star Trek's Vulcan, Mr Spock – was stunningly successful.

Night after night, in his bedroom in north London, Gary popped on a dressing gown, smoked a few spliffs, and managed to hack into the Pentagon, convinced that the US was chatting to aliens and planning to develop weapons with them.

But instead of packing this harmless weirdo off to maximum security to please the yanks, we should be employing his undoubted skills to shore up the creaky computer systems our Government has saddled the NHS and social services with over here.

Sue the bug death culprits

If you or I ran a group of hospitals where 331 people died from a bug, we would find exactly who was to blame. But an inquiry by Kent Police and the Health and Safety Executive has decided that no single "negligent act" caused the death of hundreds of patients in three hospitals run by the Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust. The report found appalling standards of care, crowded wards, poor hygiene, and a shortage of nurses, but, astonishingly, no one faces charges. The former chief executive, Rose Gibb, left by "mutual consent". I hope that relatives of the victims are bringing a civil case against the trust.

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Sigh, why do we bother...? Obviously Amy, you're right, I never said any of those things. Although if people were to think that, it's probabaly comments like "Now I understand why some men crack and kill their kids" which has come from your 'fair' hand. Or "in my experience, women always drive men to hit them" when talking about domestic violence. I literally can't be bothered any more.

You contradict yourself so much and only have one opinion so I've come to the conclusion that you're only on here to wind people up. You haven't even managed that as it's only you that comes off as a nutter. That goes for you to Ivan, you're disgusting. I'm glad they removed that comment. Anyway, I shan't be addressing or replying to either of you anymore. If you can't act like adults you won't be treated like one. Good bye and good luck.

Posted by Sara | 05.08.08, 10:48 GMT

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Take your own advice, talkie boy, seek help, you surely need it. Sara said none of those things and if you think she did then you are deluded. or as Ivan would say DELUDED

Posted by Amy W | 05.08.08, 09:01 GMT

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You Sara have accused me of being a rapist, a wife-beater and a danger to children. Why? Because I have outargued you and put forward lucid and well-argues opinions you don't like. That seems to support my theory that women have evolved to be more devious, manipulative and b*tchy - I am only glad we are not in a custody court and you are using your nasty evil feminine wiles to make sure I get no custody or access of my children.
Now I understand why some men crack and kill their kids - those kinds of lies and false accusations are truly the product of a sick mind. You should be ashamed - and seek help, for goodness sake, for the sake of everyone. SAnd please, don't breed eh? For the sake of humanity.

Posted by Talkie | 04.08.08, 19:56 GMT

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Ha, out argue. He thinks because he's the last one standing he's outargued. That really is the saddest, funniest thing I've heard since, well, computer number I guess! Everyone leaves as soon as he join the message board because he's boring. As soon as he arrives it changes from a board to a bored. Doubt Andrea wants to be seen supporting people like that. Don't suppose it would help by saying that I know what the computer terms are because I have a degree in it... Why am i even bothering. Sheesh kabab talkie why dont you do a little walkie and leave us all alone?

Posted by Sara | 04.08.08, 18:28 GMT

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Amy W sweetie - Sara has accusede me of being a woman-beater, a child-abuser and goodness knows what else. Now I know she is mentally ill, as she has often said, and don't wish to mock, but that really is out of order and has no basis in fact. Similarly, she accuses me of trying to deceive - as though using different names on here was an example of that and there was some rule about using one name! She is deeply unstable, and no doubt you are too - I do not hate women, jsut point out that feminism is the cause of many problems and men and women are not equal or the same but very, veryt different through evolution. But then women are prone of emotional and mental instability, so I pity you and hope you cope well with your condition. It must be tough being so nutty.

Posted by Talkie | 04.08.08, 18:23 GMT

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Hey talkie, I see that your rock Ivan has arrived.

Posted by Amy W | 04.08.08, 18:11 GMT

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Sara, is not a liar, I haven't seen her lie. But you are always hating women on these pages, denigrating them and calling them names. But no one can say anything back to you or you cry. Tough!

Posted by Amy W | 04.08.08, 17:56 GMT

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I'm not raging at anyone AmyWally - and please stop your silly primary schoolgirl cattiness - it's very tedious and tiring. I just point out the nonsense you and your 'rock' Sara spout. Sara is an utter liar.
How about addressing the issue sweetie: 80% of bullies ar female; most domestic violence instugated by women (like you); the law treating women far more leniently; British women being the fattest, most drunken, most diseased, most sl*ggish, most awful women in Europe. I suppose you're proud if that.

THAT is called insecurity, and why on earth do you assume I am a nerd and have no friends or girlfriends because I outargue you on here? You must have very good eyesight to see into my office - or else you're just being a b*tch to try and somehow hurt me (didn't work, then). In fact, all it shows is your insecurity at having friends and partners. Sour Saddos.

Posted by Talkie | 04.08.08, 17:49 GMT

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I wonder WHERE'S OUR "CONSCIENTIOUS", "NON-FEMINIST" Andrea, to reprimand Sara and Amy ? :)

She's, as a "non-feminist", always there to reprimand those who use harsh language with the man-hating-sicko-feminists here...

Dictionary: penis envy

n.
The supposed wish of a girl or woman to have a penis, postulated by Sigmund Freud as a cause of feelings of inferiority and psychic conflict.

Posted by Ivan | 04.08.08, 17:46 GMT

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If you don't care what Sara thinks talkie boy, then why are you raging at her?

Posted by Amy W | 04.08.08, 17:31 GMT

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