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Johann Hari: Why are we silent as Cameron preaches voodoo economics?

Cameron is advocating policies that will benefit his tiny class of Trustafarians

The political H-bomb of Expensaggeddon has confirmed the belief that our politicians are a homogeneous class of crooks only interested in themselves. The gaps between the parties look increasingly like a fatuous blur, designed to cover the looting of the tax-payer. And it's true those gaps are way too narrow, clustering the parties well to the right of public opinion, where they are largely accountable to the rich rather than us. But these differences are, in reality, still wide enough to determine whether millions of us will keep our jobs and our homes. And nobody is telling you how. The dry rot is not only running through Margaret Moran's second home. No. It now runs right through our coverage of politics – and especially of the man most likely to be the next Prime Minister.

A series of disturbing facts have leeched out about David Cameron over the past fortnight – but they have been virtually unreported. The Tory leader has started advocating a form of economics so extreme it was derided even by the first George Bush as "voodoo economics", and revealed he is so out of touch with ordinary people he doesn't even know how many houses he owns. We failed for years to expose the MPs' expenses scam. Isn't it time for journalists to pull the news agenda out of Douglas Hogg's moat and start exposing the facts about Cameron that will affect us even more bitterly than the stench from the Fees Office?

Let's start with a tiny story, that points to a bigger untold tale. A few days ago, the Leader of the Opposition was asked how many homes he owns. "I own a house in North Kensington and... in the constituency in Oxfordshire and that is, as far as I know, all I have," he said. He then started to get confused, said he might own four homes after all, and pleaded: "Do not make me sound like a prat for not knowing how many houses I've got." Imagine if Neil Kinnock said this in 1991. Do you think you might have heard?

The fact that David and Samantha Cameron are worth an almost-entirely-inherited £30m, according to financial expert Philip Beresford, isn't in itself damning. Franklin Roosevelt was very rich, but became a great crusader for the poor. But Cameron is advocating policies that will benefit his tiny class of super-rich Trustafarians at the expense of the rest of us. He is committed to spending billions on a massive tax cut for the richest inheritees, paid for by the bottom 94% of us – and now he has announced his enthusiasm for a bogus economic theory that will justify shovelling far more of our money their way.

Although you wouldn't know itDavid Cameron's economic philosophy was already surprisingly far outside the political mainstream before his latest revelation. President Barack Obama explained why in a recent speech , where he was arguing against the Republican hard right who take the same line. He said: "Economists on both the left and right agree that the last thing a government should do in the middle of a recession is to cut back on spending. You see, when this recession began, many families sat around their kitchen table and tried to figure out where they could cut back.

"That is a completely responsible and understandable reaction. But if every family in America cuts back, then no one is spending any money, which means there are more layoffs, and the economy gets even worse. That's why the government has to step in and temporarily boost spending in order to stimulate demand."

Cameron is almost alone in the democratic world in disagreeing and demanding immediate cuts in public spending as the global economy grinds to a halt. When I asked this year's Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman whether this would make the recession worse, he replied: "Yes. For sure," and then added that Cameron's policies were "pure Herbert Hoover."

This is serious enough – although hardly anyone knows it. But then, two weeks ago, Cameron went even further. He was asked about whether the government's proposals to increase taxes on the richest one percent would raise more money for the Treasury. He replied: "It's a very difficult calculation about where we are on the Laffer Curve... We have to put this [top rate of tax] in a queue of things we would want to get rid of... and I'm always interested in topping up my study of Laffer."

To most people, this sounds like gibberish. Who is this "Laffer" who Cameron is turning to as the measure of whether tax policy works?

Arthur Laffer is an economist who was fired from the Nixon administration in disgrace and went on to invent a false economic theory. He was picked out by the Watergate-wet Richard Nixon when he made a prediction about economic growth that was way ahead of every other economist. Nixon put it into every speech – until it was revealed that, while other economists had used thousands of variables to arrived at their predictions, Laffer had used just four – and got it totally wrong. He was fired, and that should have been the end of him.

But Laffer was befriended by Dick Cheney, and in 1974 they invented an economic theory on the back of a cocktail napkin – literally. Laffer claimed that cutting taxes on the rich was always right, because when you cut their taxes the rich had extra incentives, so they worked harder, and paid the money back (and more) in extra revenue.

To illustrate this, he drew a diagram. As the writer Jonathan Chait explains in his The Big Con: The True Story of How Washington Got Hoodwinked and Hijacked by Crackpot Economics: "He pulled out a cocktail napkin and drew a parabola-shaped curve on it. The premise of the curve was simple. If the government sets a tax rate of zero, it will receive no revenue. And if the government sets a tax rate of 100 percent, the government will also receive zero tax revenue, because nobody will have an incentives. Between these two points – zero taxes and zero revenue – Laffer's curve drew an arc. The arc suggested that at higher levels of taxation, reducing the tax rate would actually produce more revenue for the government."

It was a magic formula – you can cut taxes for the rich and you won't lose a penny in tax revenues! There's no business cycle – only marginal tax rates make the economic weather. Cut! Cut!

There's just one problem. It's a fantasy. Look at the facts in Laffer's own country. From 1947 to 1964, the top rate of tax in the US was 91 percent. Using the Laffer Curve, the economy should have been in the tank – but in fact it was enjoying the longest sustained boom of the twentieth century. In the 1980s, Reagan slashed the top rate – but there was a severe recession in 1982, and the growth that followed was merely an average recovery. Then in 1993, Clinton increased the top rate of tax from 31 to 39.6%, and Laffer predicted an economic collapse. In fact, there was the next long boom.

And so it goes on. Chait puts it well: "It is impossible to see how events could have turned out worse for them, short of God appearing on Earth to denounced the Laffer Curve as an abomination."

Why would Cameron want to surf the Laffer Curve now, when it is discredited except among the fringes of the Republican Party and the Spectator right? Because it sets up a logic where there should be more tax cuts for his own tiny bloated over-class – the only people he has ever known. (Remember: this is a man who said his wife is "highly unconventional" because "she went to a day school.")

If you bother to read Cameron's statements, it's clear how he will pay for these cuts for himself and his friends – by slashing the few redistributive programmes for the poor built up over the past decade, like the Educational Maintenance Allowance for poor kids to stay on to sixth form which his team derides as a "bribe", or the tax credits which his frontbench openly compares to the disastrous nationalised industries of the 1970s, or the SureStart centres which he has described as "a microcosm of government failure." They belong to a world he has never seen, or shown any interest in.

But little of this is explained to the British people. Instead, the public is presented with a picture of Cameron as an ordinary bloke who will govern in the interests of us all. Yesterday, his call for minor constitutional tinkering was reported as it was a big-picture solution to our busted political system – even though Cameron scorned the reform that matters most: proportional representation.

The fact that Labour is lying by the roadside barely twitching is no excuse for the failure to inform us about what the alternative will mean. As one political journalist recently said sardonically that if Cameron announced the slaying of the first born, he would be applauded for having a great policy for second children. When are we going to start seeing through him?

j.hari@independent.co.uk

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Tax Credits
[info]barncactus wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:04 am (UTC)
If the British took any notice of what goes on around them they would start asking questions about tax credits. Forget the laughable administration, forever tripping over itself and having to write off another few billion, just think about what is really happening. The state, that is the few unfortunate people who pay direct taxes, is doubling the net incomes of many working people. Doubling. Now it is not worth trying to get another, decently paid job. You don't have to be very clever to get the equivalent of more than the average wage plus all the usual things like housing benefit and council tax benefit on top. Stingy employers can get away with lousy wages because the good old taxpayer will make up the difference.
The whole tax credit thing is enormously expensive and has gone too far, its administration a farce that only the former Inland Revenue could conceive. Its retrospective calculation basis forced HMRC to ignore changes of up to 25000 pounds in a year, making alterations during the year was so complex. Many if not most recipients find the calculations daunting and the reporting requirements too draconian. The paperwork is confusing and its style patronising. Many are unintentionally overclaiming and have to repay excess credits, often large sums.
The amounts paid are so high in some cases that there seems to be a cloak of silence around them - you never hear the matter discussed, it's a sort of benefits information black hole into which information gets sucked.
While I definitely want to help people whose short term situation is financially difficult, why do we need to offer quite so much help and why is it permanent with no time limit? Any society needs to support its poorest, but is it necessary to move them above the national average net income? Yet another well meaning government idea that has turned into an incentive to underperform through sloppy drafting and poor administration.
Look over the Irish sea or to Latvia
[info]lse_scientist wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:24 am (UTC)
Cameron is almost alone in the democratic world in disagreeing and demanding immediate cuts in public spending as the global economy grinds to a halt.

Johann Hari look to Ireland. Or to Latvia where wages have been reduced by at least 15 percent for most civil servants. VAT up to 21 percent from 18 percent. It is not voodoo economics, it is our future.
Latvia and Ireland did increase taxes!
[info]hcurtiss wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 05:50 am (UTC)
April 2009, income tax increases for high wage earners in Ireland was about 300 Euros.(Virtually at parity with pound). Latvia under pressure from IMF preferred to increase taxes via a VAT hike. Both countries have small populations and benefit from tiger economies which sent wages sky rocketing. Our decline is also linked to world economic crisis, but also an inexorable decline in manufacture, a nightmarish failure of banks to act intelligently, and a reliance on the housing bubble to underwrite our credit. We are stuffed! We don't need voodoo economics, we need a miracle.
Re: Look over the Irish sea or to Latvia - [info]bowesy - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:03 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Look over the Irish sea or to Latvia - [info]hiragani - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]claudiusgoth wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:32 am (UTC)
Thanks Johann for another insightful article. I feel suicidal and depressed as all hell but what the heck!
Harikari....vile creature
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:39 am (UTC)
Last paragraph, last sentence....well we've seen through you..bigoted, one sided..and pretty disgusting on a obvious issue (the death of his son), which you cannot......and never will contemplate....
Re: Harikari....vile creature
[info]steve_wilds wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
What has that got to do with the death of Cameron's son?

You're tilting at windmills, mate.
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]bowesy - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]brumbar - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]bowesy - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 09:21 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]brumbar - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]robjon - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]brumbar - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]bowesy - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 01:55 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]robjon - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 03:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Harikari....vile creature - [info]thomas_66 - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC) Expand
Well said, Mr Hari.
[info]samb_uk wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 01:00 am (UTC)
I completely agree. People have become so blinded by their hate for Labour that they are embracing other parties e.g. the BNP and the Tories without fully appreciating the consequences of their decision.

The (Conservative-dominated) media has for too long being soft on Cameron.
Re: Well said, Mr Hari.
[info]blocksofwood wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
Conservative-dominated media? Are you actually watching the BBC reading some Newspapers? The BBC wouldn't dare mention a bad word about Labour. Why do you think they always mention the Conservative expenses and fudge the Labour MPs'.

As for Hari, the last paragraph about slaying the first born was and is insensitive and in bad taste. As a so called journalist he went fishing.
cameron
[info]angryman9 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 01:42 am (UTC)
What a load of cobblers, there are so many areas where public spending is out of control in this country. BILLIONS are being poured down the public drain.
There is ample scope for savings.
Your remarks at the close of this hogwash are disgraceful.
Try getting a job at The Morning Star.
[info]threebrothers wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 01:44 am (UTC)
Johann Hari has repeatedly underestimated David Cameron, but on this occasion his class hatred has become hysterical to the point (penultimate sentence) where he has completely lost his sense of judgement and even humanity.The accusation of voodoo economics seems to be mainly generated by the need for the next government to review and cut public expenditure.The parallel with the US is spurious since Britain's public finances are in a far worse state, partly because of the actions of an incompetent New Labour administration for which Hari has been such a shrill and partisan cheerleader.
Underestimated? Don't make me laugh
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
Cameron has been repeatedly overestimated. That is the point of this article. His whole set of policies is ill-thought out and dangerous and has not been subjected to proper scrutiny.
Roosevelt
[info]jimjanja wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 04:07 am (UTC)
If you looked at Hoover's policies you would see that he started many of the policies that Roosevelt took over and renamed the New Deal. At the end of Roosevelt's time in office the rich were richer, much like with Tony Blair. Roosevelt may have talked the talk on the poor, but he didn't walk the walk.
Regardless of who wins the next election there will be cuts in spending. If you looked at what happened in Britain during the Great Depression you would see that cuts in taxes and spending revived our economy faster than America's. In any case the markets will force this policy, as we won't be able to borrow much more.
Can you assure us that you do nothing to limit your tax liability, like Labour ministers do?
Re: Roosevelt
[info]jimmy_m86 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 11:02 am (UTC)
Regarding the desirability of cutting government spending in a recession, have a look at the recession in America during 1920-1921. Wilson and Harding's administrations cut spending and cut taxes, and guess what! Economic recovery was swift, and America then experienced a decade of economic expansion.

Hoover was an activist, and set in train many of the policies that Roosevelt pursued. This is why there was a Great Depression rather than a mild recession a la 1920-1921.

Re the Laffer Curve: stinging the very rich with 80 percent plus rates of taxation (which you seem to want) will reduce their contribution to the exchequer. Why? Well, when my father worked for a large British merchant bank back in the seventies - when the top rate was about 90 percent (I forget the exact figure) - even the most senior employees weren't paid a salary that placed them in the top bracket. They just received loads of bonuses that in effect boosted their income into the top bracket - for example, the bank would pay employees' private school fees.

They did away with these perks when the top rate was lowered to 40 percent. Employees preferred choosing what they bought rather than having a list of bank-approved bonuses to choose from, and it was obviously easier for the bank just to pay a straight salary.

Paying more tax at 40 percent was the price you paid for having a higher discretionary income. It's not hard to see why lower rates on the richest can mean they pay more tax than if rates were very high.
cameron"s economics
[info]billc79 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 04:07 am (UTC)
if the laffer curve were proposed by anyone in the us today, he (or she) would be stomped into the ground by a stampede of professional economists, whether liberal or conservative, keynesian or friedmanite. even mr laffer's former department head at the u of chicago (home of neoclassical economics) strongly disagreed with this theory.
Cameron's economics
[info]corbycom wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 05:19 am (UTC)
Geoffrey Howe and Niger lawson demonstrated that lower and simplified taxes worked. It should be recollected that hundreds of economists opposed Geoffrey Howe's policies: they were proved wrong.

The problem is that the public sector has become bloated and inefficient under Labour and it is not affordable: it sucks resource from the wealth creating private sector. It also inhibits the delivery of good quality public services.

That David Cameron's economic policies are so derided can be nothing but good news -the economists that deride them were part of the problem - generally they failed to predict the credit crunch, and now their "cure" want, like Johann Hari's is "more of the same" . their solutions are like proposing another bottle of booze for an alcoholic.

The only concern is that a future Conservative government will not cut quickly and deeply enough.

Re: Cameron's economics
[info]quietzapple wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 05:32 am (UTC)
Howe doubled VAT going into a recession, contrary to their election promises. and prolonged the whole disaster.

Growth under Thatcher/Major was disasterously low.

We have just enjoyed a record breaking 11 years' uninterrupted economic growth, despite the USA led recession of 2001.

It is no surprise that the multi-millionaire Cameron, who doesn't know how many houses he and his wife own, will be following the wishes of his billionaire master Lord Ashcroft, that is what he has been spending his millions to buy. Ironically Michael Howard refused to let Ashcroft dictate strategy, he wanted donations without strings.

Ashcroft's people have more space in Tory HQ than Cameron has, many Britons are being led by the nose. Not least conservative party members.
Re: Cameron's economics - [info]timurlenk1 - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:46 am (UTC) Expand
But he's a smiler. He's a charmer. The mindless mob love him.
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 05:23 am (UTC)
Yes this isn't gonna be pretty and the election is a one night stand the masses will later regret. But the unthinking masses want Mr Happy in number ten. They will have Mr Happy in number ten. You can reason, or try to reason, with these blind urges but it is no use. It is like falling in love with the wrong man and will only be realised after the wedding. The divorce should be more bloody for having a dour father....but shush about things like that for now!
Utter tosh.
[info]mombasa123 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 06:08 am (UTC)
It's very simple. Don't care about this economic theory vs that one. All I know is that as an individual I left UK for HK almost 2 years ago. I pay 15% tax in HK and work my bollox off because I know I get to keep most of what I earn and that what I do pay is used wisely. In the UK, why would to work so hard and give 50-60% of my earnings to a wasteful and incompetant government?

So, I left.

You might say good riddance but look at it this way. I took my role at a top tier US Investment Bank with me. That job is gone forever for the UK. As is the massive amount of tax I paid. And, I'm no the only one who's left and is leaving.

Oh, and another thing. People work hard here no matter who or what they are. They have pride. The don't ask for handouts because they want to be in Bentley one day. No class envy here. This is one reason the West is doomed. Keep on peddling your class hatred and it will only hasten the end.

Game Over.
Re: Utter tosh.
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC)
Good riddance to you, you selfish twirp. Who wants to live in Hong Kong? Who wants citizens who want to contribute nothing to the society in which they live.
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Re: Utter tosh. - [info]mombasa123 - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 11:11 am (UTC) Expand
This in the end a Satanic thought do not laaffff when you fart....
[info]famulla wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
Johann Hari: Why are we silent as Cameron preaches voodoo economics?
Johann, I love you for your very sensitive issues you take by tail, twist this and leave it to us, laughing your heads to what we say. I will take that. Thank you, you are every kind. Now my points. I read your, you have to read mine.
Trustafarians
I checked up this in the spellcheckers, I get trust, safaris, Africans and Rhinos.
There are voodoos in Africa and there lions and elephant around Kilimanjaro the highest mountain in Africa (this is for the British who stayed from Oxford Street to Bond Street)
We are broke and the riches have the good times.
Let's start with a tiny story that points to a bigger untold tale. Okay, if ride the horse I am with you. .. as far as I know, all I have. He means the ?limit? the miles from UK. You are a bad reader and a bad Ed. He may have some in France and he does not speak French I got this from the girl friend of Barcsolini. (Correct m here as my Italian is as bad as English) The Italian Mafiosi
Who is this "Laffer"? One who has the ulcer and tries to fart but cannot laugh. A poorly frustrated person. Arthur Laffer is an economist who was fired from the Nixon administration in disgrace and went on to invent a false economic theory. You see that?
Variables to arrive at their predictions, Laffer had used just four ? and got it very wrong. He was fired, and that should have been the end of him. He was out of gas and he had no more. That is not a crime.
But Dick Cheney befriended Laffer, and in 1974 they invented an economic theory on the back of a cocktail napkin and they went to Bush and Tony, rushed to Iraq to get more gas?
Why we are silent as Cameron preaches voodoo economics?
Have some manners. That is the UK. When you sneeze, you say, ?Excuse me?. When you gas, ?You say voodoo, or who done??
Franklin Roosevelt was very rich, but became a great crusader for the poor. Yes and he is dead. These are alive and roasting us
atone
PRONUNCIATION:
(uh-TOHN, rhymes with phone)
MEANING:
verb tr., intr.: To make amends for.
ETYMOLOGY:
From the contraction of the phrase "at one" meaning "to be in harmony".
USAGE:
"While society must be protected from those who might pose it a threat, it is vital we let people get on with their lives once they have atoned."
Éamonn Mac Aodha; Minor Offenders Need More Help to Escape Spectre of Past Crime; The Irish Times (Dublin); Apr 28, 2009.
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Whoe'er excels in what we prize / Appears a hero in our eyes. -Jonathan Swift, satirist (1667-1745)
This in the end a Satanic thought do not laaffff when you fart....
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Another Blair
[info]hodgeey wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 06:44 am (UTC)
A pretty face spouting hogwash, controlled by others, concerned primarily about himself, his party and his friends.

A supporter of the Iraq invasion, a tolerator of the EU, a participant in the expenses gravy train; a murderer, traitor and thief just like Blair.
Too many houses disqualify Dave from office
[info]catotheoldie wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 06:47 am (UTC)
S'obvious. Bloke's a toff. No rite ter be prime minster. Don't know nuthin' about ordinry peeple. Not like Gordon. 'Ees orl rite, 'ee is. That 10p tax blunder wot left pore peeple worse off, mistake anyone can make. Innit.

Do give over, Johann Hari. No-one is buying into your snidery any more. Not after Crewe and Nantwich, when Labour carried out a politics-of-envy toff-smearing campaign against the Tory candidate while their own was listed in Burke's Landed Gentry.
Voodoo economics
[info]juliandbsmith wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 06:58 am (UTC)

It's not the people, it's the media, nobody knows what the collective mind thinks until an election. We might all have a surprise! I see media hysterics, whipping up hatred to boost newspaper sales and promote their interests or those of their shadowy backers. The privately educated chattering classes have spotted their poster boy and he's scented blood. There is a couple of reasons Brown has fallen out of favour, one, he doesn't smooze the media, he blanks it, so he he's a target, and two, he's got a funny face, can't smile, can't look right, never mind his eye, he doesn't look right. So Cameron your man, obviously the right stuff, smooth skin, unblemished symmetrical features, stands to right he knows what he is doing! He looks pretty good at the dispatch box and can turn on his backbenchers when he wants, must be a good un.

Well he'll probably get what he wants, and what he deserves, to clean up the mess created by the self serving elite he so excellently represents. The trouble is, he hasn't a clue about the lower orders, the estates, crime, public service, witness his awful "hug a hoodie" moment in Manchester. I'm afraid we will have another wasted decade, another generation of teenage undereducated mothers building a permanent underclass, more front line cuts in public service while the backroom gets more and more bloated, more government contracts for failing initiatives, for "privatisation" all that "radical" roll back the state stuff that has put so much money into the pockets of the (largely American consultancy, HR, IT and finance boys that have bolstered our extremely well padded senior civil service.

Of course I maybe wrong, perhaps he is the chap to halve the salary bill in the civil service, implode the Quangos, put the City in a strait jacket, decimate the social security featherbedding of underachieveing companies by tripling the minimum wage whilest cutting the dole. Perhaps? but then he wouldn't have any friends, no one would invite him to parties anymore and inevitably his friends in the media will turn, as they always do, and he will like all his predecessors, be in the bin.
Cameron
[info]chrishale53 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 07:05 am (UTC)
This is an excellent analysis - and a frightening one. Cameron must not win.

Chris Hale, Berlin
Voodoo or a religion?
[info]frigalo wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
"Can't buck the markets" the Thatcherites trilled in the 1980s. Let it rip. Well they (and the Blairite followers) certainly have torn it. The whole world looked on in awe (and disbelief) as she and her party destroyed monetary controls of greedy bankers and hedge funders. Most of the world followed suit. So why would anyone want to vote for her party ever again? (Given that without PR they didn't, in any great numbers). Because economics is like religion - you have to believe in it. Well like religion, there are increasing numbers of people who are coming down on the atheist's side of the fence. Pick your ridiculous theory Mr Cameron but don't expect thinking people to join your church.
Re: Voodoo or a religion?
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 09:17 am (UTC)
That's clever but so hurtful. You can't tell the truth in so obvious a manner without being ignored.
old
[info]pilsden wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 07:21 am (UTC)
When did you write this it sounds like a rerun of the november stimulus debate.

Perhaps you should study a bit more .Cameron has advocated monetary policies and history will show it is these that brought an end to the recession, it's not called a credit crisis for no reason.These half implemented keynsian actions are a way in most countries for infrastructure investment unjustifiable in normal times because of low returns(so by definition low multiplier)
PERHAPS Mr Hari you should have reported the fact that GORDON BROWN got the economics and cycle wrong ,kind of a big mistake if you are saviour of the world economy.This destroys any claim to economic competence and no mention of deficits by this man who fiddles numbers.
ref;http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/4513
Hari's cult of envy.
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 07:46 am (UTC)
Hari, as usual you write an enormous amount of rubbish. It is not only Cameron who is talking about cuts in public spending, your own hero Gordon the Moron has had to admit to the same policy. But this will only happen after the next election, which the deluded idiot, still thinks he can win.

Your horrible envy of the Cameron's wealth is typical of a mean minded Socialist. It is estimated that your other hero Blair is already a multimillionaire, but I guess that is alright as he is also a sort of lefty.

Unfortunately for you and your ilk, we know just what a mess Brown made of our economy when he was at the Treasury so your propaganda will thankfully fall on deaf ears.

Re: Hari's cult of envy.
[info]ralph23 wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 10:49 am (UTC)
ptstroud, the point of Johan Hari's quote of Cameron trying to pretend he only had two houses was nothing to do with envy. The point was that your hero Dave was tempted to massage the public perception of his property portfolio and then at the last minute wisely took refuge in a Tim-Nice-But-Dim moment of fake confusion. The wider point is that Dave espouses voodoo economics out of a desire to help the type of people who can't quite remember how many houses they own.
[info]bowesy wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 07:51 am (UTC)
As usual a load of made up points and political perspective masquerading as fact - "a journalist said" etc. Your articles are at best one sided and generally rely on made up "facts" - and to quote yourself "you can have your own opinions but not your own facts".

What CAmeron has shown is leadership and that is something Brown does not have. He has been quick off the blocks with real points, not window dressing, and real action. Frankly he is like a breath of fresh air, and has moved against some heavyweight guys in his own party.

The mess that this government have left this country in and how we move forward is actually worth some time looking at. Your time would be better spent in thinking about how we get out of this mess, and that is clearly not by carrying on with Labour, Nu or old.

Cameron will never be perfect, but he is effective. He has real ability and Brown has never had that - well out of uni life that is. Who else is there for the job?

The question I ask is when are we going to see through you?
What leadership would that be?
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
What leadership has he shown? The ability to bray the loudest and shout a lot. No leadership in terms of policies - just on-the-hoof announcements that seek to make the best of any media opportunities. No consistent thought-out programme, no project for the future. Nothing.
Re: What leadership would that be? - [info]brumbar - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC) Expand
Re: What leadership would that be? - [info]bowesy - Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 02:04 pm (UTC) Expand
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high rate tax
[info]pilsden wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
Oh I forgot on Laffer ,the issue is not necessarily about a theory as much as the practice there is history to show high rates don't necessarily raise increased taxes.The reason is often avoidance.

To prove the point on a topical note Cabinet Ministers and Chancellor Darling are avoiding the new 50%
on their expenses or is that their idea of Leadership.

No mention of the 11 may economists letter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/5309591/Economists-letter-spells-out-what-went-wrong.html
No mention of Tim Geitner talking about the US deficit presumably because he sounds too close to the conservative view.
What a Laff!
[info]voroddo wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
"Who else is there for the job?" Hilarious that all the Tory apologists on here think that BECAUSE Brown & Co. are despicable, the boys from Eton must be their suitable successors. You'll notice that's just about all they can say -- no attempt of course to defend the ludicrous Laffer as the source of Housewives' Choice's "wisdom". What a crew! But as Hari urges, Cameron and his hollowheads WILL, increasingly, be exposed. Most people don't want their cosmetic, regressive, antique "solutions" any more than they want Broon and his surveillance state.
[info]mwreid wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:26 am (UTC)
That analysis is far too simple and politically slanted.

More expenditure in the public sector on things that benefit the long term economy (building infrastructure for example) will help in a recession.

Employing people in non jobs which do not add economic value will not improve the economy.

It is argued that it is better to employ someone in a non job (eg local govt officer for carrots) than have them on the dole. Societly that may be true. But is hugely better to direct that person to the provision of services that improve the economy like better health or education.

It is not true that 94% of tax payers will ''pay for'' the tax reduction of the top tax payers. That only applies if there is a net reduction in public revenues and public costs remain unchanged.

The UK economy is imbalanced with a public sector that is too large for its tax base and one for which the Govt appears to be in denial about the quality of services. Public services and infrastructure are not good enough for the money being spent on them. So, cutting them appears illogical.

What they need is to be better run to provide better services with modern infrastrucure -and views will differ in how to do thaty. My own opion is that if they were run differently (a small book could be written about how) more could be achieved with lower costs.

Do I understand where Cameron is coming from ? Not really. What I do know is that we are not well served by Tories who think cutting costs is running things and by Labour who think wasting money is ''investment''.

What we need urgently is more honesty and realism about what we can afford and what to expect for the tax we pay.
Overindulgence
[info]alan_honiton wrote:
Wednesday, 27 May 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
To suffer such an evacuation as this article, Mr Hari, I can only imagine that you have been over indulging in the Dorset Naga. Your implication is that Gordon has done a good job and that David will do a bad job, and that all we've got to do is keep on doing what Gordon has always done. But doesn't that mean that we will just get more of the same that we have already got? Surely there has got to come a time when the body tells the brain to stop feeding it life threatening substances. Another 5 years on a Brown diet could just about finish us off.
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