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Kim Sengupta: The West cannot afford to make any more mistakes

Speaking about the military doctrine the Americans are taking into Helmand, US Army Brigadier General Larry Nicholson said: "Where we go, we will stay, and where we stay, we will hold, and we will build." The policy differs from that adopted by the British forces in the province who could not often hold the terrain, not because they did not want to, but because there were not enough boots on the ground to do so.

The problem this posed could be seen at a number of flashpoints. At Kajaki, I accompanied British troops who fought hard to capture an enemy position and then had to withdraw because it was simply not possible to keep it occupied. Within a day or so, we would again start taking rocket and mortar fire from the same position.

Garmsir, on the other hand, is an example of what can be achieved with adequate troop numbers. I was there in 2006. The main urban centre – known as "the snake's head" because of its topography – had seen constant fighting, changing hands between coalition forces and militants. One attempt to wrest control was undertaken by just 17 British troops alongside 10 Estonians and 200 Afghans.

But last year, a force of 2,000 US Marines, backed by massive firepower, captured Garmsir. And returning a month ago it was still out of Taliban hands, and in fact had a thriving market.

Aware that the 17,000 American troops pouring into Helmand brought with them the possibility of the province turning into a US show, British military commanders asked for 2,500 extra troops to boost the 8,000-strong contingent. The-then defence secretary, John Hutton, supported the proposal but the Prime Minister refused it, authorising instead a temporary deployment of just 700 for the election period in August. The plan now is that with the US forces carrying out the majority of the offensive operations, the British will be able to concentrate on smaller areas where they can provide the necessary security for reconstruction. Whether all this works remains to be seen.

A long hot summer of attritional fighting is expected and the political landscape may change with the 20 August ballot. What the West cannot afford to do is make more mistakes in Afghanistan. And time is not on their side.

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[info]thomasth wrote:
Thursday, 2 July 2009 at 11:56 pm (UTC)
It's one big mistake - and getting bigger.
What the West cannot afford to do is make more mistakes in Afghanistan. And time is not on their sid
[info]famulla wrote:
Friday, 3 July 2009 at 12:02 pm (UTC)
What the West cannot afford to do is make more mistakes in Afghanistan. And time is not on their side.
KIM
What is WEST?
Why do you talk of West?
West makes a mistake, West rushes to Russia, Japan, India, Korea, Iran, and try to dominate these. West takes oil from the Middle East hoards this and sales at the price we have no idea in transit. East is messed up because of West. On the other hand, is East or was following USA to be specific all the time? Now that USA is leaning badly in the grooves of the economy quagmires, we talk of UK out now USA as West. Friend the BBC I read has another name if you did not hear. It is Bush Blaire Corporation.
UK is following blindly to USA including this bloody keyboard I use and the spelling of centre to center.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
Yet another "search and destroy" wild goose chase
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Friday, 3 July 2009 at 03:09 pm (UTC)
When have Yanks ever gotten anywhere with their preannounced and cumbersome "search and destroy" hunting parties? We know exactly where it got them in Vietnam: clambering on the last departing choppers from the roof of the US embassy. In Iraq, the resistance knew exactly when the Yanks would roll out in force and simply mined the roads and vanished. The Yank offensive operations in Iraq only produced Yank casualties and never succeeded in dislodging the resistance from any area. The Yanks finally licked the Sunni resistance with a combination of bribes (the "Sons of Iraq"), ethnic cleansing by the Shiites, and war crimes against Sunni civilians on a massive scale.

So now Obomber is starting out with Dumbya's first elementary mistake, one he in turn inherited from Vietnam.

The notion that Yanks can "hold and build" simply because they are getting a few thousand reinforcements is ludicrous. There are millions of warlike Pashtuns with a huge opium-financed war chest. The Tajik and Uzbek narco-warlords in Kabul have a vested interest in seeing the Pashtuns continue selling opium and buying arms. Nothing that the Yanks can throw at the Pashtuns will ever overwhelm them and nothing that the Yanks do can will ever "fix" Afghanistan.
Re: Yet another "search and destroy" wild goose chase
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Friday, 3 July 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
'There are millions of warlike Pashtuns with a huge opium-financed war chest.' You'd think that their fellow Pashtuns would be at least a little bit better off, with all that money sloshing around. No trickle-down effect here, it seems. Of course, it must be the fault of those pesky Yanks, and the Brits, who are the only ones spending money in the field on medical facilities, schools, agricultural programmes, building infastructure, and so on. Why do we bother?
Re: Yet another "search and destroy" wild goose chase
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Friday, 3 July 2009 at 07:40 pm (UTC)
Who do you think is providing humanitarian relief to the millions of Pashtun refugees of the Yank stooge Zardari's war on his own people?

In Refugee Aid, Pakistan?s War Has New Front


Signs of the organizational strength and robust coffers of Islamist charities were easy to see around the camps, often in contrast to the lack of services offered by the government.

For example, Al Khidmat, Mr. Hassan's group, arranged to bring in eye surgeons from Punjab to staff a free eye clinic for the displaced, offering cataract operations and eyeglasses.

"Government hospitals are nonexistent here, and we are able to treat not only the displaced but the whole community," said one of the surgeons, Dr. Khalid Jamal.

Meanwhile, Mr. Hassan was busy checking new temporary schools, health clinics and four ambulances on 24-hour service that Al Khidmat had set up.

BTW "Al Khidmat" is the same charity that CIA agent Tim Osman aka Osama bin Laden was using as a front in the US to recruit Jihadis:

Bin Laden Comes Home to Roost


His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story

Michael Moran, MSNBC NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow's invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamat - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.
Re: Yet another "search and destroy" wild goose chase
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 07:44 am (UTC)

Shame that Islamist charities won't do anything for the people of Afghanistan, then. All that Islamists do there is terrorise the local population.

In fact the reason why the majority population in Pakistan has suddenly turned against the Taliban,which had a wide degree of populist sympathy before, is that they have seen what happened to the local population in Pakistan when the Taliban takes over. Details of their extremely brutal, terrorising rule, including the casual execution of a young couple for adultery, were captured on video and widely circulated, causing widespread revulsion. The position at present is that the majority of the population in Pakistan are prepared to put up with the excesses of the army as long as the Taliban are neutralised.



Re: Yet another "search and destroy" wild goose chase
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Sunday, 5 July 2009 at 10:09 am (UTC)
"the majority population in Pakistan has suddenly turned against the Taliban"

Hell you ain't jaded, dude, you're just totally smashed. Stoned, doped-out, trippin. You're shooting way too much of that Afghan poppy-juice, it's making you believe that Pak propaganda is real. Remember Pakistan, home base of the guys who shot up Mumbai, paid Mohammed Atta, peddled nukes to Iran and Libya? Take that Afpak feelgood juice with a pinch of salt, is my advice to you.
Where "we" will go "we" will NOT stay because "we" will be kicked out
[info]rcheeseman wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
The age of the great capitalist empires is over, not just the age of the British Empire but also the age of the US empire which with its European vassals euphemistically calls itself "the West".

The empire's "mistake" in Afghanistan is being there in the first place. The idea that the rule of an alien empire over the Afghans will become more acceptable to them as entrenched colonial garrisons in the towns than it has been as a hit-and-run punitive force is at once naive and hubristic.

No amount of imperial violence however applied will entrench the colonial regime. The occupation is doomed to fail, and the defeat of the imperial legions will be a good thing.

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