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What should the Labour Party do next?

With the Labour Party languishing in the latest set of polls – recording in one poll its lowest rating since opinion polls began in the 1940s – a third place finish looming in next month’s local and European elections, and rumours of a challenge to Gordon Brown’s leadership rippling through Westminster, what should the Labour Party do next?

We would like you to help us crowdsource this issue by adding your thoughts to The Independent’s interactive visual map of the choices the party faces – either directly to the map or via the comments below – and to start the conversation and debate we have included some initial issues (and mooted leadership challengers) on the map.

As before, the whole structure of the map is like a wiki – every aspect is provisional, and open to further iterative improvement – and everyone can add new issues, positions, pros and cons, and comments to the map.

The aim is to weave together all of the salient arguments into a rich, transparent structure that anyone can explore quickly and gain a relatively deep understanding of the relevant choices.

The map starts as a simple seed and evolves into a mature representation of the community’s understanding as more people begin to layer in their thoughts and suggestions. Moreover, as you begin to rate the different ideas the visualisation changes to signal which ideas are perceived to be strongest and weakest.

To start exploring the map, click on one of the small spheres to move down deeper into the debate, and on the largest sphere to move back up. Use the buttons below the map to access the fuller underlying content and to add comments and new ideas to the map.

You are welcome to just watch the map evolving here – but the map and the community’s understanding will mature more rapidly if register and begin to comment on and rate the different issues and arguments, and to add new issues and arguments of your own.

As with the other maps in the series you can you can keep up to date with developments on this map via the Independent Minds blog and @TheIndyDebate on Twitter. And you are welcome to embed the map on your own website or blog (like a YouTube video) using the code shown below:

<iframe src='http://debategraph.org/flash/fv_indep.aspx?r=18238' frameborder='0' width='450' height='600'></iframe>

If you would like to see similar maps for the other political parties let us know in the comments below.

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WTF
[info]sg_manc wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)
Why would any sane individual respond to this piece of crap in a positive way ? Do we actually want to help our so desperately-out-of-touch, morally bankrupt, fiscally incompetent 'Masters' by indicating the lies they should tell us to prolong their ineptitude ?

Where are the options that say 'Resign en-masse'; 'Call a General Election' ; 'commit collective ritual suicide with Samurai swords' ?

The country has had enough of these clowns/crooks (not sure the order is correct but anyway..). We might JUST have more respect for them, in the long term, if they called a General Election 'on their record' and conceded that subsequent decimation at the Polls was a reflection of their piss poor performance, rather than a temporary failure of the delusion/bullshit machine.

Labour Governments ALWAYS leave the country in a worse position than when they take power. FACT. (copyright Spanish Waiter/Liverpool)
Re: WTF
[info]david_price wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 05:14 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your comment, sg_manc.

This map is different to the earlier maps in the series in that it is exploring the question from a particular institutional perspective (i.e. the Labour Party's perspective). Future maps will consider what the other parties should do next as well as exploring reform of the political system from a non-partisan perspective.

With this overall framework in mind, I have added your suggestion about the potential long-term benefits to the Labour Party from calling an immediate general election to the map, here:

http://debategraph.org/flash/fv_indep.aspx?r=18516

Please don't hesitate to elaborate on this point on the map - or to add any additional points to the map - if you would like to do so.

David
Mature understanding and suggestion
[info]krekelin wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 04:09 pm (UTC)
A good start, now the Scots have their own parliament, would be to seal the border and keep all their Mp's north of it permanently and let them vote on issues that affect Scotland only. This would also save in travelling and second homes expenses. The reason for sealing the border would be that the subsequent financial ruination of Scotland would lead to a mass exodus southwards. There is also a place called Kircaldy that lost its village idiot some years ago that may be bribed to take him back.
What should Labour do next?
[info]ron_broxted wrote:
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 at 08:07 pm (UTC)
Disband.
ideas for success
[info]bowesy wrote:
Friday, 15 May 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
Stick in a few expense claims
Run around like headless chickens
Copy american ideas and brand them new
Start some wars
Never tell the truth
Lie smear and tarnish parliament
Do a few dodgy deals for knighthoods
Do a few dodgy deals for funding
Waste lots of money
Have no control over spending
Remove all positive police action from the streets
De educate young people
Promote talentless tokenist women
Encourage corruption
Align yourselves with corrupt and incompetent city people
Start a few more wars
Sacrifice the UK people for TB's pension fund
Be generally amoral
Sink to oblivion 2010

posted in june 1997
I can't find "CALL A GENERAL ELECTION NOW"
[info]leonard_merryl wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 12:22 am (UTC)
Why is this option missing?

Because it's the one the majority of the British populace want!!!
Re: I can't find "CALL A GENERAL ELECTION NOW"
[info]david_price wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the comment, Leonard.

The "Call a General Election now" option is here:

http://debategraph.org/flash/fv_indep.aspx?r=18516

David
MP Expenses Fraud.
[info]ardotheblogger wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 07:53 am (UTC)
Those MPs who are proven to have made fraudualent expenses claims should be prosecuted under the Fraud Act and be subject to the Proceeds of Crime Act. As such any fraudulent gains or intended to gains should be seized and they should go to jail. The Laws passed by parliament are clear on this and should be implemented regardless of whether these people are MPs or not.
Re: MP Expenses Fraud.
[info]david_price wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, Ardo.

I have added this point to the map here:

http://debategraph.org/flash/fv_indep.aspx?r=18330

David
for xmas
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC)
!
We're closing in!
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 03:55 pm (UTC)
It's not a bad idea as a democracy enabler but
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 04:18 pm (UTC)
Welll, for example I've enrolled but can't find my comments.
Now If I have this difficulty you can bet your best blouse that the average bod will find it too daunting and time0consu,ming to 'get head around'.
Marks for ejfort
What's the tool in use? It reminds of PB and Visual Thesaurus (both much easier to use, admittedly for a less complex purpose, though PB can grow very big
Re: It's not a bad idea as a democracy enabler but
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 04:29 pm (UTC)
Finally managed to find one @ http://debategraph.org/DetailsView.aspx?o=d&n=18852

But it isn't even beginning to become clear how to propagandise
Re: It's not a bad idea as a democracy enabler but
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 04:42 pm (UTC)
hmm! Initial feedback (not much time available to explore) in the same way that I use PB to keep track of Indi pages / comments / topics, I'ld need to open a PB of 'debategraph' links and not many ppl are willing to spend the necessary hundred quid (plus) for the software (which also really needs a dual core processor and at least 2GB of ram to be other than painfully slow, meaning a relatively expensive PC)
Re: It's not a bad idea as a democracy enabler but
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 04:58 pm (UTC)
Look here : (one example of many riddles) "target not in current contextual view"... c'mon, afaik I hadn't set /specified a "target" anyway.
It's evidently powerful and potentially significant, but a lot more work is needed to make the front end easily used by both the dull-witted (like moi) and busy people
Re: It's not a bad idea as a democracy enabler but
[info]david_price wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 01:20 pm (UTC)
Many thanks for the feedback and for the comments added directly to the map - and if you would like me to guide you through any of the points above, please don't hesitate to contact me directly at david AT debategraph DOT org.

We are conscious that there is a learning curve for visual mapping and a learning curve for using the tool, and we are developing continuously and iteratively to simplify the learning curves for both; so that the full power and potential that you highlight of collaborative visual mapping of this kind can be realised.

So feedback of this kind that helps us to understand and prioritise what we need to improve next means a great deal to us and is hugely appreciated.

Thanks again,

David
What should the labour Party next?
[info]paolo09 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 05:57 am (UTC)
Quite simply and without a shadow of doubt, they should all resign en masse. Alternatively, the Queen should absolve Parliment and ask the People to vote
POLITICAL MAPS
[info]benross29 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:54 am (UTC)
lIBDEMS, PLEASE
Re: POLITICAL MAPS
[info]david_price wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 06:59 am (UTC)
Thanks, Ben: we will start a map for the Liberal Democrats soon.

David
political future
[info]benross29 wrote:
Monday, 25 May 2009 at 07:55 am (UTC)
New Labour should disband totally. Start again as Labour Party.

And what of the libdems
sack jacqui smith....
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Tuesday, 26 May 2009 at 12:45 pm (UTC)
see this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/8063768.stm


large unreported elsewhere, I WONDER WHY?
Labour
[info]ivydo wrote:
Thursday, 28 May 2009 at 03:40 pm (UTC)
Remember this?

'We will clean up politics... There is unquestionably a national crisis of confidence in our political system, to which Labour will respond in a measured and sensible way."

Labour Party election manifesto
General election 1997

Some response! We are in a worse mess now!
Interesting way of conducting debate
[info]gw1000 wrote:
Saturday, 30 May 2009 at 08:39 pm (UTC)
David, this looks a fascinating new way to conduct a debate. I'm looking forward to having a go and seeing how the graph develops over time.
Question re adding new position
[info]gw1000 wrote:
Saturday, 30 May 2009 at 08:55 pm (UTC)
David, can I add a new position (blue circle) to the issue "What can labour do in office ahead of the election?" My suggested position would be: "Fundamental review of party's relationship to traditional labour voters".
Re: Question re adding new position
[info]david_price wrote:
Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at 06:39 pm (UTC)
Many thanks for your kind feedback and suggestion, gw1000.

I have added your suggested position here:

http://debategraph.org/flash/fv_indep.aspx?r=19185

...and suggested cross-linking it to the discussion elsewhere on the map about the key messages to the electorate.

David
Re: Question re adding new position
[info]gw1000 wrote:
Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at 08:35 pm (UTC)
Thanks David. Is it possible for a user to add nodes/spheres him/herself (e.g. SupportingArguments, OpposingArguments) or is it always done through the moderator?
Re: Question re adding new position
[info]david_price wrote:
Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at 09:16 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the constructive series of comments you have added to the map this evening, George, which I have layered into the structure of the map in the relevant places (though please don't hesitate to suggest different locations if you feel that they would be more appropriate).

To add new spheres to the map yourself, click on the button with the image of the pencil (in the button row below the graph) and then, after logging-in, click on the Edit button on the Dashboard (top right on the new view of the map that opens).

We plan to enable the ability to add new spheres to the map directly from the visualisation above soon.

David

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