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Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: Those who seek justice do so in vain

Some nations – and some leaders – are beyond the reach of the law

So that's that then, is it? Gaza is done and dusted? Very satisfying, I'm sure, for the Israeli leadership and their devoted allies at the BBC. But not so fast. For the one and a half million traumatised and wounded souls in that small strip, unendurable agony goes on. The very earth they stand on burns and cracks. And I am not here indulging a writer's tendency to hyperbole or neat metaphor.

Up to 60 per cent of the best farmland in Gaza has been systematically destroyed, livestock too. Christine van Nieuwenhuyse, a director at the World Food Programme, says this deliberately blighted land "may not be exploitable again". The lemon trees and noisy chickens must have been hiding Hamas rockets. Israel is also keeping some of the remaining arable land beyond the reach of the Palestinians who own it by making it into a buffer zone. Almost all the infrastructure has been flattened too. The resulting perpetual humiliation and dependency, one assumes, is part of Israel's strategic plan.

President Obama has sent forth George Mitchell, a skilled and respected negotiator, to start dialogues that could eventually lead to a durable settlement. We must hope he can achieve the impossible. But even if he does, that alone cannot ensure the kind of peace that all the people in that region sorely need and surely deserve.

There is too much unfinished business, too much reckoning left over. Peace without equality and credible scrutiny is itself a violation of human rights, an affirmation that some nations are beyond the reach of the law. Mitchell would not have been able to achieve peace in Northern Ireland if Britain had, with impunity, bombed the Catholic areas and slaughtered civilians. Israel is today a ruthless nuclear state, with arsenals of artillery, missiles, chemical and biological weaponry. It respects no international laws and conventions (originally set up to stop Jewish persecution) and does what it pleases.

But why pick only on Israel? Western nations, including Britain, supply some of the killing machines used on children in Gaza. The US and UK have never been hauled through any independent judiciary to explain their lies spun to justify the war on Iraq, or the cluster bombs dropped on civilians, the massacres in Fallujah, the million dead and many more who are born deformed.

We may at long last learn about what happened in the run-up to the war in Blair's cabinet meetings. Many of the ministers who colluded – Hoon, Straw – or acquiesced have gone on to further great success. As have several "ethnic minority" MPs and Peers always happy to oblige. Blair has enriched himself faster than any recent British PM I know of – an indication of how low is his sense of public morality and of those who pay him for his services. All is forgiven and forgotten. He is even our most trusted Man in the Middle East – who must have known about Israel's plans in Gaza and did F all.

Henry Kissinger is in the same happy position. Instead of being tried for actively supporting Pinochet, bombing Cambodia etc etc, he became a sought after statesman, rich and famous enough to stroke the fair arms of Princess Diana. How shocked he was when, a few years ago, Jeremy Paxman interrogated him on Start the Week on his unethical foreign policies. (Paxo's finest hour in my view) and Kissinger walked out of the studio. Such men do not expect to answer such questions. They are above all that. Watch this space and George Bush Jnr will be raking in loot and obsequies. That is what power gets you – immunity and pleasures untold.

We are still basking in Obama's radiance and are heartened that he so soon announced the closure of Guantanamo Bay concentration camp. But again that cannot be the final word on the crimes committed there. The men evoked by the new American president would understand why. Thomas Jefferson's words at his own inauguration speak up clearly from the grave: "Equal and exact justice to all men ...freedom of the person under the protection of the habeas corpus and trail by juries impartially selected – these principles form the bright constellation that has gone before us".

Martin Luther King also warned: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice around the world." The west too often fails these truly noble ideals. What happens to those who established the camp and its methods? To the torturers and prison guards? Binyam Mohammed, a British resident is said to be close to death and may well leave in a coffin. But apparently nobody is responsible.

Only Third World and ex-Communist bastards ever get to face international condemnation and trials. If the Sri Lankan government carries on shelling Tamil civilians, it will be ( rightly) censured and held responsible by the UN and other bodies. Not so-called "leading nations" when they ignore binding conventions. Sure, a few unfortunate soldiers or policemen are forced through weak, domestic investigations to prove that rule of law is respected. They are merely sacrificial goats. People of real of power or influence in the west or Israel, or Russia, now China and India, know they will never be dragged off to The Hague.

Corrupt individuals with the kind of money that makes western politicians salivate are always safe and clean. Accountability will not come knocking at their doors. The freemasons making torture equipment and arms thrive, protected in perpetuity by official secrecy. Individuals in those hidden crypts will never stand in the dock. Peace without fairness and due process is worthless. Even in South Africa, where Mandela virtuously put reconciliation before justice, furious urban blacks still feel that the settlement on that basis was profoundly unjust because whites who cruelly administered Apartheid policies got away with it.

Millions around the world, the young in particular, will not accept that double international standards are as immutable as laws of nature. They are now connected up, sharing rage and frustration. The beneficiaries are Mugabe (a hero for many), Bin Laden, Hamas, suicide terrorist cells, violent nihilists and real anti-Semites. And so there will be no peace. The great anti-slavery judge William Mansfield said in 1768: "Fiat justitia, ruat coelum" – Let justice be done, though the skies may fall. If the powerful don't understand that, they deserve the contempt increasingly heaped on them.

y.alibhai-brown@independent.co.uk

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Gaza
[info]nomuro wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:08 am (UTC)
Surprise! Gaza again. Israel, Jews, Zionists, Jews, Israel, Israel, Zionists, Jews... This paper obsession. The reason? In my humble opinion: Briitain invaded two muslim countries that never declared war, never attacked, never fired a single rocket. Those countries are not close to Britain, in fact they are in another continent. Britain (and other coalition forces) have killed so far half a million people (mostly civilians). Why does this newspaper and the Guardian show pictures of Arab dead or wounded children from Gaza, but never pictures of dead Iraqui or Afghan children - greater in numbers? Smokescreen. By pointing a finger at Israel you hope people wiill forget that Iraq and Afghanistan are under Briitish occupation and innocents are being killed everyday.
Re: Gaza
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:45 am (UTC)
I have yet to see a single Independent columnist point out that the Palestinian 'resistance' groups aren't fighting for 'freedom' they're fighting for the total destruction of Israel. Hamas openly admits this in their charter.
Re: Gaza - [info]shabs1 - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 06:36 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Gaza - [info]rabeea - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Gaza - [info]jfkc - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 06:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Right on
[info]stopbigotry wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:37 am (UTC)
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown has very eloquently written about the unjust and dangerous world we live in. While watching TV shows with my kids about wild animals, I find a striking resemblance between the animals and the "civilized" humans. In both case the weak are at the mercy of the more powerful beings.
Re: Right on
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 02:08 am (UTC)
Most creatures on this planet are smart enough to learn from their mistakes.

The crazy radical extremists who rule the palestinians refuse to stop attacking a strong country and refuse to declare a permanent peace with that country don't seem to be smart or sane enough to do that.
Re: Right on - [info]holton1080 - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 06:19 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Right on - [info]thebede - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Right on - [info]mildmildwest - Monday, 9 February 2009 at 09:51 am (UTC) Expand
Maybe Palestinian extremists will become sane enough to stop attacking Israel someday
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:40 am (UTC)
If Gaza doesn't want to be smacked around by Israel, Gaza needs to stop attacking Israel.

Not that complicated. Except for people who want to keep making excuses for the insane, irrational, self-defeating behavior of the Palestinian religious and political leaders.

And if the Palestinian powers that be want Israel to leave them alone forever, all the Palestinians have to do is end this by declaring a permanent peace with the Jewish State of Israel.

That's what anyone sane would have done by now.

But the problem is, Israel is Jewish. And the leaders of the Palestinians are crazed islamic radicals who think they are serving god by attacking the jews forever to undo the very existence of the jewish state.

So, the palestinian powers that be want to just keep attacking, now and forever, never letting this permanently end, and never giving Israel a reason to trust that they have complete security.

Hamas and the islamic terrorist groups are PRIMARILY to blame for what just happened to Gaza, not Israel.
Re: Maybe Palestinian extremists will become sane enough to stop attacking Israel someday
[info]holton1080 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 07:27 am (UTC)
As far as one can see, there is only one state that is built on terror and sustains its existence by terrorizing its neighbors. Israel knows how to shed artificial tears to cover their atrocities in Gaza. But the world have seen enough of Israeli argument of blaming the victim
You write an article about Gaza, yet fail to condemn Gaza's lunatic terrorist organizations
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:43 am (UTC)
You write an article about Gaza, yet fail to condemn Gaza's lunatic terrorist organizations who are the elected leaders of the Palestinains, use gaza as a launching pad to attack Israel, and force Israel to respond with military force.

That's pretty silly.

How many articles did you write in the last three years demanding that gaza stop firing rockets into israel. None, I bet? But Israel finally responds, so you're mad?

And if you want the palestinains to have total freedom in the west bank and gaza, urge them to declare permanent peace with israel. And then step by step Israel would keep handing power away, as long as the people who received it proved trustworthy.
Justice according to the West & Israel
[info]chesscheckers wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:46 am (UTC)
Justice according to the West & Israel means crushing the defenseless innocent civilians.

The Israeli atrocities in Gaza is worse than the Nazi WWII crimes because the remorseless Israeli atrocities were committed in front of live camera whereas the German crimes came to light after WWII. Also, the West by supplying Israel the latest state of the art weapons and its unconditional support of Israel is as guilty as Israel.

Therefore, the Western and Israeli leaders MUST be tried for war crimes against innocent civilians.
Re: Justice according to the West & Israel
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 02:06 am (UTC)
chesscheckers is a nutjob. Anyone who says what he said above is clearly out of his mind.
Half the planet is in much worse shape than Gaza or the West Bank
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:46 am (UTC)
Is it racist to keep ignoring the plight of starving people in Africa, Asia and South America, and instead just keep sticking up for the crazy people who refuse to stop trying to destroy Israel?
Re: Half the planet is in much worse shape than Gaza or the West Bank
[info]johnsmith9833 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 February 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC)
amen! most of these radical fanatics are a bunch of MORONS anyway
Millions in Sudan would trade places with the Palestinians in one second
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:47 am (UTC)
Becuase those people would immediately declare peace with Israel, Israel would recognize they mean it and give them whatever freedoms they want, and both sides would do well.
exec_ceo
[info]nomuro wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 02:08 am (UTC)
Arabs in Gaza: They get money from the UN, EU, US, rich Arabs and even Israel. Divide per 1,4 million (they claim...) and you will end up with a per capita income higher than Britain's. Have you noticed their buildings, houses, cars? You can't compare to any third world country city. You can't compare to the closest Arab capital, Cairo.
Re: exec_ceo
[info]adamha wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 06:57 pm (UTC)
It is simple, give back to the Palestinians their occupied land and they will stop being refugees, thus they will not be untitled for aid. It is the UN, the UK and the US that deprived the Palestinians of their land and have helped Israel maintain them homeless. In contrast, compare how much Israel receives from the US and the EU (especially Germany) in military assistance with what the Palestinian refugees receive in humanitarian aid to stay alive. Since 1949, the US has given Israel more than 133 billion dollars. In fact, on a yearly basis, the US has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen than to the average US citizen.

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm#Taxpayer

Who is exec_ceo?
[info]jlee3793 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 05:07 am (UTC)
I read these articles with a fair regularity and it is always the same apologist. Everything is a justification for atrocities. Never a recognition of the atrocities. Always an excuse, a complaint, a justification. Always blaming the other for what you do. Why not instead ask yourself the simple question of whether there were atrocities. Not who did it or why or the history or the explanation or the rationalization. Ask if what was done was an atrocious. Ask if that is the way you want civilized, moral, enlightened people to behave. And ask yourself if it is any different from barbarism.
Re: Who is exec_ceo?
[info]exec_ceo wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 07:20 am (UTC)
Israel has the right to defend itself.

Gaza fired 3 years worth of rockets into Israel, so Israel attacked Gaza.

The West Bank isn't firing rockets into Israel, so Israel didn't attack the west bank.
Re: Who is exec_ceo? - [info]wayneji - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:42 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Who is exec_ceo? - [info]rabeea - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:56 am (UTC) Expand
Two sides
[info]spaadge wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
"Mitchell would not have been able to achieve peace in Northern Ireland if Britain had, with impunity, bombed the Catholic areas and slaughtered civilians". Indeed not. Unfortunately, while we were waiting for the magic of diplomacy to work, the IRA were bombing shopping centres, and slaughtering civilians. Is that how this is supposed to work - one side does what it likes and the other must be accountable? I'm no great supporter of Israel, but I'd imagine that they are just about as angry about their children being blown up on the way to school as the author is about what has happened to the occupants of Gaza. Perhaps there will be no solution, and more stupid, pointless deaths, as long as people maintain this level of bitter resentment. Oh, and please don't look for a post-Iraq witch hunt by the new President - he has inherited a nation divided, and he knows he must let things pass for it to become one again. There's a lesson there, I think...
Re: Two sides - Mitchell - Is there really peace yet?
[info]frostfire13 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 07:38 pm (UTC)
Belfast Telegraph - Saturday, 31 January 2009

* Huge car bomb left near school and houses branded reckless, callous and contemptible

A 300lb car bomb has been discovered close to a primary school, police said tonight.
The viable home made device was placed in the back of a black Volkswagen Bora in the Co Down village of Castlewellan, in Northern Ireland.

Israel can get away with anything
[info]giuseppesapone wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 07:42 am (UTC)
Including the assassination of Preesident John F Kennedy. He told Ben-Gurion in no uncertail terms that there was no way he would allow Israel to develop nuclear weapons. Ben-Gurion viewed Kennedy's stance as an existential threat to israel and so Kennedy had to go. Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy's successor was bought and paid for by Myer Lansky's Jewish mafia and the ADL.
Incidentally, Lansky "retired" to Israel which has always been a haven for Jewish criminals including war criminals, as we know.
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Assassinations.page/Final Judgement.html
Re: Israel can get away with anything -- according to a conspiracist idiot
[info]johnsmith9833 wrote:
Tuesday, 3 February 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
you are probably of the same kind as these bunch of MORONS
Israel, Gaza, West Bank
[info]davidharries wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 08:20 am (UTC)
Yasmin is right.
I'll start by genuinley condemning the Hamas rocket-fire (otherwise I'll be condemned myself).
The West Bank is quiet. So is Jerusalem.
However the Israeli wall still divides comminities and cuts off Bethlehem (surrounds it).
Israeli settlements are proceeding apace. These are illegal.
Palestinians are not allowed to build or extend houses and Palestinian houses are still being demolished.
The Gaza conflict is a useful cover for more unpleasant activity by the Israeli authorities elsewhere.
Moreover, the IDF has a very long history of killing (callously targetting?) civilians.
Furthermore, the collective punishment of the civilian population of Gaza is illegal.
If you poke a bear with a stick?
[info]living_fossil wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
It may be a mistake to poke a bear with a stick. If you continue to do after it has torn of one arm then some people may just shrug and give up. Indifference isn't always a lack of compassion, sometimes it is despair.
Palestine
[info]mia297 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 08:57 am (UTC)
This will never stop unless Israel gets out of palestinian land, stops building settlements and has some respect for the people it through out.
Re: Palestine
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:09 am (UTC)
Where is Palestine? The West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza a part of Egypt. There are no Israelis in Gaza and 98% of the settlements (that I oppose) will be evacuated when the two-state solution comes about. The extra 2% relates to Jerusalem that was occupied by Jews long before Muslims even existed and the mosque with the golden dome was built on the ruins of the second temple destroyed in 70AD by the Romans. Most of Jerusalem including Jesus and his disciples were Jewish, not arab or Muslim.

When Hamas talk of ending occupation, they refer to Jews in Israel. Israel is almost exactly the same size as Wales and would fit into "little" Florida eight times over, into the UK eleven times over. The 22 Arab countries in the Middle East and Africa have a land area 640 times larger than Israel. Some 15% of Israel is arable land, the rest mountains and desert. 20% of the population is Muslim and Druze, all living in freedom without oppression. Some live in million-dollar-plus homes. None of us could survive without Israeli technology (you would not be able to read this), and your medicine cabinets have at least one Israeli product. Per capita, Israel produces more Nobel prize winners.

So let us be clear. Muslems (and Hamas) stated objectives are not to destroy Israel, but all Jews.
Re: Palestine - [info]mia297 - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 12:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Yasmin's well argued article
[info]art1san wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 09:17 am (UTC)
nomuro: You haven't read the whole article. re chapter five
exec-ceo: Find a job - get a life!
Gaza
[info]servaeus wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:02 am (UTC)
The usual worthless outpouring by ex-ceo.

The bottom line is that Israel ethnically cleansed several hundred thousand Arabs in 1948 and since 1967 has been progressively stealing the West Bank (and tried to do the same with Gaza). The settlements are illegal under international law. The vicious assaults on the Palestinians as a whole are brutal and immoral not just killing but destroying lives and aspirations. I have long supported the continued existence of Israel - but it MUST be within the pre-1967 armistice line and MUST recognize and compensate the Palestinians for the loss of homes, property, livelihood and for decades of savage attacks. The most recent attacks on Gaza and before than on Lebanon have begun to undermine my support for the kind of Israel I see. Thank goodness there are increasing numbers of people - Israelis, Jews and others - who are now speaking out. As one recent writer put it - the current leaders in Israel are on the wrong side of history.
Re: Gaza
[info]ganef wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:17 am (UTC)
In 1948, the Arab states ethnically cleansed 900,000 Jews, expelling them within days and grabbing all their possessions and homes. No compensation has ever been paid.
Re: Gaza - [info]servaeus - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:55 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Gaza - [info]ganef - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:57 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Gaza - [info]servaeus - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 12:22 pm (UTC) Expand
Who is exec_ceo? Hasbara troll alert
[info]sketchley wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:05 am (UTC)
Who is exec_ceo? A Hasbara troll. Its the person that has been assigned by the Israeli MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) to the troublesome Independent comments sections to try to defend the indefensible. Can you imagine how Hitler's fascist regime would be working in today's media? Yes. Putting in 'regular guys' to comment. Nobody has the time to post as much as this troll does without it being a full-time job. Whether its paid or unpaid is beside the point.

This is the typical reaction of a gangster state. To see what makes a gangster state - see my journal entry here:
http://sketchley.livejournal.com/571.html

or here:
http://dailysketcher.blogspot.com/2009/01/israels-gangster-state.html

israel is the perpetuator
[info]gbriele wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:25 am (UTC)
israel is and will always be the perpetuator, the occupier, the coloniser, people oftern forget how many time Israel carried cold bloded murder from the confort of their F16, people forget who is accuping who, people forget how is oppressing who...., the list can never end and peace can never be reached except when the so called free and just world brilliant at lecturing the rest of the world about iquality,, justice and freedom comes to terms with the situation and be honest enough to expose the reality of the suffering of the palestinian people, kept in the dark by morraly corrupt politicien.

well done Yasmin, brilliant artical and the essence of the point is Justice before Peace.
StonetheCrows
[info]peds31 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:30 am (UTC)
I am sure most of these leaders would appreciate the Islamic justice Idi Amin got in exile in Saudi Arabia.
Power Politicians
[info]stambecco wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 10:54 am (UTC)
The U.S. and Great Britain are not the moral leaders of the world any more. The responsible power politicians of the west sow the seed of the anarchy and this one will come up. This politicians, they are blind in her striving for power.
alibi-brown has somewhat selective vision
[info]slowit wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
this typical indie commentator doesn't even recognise the existence of the racist terrorist "organisation"
called hamas.
To her there is only one side to any conflict, usually Israel,but she can also rail against the UK, US or Western Europe.
To her Jews are never killed in deliberate racist terrorist attacks, for the crime of being Jews. To her insane radical muslims did not crash planes into the twin towers killing nearly three thousand innocent civilians. According to her and her likes double standards the 9/11 terror attacks are justified. And that is why she, and her like, are the real criminals.
The irony is that were she to be foolish enough to come into contact with cancerous groups such as Hamas, she would really understand the meaning of "Palestinian resistance" and the (Hamas understanding of ) rights of women.
There is a good, moral side to this conflict which treasures human life and only takes up arms as a last resort and which does not deliberately target civilians, and that is Israel.
The cancerous growth in humanity of these vile racist, terrorist organisations such as Hamas, are the truly evil side . Simple as that.
Re: alibi-brown has somewhat selective vision
[info]rabeea wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 12:02 pm (UTC)
Were you born with such intense hatred...Well done....you could not BE more wrong in summarising her article...
Re: alibi-brown has somewhat selective vision - [info]slowit - Monday, 2 February 2009 at 01:52 pm (UTC) Expand
Splendid article
[info]larkspur_14 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:16 am (UTC)
Thank you, Yasmin. Yes, power protects itself. Israel will never face justice for its appalling crimes against humanity just because it is powerful. The same goes for the US and UK and all the west. What we have is both a huge justice deficit and a democracy deficit - and in their place we have propaganda, mind-numbing consumerism to buy off principled questioning of the terms of our comfort and strutting national narratives to punt the blame onto other, weaker shoulders. One can laugh or cry in appalled despair, but one certainly can't take pride in our "civilisation", with its callous disregard for anyone defined as "other" and its cruel denial of those in need.
GAZA
[info]clarence52 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:18 am (UTC)
Nice to see supporters of Israel out in their numbers again. What they don't realize is that the world is changing fast. For the US, Israel is fast becoming redundant as an ally in the Middle East. In fact it it is becoming a huge burden, alienating hundreds of millions of Muslims, and acting as the real rogue state it is. Once Iran comes on board it is game over for Israel in the sense of being able to bully, destroy and massacre with impunity. For the first time hundreds of millions of people, from Brazil to Indonesia, watched Al Jazeera's unfiltered images of the Israeli drunken rampage through miserable Gaza. A whole new generation of young people have learned the truth about the 60 year ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people through the Internet. One last point. The initial massive Israeli bombardment occurred at 11.30 am on a Saturday morning, just when the children of Gaza are on the streets, either just coming out of school or just entering. For ethnic cleansers, children are always the real target.
Why the silence
[info]cynosarge wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:26 am (UTC)
On Darfur, Ms Alibhai-Brown?

Could it be because, however much you distort, mislead, excuse, exonerate, twist, apologise ... for one group of Muslim murderers, there remains another group of Muslim murderers in that conflict that you cannot exculpate.

It's not so easy for you to find a "guilty" side when both sides are Muslim, is it?

I don't need to look internationally for double standards. I can find it on the pages written by The Independent commentators.
Re: Why the silence
[info]philipshahak wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 12:53 pm (UTC)
In see Israel are arming the rebels in Sudan.
Middle East peace
[info]abdul1 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 11:45 am (UTC)
is there a lack of understanding? Since 630 AD muslims have been exorted to attack jews and christians. The facts are that islamist terrorists urge muslims to unite in attacking all kaffirs. That combines with takeyya, the koranic approved culture of deception, which is lies that are allowed to suit. So hudna is a form of lie used by muslims to deceive the enemy into a ceasefire while muslims rearm.

Wider still is 'Apostacy; making all muslims commit to murder any muslim who changes, or stops being muslim. The combination is deadly for muslim societies that are corrupted by 'takeyya' and riven by murders, based on alleged apostacy, on tribal lines to gain power and money. These are merged in sharia that is a local based law under interpretation by the unregulated appointees (cronies) of an immam, which relies on subjective case assessment and not common law precedent, with the buying off victims and other corrupt financial practices.

The result sadly is most muslim countries are 'Failed States', save for the mineral rich areas like Saudi Arabia. There muslim rules have to be enforced by Religious Police that number more than the British Army.

The only way forward is to remove violence from islam. And allow freedom of religion. The Bible is banned in muslim countires. One reason is that muslim teaching about what the Bible says differs to what the Bible does say. Muslim authorities are afraid that average muslims would accect the Bible message of love and forgiveness and reject the violence of islam.

One way to a peaceful Middle East is for freedom of religion and rejection of violence to be agreed by all.

Re: Middle East peace
[info]mia297 wrote:
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 12:22 pm (UTC)
nonsense.
There are jews and christians living in arab and majority muslim countries for centuries.
During the inquisition the jews fled to northern europe and lived there in peace.
Christians in Gaza are being bombed by israel not by muslims.
Jewish rabbis in the US remember living in peace with the muslims in jerusalem..until the zionists came and started hell on earth in all surrounding countries.
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