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The idea held in some circles that the BBC should be able to float serenely above any criticism of its news reporting has always been silly. Like any media organisation the BBC occasionally makes mistakes. And it is only right that it investigates complaints properly and apologises when it has erred. Indeed, the fact that the BBC is financed by the licence fee makes it all the more important that the Corporation is seen as accountable.

Yet the decision of the BBC Trust's editorial standards committee to censure the BBC's Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen, for breaching the Corporation's guidelines on accuracy and impartiality demonstrates a terrible absence of good judgement. Mr Bowen's work has always been scrupulously unbiased. The BBC Trust needs to learn that accountability does not mean swallowing every complaint uncritically. When a good journalist needs to be robustly defended, it must not be afraid to do so.

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[info]britfree wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 11:48 pm (UTC)
hey ,dont hold back, no mention of malign foreign influences , brought to bear . no mention of the open political affiliation of the wife of director general mark thompson . the complainant that you refer to , was in his marital bed , i just received the bullying letters threatening me with jail time if they failed to extort their t v tax successfully. you cant unsubscribe , dontcha know ?
Bad Judgment
[info]jtw1939 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC)
TUT TUT ! We were appointed by God and the Queen.
Bias is entirely subjective.
[info]milchcow wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 01:14 am (UTC)
To some extent I agree with britfree's reference to 'malign foreign influence' but I would add that government influence can also be malign.

Jeremy Bowen's arguments, whether written or broadcast, are advanced in his own style; a style incidentally, that got him the job in the first place. But when you add this example to the BBC's refusal to broadcast the Gaza appeal, questions do need to be asked.

Both Government and Bloomsbury Square use their influence to censor both bloggers and the writers in comment columns, particularly the broadsheets (this is less evident in Live Journal); but whether this is direct pressure from the organisations or the infiltration of the moderating system, I don't know.

It is probably both and if ever there was a need for a whistle blower ... this subject deserves one.

By passing into law matters that stifle free speech we have made a noose for ourselves that can only tighten as time goes on.. How, for example, could the criticism of the activities of a particular race or political party when it comes to our national interest, be any more offensive than the salacious, in depth examination of some people's private lives? And yet to legislate against the latter would surely open a whole new can of worms.

Best left for comment to be unrestricted, I think, and to allow the good sense of the general public to determine if an argument has merit.





[info]jadoonadil wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 01:53 am (UTC)
What utter non-sense. Western media has always been rabidly pro-Israel and nothing will change that. You can make people shut up but you can't conceal the truth. Israel is an occupying force and uses terror to achieve its goals. Just because its supporters control the world markets does not give it the right to butcher innocent civillians. If anything BBC and the remaining world media has always been biased in favour of Israel. I see everyday what non-sense they show their viewers in the US. There are no two sides to child murder.
two sides
[info]fiskisadisgrace wrote:
Friday, 17 April 2009 at 05:10 pm (UTC)
How many children have the Palestinians murdered? Are there no two sides to that too?
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A victory for the Mad Hatters
[info]think_alouder wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 03:22 am (UTC)
But what did Jeremy Bowen say that was inaccurate or otherwise wrong ? Robert Fisk can't see it, and neither can I. Shame on those who see truthful free speech on the BBC as a threat to the malign causes for which they work, and double shame on them for their attack on our free hearing. The BBC Trust, however, simply shames itself.
BBC Post-Dr. Kelly
[info]loftwork wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 04:03 am (UTC)
BBC coverage of recent mid-east events was cringingly pro-Israeli, even by its own timid standards. Basically, the BBC was wrecked by its collision with Blair's spin machine in the days before Dr. Kelly was hounded to death for telling the truth about the Dodgy Dossier. Despite being proved right all along, Auntie has never really been the same since. Even BBC World Service, which used to be relatively objective, has lost its edge. Another sacrifice on the altar of nulabour dogma.
Jeremy Bowen?
[info]journeyman01 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 04:21 am (UTC)
Only one of the greatest TV journalists that I can remember. What is it with the BBC these days? They used to have some b*ll*cks but, since Kelly and the subsequent whitewash, not any longer. I have admired Bowen for years - as I have people like John Humphrys, Robert Fisk and John Simpson - purely and simply because what they report comes across as intelligent, well-sourced and, in this day and age of pandering to the lowest common denominator, interesting. These guys write and talk to people as though we have brains and can understand words of more than two syllables. I agree with think_alouder - shame on the BBC Trust. THEY'RE the ones who should be being criticised.
one side or the other
[info]snowdonwatcher wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 05:33 am (UTC)
I imagine it is very difficult to report a conflict without appearing biased.

The only problem is that any Israel supporter will think that Mr Bowen is against them because he reports on the hundreds of people killed by the so called israeli "defence" force.

Of course any Palestinian supporter will think Mr Bowen is biased against them, because he reports on the dozen or so people killed on the other side.

The only safe way is not to report at all, but that would mean that we would only hear an official report as to what is going on from western Governments, & as they all appear to support one side we would never see behind the wall.

Thank goodness for quality journalists who do not always bow down before political pressure.
The legacy of the 1967 War
[info]lewis_northants wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 05:45 am (UTC)
The 1967 Israeli Arab War will always be one of controversy , However , after 42 years, Israel with a population of 7.5 million including 20% Arab, has a GDP of $28,000, the West Bank and Gaza with 4 million( not including the GDP of the 350, 000 Jewish settlers) $2,800 . Of the combined population taking in consideration the 1,5 million Arabs in Israel and 350,000 Jewish settlers on the west bank , the mix is approximately 6.4 m Jews to 5.5 m Arabs. (GDP and population figures have been extrapolated from the CIA case books) .As long this economic injustice exists the Middle East will be a tender box ready to explode. Hamas will not accept the existence of the state of Israel, and the new government of Israel a two state solution. There is no hope for the future, the Arab people will continue to live in fear and poverty, while the Jewish population while rich in comparison will continue to live in fear of attack from internal and external forces. This is the legacy of the 1967 War. Mr Bowen is an honorable man with an job that no one would envy.

YOUR BAD JUDGEMENT - Excuse Makers...
[info]thepasqualeen wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
For more than 10 years now ... BBC has stood for BLATANTLY BIASED CRAP!
Re: YOUR BAD JUDGEMENT - Excuse Makers...
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
A small piece of evidence to that effect is that conyblatcher, known in this space not to threaten or swear at anyone (though guilty of mlusy ntyping) , is banned from BBC space.
Views of history
[info]llienomot wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 06:34 am (UTC)
I see that the BBC is quoted as saying that "Clearly there is no consensus view of history and it is self evident that there are others who have different analysis - which of course they are entitled to"

Does this mean that they will be giving air time to revisionist views of the holocaust?
Re: Views of history
[info]jaggier wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 08:49 pm (UTC)
My thoughts exactly! I doubt the BBC was so keen on unbiased reporting during the Second World War, the Falklands war, etc etc. It is quite possible to view a situation objectively and to reach a conclusion that involves "taking sides". Historically, the BBC's coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been biased towards the Israelis, but I don't remember any resulting censure by the BBC Trust.
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Bad Judgement
[info]lacommentateur wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
In my humble opinion the Zionist State was created by the sword, continues to live by the sword and shows no intention to mollify its mode of existence to accommodate anyone else even when fermenting and aggravating instability and cruelty in the Middle East. The BBC Trust by its now trademark spineless stance to any cause where it needs to shed light into the dark corners where the truth has been banished by governments,political and religious organisations around the world to the detriment of the legitimate claims of the oppressed, it is slowly but surely wrecking its very purpose for existing. What is the point of this Organisation if it only supports its sponsors and their friends and walks by on the other side when it could help make the difference as in the case of the Palestinians. Does the BBC Trust have a death wish of its own? If so it's going the right way to achieving it.
Bias
[info]falanf wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 07:43 am (UTC)
How can a pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel newspaper like the Independent (aka "The World According to Fisk) expect to be taken seriously when commenting about the bias or non-bias of other media sources?
Re: Bias
[info]giuseppesapone wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 12:18 pm (UTC)
You don't read its leading articles on Israel. It is just as pro-Israel as the rest of the british newspapers.
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Leading article:Bad judgement
[info]premnizar wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
What criteria do the readers maintain when they get a good piece of information for public reading? All most all the readers and writers are far away from the spots, and they reach a conclusion when they are convinced with authentic information and evidence. A fabricated news item lacks documentary evidence to substantiate its claim. Such news will reveal only the hidden agenda of the reporter. Even if the reporter is a liberal, that will make him/her inadvertently slip into prejudices. So the readers would like to read powerful authentic points. A good journalist cannot infuse his reporting with emotions. He always stands by the facts before his eyes. The vested interest could somehow inject the venom into any illiterate minds and divert the attention to certain angles. So a news editor like Jeremy Bowens should not be muzzled. We are critical of ideologies. We can debate anything with equanimity. If people stand their own platforms and discuss, we won't be able to reach a solution for any burning issues.

Best regards
Prem Nizar Hameed
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J Bowen
[info]gb12msa wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 08:12 am (UTC)
Now, at last, the BBC has admitted a bias in its reporting of events in the Middle East. Can we now hope that it will change its refusal to allow the Balen report on bias in the its reporting of such events? Refusing to publish this report, which it commissioned and paid for with money received from those who pay the TV licence fee, only reinforces the view that the report was critical. Had it been favourable, would the BBC have refused to publish it? The BBC needs more openness and integrity when conducting its affairs.
I would remind those who read this that a leaked account of an 'impartiality summit' called, some two and a half years ago by BBC chairman Michael Grade, revealed that its reporting is biased. For example, it said that executives would let the Bible be thrown into a dustbin on a TV comedy show but not the Koran, and that they would broadcast an interview with Osama Bin Laden if given the opportunity. Further, it discloses that the BBC's 'diversity tsar', wants Muslim women newsreaders to be allowed to wear veils when on air.
Why does someone at the BBC just state the obvious
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
All that was required is that Mr Bowen's manager should have taken him to one side and told him that the BBC do not do impartiality and that they only suck circumcised dick's there... Why give us all this bullshit about impartiality?
[info]nullius123 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:34 am (UTC)
Speaking as one of the few remaining members of a family that was decimated by the holocaust, I have to say I think Jeremy Bowen is brilliant. He is in an almost impossible position, and I expect there are far fewer Palestinian analysts examining his every word than there are Israeli ones.
Irrelevant
[info]fiskisadisgrace wrote:
Friday, 17 April 2009 at 05:25 pm (UTC)

Your family background doesn't give you a moral high-ground to support the BBC's biased approach against Israel. The BBC commissioned that report because of lines like this, describing the 67 war-

"The Israeli generals... had been training to finish the unfinished business of Israel?s independence war of 1948 for most of their careers"

What "unfinished business "? describing Israel's forced fight for survival as some vendetta or sinister plot to "finish businesses" just shows how rotten from the core is the man's stand on the issue.

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BBC's censure of Jeremy Bowen
[info]lilymay_3 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
I feel that this censure is totally undeserved. Unfortunately, having been very pro-Israel in my youth, I have with sadness come to understand that the country has not lived up to its ideals and frequently deals with the Palestinians in an inhumane manner. I understand that there are provocations from both sides; but the taking of Palestinian land, the withholding of water and aid. and the general obstructions placed by Israel on Palestinian lives needs to be documented and published. To do so is not bias, it is good reporting.
Re: BBC's censure of Jeremy Bowen
[info]mattscholey wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 08:21 pm (UTC)
Good for you for changing sides upon a reasoned evaluation of the behaviour of Israel. Your post is good, but for one objection.

"I understand that there are provocations from both sides"

The Palestinians are entirely the victim of this situation. So-called 'terrorist' attacks are their right to resist 60 years of dire oppression. No people can be expected to sit back and take 78% of their country being turned into a different nation by an invading army, most of the indigenous population being expelled from their homes and turned into refugees; then 20 years later, the remaining 22% of their country being occupied, with checkpoints imprisoning the few Palestinians lucky enough to not have had their homes bulldozed.

After all the Palestinians have been through, can we really claim their response has been "provocation"?
Jeremy Bowen......
[info]goosegreece wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:56 am (UTC)
....would probably appreciate that Orwell had it right ie. `in a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act`. Don`t let the bastards grind you down Jeremy.
Credibility Crunch
[info]chunderball wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 11:07 am (UTC)
Perhaps The Trust would like to remove all pork products from it's programming for some executive impartiality. Has anyone ever seen a salt beef sandwhich passing through the lips of Dawn French?
the BBC trust
[info]traveller108 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 12:03 pm (UTC)
Anything other than unequivocal support for Israel is seen as bias by the Zionist lobby, even in the face of the country's acts of terror and undoubted war crimes. It is shocking that in the light of this the BBC management reveal themselves as moral cowards too lily-livered to stand up to critics who believe they are and should be above international law.
Re: the BBC trust
[info]smoothop8388 wrote:
Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 08:23 am (UTC)
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
Bowen is not unbiased
[info]giuseppesapone wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
Bowen has been running scared of the Zionists in the BBC for years. His downplaying of Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinians for the sake of keeping his job ha been a disgrace.
Bad Judgement
[info]brianall wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 01:41 pm (UTC)
Do I take itn that the next time a BBC reporter does a piece on Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe will be allowed equal time to put forward hi8s sensible view that the famine is caused by foreign powers?
Re: Bad Judgement
[info]arionb wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 02:16 pm (UTC)
Really? Is this a propriate comparasion? Unless you're referring to Israel's actions in Gaza and Mugabe in the same category.
BBC Censure Jeremy Bowen
[info]jaff69 wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 03:45 pm (UTC)
Your leadingarticle is wrong. The BBC has for once shown some courage. Anyone who has listened regularly to Jeremy Bowen's reports knows that he has an axe to grind. He lost a colleague in an incident some years ago and ever sine that he has always reported events from Israel in a prejudicial manner although quite cleverly. I really wonder how much Jeremy Bowen actually knows about Israel. Do you have a decent reporter there?
Bad Judgement
[info]caffelate wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 03:50 pm (UTC)
I very mich hope that Mr Jeremy Bowen - an excellent journalist, who follows strict ethical journalism by telling the truth - should quit the prospsterous BBC and join a Zionist free media organisation...
Angry Swede...
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