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Leading article: Next year in Bonn

Disappointing the outcome of the Copenhagen summit may have been. And chaotic – the word used by Ed Miliband, Secretary of State for Climate Change. But it was disappointing, in part, because expectations were so high, and one reason for the chaos was that so many countries, with such differing requirements and concerns, attended, not to speak of the specialists and NGOs demanding their say from the wings.

All is not – yet – lost. For all the recriminations emanating from different quarters yesterday, it should be recognised that there are times when lack of an agreement is a more honest result than an elegant, but empty, profession of unity whose sole purpose is to conceal differences. At least all present understood the importance of what they were trying to do. Everyone has agreed to reconvene in Germany in six weeks' time, bringing with them specific bids and targets. All effort should now be directed to ensuring that in Bonn, real, quantifiable, progress can be achieved.

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Why the haste
[info]jeanshaw wrote:
Monday, 21 December 2009 at 06:57 am (UTC)
We know why ---- to prevent the lies and deceptions perpetrated by the warmists being thoroughly reviewed and analysised.

Now that we are getting a better understanding of how the warmists have built their case on foundations of sand they dont want the realists amongst us to have too much opportunity to show them up for the frauds they are. There is too much money rolling into the warmist campaign for them to surrender their position and allow objective study of their fraudulent claims and science
Re: Why the haste
[info]anja247 wrote:
Monday, 21 December 2009 at 08:11 am (UTC)
Haste... dear heavens, it's only been 12 years since Kyoto! If this is haste I shudder to think what a leisurely response would be like.

As for calling the scientists "warmists" and calling the science fraudulent - you really don't have any idea how a peer reviewed system works, do you.
Re: Why the haste
[info]jeanshaw wrote:
Monday, 21 December 2009 at 03:22 pm (UTC)
A peer review works if you ensure that it is possible to carry it out impartially and without fear or favour of who is able to study and comment on it.

One of the interesting things which came from the release of East Anglia's e-mails was that they did not release the evidence on which the theories were based , they warned journals not to accept critical comments , tried to stop critical articles being printed and actually forced media outlets to remove critical article/comments .

The University is now under Police investigation because of their attempts to deny Fredom of Information requests

In other words peer review has not occurred.
Re: Why the haste
[info]anja247 wrote:
Monday, 21 December 2009 at 04:42 pm (UTC)
Police are investigating the *break-in*... as in the theft of those emails.
Do stop obfuscating, please.
Re: Why the haste
[info]jeanshaw wrote:
Tuesday, 22 December 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
They are also checking whether a criminal act has been perpetrated by the University by denying access to data/ destroying data when an FOI request has been made. This is illegal under the Freedom of Information act .
Re: Why the haste
[info]anja247 wrote:
Tuesday, 22 December 2009 at 10:14 am (UTC)
Really, this is not correct. Where *do* you get your information?

Sir Muir Russell is heading an independent review into a number of allegations, including th FOI issue.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements

The police are investigating the email theft.
Good grief
[info]dixiedean99 wrote:
Monday, 21 December 2009 at 07:03 am (UTC)
Really I don't think so. What Copenhagen demonstrated without a shadow of a doubt is that there is not the political will to deal with man-made global warming - the sceptics won the political argument and we will all have to live with the consequences. As somebody who is prepared the accept the scientific prediction that there is a 50% chance of catastrophe warming within the next 50 years I just have to accept the outcome. I hope the sceptics have the grace to do the same (and accept the responsibility too).

Either thay are correct and we carry on in our own sweet way, or they're wrong and we fry.

Peace & love
Re: Good grief
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Monday, 21 December 2009 at 12:32 pm (UTC)
Good post.

The sceptics have a very myopic insight into what's happening.

Anyone studying the problem of ocean acidification will realise what rising CO2 emissions will do to a vital source of humankind's food stuffs: fish.

The loss of omega 3 has huge implications, as yet off the radar.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/20/science.fishing

Over fishing/bottom trawling merely adds to the nightmare scenario, and confirms that total lack of any
insight into resource depletion, which is the logical outcome of the current addiction to growth as, er, THE 'solution' to all problems.

Not.

The global temperature does not need to rise by a further 0.2C for this scenario to kick-in.

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