Letters: Why I won't wear a poppy
Parading of poppies has turned into a sick joke
I lost two uncles to German bullets. But if they died for anything at all, it was to live in a society where you were not browbeaten into wearing a badge or flower or insignia at certain times of the year ("Why should I be pressured into wearing a poppy?", 4 November). Such societies are for the likes of Hitler. He for sure would have had us all wearing a swastika when we popped out to the supermarket.
I have always bought – and worn – my poppy with pride. But this is the last year. No longer. Blame it on the professional politician.
This year I spotted my first poppy as early as 18 October, worn, needless to say, by an MP on television. Not that many years ago, you only wore your poppy the start of the week before Remembrance Sunday: and now it has become a sick joke, with the politically correct BBC leading the way, with its blanket poppyitis.
I will still contribute to the collection box, because the cause is a right and just one. But I will not take a poppy. I suggest your readers do likewise. And that anyone donning one be told that they do not appear on TV with one before the Monday prior to Remembrance Sunday.
Dai Woosnam
Grimsby, Lincolnshire
Afghanistan, the new Vietnam
I served as a US Special Forces officer in Vietnam in 1969 and 1970. Our job was recruiting, training and advising Civilian Irregular Defense Group soldiers. It was painfully apparent at the time that it was impossible to recruit large numbers of indigenous personnel without also recruiting large numbers of enemy "sleeper agents".
When remote Special Forces camps were overrun, it was often an "inside job". Indeed, the infamous "Green Beret murder trial" of 1969 was largely the result of the execution of someone who was thought to be an undercover agent. I wrote about sleeper agents in some detail in my semi-autobiographical novel, A River in May.
The situation in Afghanistan echoes the unbearable sadness of Vietnam. Afghanistan is, like Vietnam, a war that cannot be won. My heart aches for the soldiers and bereaved families involved. We should get out now.
Edward Wilson
Chediston, Halesworth, Suffolk
Your editorial proclaims that "Karzai is burying our hopes of ever leaving Afghanistan" (2 November). Surely the very reverse is the case. When the Afghan President refuses to allow obviously false results to be reviewed by a fresh election in his country, this knocks out any sort of argument for keeping our forces in Afghanistan to protect him and his friends from the wrath of their enemies.
The war, which was foolishly entered eight years ago, shows no prospect of concluding with the establishment of a regime bearing any resemblance to a democracy. The cost in life is great, the cost in money similar. If the Americans wish to remain, that is their business, not ours.
Roy Douglas
Polegate, East Sussex
When observers visit bombed villages, they find in the majority of cases the dead civilians outnumber dead insurgents. In nations such as Afghanistan where loyalty to the family takes precedence over loyalty to the national government, every death, whether civilian or militant, acts as a recruiting tool for the insurgents. The more troops we send in, the more dead Afghans, and the more recruits for the Taliban
If we don't change our policies in the fighting of this war, there can be no happy ending.
George D Lewis
Brackley, Northamptonshire
Of the two, who has the more genuine votes in support of him being in his present office, President Karzai of Afghan-istan or Prime Minister Gordon Brown?
Patrick Wise
Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Czech President speaks for Britain
For months David Cameron insisted that he would hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty despite everyone knowing that the Czech decision would predate it. Are we to take it that Mr Cameron has decided that the Czech President speaks for the British people?
Why is the Conservative Party still so indecisive and divided on Europe? Is it once more to be its Achilles heel?
Robert Stewart
Wilmslow, Cheshire
If Health and Safety allows you to attend a bonfire on 5 November, then take a pause to reflect that you are celebrating a defeat of a threat to our democracy. Now that there will be no referendum on the Lisbon treaty, unless the nation votes for UKIP, we have waved goodbye to democracy as we know it.
I suggest putting effigies of Brown, Cameron and any other MP you might feel deserves the same treatment on your bonfire and enjoying every last minute of it (democracy that is).
S Dandy
Yeadon, West Yorkshire
Climate cheaper than banks
On 2 November you rightly pointed out the importance of money as the key to success at Copenhagen.
Developing countries feel they need up to £245bn to reduce their carbon emissions. The European Union thinks £20bn would do. On 4 November you pointed out that Alistair Darling has given a total of £74.2bn to rescue just two damaged banks potentially wrecked by their leaders' reckless gambling with our money.
It would appear that what is needed at Copenhagen for developing countries is almost petty cash compared with what has been thrown at failed banks worldwide to allow them to start another boom-and-bust cycle.
Have we become so selfish and uncaring for others that we see helping developing countries to reduce carbon emissions as too expensive, while protecting our potentially unsupportable lifestyle is essential?
Why don't we start the proceedings by donating a paltry and easily affordable £20bn and request the other "developed" countries to round it up to £250bn and then get down to the serious business of when we might actually start to address the problem of global warming seriously.
John Atkins
Swainby, North Yorkshire
Now that the judges have concurred with Tim Nicholson's desire to pursue his case for wrongful dismissal on the grounds that his eco-beliefs were akin to a philosophy or indeed a religion ("Green beliefs win legal protection", 4 November), some of us may feel that our long-held suspicions have been confirmed.
Tim Brook
Bristol
University free of state control
State control of universities follows acceptance of state finance as sure as night follows day ("Labour's campus revolution", 4 November). The curious thing is that there is no need to take state cash.
Buckingham University has long demonstrated this by operating independently, without costing the taxpayer a farthing. What would surprise many is that, despite paying "full-cost" fees, the student is better off. The reason is that, while their peers in state institutions remain unqualified and building up debt, the Buckingham student is free to earn a full year's salary.
All any university has to do to regain their independence is to offer the same contact-hours and resources over two years instead of three. All those libraries, teaching laboratories, lecture theatres, and support staff can indeed earn their keep instead of lying idle.
As an academic at Buckingham for 10 years, I enjoyed as much time reserved for research etc as elsewhere in my experience. In fact, that time enjoyed much better protection.
Dr Ian East
Islip, Oxfordshire
Sneering at New Labour successes
Matthew Norman's sneering diatribe of 23 October contained the phrase, "the widespread loathing attracted by Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Campbell".
Does this loathing arise from, say, the minimum wage? Can it be from 11 years of low inflation, steady growth and low unemployment? Maybe it is justified by the fact that only 600,000 children were lifted out of absolute poverty? Is it rage at the huge improvements in the NHS? It must be the decisions to intervene in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Sierra Leone – even Iraq? Or the abject failure to secure peace in Northern Ireland?
Has Gordon Brown's successful advocacy of the way to deal with the recession provoked fury? Is Mr Average livid about the lowest basic tax rate, and increased cold weather payments?
Peter Metcalfe
Stevenage, Hertfordshire
You have to admire Gordon Brown: faced with more threats of replacement and only two credible candidates to take over from him, what does he do?
One, Alan Johnson, he sends to that traditional political graveyard, the Home Office, and Johnson duly makes a complete fool of himself over scientific advice. The other, David Miliband, he pushes as candidate for the new High Representative for foreign policy in the EU – which, if Miliband gets it, would take him out of British politics.
Brilliant! Now if only Brown could apply this brilliance to the country's problems rather than his own.
Richard Carter
London SW15
Steve Richards again contributes to our need to understand the Iraq issue ("Blair is the only man for this job", October 30). The decision by Blair was heavily based on political positioning. In seeking to understand how this happened it helps us all to know the influences at work behind the scenes, although it is galling for those who have lost loved ones fighting this war.
But Blair's real genius is in convincing himself that he did it from a righteous conviction. Even today he remains in denial and goes from strength to strength, unaffected by the consequences. To be able to fake sincerity isn't unusual in our politicians. It's a prerequisite in a system of collective responsibility, and is in the former barrister's repertoire. But to maintain it over an issue as large as the Iraq tragedy, to remain utterly convinced you were motivated by the best of intentions and not political positioning, is a truly remarkable skill.
James Richardson-Howell
Norwich
Churchill's virtues
Brian Viner (3 November) comments that the portrayal of Winston Churchill in a television programme captured only his irascibility and not his positive qualities. Perhaps the scriptwriters should have heeded the view of Pamela Plowden that "the first time you meet Winston, you you see all his faults, and the rest of your life you spend in discovering his virtues".
Gordon Elliot
Burford, Oxfordshire
Nation of alcoholics
The letter (4 November) from Peter Stoker of the National Drug Prevention Alliance includes the extraordinary suggestion that anyone who drinks more than 30 units of alcohol per week is an alcoholic. This would include people who have a glass of wine with their lunch and a glass with their evening meal, and the many who drink two pints of beer per day. If Mr Stoker is correct then most of the population of the UK are alcoholics and if he is wrong it is not surprising that the advice of so-called experts is being questioned.
John Rogers
London SW16
Ambridge actors
Jennifer Cowan (letter, 4 November) mentions four actors who played Dan Archer. June Spencer created the role of Peggy Archer but left the cast for a short time and was replaced by Thelma Rogers. When she returned several listeners said, "We don't like the new Peggy." When Robert Mawdesley died his part as Walter Gabriel was taken over by Chriss Gittins. Several characters have been played by different actors. Conversely, some actors have taken different roles; Arnold Peters, who now plays Jack Woolley, was originally cast as Len Thomas, Dan Archer's Welsh cowman.
Garry Humphreys
London N13
President on trial
I'm surprised that in writing on French former heads of state to be put on trial your correspondents have overlooked Marshal Pétain. After all, until he was spirited away by the Germans in August 1944 his official title was Head of the French State. And he was tried, and sentenced to death (commuted to life imprisonment by de Gaulle) in August 1945. For all Jacques Chirac's misdemeanours, it's unlikely he will suffer that fate.
Michael Foss
Teddington, Middlesex
November japes
I grew up in the North of England, in York, but unlike Robert Ibberson (letter, 4 November) we never heard of Halloween trick-or-treating. We did, however, and unfortunately still do, have Mischief Night, which occurs on 4 November – no treats but plenty of tricks.
Lottie Alexander
York
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I drink two pints a day. I hold down a job. I drive knowing that any breathalyser won't even register with me. I do the Times crossword. My brain isn't addled by my 14 pints a week, my liver isn't diseased and I fully intend to continue with one of life's small pleasures.
In his letter, Dai Woosman invites us to blame the 'professional politician' for him not buying a poppy this year. Really, Mr Woosman, I can't be bothered blaming anyone. You blame them if you want to. Thanks for the invite but no thanks. If you have decided not to buy a poppy, as is your right, then that decision is your responsibility, no one else's.
Maybe Mr Woosman and Mr Steel would like to join the rest of us in the real world, worrying about un-employment, home reposessions, fuel bills, errant teenagers, illness and poverty.
I'm with him I noticed the same thing and like Dai Woosnam I gave money to the cause but see no need to wear a poppy. Aren't we naughty!
As Special Forces Officer Wilson mentioned earlier, Afghanistan is clearly similar to Vietnam. Why we cannot learn from our mistakes and pull out of this debacle is beyond me.
The French failed in Vietnam yet we ignored that failure. The juggernaut of the former Soviet Union failed in Afghanistan yet we ignored that failure and jumped right in to the bottomless pit that is modern guerrilla warfare.
Admittedly there was the horrific trigger of the Twin Towers attack, but what of any real measure did we do in response? We invaded Iraq not Afghanistan.
This as we all know now was based on completely fabricated information. When there is a "coalition" of lies from our own governments, how can we stand proud and say that our sons and daughters died for a just cause?
Do we have to reach the casualty numbers of Vietnam before we realize it's a war we'll never win?
1) Vietnam was split into the Communist North and the Capitalist South, which motivated many Vietnamese to try to reunite the two countries and provided the Viet Cong with a safe haven (North Vietnam). Afghanistan has not been split and there is no safe haven for the Taliban (Pakistan does not give the Taliban anywhere near the support North Vietnam gave to the Viet Cong).
2) The Government of South Vietnam was appointed by the USA, while the Government of Afghanistan was elected by the Afghan people. As such the Afghan government is far more popular than the South Vietnamese Government was.
3) China supplied weapons and equipment to the Viet Cong but they are not supplying the Taliban with any weapons. Nor is any other neighbouring country attempting to resupply the Taliban.
4) While many people in South Vietnam wanted to be under the Government of North Vietnam few Afghans want the Taliban to return.
Without the support of the people and a foreign power the Taliban will be crushed, just as the Tamil Tigers were.
2). Voter turnout was less than 40% and many suspect massive voter fraud. As the final run off never happened it's no the best display of a democratically elected leader.
3). It's surprisingly easy to buy weapons it seems. Just look at many other terrorist groups. They don't need to as well equipped as an army as this is guerilla warfare.
4) Well some obviously support the Taliban.
There was 26 years of violence from the Tamil Tigers!
If you read any history of Pakistan - and know the history of how the Taliban came to power - you'll know that's not true. Mullah Omar's faction of the Taliban are currently based in Quetta in Pakistan and the Pakistan military almost certainly continues its longstanding double-game of claiming to fight the Taliban while arming and training them and other violent jihadist groups to ensure Pakistan dominates Afghanistan, to exclude 'Indian influence" and to use as a means of crushing democratic opposition to military domination (and unfair share of Pakistan's tax revenues) in Pakistan. 'Between Mosque and Military' - a book by one of the late Benazir Bhutto's advisers is excellent on this, as is Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid's 'Descent into Chaos'.
Also see these links
http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/2
http://www.duncanmcfarlane.org/Musharra
http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/2
Apart from that they have a safe haven in every Pashtun village and small town in Afghanistan - NATO and the Karzai government control hardly even the few big cities (and other than Kabul these are controlled by other warlords, not Karzai - e.g Ismail Khan in Herat)
And apart from that, according to US intelligence, 90% of the people NATO are fighting in Afghanistan aren't Taliban but local Pashtun tribes resisting foreign invaders under the Pashtunwali honour code
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle
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uanime5 wrote "2) The Government of South Vietnam was appointed by the USA, while the Government of Afghanistan was elected by the Afghan people. As such the Afghan government is far more popular than the South Vietnamese Government was."
Which elections would those be? The ones which every independent observer agreed involved "massive fraud"? Please. You're making all the same excuses the apologists for the Vietnam war made - the Us backed dictators in it were "elected" too in fraudulent elections with dissidents jailed or murdered by the government and the CIA - see Professor Marilyn B. Young's book 'The Vietnam Wars' on this
uanime5 wrote"3) China supplied weapons and equipment to the Viet Cong but they are not supplying the Taliban with any weapons. Nor is any other neighbouring country attempting to resupply the Taliban."
In fact China and the US (among others) are arming Pakistan - and much of the military of Pakistan is involved in arming the Taliban. Even half the factions allied to the Pakistan army in fighting one Taliban faction in Waziristan openly back the Afghan Taliban.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oc
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uanime5 wrote "4) While many people in South Vietnam wanted to be under the Government of North Vietnam few Afghans want the Taliban to return."
If that's true why do we need tens of thousands of NATO troops to be there then? Surely if Afghans all hate the Taliban they'll kick them out themselves - after all most Afghan men in rural areas (most of the country) are armed. In fact most Afghans dislike the Taliban, NATO and the Karzai government because all three do almost nothing for them except kill them and starve them.
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uanime5 wrote"Without the support of the people and a foreign power the Taliban will be crushed, just as the Tamil Tigers were."
A very different situation - and the Tamil Tigers were only crushed by the Sri Lankan government massacring large numbers of Tamil civilians and rounding up and shooting in the head anyone they suspected might be a Tiger and dumping the body in mass graves - as the US State Department, Human Rights Watch and others have found - the Afghan people would be better off under the Taliban than suffering that.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/27/l
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/27/s
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/22/s