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New York-sized ice shelf collapses off Antarctica

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An area of an Antarctic ice shelf almost the size of New York City has broken into icebergs this month after the collapse of an ice bridge widely blamed on global warming, a scientist said today.

"The northern ice front of the Wilkins Ice Shelf has become unstable and the first icebergs have been released," Angelika Humbert, glaciologist at the University of Muenster in Germany, said of European Space Agency satellite images of the shelf.

Humbert told Reuters about 700 sq km of ice - bigger than Singapore or Bahrain and almost the size of New York - has broken off the Wilkins this month and shattered into a mass of icebergs.

She said 370 sq kms of ice had cracked up in recent days from the Shelf, the latest of about 10 shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula to retreat in a trend linked by the UN Climate Panel to global warming.

The new icebergs added to 330 sq kms of ice that broke up earlier this month with the shattering of an ice bridge apparently pinning the Wilkins in place between Charcot island and the Antarctic Peninsula.

Nine other shelves - ice floating on the sea and linked to the coast - have receded or collapsed around the Antarctic peninsula in the past 50 years, often abruptly like the Larsen A in 1995 or the Larsen B in 2002.

The trend is widely blamed on climate change caused by heat-trapping gases from burning fossil fuels, according to David Vaughan, a British Antarctic Survey scientist who landed by plane on the Wilkins ice bridge with two Reuters reporters in January.

Humbert said by telephone her estimates were that the Wilkins could lose a total of 800 to 3,000 sq kms of area after the ice bridge shattered.

The Wilkins shelf has already shrunk by about a third from its original 16,000 sq kms when first spotted decades ago, its ice so thick would take at least hundreds of years to form.

Temperatures on the Antarctic Peninsula have warmed by up to 3 Celsius this century, Vaughan said, a trend climate scientists blame on global warming from burning fossil fuels in cars, factories and power plants.

The loss of ice shelves does not raise sea levels significantly because the ice is floating and already mostly submerged by the ocean.

But the big worry is that their loss will allow ice sheets on land to move faster, adding extra water to the seas.

Wilkins has almost no pent-up glaciers behind it, but ice shelves further south hold back vast volumes of ice.

The Arctic Council, grouping nations with territory in the Arctic, is due to meet in Tromsoe, north Norway, today to debate the impact of melting ice in the north.

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Reverse it.
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 10:53 am (UTC)
Headline would have read better reversed, 'An Antartica sized area of New York State breaks into twonk bergs and collapses into the Atlantic. This widely blamed on global stupidity.
Re: Reverse it.
[info]mikebrisco wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 04:42 am (UTC)
I think you will find that the scientists also, put the cause for warming, on fossil fuels. Having looked at many other possible causes - and ruled them out.
Re: Reverse it.
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC)
The pen is mightier than the sword, or would be if enough people could read properly. Thanks for my daily giggle.
Re: Reverse it.
[info]canadastan wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 02:54 am (UTC)
Are those the same so called scientists who get the cause and effect backwards with C02 and temperature?
'Cause after all, C02 levels rise AFTER temperature, not before.
Re: Reverse it.
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:33 pm (UTC)
now that IS interesting, do explain, please, for us non scientists
Global warming -- Nature or Man
[info]stan4liberty wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 03:05 pm (UTC)
This is yet another bit of fanciful science in the works. Scientists identify very real signs of global warming and politicians blame it on fossil fuels. This is poor science. This is poor logic. This is irrational grounds for any policy decisions. Just like economic controls, attempts to manipulate a system as massive and complex as the weather is doomed to fail -- and wreak havoc on the world economy on the way. Based upon the near impossibility of success in creating any significant change in the climate by reducing the infinitesimal quantities of carbon dioxide we emit, together with the devestating economic consequences of that effort, one is compelled to ask what the real motives behind this frenzy really is. According to the goals of the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the IMF and the World Bank, the economic dislocations and massive reduction of living standards for industrialized nations that the climate changing efforts would create, it would appear that the real goal is the consolidation of government power and the degradation of human dignity to a more "manageable" level. Global Warming is yet another hoax perpetrated by the same people who brought us the past and current depressions, all major modern wars and the Federal Reserve and Income Tax. It is a means to an end -- the end of freedom, peace and prosperity for individuals -- and the beginning of the New World Order.
Antartic meltdown or bad reporting - you decide
[info]martynje wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 03:08 pm (UTC)
All is not what it seems with this article. See the following link for what is really going on.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/17/the-antarctic-wilkins-ice-shelf-collapse-media-recycles-photos-and-storylines-from-previous-years/
[info]stan4liberty wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 03:10 pm (UTC)
To which stupidity do you refer? The stupidity of collectivists trying to rule the world or the stupidity of the public assisting them in exchange for platitudes and guilt?
Antartarctic ice shelf
[info]greebeau wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)
"The loss of ice shelves does not raise sea levels significantly because the ice is floating and already mostly submerged by the ocean". It will not raise sea levels at all because it is floating. That it is mostly submerged merely reflects the difference in density between ice and sea water.
Re: Antartarctic ice shelf
[info]the_kegs wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:52 am (UTC)
DOH!
another nail...
[info]westerncloud wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
If the paranoid conspiracy theorists writing below this article were taking the mick then it would be kind of amusing. That they are being serious is tragic. How much evidence do you deniers need. Oh yeah - there will never be enough because you have already decided what you think and treat everything that does not conform as either marxist conspiracy / rich people conspiracy (please delete to fit your particular issue)!
Re: another nail...
[info]r_lawson wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 05:12 pm (UTC)
The only conspiracy is by the AG Warmists.

Sea Ice anomaly in Antarctica is well over 1 million sq km ABOVE the 30 year average. Do you hear the MSM shouting about that. No of course not.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg

As an AG Warmist you may struggle to understand the graph but to me it's quite clear - it's much colder than usual down there even though CO2 continues to rise.


Tired of denier garbage
[info]dicksonator wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 06:39 pm (UTC)
Surprise, surprise, i hear the global conspiracy nonsense - the governments are conspiring, they are conspiring to take your money to solve global warming and then do nothing of the sort.

As for the science on Antartica, its a complex picture, but please talk to an expert for an opinion instead of reading blogged denialist hyperbole.

I began on the, 'its not really that serious' side of the fence, then i read, read some more then added to that knowledge with a little more reading and i don't take people word for anything, unless they are a published scientist, now i realize the true extent of the problem.
Re: Tired of denier garbage
[info]r_lawson wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 08:17 pm (UTC)
Well before you fall asleep with the tiredness problem the NSIDC (National Sea Ice Data Centre) are the recognised world experts on sea ice. The scientists there are pretty much all published. They even have a warmist as their Head Shed - Dr. Mark Serrez. So you see it is expert opinion - but maybe you just don't agree with what they have to say now the global sea ice anomaly is now 600,000 sq km ABOVE the 30 year average.

Dr. Serrez gleefully predicted and ice free North Pole last year. Guess what it never happened.


Re: Tired of denier garbage
[info]peterwa wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 02:57 am (UTC)
His name is Dr. Mark Serreze. He didn't predict an ice free North Pole, he said it COULD happen with the right conditions.
Re: Tired of denier garbage
[info]r_lawson wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 10:11 pm (UTC)
So he was wrong with his short term forecast. These are the most reliable of any type of forecast. And now you want us to believe his long term forecasts that Arctic ice will disappear forever. Oh dear you really do make it easy for us realists don't you.
Re: Tired of denier garbage
[info]peterwa wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 01:56 am (UTC)
r_lawson wrote: "Now you want us to believe his long term forecasts"

Where in my comment did I say anything about what I want you to believe. I don't particularly care what you believe. I was just pointing out that your comment about Mark Serreze was wrong. Please grow up.
Re: Tired of denier garbage
[info]r_lawson wrote:
Tuesday, 28 April 2009 at 08:28 pm (UTC)
Re: Tired of denier garbage
[info]canadastan wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 03:46 am (UTC)
Do you deny that C02 levels rise AFTER the temperature rises?
More Global Warming Garbage
[info]calum100 wrote:
Wednesday, 29 April 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
Fact 1: Antarctic Sea Ice and Ice Shelfs have increased in size by 1.2 million square Km, the extent at this time of year is now 7 million square Km

Fact 2: Ice shelfs naturally calf at this time of year, that is how icebergs are produced.

Fact 3: This loss of ice amounts to 0.01% of the total ice extent.

Fact 4: The Antarctic normally loses 85% of it's sea ice every summer.

Fact 5: This article is just more Yellow Journalism.
Less sea ice means much faster Arctic warmup
[info]dobermanmacleod wrote:
Thursday, 30 April 2009 at 06:14 am (UTC)
The melting of the sea ice and ice shelves, other than being a sign of global warming, should be feared because it will speed the warmup farther inland. Positive feedback loops are non-linear, and I think scientists are still vastly underestimating the natural release of methane from melting permafrost, both on land and off the coasts, which the melting sea ice will rapidly accelerate.
Re: Less sea ice means much faster Arctic warmup
[info]canadastan wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 03:47 am (UTC)
And since the Arctic and Antarctic ice is actually increasing does that mean we're headed for another ice age?
Re: Less sea ice means much faster Arctic warmup
[info]dobermanmacleod wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:19 am (UTC)
Question by canadastan: And since the Arctic and Antarctic ice is actually increasing does that mean we're headed for another ice age?

From "Responses by Andrew Glikson to Andrew Bolt?s article ?10 climate myths? (Herald Sun 29-4-09)"

MYTH 2 -- THE POLAR CAPS ARE MELTING:

BOLT: Wrong. The British Antarctic Survey, working with NASA, last week confirmed ice around Antarctica has grown 100,000 sq km each decade for the past 30 years. Long-term monitoring by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports the same: southern hemisphere ice has been expanding for decades. As for the Arctic, wrong again. The Arctic ice cap shrank badly two summers ago after years of steady decline, but has since largely recovered. Satellite data from NASA?s Marshall Space Flight Centre this week shows the Arctic hasn?t had this much April ice for at least seven years. Norway?s Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Centre says the ice is now within the standard deviation range for 1979 to 2007.

GLIKSON: This claim is inconsistent with the numerous reports by NASA and the National Ice and Snow Data Centre ( NSIDC) regarding the Arctic Sea ice, Greenland and West Antarctica (References: here; here; here; here), while the entire Antarctic ice sheet (east and west) has warmed over the last 50 years by 0.12 degrees C per decade and west Antarctica by 0.17 degrees C per-decade, including major polar warming anomalies where mean temperature rises over the last 10 years reached levels 3 to 4 degrees higher than during 1951 ? 1980.

dobermanmacleod: A typical global warming denier tactic, to ignore obvious and blantant signs of warming by raising a red herring. My suggestion is, if you can't bring yourself to admit the obvious (that sea ice is diminishing), then just wait a few decades and the signs of global warming will become so obvious that even you won't be able to ignore them.
It does this every year
[info]canadastan wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 02:49 am (UTC)
What's the big deal?
The total ice in the Antarctic is increasing.
Re: It does this every year
[info]dobermanmacleod wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 04:26 am (UTC)
I beg your pardon, I don't want to make this an ad hominem attack, but your judgement appears to be impaired. Does this impact other parts of your life? Or, maybe you are being paid to cause confusion like the tobacco companies did to delay regulation. It just doesn't seem healthy for a person to be so contrary and removed from reality. Frankly, I'm concerned about you canadastan, are you happy? Are you genuinely seeking the truth?? Maybe it is just that you are trusting the wrong sources for your information-you know the more you watch FOX TV, the more misinformed you get.
Re: It does this every year
[info]canadastan wrote:
Sunday, 10 May 2009 at 03:02 pm (UTC)
Actually it's the warmists whose judgment is impaired.
They got the cause and effect backwards with Co2 levels and increasing temperatures.
C02 levels increase AFTER temperature.
They also insist on ignoring the fact that NASA blamed the temporary decrease in Arctic ice on wind patterns, not global warming.
Ice levels are increasing again.
In the Antarctic the warmists focus exclusively on the one small area where ice decreases and ignore the fact that overall the ice is increasing there.

It is you my friend who is in denial.

Japanese scientists recently came out and compared the AGW predictions to middle age astrology.
Do you believe in astrology?

Google Antarctic ice increasing and you'll see plenty of evidence for it.
Plenty of excuses as to why increasing ice is a bad sign of course, but that goes with the times. Increasing ice is bad, decreasing ice is bad, and likely if the ice stayed the same it would be bad as well.
if the earth is round.......? (ish)... ?
[info]vhawk1951 wrote:
Friday, 1 May 2009 at 09:42 pm (UTC)
... if you go due south from the north pole , do you not reach the south pole and if you keep going do you not wind up back at the north pole and could the poles not be contiguous?- I appreciate that the world is more pear shaped than dead round but is not the principle the same?
[info]debra_moore wrote:
Friday, 15 May 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
The first step to battling climate change is public awareness. As a elementary school science teacher, I am always on the lookout for new educational tools or projects for climate awareness. I came across this website the other day http://www.transantarcticexpedition.com/

its an expedition being led my a man named Andrew Regan. They are pioneering new ideas in low impact technology and are creating an educational video of their research to be used by educators. I think the more projects that are out there, the better chance we have of saving the planet from human destruction.

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