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Inconvenient truths: Don't believe the greenwash


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So, which to choose: clean electricity, or the protection of birds and beasts?

So you drive a Prius, eat organic and boycott anything made in China – but will that help to fight climate change? Simon Usborne faces the facts many ecologists would rather ignore

Click the image to the right to launch "Inconvenient truths: Don't believe the greenwash"

Additional reporting by Helen Brown

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Inconvenient truths: Don't believe the greenwash
[info]stewinjapan wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 10:59 am (UTC)
Regarding the expression " Importing bananas and kiwis is one thing (they don't grow so well in Kent)", it should be obvious from their name that kiwis are not a tropical fruit. Some varieties are hardy to -15C and below, much colder than you get in Kent. They will grow there perfectly well, so long as you have a male and a female vine. Anyone with a trellis or similar can grow them. They are very heavy producers.
Inconvenient truths: Don't believe the greenwash
[info]paramotor wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 11:05 am (UTC)
It's good to see Simon Usborne's poorly researched article on how the severn barrage will destroy the estuary. If he was a proper journalist he would have spent 30 minutes looking at the experiences of
la Rance the tidal barrage in Brittany, France. Since its construction in 1966 it has generated approx 600 million kWh per year and the lagoon behind it has flourished for birdlife and fishing. The tide still comes in and out (that's how you generate the power!) just not so fast giving clearer water and better living conditions for nearly all lifeforms in the estuary. All that happens is the floor of the sea is no longer sandblasted clean four times a day by a 6knot current instead being filled/emptied by a steadier flow.
The mudflats remain and Electricite de France who manage the barrage control the water levels to keep
the wildlife happy as well as maximise power output. I visited it 30 years ago and it is still as full of wildlife today as it was then with some French ecologists saying it has improved the estuary.
Food Miles
[info]sudseax wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 11:47 am (UTC)
This is a very poor argument and it certainly doesn't justify the headline "Counting food miles will get you nowhere". Agreed, just counting food miles is an over-simplification. Most people who are environmentally aware know this.

However, it is still the case that the food we eat makes a major contribution to our carbon footprint. I suggest that if we start by choosing local food, that's in season and preferably organic it will make a significant difference. (And a vegetarian diet, or at least a reduction in meat consumption, would make even more of a positive contribution).

Simon Usborne lists a few exceptions (and I don't argue with those) but it's very poor reasoning to use these exceptions to write off the whole idea of food miles. And as for quoting Gareth Thomas: what's that supposed to tell us? It's OK to drive 6.5 miles to buy our shopping AND buy food that's flown half-way round the world! If you do have to drive to shop, then surely it would be best not to add even more to the carbon footprint.
Trees emitting CO2?
[info]tomocarbon wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 11:51 am (UTC)
Regarding the bit about carbon offsetting-

A tree that emits more carbon than it absorbs is not living, it is rotting down. If the timber is instead used in say, a cathedral, it will fix that carbon for thousands of years. Hard to trust anything else Simon Usbourne says in this poorly researched piece.
Re: Trees emitting CO2?
[info]canadastan wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)
Good point.
Another place trees don't emit their C02 is in the landfill.
I heave all my old newspapers in the landfill.
Inconvenient truths: Don't believe the greenwash
[info]garlicgirl71 wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 12:08 pm (UTC)
There are other reasons why one might want to avoid green beans from Kenya, such as largescale water course diversion away from the local, subsistence-farming population towards factory-farm market-gardens that exist to supply us with out-of-season fruit and veg.
Not impartial
[info]sublibellous wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
I notice that the only pro-GM quote the OP can dig up is from a decade ago, from a man who was being paid to advise New Labour. He's hardly going to disagree with them and their agrochemical backers, is he? The real problem with GM is that the multinationals have far too great a financial incentive to claim that their products are properly tested, even if they aren't.
Perhaps stick to phone tests and comics, Simon?
[info]andrewthefarmer wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 12:18 pm (UTC)
In my opinion, the writer fudges facts and takes liberties with the calculator to make sure he finds faults in all of the reasoning, practicies and technologies. He seems to work very hard to present a false choice in each example, but it's perhaps necessary to make a cohesive article out of next to nothing.

"Cute animals will have to die"
Cute animals (and others) do not have to die, if the power plant constructors looked at all alternatives. Also, by moving and establishing new wetlands where possible, the ecology can adapt, given the chance.

"We need nuclear power"
A very unfortunate quote from the politician at the end, since her grand-children may be the ones stuck with dealing with the waste, while reaping no reward from the cheap, plentiful energy.

"Counting food miles will get you nowhere"
Again, conjuring up an absolute truth where none exist. Why not suggest effective, practical labeling of products, as in "greenhouse cultivated" (usually bad) or "CO2-less shipping" (good), to give consumers the right type of signals to put into their real-world equations, rather than juggling numbers from made-up scenarios?

"An old banger beats a hybrid"
Section semi-disqualified by not recognising the fundamental difference in fuel consumtion between petrol engines (Toyota Prius) and diesel engines (BMW 520 diesel), but happily comparing them side by side anyway.

"Coal is not a dirty word"
It is perhaps as practical as storing nuclear waste deep underground and hoping for stability in the next millennia. Probably safe, but who knows.

"Organic farming doesn't add up"
Excellent argument for going vegan! However, the open and fractured landscape of small farms are important to the biological diversity and the stability of the ecosystems. Compared to massive, industrial fields of mono-crops, though perhaps more efficient, organic farms seem like the future. Also, according to methane measures, 1 cow equals to 8 sheep, which may be an argument for switching protein source. (Hens are even better.)

"Ancient forests must be axed"
Another false choice. Luckily, most of us are not "utterly rational".

"Nature needs GM crops"
Nature has no opinion, but will take what we give and duplicate it. For example, genetic material that has been assembled in labs, will now make its way into wild varieties of crops, with unknown consequences. Closed systems are preferable to guineapiggin' the whole planet. Furthermore, we already have enough food to feed the whole planet, but we lack the political will and democratic maturity to secure and disperse it.

"Carbon offsetting doesn't pay"
Agree, actually. But why not demand that politicians lower the cap to a sustainable level? By letting the market adjust to the "facts on the ground", instead of just demanding credits for what they have been outputting (and then some), we could finally begin to favor energy conservation, carbon-less production and smart technology.

"China might be the solution"
China excels in making stuff cheap, including cheap solar, wind and rechargeable products. I have not seen a single calculation that shows that China does this using exceptionally low carbon manufacturing or otherwise save raw materials. What China traditionally also has been good at, is covering up scandals, oppressing protests regarding environmental catastrophes and lending money to further unsustainable lifestyles. This "low-carbon dragon economy" may very well be just the latest flavor of "business as usual", where demands from the West to cover up our problems ("salve our consciences") provokes a rapid response from the supplier-side.

Regards,
Andrew
Re: Perhaps stick to phone tests and comics, Simon?
[info]jf_kay wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:43 pm (UTC)
Good posting. Thanks for taking the time to put it into words.
Re: Perhaps stick to phone tests and comics, Simon? - [info]maggieleslie - Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Perhaps stick to phone tests and comics, Simon? - [info]another_pete - Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 03:54 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Perhaps stick to phone tests and comics, Simon? - [info]seankidney - Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 03:04 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Perhaps stick to phone tests and comics, Simon? - [info]tommytcg - Thursday, 5 March 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC) Expand
organic agriculture
[info]erfmuvver wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 12:36 pm (UTC)
perhaps the author of this rather flippant piece might care to read the paper from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development and the United Nations Environment Programme called:
Organic Agriculture and Food Security in Africa.

The preface notes:

The evidence presented in this study supports the argument that organic agriculture can be more
conducive to food security in Africa than most conventional production systems, and that it is
more likely to be sustainable in the long term.

The article in the Independent recycles tired old arguments against organic that we have heard too many times. Let's have something with a bit more analysis.
Simon Usborne is winding us up, right?
[info]jf_kay wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC)
I know The Independent is sinking to the right and dumbing down excessively, but this article from 3 March just has to be a wind-up. If not, the lobbyists with the millions at their disposal are really winning hands down. All because we are a generation who are basically ignorant and lazy about changing our ways. I put my hopes in an incurable form of avian flu! Janet Kaiser, Wales (where we can grow kiwi fruits alongside the grape vines)
Inconvenient truths: Don't believe the greenwash
[info]swanieaz wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:17 pm (UTC)
Sorry, but they have to find a way to protect the birds and beasts. If not, and I go to the logical conclusion of this, only humans and feed birds and beasts would remain?

How STUPID is this? Man can find a way. We are also responsible for protecting our planet for future generations - otherwise there is no purpose to all of this.

Enough.
Thought April fools was next month?
[info]leedalton wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:24 pm (UTC)
This is probably the most poorly researched article I have ever come across. Admittedly ancient forests do not absorb as much CO2 as newer forests, however ancient forests hold huge quantities of carbon, acting as a carbon sink, in fact the clearance of forests usually through burning is the second largest source of green house gas emissions on earth. Of course there is the other small problem of bio diversity loss but guess that's not important to a writer of a blatantly anthrocentric article.
P.S.
[info]jf_kay wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:39 pm (UTC)
Forgot to say: this article will now be quoted as "being proof" of the wilder claims made by distructive industries and their lobbyists, not to mention governments who are sitting on their (well paid) fannies humming-and-hahing but doing nought about distruction of the environment let alone global warming. The Independent just lost a whole lot of street cred!
an old beater is better than a new hybrid
[info]pushaw5 wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:48 pm (UTC)
If one needs proof of the obvious agenda to mislead in this article, just look at the image of a large Jeep 4wheel drive over the heading "an old beater is better than a new hybrid. The article then goes on to talk about how high efficiency diesel engines can get better mileage on open highway touring, which is true. However, the Prius and other hybrids are not designed to get their best mileage in open highway touring. If your primary use for your car will be touring across Europe or traveling long trips down a US interstate highway, then choose the car that gets the best highway mileage. If you, like most people, will drive short distances around town at slow to moderate speeds, the Prius will get you much better mileage than any current gasoline or diesel engine.

However, there is no scenario in which the pictured jeep is a greener choice than a hybrid. The article's intent seems to be to instill confusion and therefore complacency. Keep thinking green folks. Your efforts are not wasted, as this article implies.
cute animals will have to die
[info]snowdonwatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 01:58 pm (UTC)
There are some good points in this article, & some poorly researched narrow ones, but the most difficult question is ignored!

I would not normally describe humans as "cute little animals" but the world population is the biggest problem of all & that is the one that has to be addressed..........

If we don't then frankly the future is bleak, even if it is bleak & green!
Re: cute animals will have to die
[info]sableagle wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:13 pm (UTC)
About four billions fewer humans on Earth doesn't sound so bleak to me. A few big meteorite strikes in the right places would work wonders. If one wiped out Jerusalem, maybe people would stop fighting over it. The airborne dust might keep us cool enough to save the polar bears for a few years too.

Rather than turning off the lights for an hour one day a yaer, let's have a week in which nobody gets pregnant.
Re: cute animals will have to die - [info]snowdonwatcher - Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Saving the environment
[info]samboone wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 02:31 pm (UTC)
Let's take the problem back to its basic cause, too many people on the planet. Along with trying to ward off global warming, we should be looking at ways to control population. This is the root of all climate change. All the other problems are fixable, biofuels, etc., but it won't do much good if we continue to grow in population.

Sonja Craythorne
Coal
[info]wmass wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 02:46 pm (UTC)
In your defense of "clean coal" you make no mention of mercury. I was under the impression that coal power plants are the reason I cannot eat fish every day without dying of mercury poisoning. You can capture all the CO2 you like, but if we are still poisoning our oceans then coal is not a viable option.
don't believe
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC)
the bigoil wash
Some Inconvenient Truths?
[info]gazza123 wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 04:03 pm (UTC)
As an Independent reader i,m disapointed that Simon Usborne has been allowed to produce such a badly researched and unbalanced article that just does not stand up. I agree with the comments already posted detailing the absurdity of this so called 'Alternative Green Manifesto' can the editor of the Independent not have seen this before it was produced, or does he/she agree with it? sorry is that an 'Inconvenient Truth'!
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths?
[info]sableagle wrote:
Sunday, 8 March 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC)
The editors of the Independent have had to change an article about Pakistan to correct the name of one of the victims and the title of an opinion piece about Israeli technology to make it into something actually supported by the text below it after I got the paper edition this week, and on Friday page three had a half-page advert for Saturday's edition disguised as news, including a quote from an interview with the deputy editor of the Independent.
Ancient forests must be axed
[info]daviddds wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 04:34 pm (UTC)
Very, tragically wrong!
This nonsense spoils the article, which contains much sense elsewhere.
Ancient woodland in the GB is a term used by conservationists for woodland, which has never been cleared, resulting in a huge variety of rare species of flowers, creatures, etc. In nature conservation terms, a huge treasure! It was, however, always harvested, a traditional method being coppice with standards, with large trees such as oak spaced well apart for timber and coppice trees such as hazel in between harvested every, say, 10 years. This supported a large greenwood industry while preserving the nature. Such woods are today mostly just growing wild through disinterest, which brings little benefit compared to the traditional management.
If, as you say, old trees do not suck up carbon as well as young ones, please take into account that old trees suport a large range of species. If coppicing was to be restarted by people, who need wood for heating, under the supervision of nature conservation organisations, the overall environmental and nature conservational benefits could be huge.
window of opportunity gone
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)

Other than permaculture and powerdown, it's all greenwash.

The window of opportunity for humans 'fixing' the environment (including the massive population and energy problems) came and went in the 1980s. Instead of heeding the perfectly valid limits to growth warnings of the 60s and 70s, politiicans and business leaders promoted a free for all, based on the worst aspects of greed and stupidity imaginable.

Nature will deal with that greed and stupidity over the coming decades in ways most people are not going to like. It is already starting for poor people in remote places, and will work through to so-called advanced nations, whether we like it or not.
change diet please
[info]veganvampus wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC)
I totally agree that birds and beasts must be protected. If we don't do it, who will? Stand up for those who cannot speak and are not injected with growth hormones so they will end up on our plates within 6 weeks from egg to nuggets. Why are we not listening to what the U.N. already wrote last year that a vegan or vegetarian diet is the only solution not to leave a carbon footprint.
PRwash
[info]skyemartyn wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 07:06 pm (UTC)
So, how much did the Independent sell this advertising space for? Times are hard I guess, and there is no base to how low standards will fall.

I'd suggest anyone interested reads Toxic Sludge is Good For You: Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry, then re-reads the advertisement above. Clear, unadulterated PR.
Alternatives to the Barrage...
[info]lawrence18uk wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 08:06 pm (UTC)
I too am appalled by the destructionist Severn Barrage scheme, but is it necessary? Another project, The Severn Tidal Reef Project, will achieve the same power output for much less destruction. See http://www.severntidal.com/ - it employs v. low speed turbines 'permeable' to marine life.
Inaccurate yet some use.
[info]great_auk_egg wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 11:02 pm (UTC)
While there is clearly a lot wrong with this article (just read what other people have said), it does raise some important issues. If an 'environmentally friendly' project (e.g. a dam) will produce lots of clean power, but will destroy wildlife habitats, should it be built? There are difficult decisions to be made, and I hope the decision makers get their facts (and priorities) right.
Could CCS be greenwash?
[info]lana707 wrote:
Wednesday, 4 March 2009 at 11:47 pm (UTC)
I am sceptical about this - I was at the UN Climate Conference in December, where the EU were announcing their plans to subsidise clean coal technology. However, an engineer in the audience pointed out that there are not enough geological sites capable of taking all the stored carbon dioxide that would be necessary. We simply do not have enough secure underground sites for the emissions from these plants over a number of years. Also, there is no guaranteed the CO2 will stay underground as it can seep up over time if the wrong site is chosen. Would it not be more worthwhile for the EU to fund genuine and tested technologies like renewable energy, to the same extent? It does not set a good precedent for the EU to support new coal capacity that is 'CCS ready' - whatever the coal industry may say.
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