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Nuclear power? Yes please...

Exclusive: leading greens join forces in a major U-turn

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

Britain must embrace nuclear power if it is to meet its commitments on climate change, four of the country’s leading environmentalists – who spent much of their lives opposing atomic energy – warn today.

The one-time opponents of nuclear power, who include the former head of Greenpeace, have told The Independent that they have now changed their minds over atomic energy because of the urgent need to curb emissions of carbon dioxide.

They all take the view that the building of nuclear power stations is now imperative and that to delay the process with time-consuming public inquiries and legal challenges would seriously undermine Britain’s promise to cut its carbon emissions by 80 per cent by 2050.

The volte-face has come at a time when the Government has lifted its self-imposed moratorium on the construction of the next generation of nuclear power stations and is actively seeking public support in the selection of the strategically important sites where they will be built by 2025.

The intervention is important as it is the first time that senior environmental campaigners have broken cover and publicly backed nuclear power.

It will be a welcome boost to the Government, which is expecting strong protests about the new generation of nuclear power stations at the planning stage.

The four leading environmentalists who are now lobbying in favour of nuclear power are Stephen Tindale, former director of Greenpeace; Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury, the chairman of the Environment Agency; Mark Lynas, author of the Royal Society’s science book of the year, and Chris Goodall, a Green Party activist and prospective parliamentary candidate.

Mr Tindale, who ran Greenpeace for five years until he resigned in 2005, has taken a vehemently anti-nuclear stance through out his career as an environmentalist. “My position was necessarily that nuclear power was wrong, partly for the pollution and nuclear waste reasons but primarily because of the risk of proliferation of nuclear weapons,” Mr Tindale said.

“My change of mind wasn’t sudden, but gradual over the past four years. But the key moment when I thought that we needed to be extremely serious was when it was reported that the permafrost in Siberia was melting massively, giving up methane, which is a very serious problem for the world,” he said.

“It was kind of like a religious conversion. Being anti-nuclear was an essential part of being an environmentalist for a long time but now that I’m talking to a number of environmentalists about this, it’s actually quite widespread this view that nuclear power is not ideal but it’s better than climate change,” he added.

None of the four was in favour of nuclear power a decade ago, but recent scientific evidence of just how severe climate change may become as a result of the burning of oil, gas and coal in conventional power stations has transformed their views.

“The issue that has primarily changed my mind is the absolute imperative of reducing carbon dioxide emissions. Fifteen years ago we knew less about climate change. We knew it was likely to happen, we didn’t quite realise how fast,” said Lord Smith, who described himself as a long-time sceptic regarding nuclear power.

“What’s happened is that we’ve woken up to the very serious nature of the climate-change problem, the essential task of reducing carbon dioxide emissions and the need to decarbonise electricity production over the course of the next 20 to 30 years,” he said.

Renewable sources of energy, such as wind, wave and solar power, are still necessary in the fight against global warming, but achieving low-carbon electricity generation is far more difficult without nuclear power, Lord Smith said.

Mark Lynas said that his change of mind was also a gradual affair borne out of the need to do something concrete to counter the growing emissions of carbon dioxide created by producing electricity from the burning of fossil fuels. “I’ve been equivocating over this for many years; it’s not as if it’s a sudden conversion, but it’s taken a long time to come out of the closet. For an environmentalist, it’s a bit like admitting you are gay to your parents because you’re kind of worried about being rejected,” Mr Lynas said.

“I’ve been standardly anti-nuclear throughout most of my environmental career. I certainly assumed that the standard mantra about it being dirty, dangerous and unnecessary was correct,” he said.

“The thing that initially pushed me was seeing how long and difficult the road to going to 100 per cent renewable economy would be, and realising that if we really are serious about tackling global warming it the next decade or two then we certainly need to consider a new generation of nuclear power stations.”

The long moratorium on building nuclear power plants in Britain came about largely because of intense lobbying by environmentalists in the 1970s and 1980s – a campaign that may have caused more harm than good, Mr Lynas said.

“In retrospect, it will come to be seen as an enormous mistake for which the earth’s climate is now paying the price. To give an example, the environmentalists stopped a nuclear plant in Austria from being switched on, a colossal waste of money, and instead [Austria] built two coal plants,” he said.

The four will now join the ranks of those like Sir David King, the former chief scientific adviser to the Government and now director of the Smith Centre in Oxford, who was sceptical about nuclear power until he was presented with data on the scale of the climate-change problem.

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Losing the plot...
[info]2barrows wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:47 am (UTC)
Leaving aside the obvious risks (more nuclear waste to dump, and a higher risk of accident if there are more nuclear plants) then this presumably means that if it is good enough for the UK, there can be no objection by these Damascean converts to the Iranians or North Korea or Zimbabwe or other similar reliable regimes having nuclear power too. Or their by-products, like the odd dirty bomb or two. All because we failed to invest adequately in the alternative technologies during the boom years. No, not acceptable. We must reduce energy consumption (the recession/depression will help) and put our effort into less risky solutions.
Re: Losing the plot...
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
Come off it!

The waste is not a problem if we build a geologically-stable, underground Depository. One Depository could hold all the waste from the last 60 years & the next 100+ without any significant risk.

As for accidents - France, America etc. have only had one significant problem in the whole history of Power Generation (Three Mile Island) at which the radiation release was trivial. Chernobyl was the only release problem and could never happen under a sensible system of Government.

Of course we have to have inspection (IAEA?) of Plants in dubious regimes but you are massively underestimating the effort required to produce weapons-grade material from Civilian Reactors.

As for reducing energy consumption - dream on. The main support for now living longer, healthier lives is energy consumption. If you want to dramatically reduce consumption then we will have to go back to an agrarian society (max UK population 10/15 million?)

All the windmills & Solar PV systems in the world would not reduce the need for power stations by more than a trivial percentage and that is before we consider the consumption if electric cars become viable.

We should be funding Fusion Reactions much more than we do & increasing R&D on Tidal Power etc.
Re: Losing the plot... - [info]johnsmith9833 - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:43 pm (UTC) Expand
nuclear power
[info]airstavros wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
Nuclear power is the way forward. It is clean, safe and renewable. Wind farms are ugly and useless, other than to pander to the lentil munching sandal brigade.
Re: nuclear power
[info]jpdeveau wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 11:49 am (UTC)
Hmmmm.... Nuclear Power is not really that safe although its come a long way. Uranium is not renewable, although fuel recycling technology may eventually make it renewable, it has not yet. Also tons and tons of other fuels such as oil, coal and so on are use during the mining and processing of uranium with that taken into account its also not so clean after all.

Wind farms are not ugly, or useless. Given the proper infrastructure we could get much of our energy from wind.

With declining Uranium reserves nuclear power will be a bridge at best. The question is a bridge to where? What is our energy future? Recycled uranium..? Maybe. Wind...? maybe. Nothing..? Maybe.
Re: nuclear power - [info]colinru - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: nuclear power - [info]mshillaber - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:42 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: nuclear power - [info]colinru - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:13 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: nuclear power - [info]paulmcdon - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Nuclear power
[info]a_haworthrobert wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:06 am (UTC)
Two other environmentalists have previously broken away from the anti-nuclear consensus of the green movement - Patrick Moore (I mean the ecologist who was in Greenpeace) and journalist George Monbiot. Though nuclear power is not ideal, I can see why they no longer think it should be rejected out of hand. But so far other high profile environmentalists - like Tony Juniper and Jonathon Porrit - seem unwilling to come onboard.
Credibility
[info]themadgooner wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:37 am (UTC)
Coming soon....

Greens believe Earth is getting too cold..

Re: Credibility
[info]elgroover wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC)
Productivity "..........." Impossibility - Good strike 'gooner', back of the net!! Smoke out them 'green herrings'. No credibility whatsoever. Still no viable alternative in sight to change the status quo - no news is msm news ; j
Re: Credibility - [info]johnsmith9833 - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:43 pm (UTC) Expand
Gas cost
[info]northwest0161 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 02:05 am (UTC)
The gas prices this year have scared me and I think many people will have had a very cold winter. I am already dreading next year and Gordon Brown has done nothing. As usual, unwilling to tackle profiteering big business.

When old and poor people risk freezing to death, something has to be done. When I read campaigners saying that we need a new green tax, my reply is 'you have to be kidding'. Already people have been squeezed as far as they can be. I am no fan of nuclear but we need affordable energy. I would prefer non-nuclear alternatives to produce that if possible. But paying more and more for heating is not an option.

And green campaigners who are related to millionaire pop stars and the gentry should shut up.
Nuclar power> No thanks
[info]brilight1 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 02:11 am (UTC)
But this is all so utterly wrong. The solution to both the energy crisis and carbon emissions is staring you in the face. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/23/solarpower.windpower

Concentrated solar power arrays in the Saraha could provide ALL Europe's electricity needs. Zero emissions, zero radioactive waste. Not a bad response to the recession either - a massive pan-European public works programme with a benign and noble aim (but no by-product of weapons grade plutonium for the next generation of nuclear weapons - what a shame!).
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks
[info]a_inchpractive wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 03:34 am (UTC)
I'd like to know how you propose to transport the energy from the Sahara to Europe, and how you intend to keep the lights on at night. Just curious. Seems to me you will need devices which have not yet been invented.
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]robertpalgrave - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:21 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]boudica_brown - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]brilight1 - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 11:40 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]colinru - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]brilight1 - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 12:34 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]colinru - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 12:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Nuclar power> No thanks - [info]johnsmith9833 - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:44 pm (UTC) Expand
I have lentils and sandals but ...
[info]imogenlucy wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 02:11 am (UTC)
sadly i have to agree with the nuclear converts. If only people had listened to us lentil-lovers 15 years ago, of course, we could have put up the wind turbines back then and we'd all be feeling much jollier right now.

By the way, the meat industry produces 18% of global carbon emissions. Try lentils for a change.
Re: I have lentils and sandals but ...
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 12:20 pm (UTC)
"y the way, the meat industry produces 18% of global carbon emissions. Try lentils for a change."

You must be kidding? Do you know how much lentils make you FART? We'd simply be switching the problem of methane emission from millions of cows to BILLIONS of human beings. We would kill the planet with human flatulence!
Re: I have lentils and sandals but ... - [info]chloepink - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 09:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Nuclear Power is NOT Renewable
[info]seeg55 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 02:33 am (UTC)
Where do people get the impression that nuclear power is renewable? In the absence of the Holy Grail of safe fusion reactors, the raw material for nuclear power is uranium. At current rates of use, the known resources will last 230 years (US Nuclear Energy Agency). Its supporters demand at least a ten-fold increase in nuclear power generation. Do the maths. And don't mention uranium in seawater. Just as we don't have time to find out if 'geosequestration' of carbon dioxide will make for 'clean coal', we don't have time to see if we can ever economically extract uranium from seawater. Clean energy sources are available now. The only problem is that corporate capitalism can't turn them into never-ending money flows. You can't make money out of mining and processing sunlight and wind, so it's not economically viable.
Re: Nuclear Power is NOT Renewable
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:29 pm (UTC)
I agree that Fission materials will run out eventually. I would have said a 100 years but maybe 230 years will be correct.

Clean energy sources are all much more expensive than Fission Power so you are going to have a significant reduction in your standard of living. It has nothing to do with Capitalism - it is an economic fact whatever Political System you live under. It may be that you would be prepared to reduce your standard but I think it is politically naive of you to think that the majority of people will. Wars have been fought over much less than that!

Increase R&D on Fusion & other renewables & hope that we can crack the economics before U3O8 supplies ar exhausted. Fusion people think that they can do it within 30 years and, if not, maybe one or more of the other systems will succeed.
Re: Nuclear Power is NOT Renewable - [info]redcraig - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 10:36 pm (UTC) Expand
Colder climate change
[info]simondav01 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 03:21 am (UTC)
After the coldest winter period for 20 years, reducing supplies of oil and gas is a much bigger threat than climate change. Nuclear and renewables are the only way to go, with possible nuclear fusion in the future.
Posting, setting up account
[info]simondav01 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 03:22 am (UTC)
Hard work setting up a post on this blog, easier to log into my bank!!
Re: Posting, setting up account
[info]northstate wrote:
Sunday, 1 March 2009 at 02:50 am (UTC)
Hear, hear! from a friendly but nearly frustrated Yank! But it is worth it. People in the UK still write in English with punctuation, capitalization when proper and use tenses as they were designed. For the most part grammar still lives, I can forgive differing viewpoints even when they are totally irrational if they are written correctly. Thank you for keeping the the integrity of the language we inherited and some of us will endeavor to do the same

Northstate California Richard USA
Greens have been their own worse enemy for too long!
[info]a_inchpractive wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 03:27 am (UTC)
It has been obvious for many years that a busload of nuclear waste which you can fit into a hole in the ground is enormously preferable to pumping trillions of tons of smoke into the atmosphere. It is frankly staggering that "environmentalists" are only now realising this. And as for the safety issue: are these people aware that 10,000 people die every year in coal mining accidents?
nuclear fusion
[info]tryandcatchmesa wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 03:30 am (UTC)
we need investment!!!
Tired ex radicals
[info]johncmullen1960 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 05:49 am (UTC)
Nothing new about tired ex radicals slowly deciding that supporting nuclear power or bombing Afghanistan or Iraq is more comfortable than thinking. And if you can become "Sir" or "Lord" in the process, well that's just the icing on the cake innit? I recommend Jonathan Neale's new book "Stop climate change - change the world".
fiddle while rome burns
[info]wonderbus101 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 06:32 am (UTC)
Astonishing - build nuclear power stations because wind farms are ugly. Ha Ha Ha! That's brilliant. With thinking like that its a wonder the human race ever got past using flint tools. Lets put aside the only true environmental problem facing us which is over population. Lets also put aside the fact that nuclear power stations need to be built on the coast to have access to lots and lots of cooling water, yet sea levels will rise significantly over the coming decades, even if CO2 output stops tomorrow. Oh, hang on, aren't all the existing ones at sea level already? Oh dear. Anyone fancy trying to move a live reactor? No, didn't think so.

If only the 'greens' started pushing the fact that we need to stop breeding so much and ignored the irrelevancies they might be worth listening to.
Re: fiddle while rome burns
[info]berserkerboy wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC)
I absolutely agree. The greenest thing you can do is have no kids. However, in the UK we continue to incentivise breeding. Stop offering council houses and income support. If you can't afford kids why should we pay for them?! We should set up hostels for these people where their basic needs are catered for. It wouldn't be so appealing then. I was behind some teenage mothers the other day in Tescos moaning about their kids. However, one then piped up: 'It's better pay than stacking shelves though!'.....Precisely the problem!!
Re: fiddle while rome burns - [info]jabbanobadda - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 11:11 am (UTC) Expand
Re: fiddle while rome burns - [info]colinru - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: fiddle while rome burns - [info]colinru - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 12:41 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: fiddle while rome burns - [info]sickofstupidity - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC) Expand
Nuclear Is Beautiful - Global Warning Saves Energy
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
yet 'Green' lobbyists delayed the expansion of nuclear energy for years. Perhaps 'Liberty' will soon accept that torture is a barbaric but acceptable element of war
Serious questions....
[info]sportingmac wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:04 am (UTC)
...where did these 'experts' think energy was going to come from in the quantity needed? I suspect that they had their head up their 'windpipes' for all these years they have stalled the build of nuclear. To think we let them have an opinion on our behalf.
Shame on all four
[info]paradoxo2001 wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:05 am (UTC)
A Renewable Economy IS possible despite all the energy-industry-sponsored articles. As 2barrows said if we support this industry, their exports (that include a "sealed" reactor that supposedly lasts for 50 years) will be sold to unstable regimes with horrific consequences. Whats more, the waste management is usually not entirely calculated in the costs and the usual practice is that the tax payer pays for it in the end and for many years. The illusion that nuclear power is safe comes from the rarity of accidents. The reality is that it just takes one big incident for a group of madmen to take us back to the middle ages or worse. Not to mention the the fuel is again finite, with whatever implications that might have on future prices, wars over it, etc. On the contrast receivables are infinite, safe, reliable and with the right investment in R&D, even more productive than other sources. Its a political decision not a one-way road.
Re: Shame on all four
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:31 pm (UTC)
NO. A reneable economy is not feasible with our present UK population.

We should not sell to unstable regimes - Politics rather than an Energy concern.

Waste management is not a massive proportion of the cost of the power produced by a Nuclear Fission Reactor over its lifetime providing :

1) We build a Depository now
2) The taxpayer is responsible for running it (for Security). The running costs are a small proportion of the total lifetime cost of a Depository.
3) We build a large number of Reactors (so Depository cost is spread over a large cost base).

No group of nutters is likely to be able to do worse than Chernobyl which (over a lifetime) will have killed less than 500 people. So your concern, whilst valid, is overstated. Chernobyl was a tragedy for individuals but did not take us back to the Middle Ages.

Renewables (including Fusion) are infinite & safe but not reliable (what do we do when there is no sun or wind?) and are not economically productive yet but may be in future. Meanwhile go Fission.
Re: Shame on all four - [info]solipsistident - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 10:46 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Shame on all four - [info]colinru - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC) Expand
How long do you think it will take...
[info]sportingmac wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:21 am (UTC)
..before those who cannot afford the prices of gas & electricity through unemployment combine with those who have lost their savings and homes and start mass riots and individual attacks on bankers and environmentalists? I hear you say that the rule of law will prevail - it hasn't done much to curb knives and violence so far - and that is bad on bad.

And don't think reasoning will work either - they lost their education to this government too.
Nuclear - the best option.
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:31 am (UTC)
There has been no recent scientific evidence that anthropogenic global warming is worse than previously thought. In fact the only people who have made such a claim are Dr Pachauri, the economist chairman of the IPCC, Dr Chris Field an environmental biologist wrongly described by the BBC as a prominent climatologist and the obviously unhinged Dr James Hansen whose climate model has failed to forecast the current hiatus in global temperatures. Hansen had the affront to describe coal fired power stations as factories of death and the trains that supplied these stations as death trains.

Nevertheless, I agree that nuclear power should be the preferred method of clean power production simply because the supply of fossil fuels is not unlimited. Furthermore, even this government now realises that such options as wind power can only ever supply a very small percentage of our requirements.
Nuclear power - not possible!
[info]bobirving wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
Judging by the massive success in the current building of the nuclear power stations in Finland and France, even if we want nuclear power, we won't get it - at least not until two years after we're promised it and at twice the cost! And do we want nuclear power stations built out of dodgy concrete??
Green bias
[info]forlonehope wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
Which goes to show that self-appointed and self-perpetuating NGO's should be regarded with as much scepticism as all other political parties. There are real experts in the Royal Society and the Engineering Institutions who actually know about these subjects. Journalists seem far too ready to listen to passionate amateurs rather than to qualified professionals. Of course professionals tend to be rather more nuanced in their judgements, which does not make quite such exciting copy.

We should also see some contrition from the green campaigners about their approach to recycling. A serious analysis by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers has shown that the optimum use of waste is in energy generation. This is the norm in environmentally friendly Denmark. It has, of course, been prevented in the UK because of an ideological preference for recycling, which is not supported by any data or quantitative analysis.
Uranium is Far Too Expensive.
[info]redroseandy wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 08:47 am (UTC)
It takes more conventional energy to mine and manufacture uranium than will ever be produced by nuclear power stations. The only reason that Governments back them is so that they can have a ready supply of nuclear war heads. This is disguised with a web of lies so that the general public believe that nuclear power is cheap and safe. Remember Chernobyl!
Re: Uranium is Far Too Expensive.
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:43 pm (UTC)
Rubbish! Produce evidence for your assertion that mining & manufacturing costs more than the energy produced.

You do not need civilain Power Reactors to make warheads. They are neither necessary nor sufficient.

Nuclear power IS safe & cheap. Not one civilain has been killed by a Fission accident with the exception of Chernobyl. If you think that Chernobyl is typical then you misunderstand the situation. It was NOT a civilian design but a scaled-up version of a warship Reactor. It had a negative power coefficient - this could only happen in a dictatorship.
Re: Uranium is Far Too Expensive. - [info]azrudi - Monday, 23 February 2009 at 09:53 pm (UTC) Expand
Nuclear Power
[info]davemcl wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC)
It wasn't the enviromentalists who stopped nuclear power in the UK. It was Mrs. Thatcher. She privatised the CEGB and no privatised company was prepared to take the risk. Plus the CEGB made a complete cock-up of the AGR programme so there was no proven design
Re: Nuclear Power
[info]colinru wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 01:47 pm (UTC)
Mrs Thatcher may well have to take some blame but it was not her who has been blocking Fission Power for the last 20 years. The "Greens" ARE to blame!

The Government has to take responsibilty for Insurance, Waste storage & long-term power pricing to make Nuclear attractive (whether via the CEGB as a Parastatal Company or via guarantees to Private Companies).
Double standards, hypocrisy, insecurity...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
I find it ironic that whilst we are awarding ourselves new nuclear power stations, in the same day we by rote condemn Iran for wanting to do the same...

Nuclear energy however is going to keep us as someone's bitch all the time we suckle on the teat of controlled energy sources, whether we are kept manacled to the Middle East for oil, subservient to the Russians for gas or touching our toes for American Uranium, at least green energies would gives us more freedom.

Failing that, we do have energy sources in copious amounts, waves, solar are two that come to mind, we also have enough pig, cow and human excrement to power many methane burners and if that is not viable, maybe the several hundred years worth of coal that is abundant here in the UK can still be used, certainly I would think looking at going back to coal gas is one option against being railroaded by the Russians.

And a drive also to teach Britons about energy consumption wouldn't go amiss, think on at Christmas and how much is wasted on houses covered from top to bottom in lights, I think these houses should be licenced and taxed as the power wastage is horrendous and thoroughly unnecessary.
Nuclear power? Yes please...
[info]ms33ms wrote:
Monday, 23 February 2009 at 09:58 am (UTC)
Chernobyl Accident

(May 2008)

The Chernobyl accident in 1986 was the result of a flawed reactor design that was operated with inadequately trained personnel and without proper regard for safety.
The resulting steam explosion and fire released at least five percent of the radioactive reactor core into the atmosphere and downwind.
28 people died within four months from radiation or thermal burns, 19 have subsequently died, and there have been around nine deaths from thyroid cancer apparently due to the accident: total 56 fatalities as of 2004.
An authoritative UN report in 2000 concluded that there is no scientific evidence of any significant radiation-related health effects to most people exposed. This was confirmed in a very thorough 2005-06 study.
The April 1986 disaster at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in the Ukraine was the product of a flawed Soviet reactor design coupled with serious mistakes made by the plant operators in the context of a system where training was minimal. It was a direct consequence of Cold War isolation and the resulting lack of any safety culture.

NB: "Chernobyl" is the well-known Russian name for the site; "Chornobyl" is preferred by Ukraine...

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/inf07.html


Re: Nuclear power? Yes please...
[info]blackiceuk wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 08:30 am (UTC)
Keep in mind that newspaper editors and journalists do not have any memory, one should look past the current PR blitz for nuclear energy and go back to pre WWII research where the main scientists involved were still in wonder and hopeful for clean energy from it.

Trick is that they were looking at alpha and beta particles and not the toxic long lasting steam engines we have now. These original designs were more akin to solar cells.

Dig up info on Moray who developed a piece of tech that generated 50,000 Kw and was the size of a small photocopier.

More locally Arthur Adam's amazing rock from Wales which is a key element in such a conversation system.

So to recap we've been sold the shitty poisonous option with toxic waste (which is great for bombs) as opposed to the clean option.

Mark

editor Black Ice Magazine
Re: Nuclear power? Yes please... - [info]johnsmith9833 - Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 03:56 pm (UTC) Expand
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