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Cigarettes and alcohol will take 10 years off your life

40-year survey of 19,000 men reveals benefits of healthy living in middle-age

By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor


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Smoking, high blood pressure and high cholesterol are the three major killers of middle-aged men

Doctors have for the first time quantified the effect of the three major killers of middle-aged men: smoking, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Men who smoke and fail to give up, or to control their blood pressure and cholesterol (where necessary) are sacrificing 10 to 15 years of their lives.

Results from the 40-year Whitehall study, landmark research into 19,000 civil servants begun in the late 1960s, shows that men who reached the age of 50 with all three risk factors lived on average to the age of 73, while those without any of the risks lived till 83. When other risks were included, such as diabetes and obesity, they found the least healthy lived until 70 on average, while the most healthy lived till 85.

Professor Peter Weissberg, medical director at the British Heart Foundation (BHF), which helped fund the research published in the British Medical Journal, said: "This important study puts a figure on the life-limiting effects of smoking, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. It provides a stark illustration of how these risk factors in middle age can reduce life expectancy."

He added: "The good news is that all of us can make changes to help us live a healthy life for longer, even after 50. We know that stopping smoking and reducing blood pressure and cholesterol, by lifestyle changes and/or tablets, can prevent the onset of heart disease – and these findings suggest it could make a decade of difference to our lives."

The finding comes after the Care Quality Commission (CQC) yesterday called for improvements in the treatment of heart disease. One in four GPs are failing to manage cholesterol levels or prescribe appropriately and an estimated 350,000 patients are missing out on the treatment they need, the commission said.

The CQC report called for changes in the way doctors are paid for treating heart disease to encourage them to identify more patients. Currently, GPs get maximum payments when they record acceptable cholesterol levels for 70 per cent of the patients on their register.

The CQC said further payments should be introduced to capture the one in three patients who may not be being seen by their GP once the practice has received its maximum payment under existing rules. It said action was needed to cut inequalities between people living in deprived areas and those in more affluent parts of the country. One reason for the discrepancy is that GPs do not follow "proven practice" consistently.

Researchers analysed the performance of 8,300 GP practices and 152 primary care trusts and found that, while incentivising GPs with specific payments to manage cholesterol levels in their patients was working, there were further improvement to be made.

Too many GPs were prescribing expensive branded statins when equally effective, cheaper non-branded ones were available. The CQC estimated that £62.5m could be saved if GPs mostly switched to prescribing generic statins.

Family doctors were not doing enough to record cases of cardiovascular disease in deprived areas. They were also less likely to prescribe nicotine-replacement products to patients.

CQC chair, Barbara Young, said: "This disease is likely to touch every single one of us at some point in our lives. We have to raise the bar of acceptable performance."

73

Average age of men who smoked, drank and ate poorly.

83

Average age of men without all three risk factors.

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Gee, is that a promise?
[info]violetsmart wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 01:57 am (UTC)
I hope what they claim is true. Better dead 10 years earlier than to be strapped in a wheelchair or bed, obliging others to attend to your every physical need. Ugh! Pass me that drink and let's light up!
Re: Gee, is that a promise?
[info]thelatimes wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:36 am (UTC)
This comment was posted 2 seconds after the article (move your mouse over the date above to see it), so I fail to see how this comment could have been made by anyone other than the author himself...
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Re: Gee, is that a promise? - [info]pinhut - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Gee, is that a promise? - [info]fulkehunke - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 04:03 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Gee, is that a promise? - [info]rain1950 - Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 05:26 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Gee, is that a promise? - [info]baralawr - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC) Expand
red alert,red alert...health police about
[info]borderreiver1 wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:12 am (UTC)
Yes absolutely!
Just common sense really.
I aim to live till I'm at least one hundred and ten-hence my diet of lettuce leaves,filtered water,raw carrots,and the blandest food I can possibly muster,that is devoid of salt,sugar,or saturated fat.Now if only i could get my hands on some breast milk............

No doubt that the last twenty five years of that one hundred and ten will be spent swimming in my own urine,being spoon fed,and looking like a living corpse-while some nursing home collects every penny of that which i saved over a lifetime-yep no inheritance for my kids.

Smoking is madness.
Alcohol should be a small restricted pleasure taken with food.
High blood pressure,and high colesterol should be controlled.
and take some moderate exercise-swimming probably the best.

And most of all try not to get too stressed-put problems in context.because protracted stress causes catastrophe for the body.

And F**k everything else off that these health 'stazi' types tell you to do.
Quality-not quantity of life,three score and ten is about right.
Pensions crisis
[info]forlornehope wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
The sensible, economic, conclusion is to encourage these civil servants to be smoking, boozing, junk food binging, couch potatoes. This will have an excellent effect on the public finances and remove the burden of civil servant pensions from the long suffering tax payers. Go on government employees, drink up!
Which factors?
[info]claphamomnibus wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:21 am (UTC)
This article is confusing factors: it clearly states that the three factors in the study determining longevity are: high blood pressure, smoking, and cholesterol. So why does the article headline mention alcohol? For example, there is already evidence showing that drinking one unit of alcohol a day promotes longevity more than drinking none! Sort facts please!
YOU MEAN TO SAY WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
[info]georgesign wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:21 am (UTC)
I'm really scared now. I didn't know I was going to eventually die.
Re: YOU MEAN TO SAY WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 05:04 am (UTC)
Be afraid very afraid. Yes Virgina there is a "Deaths Door". Gazzillions of Graveyards with people just dieing to get there.
red alert,red alert...health police about
[info]chrisdanes wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:28 am (UTC)
Borderreriver is right. I have long held that there is no point in giving up any pleasurable vice in order to live for another ten years sitting around talking nonsense and smelling of wee in a dreadful Old People's home. Particularly when I can do both so well down the pub.
Excesses reduce longevity
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:36 am (UTC)
It is the excesses that kill you and unfortunately the majority get hooked on alcolhol and cigarettes and cannot restrict their intake of either. It should be emphasised that smoking ruins your looks and makes you smell bad - perhaps that would be more of a deterrant to the young than the thought of clipping 10 years off their lives.
Re: Excesses reduce longevity
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 09:26 am (UTC)
You must also consider that you smell pretty bad when you're sitting in your own urine in the nursing home when you're 80!
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[info]juicybob wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 07:49 am (UTC)
Damn - if that's true God only knows what effect some of the later Oasis singles will have.
some simple and irrefutable scientific facts
[info]thelatimes wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 09:17 am (UTC)
Those who abuse themselves, smoke, drink, take drugs, don't exercise and eat poorly deserve to die, and rightly so. It's the fundamental evolutionary principle called survival of the fittest, and it ensures that the most intelligent people (those who don't do any of the above and who attempt to improve their survivorship rate and pass on their genes) have a higher probability of passing on their genes to future generations, resulting in a superior human race overall. We who are intelligent and rational should be thankful that there are those who are not, for the benefit of our common future as a species. Since animals always attempt to maximize their fitness, seeking out the healthiest food, protecting themselves and striving to pass on their genes, animal evolution always results in a fitter next generation as the less genetically fit and intelligent animals are weeded out. Humans are not as intelligent as they may appear, since they are the only species that deliberately self-harms and jeopardizes its chances of survival through conscious self-injurious actions. It may seem harsh, but to create a better future for ourselves as a species, we must allow those who act against their own interests by choosing to live unhealthily and lead risk-taking lives to pursue their urge to self-terminate unhindered, so that the more intelligent are able to pass on their genes more effectively and create a stronger, healthier, more rational and well-balanced species in the future.
Re: some simple and irrefutable scientific facts
[info]bobbellinhell wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 09:30 am (UTC)
Yes, the pro-suicide types on here are just trying to convince themselves that they aren't addicted to nicotine and alcohol.
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Re: some simple and irrefutable scientific facts - [info]fulkehunke - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 04:57 pm (UTC) Expand
'We who are intelligent and rational'? - [info]sickofstupidity - Monday, 21 September 2009 at 02:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Is that all
[info]dafyddtaylor wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 09:35 am (UTC)
So, smoking takes around five years off your life.

Is that all?

Why all the fuss?

I eating shit, drinking and smoking all at once means you live past 70, I think I should take up drugs!
Good advice, wrong reason.
[info]ravinrob wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:04 am (UTC)
I gave up smoking not because I want another 10 years of old age, thanks all the same, but to enjoy my younger years more.
the true cost of smoking
[info]thelatimes wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:18 am (UTC)
By smoking, you're making a generous weekly donation to some of the world's greediest, largest and most unethical corporations, the Big Tobacco conglomerates. They exploit hundreds of thousands of workers in developing countries, paying starvation wages and waging evil marketing campaigns to ensnare millions of new smokers in developing countries who have no access to healthcare but who become addicted to nicotine, thus forcing their families even deeper into poverty and ill-health.

And those who say "Well, 70 years is enough, I don't want to spend 20 years sitting in a nursing home..." probably aren't aware of how horrible it is to catch lung cancer and die a slow, lingering, excruciatingly painful death which can stretch over one or two years. Those one or two years with lung cancer, in which your body suffocates itself, is like death by drowning but spread over 1 or 2 years. Those two years of hell will seem like a century, as anyone who survived lung cancer could tell you - if it was a survivable disease. So if you start smoking at 20, you can enjoy 50 years of gradually declining health and quality of life, followed by two years of hell with terminal lung cancer - or 1 year, if you're lucky - which will seem like a century of suffering. If you didn't smoke and donated the money you spend each week on cigarettes to good causes, think how much you could improve the world. Is your life so meaningless and empty that you want to end it prematurely, when you could be putting your precious years on this planet to good use by helping others, or at least being there for your family? To those who smoke, you may not see your grandchildren born, let alone grown up, so you'll die a bitter and unfulfilled soul with many regrets, tormented by the indescribable drawn-out agony of lung cancer. You know what you've got to do.
Re: the true cost of smoking
[info]fastguyeddie wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC)
"you're making a generous weekly donation to some of the world's greediest, largest and most unethical corporations, the Big Tobacco conglomerates. They exploit hundreds of thousands of workers in developing countries, paying starvation wages and waging evil marketing campaigns to ensnare millions of new smokers in developing countries who have no access to healthcare but who become addicted to nicotine, thus forcing their families even deeper into poverty and ill-health."

And all done from whilst paying corporation tax into the western treasuries ; yet I've never heard the "I dont want people smoking round me" brigade ever campaign against that - seemingly their wallet comes before their principles.

And unless you are presently dying a slow, lingering, excruciatingly painful death which can stretch over one or two years from lung cancer - you don't either; anymore than you know what it would be like to die a slow lingering death abandoned and isolated in a care home; cared for by strangers who don't give a monkeys and are doing it solely for a job

Well why don't we take the money we pay in duties and do exactly what you suggest; or better still ask everyone who doesn't smoke to kick up the equivalent - Imagine how much that would improve the world? Mind you I doubt we could erradicate self-righteous sanctimonious pillocks
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British GPs have never tested patients for their blood pressure nor cholesterol.
[info]djangovsartana wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)


British GPs have never tested patients for their blood pressure nor cholesterol.
Re: British GPs have never tested patients for their blood pressure nor cholesterol.
[info]drahcir38 wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
By all means post here djangovsartana but please stop talking bollocks!!
Alcohol
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 11:11 am (UTC)
Only the Brits talk about "alcohol". They're not interested in the quality of a drink; only in its alcoholic content. Nobody drinks alcohol. It would kill you if you tried.

Every supermarket in italy sells bottles of pure alcohol. It's used for conserving fruit etc. Nobody would dream of drinking it.

You couldn't do that in the UK where the only thing people can think of to try and escape their emotional self-repression is to get drunk. Which doesn't work anyway.
You may not live till 100, but it will seem like it!
[info]project911 wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC)
One factor missing in this article: mental health!

Consider:

Slim, vegetarian, teetotaler, non-smoker. Cue: Adolf Hitler.

Obese, meat eating, champagne for breakfast, brandy and cigars Cue: Winston Churchill!!

End of argument.

Is my time up?
[info]prof_use wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC)
I quit smoking about 7or 8 years ago. I'd done it before twice but this time I never started again. Still went to the pub. Even kept a half empty pack of cigs in my pocket for the first 6 months or so and always kept my lighter on me and happily lit friends cigarettes. When offered one I just said no thanks. I didn't tell anyone I had stopped smoking for at least 3 weeks. I felt better from day one. I just couldn't bear the thought of stinking of fags any more and the headache in the morning. I bought a piano with the money I was going to spend on cigarettes and calculated the day I would be able to start to buy a pack again. The day passed uneventfully, never felt like buying them ever again. Everyone who stops smoking has a little story and nobody says I really regret not smoking.

I don't cough any more and I am going to have a medical soon. According to the stats having not smoked for so long now my lungs and heart should be in a state no different from a non smoker.

Alcohol is a slightly different matter. I have been having beer or wine almost every day for decades. When I quit smoking I stopped drinking alcohol for a month too. I had tripped over my coat on the stairs and I knew it was because I was drunk. I thought about it and was disgusted with myself and I wanted to see if I was an alcoholic. Maybe I was? I still went down the pub to see my mates. I didn't lose any weight as pints of orange juice and lemonade contain sugar and I actually continued alcohol free for about 4 months and then I decided that I was missing the taste of some lovely British ale and started to enjoy beer on the weekend. I have been the same weight now for about 12 years.

I don't do any form of organised exercise other than walking around town and almost never catching taxis and find that I can outwalk many friends who go to the gym regularly. Several of these friends have put on quite a lot of weight in the last decade. For my height on the BMI I am about half a point short of being considered overweight, I am just in the healthy bracket.

I eat red meat, a bit less than I used to and not enough vegetables but maybe more than twenty years ago.

I just have the feeling my body is at peace with me. I have never had a cholesterol test, have no idea about my blood pressure and so maybe this is my last post. Bye, thanks for reading.

I will be very interested to see what the doctor thinks of my body. I am going to ask him to tell me what he thinks I eat, drink, smoke, exercise without telling him my history. If I am still alive I will post the results. Why this rambling story? Well I think there's a bit of stating the obvious around, a bit of nanny state and I think many Indy readers may do the same as me. I'm not worried, are you?

Anyone think my time's up?
Re: Is my time up?
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC)
Now you need to cut down on the logorrhea.
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Re: Is my time up? - [info]fastguyeddie - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 02:09 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Is my time up? - [info]prof_use - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 04:52 pm (UTC) Expand
73 huh?
[info]victhebrit wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 01:45 pm (UTC)
That gives me another 17 years. Of course if I die before then I'm definitely going sue someone.
Wanting to be healthy
[info]scousekraut wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 02:14 pm (UTC)
Having been involved in the health field for some time I have long realises that most people do not want to be healthy. They say they do but what they really mean is that only if they dont have to do something temselves ie change their lifestyle.

That smoking, alchol, and stress shortens your life is no big news as many surveys have come to the same conclusion. There are peoples on this planet whose lifestyle - fresh air, exercise, low calorie diet, no stress - enables them to live to be on average 110-120 years old, such as The Hunzas. They have no dentists or medical doctors, rarely get ill and die peacefully, remaining fully active. One would think we have something to learn from them. For them retirement is a foreign word.
Re: Wanting to be healthy
[info]fastguyeddie wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 02:44 pm (UTC)
And having looked them up - I wonder how many of us would be willing to give up just about everything we have in this "world" and its pace of change in order to enjoy the longevity of the Hunza; actually since they apparently have no incidence of cancer whatsoever must we also conclude that not one of them has ever smoked? and there is no pollution even though they built a major trade road through the valley?
Or perhaps as I saw on an episode of QI we should all become castrati as apparently they "enjoy" on average 13 more years of life. How far are you prepared to go in the name of longevity?
Re: Wanting to be healthy - [info]fulkehunke - Friday, 18 September 2009 at 05:12 pm (UTC) Expand
Who gives a flying fig?!
[info]albertosi wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 03:47 pm (UTC)
Have you seen the national debt this morning? I figure croaking 10 years sooner might be the only kindness we can still do to this hypocritical nation this late in our day.

For a while there, I thought i mistook you for someone deeply passionate about the well-being of the middle-aged. Heck I expected you to follow up with calls for greater investment to support our pensions while we dribble through our senility?

Anyhow, you can stop pretending now, that you really give a flying fig ... maybe do a motoring piece.
10 years off my life
[info]richard213 wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 04:54 pm (UTC)
Blimey, if I'm going to get 10 years less payback from the NHS and the DHSS can I have a rebate?
"My possessions for a moment of time".
[info]wpaulino wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 05:06 pm (UTC)
It sounds really weird when I read many people here stating they don't care about 10 years longer if they don't have a health life.I have read that important personalities thought different in their last moments even being elderly and moribund people.For instance Queen Elizabeth I's last words would be profoundly poetic. Supposedly, she summed it pretty well when she uttered "All my possessions for a moment of time". Many people say that she never said that. Anyway think about it. How will you deal with the unknown? Many people here think God doesn't exist, Heaven and Hell don't exist. Are you sure? You may have a wonderful or a terrible surprise or no surprise when you cross over the river. So try to make your best by taking care of yourself and your loved ones.At least you will treasure these happy moments in your mind wherever you go.
[info]bobbobbobbfry wrote:
Friday, 18 September 2009 at 05:18 pm (UTC)
I smoke lights, so i guess i will only miss out on 5 or so years.
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 05:31 am (UTC)
bobbobbobbfry
Start drinking and you might get up to 10. If that doesn't work stand on a busy street corner, breath deeply for a few hours every day and you will definitely get your ten.
Health Watchers
[info]suk2 wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 02:17 am (UTC)
Die if you do,die if you don't.
That's it I am a gona start smoking
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Saturday, 19 September 2009 at 05:16 am (UTC)
If I have to live to be a 100 or so plus I am going to start smoking. I am going to drink like a pig.
I am a going to eat cholesterol ridden food until the cows come home.
They say it's a privileged to get old. Who are they trying to kid. My memory is bad now by the time I am a hundred I won't have one at all. I would be one of those zombies propped up in wheel chairs tied in to keep you from falling out and drugged so you can't move. Diaper ridden, wrinkled old prune with drool running down my chin. No sex, no memory, no wondering, no nothing to look forward to except maybe a good game of "BINGO" which I passionately hate.
Yup gonna take up smoking, drinking and eating high Cholesterol foods, for sure.
No way I wanna live to be a pathetic old fart, rotting at some old folks home.
The best argument for leading a healthy lifestyle...
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Monday, 21 September 2009 at 02:34 pm (UTC)
The best argument for leading a healthy lifestyle is that it might not just extend your lifespan by 10-15 years, but by SEVERAL decades, or even CENTURIES, or even INDEFINITELY.

There are many thinkers around today - futurists, physicians, transhumanists, etc. - who believe something along the lines of the following (exact figures vary): Due to continuing progress in gene therapy, organ replacement surgery, artificial/cloned organs, anti-ageing drugs, anti-ageing diets, nanotechnology, biotechnology and the like, we may be on the threshhold of a series of breathtaking medical advances which could potentially extend the human lifespan almost indefinitely, within a few hundred years at most.

In 20 years time, we will have extended the average human lifespan by 30 years.

In 20+30 = 50 years, we will have extended it by 50 years.

In 50+50 = 100 years, we will have extended it by 100 years.

In 100+100 = 200, we will have extended it by 200 years.

In other words, if you can survive for the next 20 years, you could potentially survive for the NEXT 300 YEARS at least (barring fatal accidents, of course). And in 300 years, you could survive for another 600, and so on...

Indeed, there are many thinkers in this field today, such as the gerontologist Aubrey DeGray (Google some of his video talks) and the futirist Ray Kurzweil (ditto) who believe that the first person to live to 2000 years old has ALREADY BEEN BORN!

And if the scientific progress in arresting - and even reversing - the ageing process continues at the same exponential rate at which other technologies - such as computer technology - historical have done, then there may come a point when HUMAN IMMORTALITY becomes scientifically feasible (although there may be social, political and economic aspects to address, of course).

So - perhaps - if you start making healthy lifestyle choices now, and extend your lifespan by another 20 years, youl could potentially live FOREVER (if De Gray and Kurzweil are to be believed).




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