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Warning: Britain faces new recession

Economy set to relapse into dreaded 'double-dip' downturn, say world's central bankers

By Sean O'Grady, Economics Editor

The world's central bankers have warned that the British economy faces relapsing into another recession – the much-feared "double dip" downturn.

A continuing drought in bank lending, evidenced in the latest figures from the Bank of England, and the threat that spiralling public borrowing will feed through to higher interest rates and inflation, are judged by international economists to be mortal dangers to a sustained recovery.

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which comprises the 30 most advanced economies in the world, added to the gloom, saying that Britain remained "deep" in recession and faced a "bleak short-term outlook".

"The recovery is likely to be slow and unemployment is expected to climb significantly," it said, adding that the Treasury could do "considerably more" to fix the public finances.

Both warnings are at odds with recent market optimism and so-called green shoots suggesting that output in the economy may be recovering. But the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), which includes the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank, said it feared that the problems of the world's banks are far from fixed and could easily trigger a so-called "double dip" or "W-shaped" downturn. "A major cause for concern is the limited progress in addressing the underlying problems in the financial sector," it said.

"A significant risk is therefore that the current stimulus will lead only to a temporary pick-up in growth, followed by protracted stagnation."

The BIS cautioned that "governments may not have acted quickly enough to remove problem assets from the balance sheets of key banks". It added that financial products should be treated like medicines and sold to consumers only when they are certified safe, to help prevent a repeat of last year's financial meltdown.

Figures from the Bank of England yesterday confirmed that the banks and building societies remain reluctant to lend to any but the most secure of businesses and home buyers. Mortgage approvals barely improved during May, remaining stuck at a little over 43,000 – some way above the nadir of 27,000 last winter, but under half of their normal level. Analysts at Capital Economics said the figures were "consistent with house prices falling at double-digit annual rates".

Detailed data on changes to the money supply indicated that relatively little of the £100bn pumped into the economy by the Bank of England through its policy of "quantitative easing", akin to "printing money", is finding its way as yet into meaningful lending by the banks to small businesses and first-time buyers.

A small improvement in consumer confidence was registered last month, and there is plenty of evidence of more buyer interest at estate agents and of shoppers continuing to shop. However, for as long as the banking system remains reliant on public funding and unwilling to offer credit, little of this still-fragile optimism will be seen in hard purchases of "big ticket" items such as houses, cars and other goods linked to house purchase, such as electrical appliances and furniture.

Figures to be released by the Office for National Statistics are likely to reveal that the downturn in the UK in the first quarter of the year was even more severe than first thought, though most economists think the worst of the slump is over. A CBI survey published yesterday said more than 95 per cent of banks and building societies expected their bad debts to rise over the next few months. Such write-offs will join the existing "toxic assets" on the banks' balance sheets and make them even less willing to take on riskier lending – the much feared "negative feedback loop".

Most embarrassing for ministers is the OECD's "health check" on important public services. The OECD agreed that, since Labour came to power in 1997, health spending has "surged" but "the returns so far appear modest". Ironically, given official enthusiasm for "league tables", the OECD says the UK's economic future is endangered by the inequality of educational achievement – a factor which has left the UK towards the bottom of the league table of advanced economies for social mobility: "International standardised tests show that the UK lags better performing countries significantly."

However, the OECD supports the shift away from targeting: "The focus on raising the school leaving age and meeting performance targets in education may still be distracting attention from the more important goal of raising core literacy and numeracy achievement." It adds: "Adequate provision of public infrastructure should be a priority, particularly in transport where road and airport congestion, and problems in the rail system impede business and constrain productivity."

Ministers have cancelled this year's Comprehensive Spending Review on the grounds that the economic picture is too uncertain and that, after a general election, "tough choices" may become easier to implement. Still, the OECD said it wanted "explicit" detail on spending cuts and tax rises, adding: "Experience in other countries suggests that a focus on expenditure cuts, rather than revenue raising, is associated with more successful consolidations." At the moment, the OECD claims, the Government is not being "ambitious" enough.

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Start to fix the country - now
[info]greenshoots wrote:
Monday, 29 June 2009 at 11:41 pm (UTC)
Nationalise the banks, or claw back the bailout money and let them fail, then set up the public utility banking that we need.

Prioritise UK workers for all jobs and use the 'secutiry ' provision in EU agreements to cut off EU free movement of labour.

Revise the labour migration provision to prevent companies offloading UK labour to bring in cheap workforce from outside of the EU.

Have EU trade commitments out in the open, including the provision for cheap labour migration into from outside the EU, so we can see and decide if we want these commitments.

Require that all MPs 'intending to stand down' at the next election, who have had to repay money, stand down now, to avoid prosecution. Hold byelections

Hold a UK referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

End bailouts to PFI schemes and take them back into public hands.
Re: Start to fix the country - now
[info]marlinspike2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:47 am (UTC)
Referendum?

Nah, sod it.

I'd rather be in Europe than run the risk of my idiotic voting compatriots voting in another Labour government to ruin my savings thanks.
Re: Start to fix the country - now - [info]redwaz - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 09:26 pm (UTC) Expand
But in a Press Statement Peter Mandelson, Lord Scrote Of Foy said:
[info]reiksares wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 12:02 am (UTC)
"No, it's all lies, what would those bankers know about Economics, eh?? Listen to me - I might not have a clue about business, or the economy, and I've only been fired from the Govt twice for fiddles (*before* they became fashionable!) but I know what's what. Ignore what those bankers are saying, they know nothing, NOTHING I tell you! Eeek, what's that? A bowl of custard?? Not again!"
Re: But in a Press Statement Peter Mandelson, Lord Scrote Of Foy said:
[info]pete_s wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 06:52 am (UTC)

Sir, I think you have been duped by an impostor. Lord Mandelson would never have said such things. The person who gave you this quote is clearly suffering form a compulsive truth disorder and so cannot ever be confused with the real Mandelson.
Who's doing the certifying ?
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 12:12 am (UTC)

"and sold to consumers only when they are certified safe"

So the OxBridge grads who came up with CDOs and related products either
didn't know or didn't care whether they were safe.

The banks they worked for either didn't know or didn't care whether this
stuff might expose them (and therefore us) to a systemic risk.

The companies that were performing the risk-assessment on these
CDOs either didn't know or didn't care what the real underlying risk
was as long as they were paid.

And the underwriters (who now appear not to have or to have had the
funds to actually perform that function) didn't care either.

With all these players, intricately involved in the complex dance that
is modern finance, appearing clueless exactly what hope do we have
of a couple of guys in suits from the BoE or the FSA actually certifying
the next peabrain idea safe?

My money is going to be worthless. This is because of inflation. This
is because of the fiat dolllar and the lack of a link to anything of any
intrinsic value. Fix the Fed. Fix inflation. Stop giving us this crap about
tweaking the financial system. Please !

Fix the country - further
[info]greenshoots wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 12:55 am (UTC)
End the selling of migration through:

- marriage migration
- supposed 'skills shortage' of 'ethnic chefs'with no qualification required
- student visas for dodgy colleges
- the provision for international students to work here for 2 years if they do study and graduate - because that means forever

There is no point in a housing program:

- while migration continues expanding through these quasi legal means (today's housing shift will not affect this)

- while the construction jobs are all going to EU workers, so there is no job creation in it - when the work is done, these workers will then qualify for welfare payments here, too.
[info]mykleboon wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 01:36 am (UTC)
"financial products should be treated like medicines and sold to consumers only when they are certified as safe"

. . which is, of course, exactly what the Ratings Agencies were supposed to do! The trouble is that they got it wrong. Does this remind anyone of Thalidomide?

It is time that we grew up! When we were young, we probably had faith that Mummy, Daddy, Nurse, Nanny, Teacher or whoever knew best. This seems to have left many people with the strange idea that there are people in Whitehall, the universities, or wherever, who would get things right. The all seeing, all knowing regulator does not, and can not, exist!
No one can be surprised, it's a "W", at best
[info]bryanmcgrath wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 02:20 am (UTC)
Shock horror the recession isn't going to be a "V" shaped recession, with the "green shoots" already visible. Only estate agents (and associated trades), car dealers (and associated trades) were trying to sell this line. Opps! nearly forgot to mention desperate Labour politicians, trying to convince a justifiably sceptical public that the recession is all the fault of those naughty Americans.

Yes I fell for the "decoupling" argument that the BRIC economies would not be dragged down along with the developed economies. However, I suspect they are starting to recover from their "de-stocking" recession, in the classical "V" recession pattern. The developed economies are entering into a period of stagflation (quantitative easing will produce inflation) due to the continuing banking crisis.
Warning: Britain faces new recession
[info]cathinscotland wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 02:34 am (UTC)
I am the first to admit that I know absolutely nothing about economics, but as a normal, average person, am I right in thinking that really, we don't want the banks to be lending at their previous rates? The banks were lending to people like me, unemployed, on benefits for years (as I was looking after my terminally ill husband up until his death), throwing thousands of pounds at me, increasing my credit card limit without me asking for it etc. I could go on and on. Okay, so I was stupid to take it and try to cheer my poor husband up, as now I am considering going bankrupt as I will only have the prospect of working for a minimum wage for the rest of my life, even with new college qualifications. At 51 years of age, that's the reality.
The point is, why are you guys comparing the figures from 'this time last year' when they were pie in the sky nonsense? If the banks are only lending to those who can pay it back, then long may it continue! Your 'double dip' I welcome with open arms, as just maybe, the jobs created will be long lasting and with the best companies, due to the weaker ones falling by the wayside leaving the strong to survive. Is that not a better way forward than a return to the 'good old days' which were our downfall in the first place? We need to get real in this country and it's about time it started now!
Re: Warning: Britain faces new recession
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC)
If you want to get real, start planting fruit trees and a vegetable garden immediately because 'the ship is going under' whatever any of the talking heads might say.

There can be no economic recovery if the energy supply is declining -and it is, end of story. It's called The Long Emergency, The slide down Hubbert's Peak, The Party Over, the depression that never ends ..... all a result of the squandering of the oil supply on trivial pursuits over recent decades. Witha declininh oil supply the world economy will slowly grind to a halt. Prepare or perish. The government certainly will not help you.
^^^^^^^^^Cougar Circle^^^^^^^^
[info]happybabe1987 wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 02:50 am (UTC)
OH, WONDERFUL!
There are many beautiful mature women and men chatting on that community^^^^^^^^^Cougar Circle^^^^^^^^which designed to help ethnically diverse singles meet new friends and make dates. u will have a more lovely baby not long after....
Lies,Lies and interminable lies, vote BNP and get the truth.
[info]nuzenight wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 03:40 am (UTC)
Sod off, it's the same recession without the f*****g lies, get real.
Has anyone told...
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 04:01 am (UTC)
The greedy little piggies at the POW?
This Capitalist System
[info]rhinocircus wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
This Dick Turpin style capitalism, if not severely regulated, is certain to recur, as those in the banking and finance businesses protect themselves from the future chaos and misery they will again produce.

A strong pre-requisite must be to nationalise all banks and any "profits" made by them to go into the exchequer. This will remove the "casino" mentality of the self-appointed gurus, who have so stupendously failed.

Currencies, like blood in a healthy body, must circulate freely, without clotting, or contamination by toxins--it needs close scrutiny and 24/7 attention. Interesting that, the word "toxic" was used by those in the know, to describe deals which could infect/destroy the financial system.

We have been misled yet again, into believing that the "greenshoots" are appearing--now the OECD say that, the UK needs to get a comprehensive grip on its educational standards, its society and its public spending, to even compete with the rest of the world.

It seems the UK may be in the pawnbrokers for a long time, before being finally purchased by the US.
Re: This Capitalist System
[info]ajlennon wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:06 pm (UTC)

The US own us now and has owned us since WWII, or why else did we go into Iraq?

Weapons of Mass Destruction was never the case, Regime change is something we've done in the past but never for the good of the changees. We're simply not powerful enough to coerce the resource rich countries of the Middle East to hand over the goods into our hands (again), but the American State values UK PLC enough in a propaganda campaign against it's own people to give us a chunk of the contractual pie available if we pitch in... Cue massive transfer of monies from public hands to private companies profiteering from the war on terror... Cue torture and death in the Middle East leading to Islamic extremism against the west... Cue all the stuff your intelligence people said would happen Mr. Blair...

Who owns us? Well it certainly isn't the good people of this country.

How the Pope accepted Tony Blair into the Catholic faith amazes me.

(OK perhaps I left the point slightly up there but demographics, resource starvation, peak oil, fiat currency, inflation and fiscal crises - it's all hooked up together driving us into the next dark age)
[info]dumbganda wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 05:43 am (UTC)
That is the danger. Having spend all the money, all you achieve is a blip. What then do you do for an encore? Perhaps Vince Cable should have been more transparent with his great economics before acting as Gordon Brown's cheerleader in nationalising the failed banks toxic debts. Perhaps the Independent should have been a little more transparent in their continued support of nationalisation which created a new, highly toxic public sector, the failed banks.
As opposed to.....?
[info]robertclondon wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:46 am (UTC)
Letting the banks crash and causing the whole financial system to collapse, which is what the Tories would have done. That would have really sorted the whole thing out pretty tidily, wouldn't it?
wouldn't it ? - [info]cronyblatcher - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC) Expand
Re: As opposed to.....? - [info]marlinspike2009 - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:49 am (UTC) Expand
Re: As opposed to.....? - [info]marlinspike2009 - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:50 am (UTC) Expand
The OECD
[info]quietzapple wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 06:46 am (UTC)
happily, has had a way of being wrong in its predictions for the UK.
Re: The OECD
[info]rickraider wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:29 am (UTC)
Are you talking about the odious Darling now who is incapable of getting a forecast right? His fantasy figures bear no relation to reality and if I were unkind would call them out and out lies. Brown like a crazed gambler has gone "ALL-IN" on Jack High (with our money of course), the ultimate sick joke on the British people.
[info]democraticact wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:10 am (UTC)
As always it will be the poor who suffer. This failure has come from a profiteering greed that a properly working democracy would not have endorsed ! Our commercially corrupt political parties won't take the action that is needed to make society more decent. The great modern social challenge - which the Scandinavians are trying to address - is in a high wage high output economy with full employment. We all benefit from the spending of others, and we know for certain now, that that money must be earned or borrowed with serviceable loans. It is a matter, not just of morality but of enlightened self interest, that we make an inclusive and egalitarian society. We are in a hole of our own making that we have been digging for the last 30 years. But you can start to climb out of it; go to: democraticbritain.org.uk
It's designed this way, stupid...
[info]toolan wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:44 am (UTC)
“Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes its laws.”
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty

There you have it, in a nutshell.

Last one out, turn the lights off - oops, I'd forgotten that government
policy will ensure that there aren't any lights on anyway...

Toolan
Re: It's designed this way, stupid... - [info]marlinspike2009 - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC) Expand
Re: It's designed this way, stupid... - [info]toolan - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 03:27 pm (UTC) Expand
I love Brown and Yellow too,fast on Monday , no milk in tray on Sunday, pop corns on Thursday
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
What do you expect from the celebrities coming too UK when the economy sinks so low, prices of fish high as we have to fast on Monday , no milk in tray on Sunday, pop corns on Thursday , Ramadan Fasting in the month to save the tunas and whales(Wales too with Scots) . We are a dying dynasty I tell all
A "severely emaciated" Michael Jackson weighed just over 8 stone (51kg) and was disfigured and virtually bald after years of physical abuse, according to leaked results from an official autopsy.
I love Brown and Yellow too, vomit BROKE WE ARE BROKE I SAY FIX NO FIX WITH HASHISH POPPEYY WE DIE DEATH TO FOREIGHNERS DEATH TUBE AND TRAINS SUNDAY CLOSED schools jails broke ......Am i okay?/
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
Re: I love Brown and Yellow too,fast on Monday , no milk in tray on Sunday, pop corns on Thursday
[info]tonydh wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
Keep taking the medication Firozali, there's a good boy!
Boll.x! Yoiu first heard it hrere as a prediction that what snouts were crowing about is
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
what's known in several trades as a 'dead cat bounce' or noise on a downtrend line. It is completely characterisitic of the misinformatiomal propensities of mass meeja in a pseudo-democracy to 'discover'(as though it was not entirely predictable by the average secondary school maths student) now, allegedly from quack 'experts' that there is to be a "double dip depression". It's in the same misinformational league as Iraqi WMDs. Joe and Mary Bloggs new it was a blo.dy lie but 'inetelligence', legalising law industry cerebral prostitutes, and snouts didn't!
Fix UK
[info]bignobodaddy wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:53 am (UTC)
The only difference between Brown and Madoff is justice. In the later case justice has been served.
Re: Fix UK
[info]pete_s wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 08:32 am (UTC)

Madoff got 150 years for 50billion fiddle, so Brown should get about 20,000 years for his mistakes.
Re: Fix UK - [info]marlinspike2009 - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Fix UK - [info]ajlennon - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:11 pm (UTC) Expand
Simple life beats recession blues
[info]humble_sparrow wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 09:19 am (UTC)
Lead a simpler life within one's needs, respect the environment, stop asking for more, be content with what one has, stop being so greedy and dispense with that envy in all of us, be nicer to people ...........

Then one can cope with any recession :-)
Re: Simple life beats recession blues
[info]redwaz wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 09:37 pm (UTC)
Nice
[info]eddieiscool wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC)
Three main points here: 1) Economic migrants have helped the British economy remain productive for the last 10-15 years. Without them, no one would do all those stinking jobs which British people think are beneath them. 2) The greedy bankers are really the ones to blame in all of this, and the greedy people who keep borrowing money to prop up their ridiculous spending habits. Ask yourselves this: do the REALLY need all that stuff? (Ans: No). 3) If you think David Cameron is going to make this situation any better when he has no realistic policies other than "cut public spending," then you are all living in cloud cuckoo land. What this country does not need is hospital and school closures; unemployment benefits and tax credits cut from those who need them the most *(about 2 million people at the last count and more being added every day); and the complete collapse of the banking system. Wake up England!
Bonkers
[info]nigel_watson wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)
The government's solution to our debt crisis appears to be a mixture of money printing and yet more debt. The extra cash 'created' being used to:

1. Re-capitalise banks, enabling the banks to increase mortgage lending (re-inflating the house price bubble) and to offer households more consumer credit which they will blow on imports (supporting our fake 'retail' economy)

2. Fund a bloated public sector composed of bureaucrats and target setters. Who cares if these public sector employees produce anything!
Re: Bonkers
[info]indpenden_mind wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 03:35 pm (UTC)
So long as they vote Labour, right?
"Labour" - [info]cronyblatcher - Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:01 pm (UTC) Expand
Pete S
[info]chipmem1 wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 10:59 am (UTC)
Thanks for the joke, I think a trillion works out at around
3000 years for Mr Brown, but it could be american money.

I'll let you do the maths.
Obama on the crash course to unfriendliness.I see...
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 11:15 am (UTC)
Fiscal responsibility is a key New Labour principle, and it will remain firm, but ...
I know this. Tell me where I can find the biggest tree to hang the chicken and the politicians. They caused this.
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
WHEN IS IT DUE I WANT 2 TICKETS PLS ? DVD? TAPE?
[info]famulla wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 11:39 am (UTC)
Warning: Britain faces new recession
I DO NOT beleive this We had many we won we did it so we can we have to if we want UK? Who wants UK?
WE all DO
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla
Britain - the real structural problems
[info]alexweir1949 wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 12:35 pm (UTC)
Britain - the real structural problems

The problem seems to be that Britain over the last 50 years has moved from an economy which produces real goods to one which produces almost nothing except hot air. Scottish oil to some extent created this problem and allowed the economy to function pretty well despite the underlying weaknesses. Now that oil is gone and that financial sectors globally no longer generate lots of cash (but very little value), there is a serious problem. And the real jobs have been exported to China. Dont blame the foreigners - have a look at what the economists, financiers, and politicians have been doing or not doing. Britain is not unique in having these problems, but the extent to which we have them is greater than most - if not all - other countries. Labour, Conservatives, UKIP, BNP, EU or no EU - the problems are the same and would be the same.

The answer? Not sure - but determining what the problem and problems are is the first stage to searching for viable answers and feasible strategies to counter depression, depair, poverty and misery in the UK.

Mr Alex Weir (Scottish-born and UK Passport Holder),
Gaborone and Harare, Africa

Double dip!
[info]outspain wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 01:32 pm (UTC)
Prioritise UK workers? I was surprised to see yesterday in La Vanguardia (newspaper for Catalonia, Spain) an advert, in English, for dentists to work for the UK NHS dental service. It made it sound like a fantastic opportunity, too bad that so many of the dentists trained at the UK's expense do not return anything to the country that trained them. Obviously they prefer making money and leaving their fellow countrymen's teeth to rot. Perhaps when no one can afford their fees due to the credit crunch they will have an attack of patriotism, then, when the green shoots finally blossom we will all have healthy smiles to celebrate it.
and
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 at 07:04 pm (UTC)
enforce a minimum of two years national service as a means of repaying society for the professional qualification

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