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It's academic: university women are beating men at almost everything

There are more of them studying, they are less likely to drop out, and they will probably end up with a better degree – but less money

By Richard Garner, Education Editor

Women outnumber men at every university bar Oxbridge and are more likely to get a good degree, but are drawn to the less well paid professions

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Women outnumber men at every university bar Oxbridge and are more likely to get a good degree, but are drawn to the less well paid professions

Women outperform men in almost every single aspect of higher education, according to research published today.

The number of women at university began to exceed the number of men for the first time 16 years ago.

However, for years there were still academics claiming that men had "more where it mattered", ie at elite Russell Group universities – the group which represents 20 of the UK's leading research institutions including Oxford and Cambridge.

One study published in 2005, Class Rifts Eclipsed by Sex Divide, said: "Many women are studying in lower-status universities... the university continues to be a space where class privilege is maintained and women's participation is limited to the bottom of a hierarchical continuum."

Now a new study by the Higher Education Policy Institute (HEPI), the independent university think-tank, debunks that finding as a myth.

It finds that not only do women outnumber men overall at university, they also outnumber them at every type of university. They are also more likely to get a good degree pass (a 2:1 or a first) and are less likely to drop out.

For good measure, the Government's attempts to widen university participation among disadvantaged groups also appear to have struck more of a chord with women than men. There are more girls who were entitled to free meals at school going on to higher education than boys.

In virtually every ethnic group, too, including Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities, where religion or culture may have led to some families downplaying the importance of education to women, more women than men go to university.

Figures cited by HEPI show 49.2 per cent of women now opt for higher education – compared with only 37.2 per cent of men.

Women are further ahead in representation at post-1992 universities (the former polytechnics) – 23.8 per cent of women attend one, compared with 18 per cent of men.

However, the report goes on to find that eight per cent of women attending a Russell Group university compared with 6.5 per cent of men. At older established universities women generally outnumber men – 11.3 per cent of them enrolling compared with 8.6 per cent of men. Only at Oxford and Cambridge is there any equality of representation – 0.7 per cent of each sex attend Oxbridge.

When it comes to degree passes, 63.9 per cent of women graduates obtain a "good" degree (first or upper second) compared with 59.9 per cent of men. The percentage of women obtaining a first (13 per cent) is lower than that of men (13. 9per cent), but because their overall numbers are so much greater, this still means that more women than men are now leaving university with a first.

The report also shows that women outnumber men on most courses – including law and medicine courses – which ultimately lead to high paid employment. Only in technology, physical science, architecture, maths, computer sciences, and engineering are women outnumbered by men.

Despite this, women are still likely to earn a lower wage than men on leaving university. One of the reasons the report cites for this is their greater number on courses leading to jobs in teaching or the creative arts.

Women were more altruistic and valued their job environment more, the report found. They were less career driven or financially motivated.

Researchers asked whether the growing gender gap mattered, and cited evidence from the Government to the Commons select committee monitoring education which stated: "We are increasingly concerned about male participation."

However, it added that while recognising "sex inequality is clearly an issue" it did not want its remarks to imply a policy to reduce the number of women enrolling for higher education courses.

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Opportunity, expectation and aspiration
[info]sjkillman wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 04:39 am (UTC)
I gained a First Class Honours degree followed by an MBA, then PGCE in my early 30's whilst bringing up a family. It was a combination of hard work, innate ability and a husband who believed in me. Prior to that my parents sent my brother to private school and the prevailing belief was that boys' education was more important. It is only in the last 20 years that girls' education has been given more status in society and the opportunities for them to have careers through good child care have enabled them to make the most of it.
Giving Allha, God, Jesus, Rama, They do not ask for this back
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 07:19 am (UTC)
Mr Cook's is one of a series of controversial claims made by MPs.
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The revelations come as a new ICM opinion poll for The Sunday Telegraph shows that for the first time in 20 years, Labour has polled lower than the Liberal Democrats. That is not true I object to these polls and branches
Voters were asked who they would vote for in a general election. Indians
Indians, sirs.
Labour have slumped to third place in a poll for the first time in 20 years - as it emerged one MP tried to claim back a £5 church donation on expenses.
I take the Gays as men, I do not mind Lesbians, and I mean they have the pleasure of theirs. However, the small tiny amount paid because you had the coins tearing your trousers and you want to be rid off, donated to the Church in Sunday 17.09.06. £5 contribution to offertory on behalf of Frank Cook MP." Asking for these coins, Man alive are you human. Sir?
Once you give to Jesus whether this because of, ?Oh Lord, if I get the parliamentary seat, I will give the church some donations.? You get then you forget God? How will you remember men?
Vote for this man.
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I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla

We need the change.
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 07:35 am (UTC)
Less than two years ago, Claudia Schiffer declared that the age of the supermodel was over. Magazine covers and beauty contracts had become the province of celebrities. The industry's newest generation had not quite attained the international, first-name basis fame that Naomi, Cindy, and Christy had pioneered.
We need the change.
For over thirteen years, multinational oil giant Royal Dutch Shell has done everything in its power to stop a trial from taking place at which the company must answer to charges that it colluded with the Nigerian military to commit serious human rights abuses to quell peaceful resistance to its operations in the Niger Delta region called Ogoni, including conspiring to bring about the conviction and execution of Ogoni leader Ken Saro-Wiwa and eight of his colleagues.
On Tuesday, there was a last-minute announcement that the trial is postponed with no new date given but it is expected to commence soon, and the plaintiffs -- Ogoni villagers and family members of people who were killed -- will finally have their day in court.
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
"sex inequality is clearly an issue"
[info]james888 wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 10:01 am (UTC)
As a university lecturer it is clear to me that women are under-represented on many of the programmes that lead to high paid work and over represented on the ones that do not.

Go into any university in the country and you will see that students taking courses in computing, science and maths subjects are predominantly male, often 90% male. This causes the subsequent inequality in salaries.

What next? Legislation to prevent employers paying computer scientists more than the average wage?

Come on.
Re: "sex inequality is clearly an issue"
[info]vgnwtch wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 11:03 am (UTC)
That doesn't explain women with equal qualifications and experience routinely earning less than their male peers doing the same jobs in the same industries.

It is a good point, though, that girls are still generally expected to go for arts and humanities and social service rather than maths and sciences, and that boys are generally expected to steer clear of subjects associated with the "feminine", and, by association, weakness, social inferiority, and even leading to accusations of being gay. Weird but true: schoolkids pass my window every afternoon, and I have often heard boys talking about how some kid at school must be gay because he prefers arts to sciences or sport. Kids tend to police their ideas of gender identity and orientations very tightly.
Re: "sex inequality is clearly an issue"
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Friday, 5 June 2009 at 10:04 am (UTC)
I did Maths and computer science! I'd say there was a fair mix in maths, not so much in computer science though!

There is a difference still between the salaries of equally capable males and females which is not explained by the balance of gender on courses.
Being a girl is playing life on easy mode.
[info]ronery9000 wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)

Being a girl is playing life on easy mode.


Also see how the suicide rates are higher for men than women in almost every single country in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Life is more difficult for males.
Re: Being a girl is playing life on easy mode.
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 10:20 pm (UTC)
I'd agree with that, its a lot harder for a male to find a female who doesn't mind them sitting at home watching Eastenders all day....
Re: Being a girl is playing life on easy mode.
[info]parodyofvirtue wrote:
Monday, 1 June 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's so easy with so many men like you believing I'm incapable.
Re: Being a girl is playing life on easy mode.
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Monday, 1 June 2009 at 05:07 pm (UTC)
No I don't believe you're incapable. I'd love my wife to have the career she has worked so hard for (with much academic achievement including two masters degrees and other postgraduate qualifications) but she is happier staying at home and having me pay all the bills. So you think I should make her get a job?
When I suggested I would also take some time off between contracts I was told I would be thrown out in the morning and not let back in until I came back with a job, or words to that effect. It doesn't work both ways.
Now let's talk about the actual problem
[info]forthurst wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC)
"Only in technology, physical science, architecture, maths, computer sciences, and engineering are women outnumbered by men."

The more the universities and schools focus on the Humanities to the detriment of those subjects which are actualyl important to the economy and at which men just happen to be better, the more breast-beating there will be about this topic by people who have low abstract reasoning ability (non-verbal I.Q.s) and therefore can't see what the actual problem is.

Science teaching is difficult, expensive, offers little opportunity for Cultural Marxist brainwashing but is nevertheless the sine qua no of a successful economy and has been ever since the Industrial Revolution. This country will not be successful again when every last nitwit has a degree at least in Applied Marxist Theory in the study of the Illusion of Racial Identity.

Boys are being let down badly by being offered nothing but girlie subjects and badly taught maths and hard science and the decision to use funding to force universities to deprecate science and engineering in favour of cheaper and less useful subjects is disgraceful. The preponderance of cheap useless ersatz science courses is also a matter of concern.
men are action oriented
[info]trevormann wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
men are genetically programmed to want to do action oriented things like hunt, build, construct and attack. the modern academic curriculum is not very action oriented and careers like engineering in the UK are in decline. women are genetically programmed to do things like flower arranging, washing dishes and gossiping about nonsense. these activities are rampant in the education system which explain why females do well in academia.
What jobs? What careers? What money?
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 02:52 pm (UTC)
Surely you are NOT studying for a life of poverty - right?

Maybe, you are.

link. http://tinyurl.com/n48rz4
More women than men achieving in higher education
[info]4thfloordweller wrote:
Sunday, 31 May 2009 at 09:30 pm (UTC)
Is it not possible that women, multi-tasking at the hearth, with the babies and in the kitchen, have also multi-tasked with literacy and numeracy skills in a majority of households. This is just a gut reaction from someone who has lived in working class households where women have been respected and relied upon to perform all of the administrative skills - paying bills, writing letters etc.

w2omen beating men
[info]noalot wrote:
Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
It's strange how women are so clever yet never seem to win many Nobel prizes? Men are always being 'putdown' yet 99.9% of all inventions in the world have been conceived by men.Have anyone ever come across a building that has been erected by an all female crew,or an all female shipyard etc. I don't see many female run garages,or anything that is seen to be 'male'being overtaken by women.And while we are on this subject why do most men not read books written by women?
Re: w2omen beating men
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Friday, 5 June 2009 at 10:08 am (UTC)
And you're the exception, right?

I was not aware that the word 'women' had a 2 in it.

Dim people crack me up
Let's speculate
[info]lefalcon wrote:
Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at 11:33 am (UTC)
Women beating men? This means that men may have a case for some kind of compensation for abuse, either against women, because it is they who are doing the beating, or against society because it sets the parameters of the game and determines its rules. Let's start at the beginning. Girls, because of their domestic instincts, are naturally conditioned, and programmed by the society, to appease, whereas boys, because of their natural warrior instinct, are conditioned to fight or to initiate action. In the past girls were refused education on a large scale and so these fundamental differences were not as manifested in the education system, as they are today. In an education system that to a large extent stifles originality and initiative, and encourages absorption and regurgitation, women, with their ability to 'suffer in silence' and their conditioned need to please others, would obviously do better. However such qualities may not always be beneficial in the job market were a certain amount of initiative may be needed. While in many instances women are paid less than men for doing the same job, I don't think that that is the entire story.

The real question is whether boys should be forced to conform to the education system that is biased against them, or should the education system be modified to take 'masculine' qualities into account. I guess this hinges on whether in one's opinion masculine qualities are as virtuous as 'feminine' qualities. Some believe that the predominance of feminine qualities will eventually create a better and more peaceful world. However one only has to visit a work environment where the staff is predominantly female, for this theory to be seriously challenged. As the situation exits today, masculine qualities, regardless of whether they are beneficial for, or damaging to, society, are being downplayed, at the expense of female virtues such a conformity, co-operation, and co-existence (whether harmonious or otherwise). Until efforts are consciously made to offset this imbalance, a very large percentage of boys will continue to 'fall through the cracks'. However because society needs initiative and the kind of creativity that comes with original thinking, a few men will still dominate things from the top. Thus society is evolving in a way that reflects the predators in the animal kingdom.
Re: Let's speculate
[info]old_green wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 11:11 pm (UTC)
It appears your thesis is: Society is rewarding conformity and compliance, punishing independence.

I could agree with that, but isn't this true in organisations as much as in education?

So why are women failing to get rewarded with higher salaries?

Re: Let's speculate
[info]lefalcon wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 11:39 pm (UTC)
This seems to be a universal problem as it is the same in many other parts of the world. Perhaps the male dominated management elite are not taking the contributions made by women seriously enough. Perhaps women are perceived as being passive, and therfore are more easily exploited.
women in hard science
[info]jindai85 wrote:
Friday, 5 June 2009 at 02:18 pm (UTC)
Here's an interesting observation for you! I did a Chemistry degree at a Russell Group university. On the 4 year harder degree in my year, there were about twice as many men as women. About 20% of those men got 1st class degrees, 100% of the women got 1st class degrees. Of all those women, only 1 did not go on to do a PhD. Only 3 of the men did go on to do a PhD. Looking at the ratio of male to female Chemistry PhD students at my university, I'd say the women outnumber the men by a substantial amount. Howevefr, there are far more male academics in the Chemistry Department at my university than women. Reason? Post-Docs, though being reasonably well-paid, are incredibly insecure. You can usually only secure a year's contract. Most post-docs usually move around the country or indeed even the world every couple of years. I am horrified at the thought of basing my career around one year contracts, hence most women with a post-graduate qualification in science going into industry.

It's interesting how men seem to blame the education system for the shortcomings of our young boys. What if the girls are outshining our boys because they are generally more intelligent and it is only in modern times that girls have the right to an equal education to boys? Just some food for thought :-)
University fees, and return on investment
[info]old_green wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC)
University fees have been justified on the basis that the student receives a financial benefit from their degree.

What this article points out that the amount of financial benefit a person receives depends upon who they are.

Women receive less financial return. Probably, if the research was done, we would probably find that children of deprived families would receive less financial return / lower salaries, because they are less well-equiped to launch themselves into high-earning careers, and have fewer connections.

Another set of facts undermining the case for university fees.

Creative Arts
[info]st4rdog wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 12:41 pm (UTC)
All I can say is that in the Creative Arts I've seen plenty of women of limited ability pass with flying colours, and too many men with huge talents miss out. It's a mix of the guys being uninterested in the essay side of things and more of them having ADHD/dyslexia. It seems if you can write essays and throw colour on everything you'll pass Art regardless of how much actual artisitc talent you have.

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